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reportedly were fighting in their van. let's go "outfront." . i'm erin burnett. "outfront," nancy pelosi's hail mary. the house speaker said to be furiously working the phones, twisting arms, trying to whip up support for biden's bipartisan infrastructure plan. a vote on that plan, according to pelosi, is still on for tonight. the big question is, does she have the votes? sources tell cnn pelosi is changing some "no" votes to "yes" in these final hours, a testament to her power as speaker. it is still leaving pelosi with a historic decision -- pull the vote or bring it to the floor and likely watch it fail. fail, if it does fail, it will be because members of the president's own party voted against it. against the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill. can't say it enough, a
bipartisan infrastructure bill. progressives have vowed to tore p tore peat dough the bill because they don't have a bill that would touch on everything. you can see it. maternity leave, climate crisis, child tax credits, $556 billion costs over a couple of years. it as bill that will remake the role of government in american life. the price tag is a no-go for moderates in the senate. senator joe manchin revealing publicly the most he wants that bill to cost is $1.5 trillion. that's $2 trillion less than where progressives are right now. >> i've never been a liberal in any way, shape or the form. i'm willing to come from zero to 1.5. >> okay, progressives had originally had $6.5 trillion, so they consider this a compromise. now he says 1.5 or take a hike, and they are seating.
seething. >> this is absolutely absurd. it is unconscionable that he can stand, puffed up, and hold the line on something that hurts people now. and to say that, i'll toss you some crumbs right now, and hopefully you can say you ate, it's not good enough and i won't stand for it. >> my number is 3.5, our number is 3.5. somebody has a different offer, they can put it on the table. you don't negotiate against yourself. >> so right there was the progressive caucus chairwoman permilla joya poll saying she had not been informed of marcin's $1.5 trillion number. but it's more complicated because senate majority leader chuck schumer has known about manchin's $1.5 trillion demand since july 28th. in what's called a quote agreement first reported by "politico," manchin states, top line, $1.5 trillion. it goes on to say, senator manchin does not guarantee he will vote for the final reconciliation legislation if it exceeds the conditions outlined
in this agreement. you see the signatures, joe manchin iii, charles schumer. schumer's office said today he never agreed to the conditions, but the letter, of course, is signed by him. it was signed by him, so obviously he knew manchin would only support $1.5 trillion. so did the progressive democrats. if they just listened. maybe they weren't listening, maybe they just did not want to hear. the reality is manchin has come out and said this $1.5 trillion ceiling publicly. he said to it dana bash on "state of the union" on september 12th. >> how do you know that it's not 3.5? >> 1, 1.5, we don't know where it's going to be. >> you think ballpark 1, 1.5? >> it's not going to be 3.5, i assure you. >> you said 1.5? >> i've looked at numbers. if we have a competitive tax code from a noncompetitive -- it doesn't help the working person that was done in 2017, that's in the 1, 1.5 range, okay?
>> 1, 1.5. look, such a legislative crisis tonight. it is inflicted by democrats on democrats. self-inflicted agony. and manna raju was "outfront" on capitol hill. it is incredible to be in this situation, right, where we don't know, nancy pelosi has never brought a bill to the floor before that's failed, and still here at 7:05 eastern time, it's an unknown what will happen. you know, what do you think? >> it's unclear. behind the scenes, what is going on is an effort to try to get a deal between some of the key constituencies here. the white house, democratic leaders, joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, as well as to get sign-up from folks on the left, senator bernie sanders, get them to agree to a potential framework of what that larger bill, that larger expansion of social safety net, would look like. health care, education, the climate change issue. and what that overall price tag
would be. now they have been so far apart on this issue for weeks and weeks and weeks, it's hard to see how that could ultimately come together tonight. but the belief among the top democrats who are trying to get this vote through the house tonight is if they can get some sort of agreement on paper for these key members, perhaps that could be enough to assuage those progressives, the ones who are referring to tank the infrastructure bill tonight because they believe this larger bill needs to go through first. that is the key point here. the progressives have said that larger bill, the social safety net expansion, needs to pass congress first before they will agree to vote yes on the infrastructure plan. so the question is, will any change their mind? clearly it is not going to pass first before tonight. at moment, nancy pelosi is still moving aggressively behind the scenes to try to get her caucus in line, try to get some sort of agreement. and ultimately, nothing's going to happen before 9:00 p.m. tonight when the house comes back into session.
