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can, call our hot line and we can dispatch a real alligator trapper. >> wow. >> did you notice his friends didn't really help him out much? >> exactly. he's got a trash can. he doesn't need our help. >> they're just like color commentating on the side. >> i would be there for you when you trap an alligator. >> thanks, john. >> "new day" continues now. a very good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is thursday, september 30th. it is a critical day for congressional democrats and for the white house. both on the verge of a potentially humiliating self-inflicted defeat. the pressure is on, speaker nancy pelosi, after her decision to move ahead with the vote today on the president's bipartisan infrastructure plan. pelosi not sounding overly optimistic when asked about her strategy by our manu raju. >> reporter: are you worried you may not have the votes? >> one hour at a time.

>> progressives have promised to vote against the infrastructure bill, a bill they support, unless they get some assurance on support for the other parts of the president's domestic agenda, child tax credits, pre-k, paid leave. so far there are no such assurances from two democratic senators, one of them is senator joe manchin. >> is it possible, like -- >> no, it is not possible. >> joining me now is the secretary of energy and a member of president biden's jobs cabinet, jennifer granholm. thank you so much for being with us. senator joe manchin put out a statement overnight where he commented on the build back better agenda from president biden, with more specifics than we heard from before. and i want you to respond to a few different points from senator manchin. he says, quote, i can't support $3.5 trillion more in spending when we already spent $5.4

trillion since last march. at some point all of us regardless of party must ask the simple question how much is enough? your response? >> yeah, first of all, of course the funding that was spent over the past year was in response to an emergency which was the pandemic. and now the economy is starting to recover and we have to look at the future. so the build back better agenda is over the next ten years. and these are investments that 17 nobel prize winners say that economists say that will put our country on the path to succeed in the future. addressing the middle class issues that other countries have addressed, for example, help with child care for the middle class, that we simply have not. so these are long-term investments. obviously joe manchin is concerned about making sure we don't have too much spending without pay force, but the good news is the president -- his

agenda is fully paid for and those are the discussions that are happening right now. >> manchin also writes, what i made clear to the president and democratic leaders is spending trillions more on new and expanded government programs when we can't even pay for the essential social programs like social security and medicare is the definition of fiscal insanity. your response? >> yeah, that's the whole point is that, for example, there were 50 corporations who made $40 billion in profit last year, who didn't pay one dime in taxes. tax fairness requires that we all pay our fair share. and senator manchin, i think, is very much in favor of reshaping the tax codes, that it is fair that we address those loopholes and inequities. so that is a discussion that is happening right now. but the president, too, wants to make sure that it is fully paid for. and that's one of the features of the build back better agenda that has huge support among the

population. >> so -- >> in every poll. >> manchin also writes, i cannot and will not support trillions in spending or an all or nothing approach that ignores the brutal fiscal reality our nation faces. >> same answer. it's fully paid for. the president agrees. we don't want to rack up debt and deficits. that's why this is fully paid for in a way that does not raise taxes on people earning less than $400,000 a year. it is just a question of which of the many paid for options that i think both senator manchin, sinema and the rest of the democrats in the house and the senate are in favor of. >> so what is manchin's problem then, if that's your answer to all the specific concerns? >> well, i mean, he's concerned, i think, about the top line, the full amount, and so that's certainly -- the president said it is all up for negotiation. there are pieces in the

reconciliation bill, the second part of the build back better agenda he has some issues with and that's part of the negotiation that has to occur that is not fully baked yet. that's part of what i think is holding up the vote on the infrastructure bill today. >> what more could senator manchin do to be helpful other than write this, you know, response with that criticism? >> yeah, i think, you know, senator manchin and his team are in right now negotiating the contours, particularly of the climate provisions, he obviously comes from a state where 90% of the energy comes from coal, he doesn't want to damage his state, nor does anybody else, so how do we do the contours of a climate proposal that allows for a just transition for his workers and allows for west virginia who powered this country for the past 100 years,

to be able to power this country for the next 100 years, but using clean energy. those are the conversations that are happening right now. >> has he told you specifically what he wants? >> we had lots of conversations. >> will there be a vote in the house today as far as you know on the infrastructure, the bipartisan infrastructure plan? >> yeah, i mean, you heard what nancy pelosi said to manu raju, you played it. i think it is hour by hour. these are live negotiations that are happening right now. but i will say, john, that it is not some major cataclysm if there isn't a vote today, there is full support of the president's full build back better agenda. there is some negotiation around the margins about the size of the package, the second package, and what's in it and how that's shaped, but this will get