at that point we'll see if they can get a deal. if not, they'll have to punt it and raise even more questions about whether this can get done. >> manu, thank you. let's go to the white house. phil mattingly, what are they thinking? this is an incredible moment that president biden obviously did not think would happen. and here we are where, if the president's own bipartisan bill fails, it will be because his own party voted it down. >> yeah, erin, the white house reps i've spoken to are keenly aware of the dynamics and the very high hurdle they're facing. they made clear no matter what happens tonight or tomorrow, negotiations will continue, they just don't have the option of giving up at this point in time. however, what we have seen, and manu alluded to it, a very urgent, real behind-the-scenes effort from president biden's top policy and legislative aff affairs officials to try to get to some agreement. the president at speaker pelosi's request, once she made clear she was going to make a very real push, the president dispatched his top policy deep
to capitol hill to try and see with pelosi and senator schumer's top aides, whether or not they could figure some way to thread the needle. it's a level of urgency, these officials have always been involved in talks, but it's very acute at this moment given how aware everybody is of the dynamics. there is some sense if they can put something together, some kind of framework, get sign-off from people to unlock this and move forward -- it seems long odds at this point in time, but the effort is real, urgency is real, and it's clear that the white house understands what pelosi is doing and understands they need to play a very important, very integral role as she pushes forward tonight. >> phil, thank you very much. now let's go to democratic congressman john yarmouth, chair of the house budget committee. his committee has passed its initial version of the $3.5 trillion spending bill. chairman, i appreciate your time. moderate democratic congressman josh gottheimer was on cnn, you may not have seen what he had to
say. what he said was, quote, he's 1,000% certain that the bipartisan infrastructure bill will pass the house tonight. are you? >> nope, yaetds i agree with josh. i think it's pretty much a long shot to pass it tonight. if it comes for a vote, i'll vote for it. i think it's a good piece of legislation, and i'd take every piece of legislation individually, and i will support it. even though i'm a progressive and i'm strongly committed to making sure that the "build bacteria better" act is enacted into law. so we'll see. i have plenty of kentucky bourbon around, so i can support myself for the evening. but, you know, this deadline tonight -- i know everybody wants to make this a dramatic threshold. but it really doesn't mean much. we have plenty of time to do body of these bills. we could pass them next week. we could pass them in november.
we could pass them in december. we could pass them in january. the conventional wisdom is the longer you go the more difficult it gets. but i think one of the things that we have made a mistake at is we've kind of lost the narrative focusing on dollar amounts, instead of exactly what the initiatives in these programs would mean for the american people. >> yes. >> we need to do a better job of that. >> all right. well, and i hear you on that, first of all. secondly, i think it's important to emphasize that you say you would be a yes because you look at everything individually. i would say there's some in your caucus who are categorical that they don't see it this way, and i know that's why you're not sure it will pass. but here's the thing. your committee did recently pass -- your own version, i don't want to make it about the numbers, but some in your caucus are. the chairman said, i said 3.5 trillion, that's what it is, i'm not going to negotiate against
myself. but joe manchin is making it clear, 1 to 1.5, that's it. is that -- knowing he's saying that, are you okay with that? >> well -- what i'm okay with is taking advantage of the opportunity we have to do something incredibly important for the american people. and we're not going to have this opportunity very often. so the number itself is meaningless. i mean, i read joe manchin's statement, i've listened to him. he has no understanding of how the federal government monetary system works. when he compared it yesterday to his household income that has no relevance to what we can do. it's not a question of what we can afford. the federal government can afford anything that it feels it needs to do, and right now that's what we ought to be focused on. so that's kind of the position i
took in the budget committee. that's the position i will take going forward. the shame is that we have an opposition party, the republican party, who doesn't think the federal government has any obligation to do anything about providing child care, early childhood education, paid family and medical leave, any of the things that are in the "build back better" act. if they're not going to recognize these are national responsibilities, then we have to act alone and it puts us in this very, very convoluted process called reconciliation that has basically opened itself up to all this brinksmanship. >> so a couple of other things i want to ask you. first, chuck schumer. obviously the "politico" team, the document that shows july 28th, senator schumer signed off on senator manchin's parameters of a $1.5 trillion spending bill. they both signed it, manchin signed it, schumer signed it.