through. i will mark my words, the infrastructure bill will be passed, and a version of the reconciliation bill will be as well. >> not some major cataclysm if it doesn't happen today. sounds like as far as you're concerned there is some whiiggl room on the timing here. >> for sure there is. there is a sense of urgency because, of course, the -- we want to be able to address these issues for the middle class, for the infrastructure of our nation, for the climate, for the planet. if it happens today, or if it happens in a couple of weeks, you know, i like to quote ted lasso, you know, we all have memories of a goldfish. whatever it ends up being, that's what will be remembered. families will remember they got help with their child care, help with their elder care, prescription drug costs were lowered. they're not going to remember whether this was voted on in the last week of september or the first week of october. >> i love ted lasso too. but a reminder, afc richmond

doesn't win a lot of games. secretary, i do want to ask you this -- >> that's true. >> if the infrastructure bill does come up for a vote today, is the administration asking that these progressives vote for it? >> obviously the administration has negotiated this infrastructure bill and they want to see it happen. but they are also extremely respectful of the speaker and of what is happening in the senate. so i'm going to let those conversations happen behind the scenes, but obviously the president and everybody wants to see this infrastructure bill passed. question about whether it is today or in a week or so, that's another issue. >> a week, is that the timing now? >> well, no, i'm just -- that's me throwing out a time. it is not -- i'm not making news. two weeks, three weeks, i don't know. but not today, then it will happen, it is just a question of

what the negotiations on the reconciliation bill look like. >> to be clear, you're always allowed to make news here. we appreciate you coming on. secr secretary jennifer granholm, thank you. >> the goldfish is the happiest animal because it has a ten-second memory, right? >> absolutely. absolutely. look, i'm all about belief. when you coach ted lasso, afc richmond was relegated. so it doesn't always work the way you want it to. >> voters might have a longer memory than ten seconds. that's what some of the senators are banking on. let's talk about this more now with our chief political analyst gloria borger. timing here, because she said if, if there is a vote today. a few times. and talking about maybe this is in two weeks, three weeks. >> it was supposed to be the day of reckoning, except it looks like it is probably not going to be the day of reckoning. jennifer granholm was -- tried to be obtuse about that. but she really was pretty clear.

>> she was. >> she was sort of, like, well, maybe, maybe when we, you know, down the road or -- so it seems to me that nancy pelosi, when she said hour by hour, meant hour by hour, and she is not going to bring something to the floor that isn't going to pass and the progressives are not budging, and joe manchin is not budgin kirsten cinema is in the budging and they're trying to figure out how to do this and get out of each other's way, which is exactly what they're doing. >> the point she's making is it is going to happen, so when it happens it doesn't really matter. when you're looking at passing huge legislation like this, you want a bird in the hand, not a bird in the bush. what is the president's role here? >> that's a good question. the president has been -- he's a former senator, brings in everybody, wants to listen to everybody, everybody says he's a

good listener but he doesn't give away much. at a certain point a president has to lead and a president has so to say okay. these are the things i promised the american people and we have to figure out a way to do some of it, maybe not all of it, and maybe 2 trillion and not $3.5 trillion and here are my priorities right now. and i want us all to kind of figure this out because we sink or swim together. and everybody needs to know that and i think they understand that. i was talking to a democratic political strategist who said failure is irrational for the democrats right now. they have to figure out a way to get to yes or they self-destruct. and they hurt the biden presidency. so they're going to have to figure it out. it might not be today, it might not be tomorrow. the good news is they'll probably figure out a way to keep the government running, which is no small feat. but they got to do it. >> i wanted to ask you, actually, about something totally different. monica lewinsky, she was on

david axelrod's podcast, the ax files, and she was talking about how she was not only suicidal during the clinton investigation, but how she told the independent council or at least intimated she was. let's listen. >> i just couldn't see a way out. and i thought that maybe that was the solution. and had even asked, you know, this is an interesting point of i had asked the oic lawyers about what happens if i die? and as -- >> oh, my goodness. >> yeah. as more of an adult now i think back how is there not a protocol, like, that's a point where you're supposed to bring a psychologist in, or, you know, something -- how is that not a breaking point? >> you covered the lewinsky scandal. >> just to hear that breaks my heart. i think back in those days i

remember i worked for a news magazine then and, you know, talking to people at the white house, who were whispering, oh, you know, she stalks him, we couldn't get her out of his office, and all kinds of stuff about monica lewinsky. and there wasn't enough outrage about it, myself included. we were outraged about bill clinton and what he did as we should have been, but the sympathy for monica lewinsky should have been much greater and much more understanding of what she was going through at that time. and looking back with the benefit of how we have all grown over the last decades, i feel like she was left out there. she was left to hang out there. she had a lawyer who was a grandstander and he appeared on all five sunday shows at one time and that was a big deal and then she had her parents, but she had been betrayed by a friend, this woman linda tripp, she had been betrayed, and she

was absorbing all of that as a young woman, being the butt of late night jokes and, i mean, can you imagine handling all that and then telling that to the independent council and nobody is saying, we need to get you some help, dear, you need some help. and i think, you know, she's -- she's been amazing about talking about this. and i think that is a good thing for everyone. and she, you know, she is quite remarkable right now being able to sort of unburden herself about what she went through at that time. and how the american public at that time kind of blamed her a lot. >> i will say the hindsight is painful. >> yeah. for all of us. >> i really appreciate you talking about it. gloria borger, thank you. with all eyes today on senate moderates, what will they do, what will they go for, what do they want, one group that helped elect kyrsten sinema in

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as the search for brian laundrie continues, we're learning new details about the days before he vanished. a family attorney says the laundrie purchased a new cell phone on september 4th, but then he left that new phone at home when he disappeared. that was september 14th, according to his family. we also learned that the fbi has now obtained surveillance video from a campsite where brian laundrie went with his parents after returning from his cross country road trip without his fiancee gabby petito. let's talk about all this with les stroud of the series "survivorman." les, first off to you, what does it tell you about this phone? he had it for ten days, he left it, he went out and bought this with his mother. >> that's an interesting question. i think in the situation we have to remember something, i think he's 23 years old, we're dealing with someone who is essentially quite young. and so it is a world of technology.

and i think also what you get in a lot of situations like this, believe it or not, is a matter of cliche, we live by cliche as we get questions based on cliches and think in cliches. this is a young kid thinking in the cliches of the world he's grown up in, playing a little bit of the jason borne situation. i think. and changing technology. but, again, i'm not -- i want to state too, i'm not a law enforcement agency or officer, i work with them, but, yeah. >> so talk to us about this survival aspect of this. we do know that he went camping. and we do know that the parents directed law enforcement to this carlton reserve. but we don't know where brian laundrie is. what questions does this raise for you? >> well, the biggest issue here will always be time and distance. and the things that work in his favor work against law enforcement's. so time and distance is, if you will, the biggest energy suck going on here. these are the questions that are going through the fbi's mind, they're trying to take a look at

the stories that they're getting from the parents. now what they want to do is validate the stories, even though they may seem, seem like they -- the information is meant to aid the son. they want to validate that or dispute that. but that leads them down into a road where they're looking for electronic bread crumbs and what laundrie has in his favor is going to be the time and the distance in this situation. >> how essential would it be in your experience just knowing what people need to get by for so long, how essential would it be for him to have some assistance from people that he knows? >> that's a very interesting question. and that's one that's been on my mind. it depends, you have to go back to the beginning of this and ask the question is was it premeditated or was it simply an act of rage? how essential? nonessential, really, to answer your question. not that essential. if it was premeditated, he may have stations set up where he can get resupplies.

but i doubt that's the situation. he's a 23-year-old kid, if you will. that is a young man on the run, scared, very, very scared, and in a situation like this, people ask the question, is he hunting for food, is he, you know, out in the wilderness -- what is really happening in that situation, if he is simply a scared kid on the run, he's probably looking for cabins and cottages and places he can break into. and then he can resupply with food, resupply with clothing, and any kind of shelter, something like that to stay on the run. >> it will be interesting, those are things that would also give an opportunity to maybe realize he had been there, right? we'll have to see what law enforcement maybe comes upon. les, i want to thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. thank you. the nba putting a full court press on its unvaccinated players. no play, no pay. we'll talk about the fallout next.

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vaccine mandates in cities like san francisco and new york, they will not be paid for the games that they miss. joining me now is a proudly and publicly vaccinated player for the boston celtics, ennis cantor. great to see you. how do you feel about this decision not to pay players for games they miss because they're not vaccinated? >> thanks for having me on, brother. i think i would just say the nba won't pay you and if you don't play. what do you expect? it is a state law to be vaccinated while indoors. and the nba and the players have to follow these rules. you know, majority of the nba players, over 90% are vaccinated. and they are 100% fine. and i feel like if you don't follow the rules, sports like nba could be canceled again or we will have to force -- go to

nba bubble one more time and i know no players want that. nba invests lots of money and time and help and you look at the players, they listen to the doctors about everything. surgeries, diets, and, you know, injuries. but when it comes to vaccination, they -- >> you say it is 90% or so vaccination rate among nba players. you wish it were 100%? >> i wish. but i think we are getting there. more and more nba players are getting educated and doing more research every day. and we are actually holding meetings in a locker room about it. and i think, you know, just -- i feel like we should be led by examples because we have a huge following. and there are so many people out there that are idolizing us. we have to be community leaders and just go out there and say, listen, vaccination is a must and i feel like many nba players use their platform to be big

example. >> well, that's interesting that you say that because lebron james who did say he got vaccinated, also said he's not going to use his platform to tell others because he feels it is a personal choice. what do you feel about that? >> i would say this, everyone has a choice to make. but in this pandemic, our c choices can hurt others. getting vaccinated is not just saving yourself, but saving others around you. so because we are playing a team sport, right, and, you know, there are so many players out there who are living with their grandpas and grandmas and their families, so you need to think about not just yourself, but other teammates and their parents too. i feel like it is important to use this platform to be a good example. >> so you play in the low post. you got guys all over you. sweating on you, breathing on you, spitting on you. how do you feel about the fact that some of those players may not be vaccinated? >> that's what -- that's actually we're talking about it

in the locker room. i was, like, listen, we are not playing -- it is a contact sport and 48 minutes and nonvaccinated player will be sweating and, you know, just breathing all over me all game. so i don't know -- and i don't think the players were vaccinated will be comfortable to go against those guys. but i feel like they should do something about that. >> what are some of the reasons that people give you for not being vaccinated? >> i mean, i respect people's decisions, you know. i talk to many of them and they just want to see that, hey, they just want to wait a little bit and see what's going to happen to those people who are vaccinated, and sad part is, you know, some nba players talk and i ask them what is the reason you're not getting vaccinated. some of the reasons they give you is just mind blowing and they were just saying that

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as democrats see unity over two key bills, all eyes are on joe manchin of west virginia and kyrsten sinema of arizona. there is added pressure for sinema in her home state, because a group that helped get her elected has launched a campaign to raise money for a potential 2024 primary

challenger to her. joining me now is one of the organizers of this campaign, karina ruiz, she helped register us thousands of voters ahead of sinema's 2018 election. thank you for joining us this morning. you volunteered for her campaign, knocking on doors, registering voters and obviously you did that because you wanted her to be elected. how do you feel about kirsten sinema now? >> disappointed. wise frustrating we're not getting the support she said she would give immigrants. we have said that and in the filibuster reform, in the filibuster, it is one of the ways to get immigration reform done. and get a pathway to citizenship for people and daca recipients. my dad passed away because of covid waiting on an immigration reform. every day we lose people on both sides of the border. she knows our pain.

she organized the marches in 2010. i walked with my son who is now a voter, ten years later, who is going to be voting for someone in 2024 that represents immigrants like myself and we need a better presentation. >> you came as a teen to the u.s., a daca recipient and the senate parliamentarian denied a bid to put a pathway to citizenship into the much larger bill yesterday, which i know is a disappointment for you. that's one of the issues you have with senator sinema among others, but you're part of this group that is raising money to launch a primary clehallenge to the senator if she doesn't get behind getting rid of the filibuster. do you have in mind someone to challenge her? >> the politics in arizona are very tough. we didn't want to wait to see if we had like this candidate. we want to send a message to her that we're being serious, that we will sake a better

presentation and we're willing to send a message that we're serious and we're going to put our money where our mouth is, so we launched this to say, hey, you have this opportunity to do the right thing and it is a pledge. that won't go away unless she doesn't deliver for the people. >> you raised about $26,000 in the course of a day. >> that's correct. >> when you look at her position in these negotiations over this $3.5 trillion bill, do you, someone who, you know, supported her election, do you know where she stand on this bill? >> what i have heard is she doesn't support it. and to me it's disappointing, frustrating because the biden administration is trying to deliver. we see the house passing all these bills and then they get stuck in the senate and she's part of that problem and that

conversation. she is talking about bipartisanship, when we hear mitch mcconnell saying they're going to stop anything that the biden administration wants to move forward. from climate change to border rights, to child tax credit, we see it in this bill. it is helping the climate crisis. so it is not just one item, and one topic, as immigrants we have different identities and i care for the planet that i'm going to leave for my children, and, like, i want to be one day a citizen and be able to participate in the process. and in arizona, the legislature has made it harder for us to participate in the boarding process as a minority. it is hard for me to participate in the process if we don't take action right now to protect voter rights. this is why it is so important for our senator sinema to understand and listen, that the people who elected her have the best solutions to this problems. and she shouldn't be listening

to corporations. we see -- it was -- to me, it was so disappointing to see that she was receiving money from corporations and meeting with this small businesses, while she doesn't meet with people that walk in 110 degrees weather to get her elected. >> karina ruiz, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. south dakota governor kristi noem accused of pressuring a state official for a family favor. how is the governor's office responding here? ♪i got it, you got it♪ ♪i want it, you want it♪ ♪when i want it, you've got it♪ ♪when you want it, i got it, i got it, yeah♪ ♪when they want it♪ ♪we got it, yeah♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> reporter: she certainly is, which is why there has been so much attention to the story, john. it is not just the attorney general. cnn learned a south dakota legislative committee will be investigating what happened as south dakota governor kristi noem fights off allegations that she abused her power by using her office to help her daughter obtain a real estate appraiser license. here's what we know. governor noem's daughter cassidy peter was applying for the license in 2020, we know that on july 27th of 2020, governor noem called a meeting in her office with employees of the agency in charge of that certification. we did speak to the former executive director of south dakota's appraiser certification program at that time who confirmed that her boss texted her the night before asking her to show up at this meeting. she did not say what actually took place in the meeting, but she did confirm that both governor noem and her daughter cassidy were in attendance.

shortly there after, november of 2020, cassidy peters obtained her certification. and separately the woman that we spoke to who was in charge of that program was forced into early retirement. there are a lot of questions about what happened, what was discussed there, why was governor noem's daughter who is not an elected official, who does not hold public office, why was she present at that meeting? governor kristi noem did not address the allegations that she abused her power, instead claiming the media was attacking her. she tweeted this on monday, listen, i get it, i signed up for the job, but now the media is trying to destroy my children. she also claimed there was a double standard in the media. but now on wednesday evening she again took to her official twitter page writing, i never asked for special treatment for k cassidy, others went through the same process cassidy. here are the facts, i heard for years how difficult it is to become an appraiser in south

dakota, making it more difficult for south dakotaens to purchase a home. i've been working for years to fix that process and i signed legislation into that effect this past session. a lot of unanswered questions here. both the attorney general and a state senate committee will be investigating this matter. >> the sequencing there is what is raising so many questions. lucy kafanov, appreciate, it, thank you. a classly trained chef lost her eyesight. meet a woman who turned her blindness into a way to help others gain independence in the kitchen. >> okay, pull my knife out. i'm putting my knife at the top of the cutting board. my name is regina mitchell. i am a chef who happens to be blind. i teach blind individuals how to cook amazing foods for themselves. i graduated top of my class. i was able to study under other master chefs, globally. thank you. my right eye was giving me a little pain. the pain grew worse.

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after contentious court hearing, a los angeles judge suspended britney spears' father, jamie spears, as the conservator of her nearly $60 million estate and career. for 13 year he controlled every aspect of spears' life in a way that britney described as abusive. accusations from a documentary that her father placed secret recording devices in his daughter's bedroom. listen. >> it really reminded me of

somebody that was in prison. and security was put in a position to be the prison guards essentially. the reason for monitoring was looking for bad influence, looking for potential, you know, illegal activity that might happen. but they would also monitor conversations with her friends, with her mom, with her lawyer sam ingham. her own phone, her own private conversations were used so often to control her. i know for a fact that jamie would confront britney and say, hey, why did you text this person? >> joining me now is mary robertson, the executive producer of that documentary, "controlling britney spears" by "the new york times" presents on netflix and hulu. thanks for being with us.

your reaction to this huge news in this saga. >> it is huge news as you say. britney spears has been asking since nearly the inception of the conservatorship to have her father jamie spears removed as conservator. but it was only yesterday that we saw this be effectuated. >> do you think any of this would have happened if not for the somewhat organic groundswell of support from fans she saw and also documentaries and people like you exposing what was going on? >> well, all credit, first, goes to britney spears and after that i would say to her supporters and her attorney mathew rosengart who moved aggressively to have jamie removed as britney's conservator. mathew rosengart did cite my colleagues liz day and samantha starks, he cited their findings in his court filing over the weekend and yesterday in court he referred to alex who you saw in the clip as a hero whistle-blower. >> the conservatorship has been suspended, not eliminated, and that was at the request of

britney spears and her legal team. one of the reasons for that is that they want to go through the documents. they want things to be investigated. where do you think that might lead? >> it is hard to say. we shall see. i think we need to stay tuned and see what mathew rosengart unearths. >> what questions would you like to see answered? >> i think there are many questions, certainly surrounding the finances of the conservatorship. and i imagine that we will learn more about that in coming weeks and months. >> what do you think she does now? >> that's a great question. britney spears spoke very passionately in june about her desire to have her father jamie spears in jail. she also has spoken throughout the years about her desire to regain control and agency and to achieve some measure of privacy. perhaps she's now positioned to achieve those things. >> in terms of her father, is that something you feel like she is passionate about and will aggressively pursue? >> again, in june, she did -- she spoke very clearly, she made strong declarations she would

like to see her father in jail. >> and do you think there are larger lessons about conservatorships here? >> absolutely. certainly. you know, i think this is an area of our legal system that has received scant scrutiny, perhaps until now. and deserves more attention. >> what about this surprises you most? >> you know, britney has been asking for the action that occurred yesterday for nearly 13 years. so to see it finally effectuated is surprising to some extent. >> the level of control, though, just in the documentary, and, again, we have seen the clips so many times, but you hear it again, it is just stunning. the allegations of just deeply intrusive behavior. >> it was an intense surveillance apparat usapparatu. >> one chapter is over. we'll see what happens next. we thank you for joining us and appreciate the work you've done so far. thank you.

>> thank you, john. before we go, the white house says that by tonight there will either be a dramatic soaring -- well, let me back up here for a second. all right. they say -- they're talking about the infrastructure deal, whether minority there will be a deal or a vote in congress on the bipartisan infrastructure plan and they say by tonight there will either be an aaron sorkin narrative or laugh riot joke. >> well, this is why we all came to washington. it is like an episode of a tv show. >> which tv show? >> maybe the west wing if something good happens, maybe veep if not. i'm not sure. >> it is a big day on capitol hill. and i asked energy secretary jennifer granholm today about the possible infrastructure vote, the timing which of is still in flux and she quoted the show ted lasso. listen. >> it happens in a couple of weeks, you know, as i like to quote ted lasso, you know, we

all have memories of a goldfish. whatever it ends up being, it will -- that's what will be remembered. >> i'm sorry. >> you know what the happiest animal on earth is? it is a goldfish. you know why? >> no. >> got a ten-second memory. be a goldfish, sam. yeah? >> be a goldfish. i need to be a goldfish today. >> right. the happiest animal on earth, because they're basically living in a state of being lobotomized, right? >> i guess what jennifer granholm was saying, once this saul is all over, we'll forget about the process that went into making it, like the goldfish would forget that all, but i don't know. >> yeah, because they got to get this done. right? she's talking about two to three weeks here. i love the ted lasso quote. i will say that.

we love ted lasso here at "new day." they got to get this done and she's saying two to three weeks, you know, putting it off could mean peril. >> we'll see if goldfish are good negotiators. cnn's coverage continues right now. good morning to you at the top of the hour. i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto. the countdown is on. we are 15 hours away from a potential government shutdown, but it does appear there is a plan in place to avoid it. moments from now, debate begins on capitol hill to do so. senators set to vote on a stopgap bill that would keep the government funded. that bill, we should note, is likely to pass, that hands over to the house where it is also expected to pass before the midnight deadline. that's important. as the clock ticks, the fate, however, biden's larger domestic agenda remains in limbo. the democratic controlled house remains divided with moderates