needs-based testing, means testing, for example, for the child tax credit, it lists no additional handouts or transfer payments, and it does raise the corporate tax rate up to 25%. i guess the question i have is that schumer said he never agreed to the conditions, but his signature is there, okay? he didn't not read it and sign it. >> i don't know -- >> how do you feel about this? this is july 28th. >> first of all, i don't think chuck schumer can sign away policy for 48, 49 other members of the democratic caucus and the senate. i suspect all he thought he was signing was acknowledging that this is what joe manchin's position was. but again, he can't bind 95% of the democrats in the senate to that position. and so to me, that's kind of one of these documents that is meaningless.
>> just one final thing i've got to ask you. you said the federal government can do whatever it wants to do. i mean, it can so long as people are willing to lend the united states money at low rates. okay, and you will be right that they have done that a lot longer than a lot of people have thought they would do. but it does raise the question. putting aside a taxation question, looking at the taxes you have in this bill, on your own number, the committee for responsible federal budget looking at the ways and means committee's numbers on the $3.5 trillion bill, they say you're going to borrow $1.4 trillion. they also say that the real cost of the bill, since things like the child tax credit are not going to go away, they're going to become permanent -- that's your goal, i know -- would be $5.5 trillion. that's $3.4 trillion you're borrowing. that is a lot of money. are you really comfortable with that? >> $3.4 trillion over 10 years. we're going to spend twice as much during that time on defense. if you take the entire -- add up all of the things we're
proposing to do, it would be essentially about 5% more than we will spend otherwise. we're going to spend $61 trillion over the next 10 years. so to add another $3.4 trillion, $3.5 trillion, i think is pretty inconsequential when you consider all the benefits to the american people. and these are benefits that will last for decades. >> right. no, i hear you, it's an interesting conversation. i'd love to continue talking about it. because i hear what you're saying, i also hear there's a little 3 here, a little 3 there, pretty soon you're talking about real money. >> talking about real money, yep. >> i appreciate your time, chairman, thank you so much. >> you bet, my pleasure. next, from california to new york to private sector companies like united, undeniable evidence that vaccine mandates are working. breaking news, new body cam video of an officer talking to gabby petito during a traffic stop just weeks before she was reported missing. >> we want to know the truth, if he actually hit you. where did he hit you?
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workers and others. "the new york times" reports that one california hospital saw a 97% compliance rate with as many as 800 workers getting their shot due to a mandate. new york state's governor saying 92% of the state's nursing homeworkers have received at least one shot. 92%. that number was 71% just over a month ago. then came the mandate. the only major u.s. airline with a mandate, united, says 99.5% of its employees have complied. "outfront," dr. scott gottlieb, former fda commissioner and author of "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." dr. gottlieb, sure, some people have been fired for not complying. i understand that. but these numbers, they're factual, these are the numbers. the mandates have increased vaccinations. they just simply have. so do you think we should see more of them?
>> look, there's no question they're working to increase the vaccination rates. first of all, we should take a step back and look at what we've achieved. 78% of adults have had at least one dose, most will complete the series. that's a remarkable achievement for a vaccine that's been largely voluntary. if we were dealing with one of the variants, the wuhan variants, b.1.1.7, if we had 78% vaccinated that probably would be enough to provide a wall of immunity. the only reason we need to reach higher from a public health standpoint is we're dealing with a delta variant, a far more contagious variant. i think the federal government is well within their prerogative to mandate vaccination among the federal workforce. that's an issue of federal readiness. i think we should be mandating vaccination among other groups like the elderly. i think we should try and work with medicare programs to try to get medicare providers and health plans, to get higher vaccination rates in the older population. that's where we can make a real difference. i think mandating vaccine among
health care workers also makes a lot of sense because it's a function of protecting the people that they're caring forry i think where this gets touchy when is you mandate vaccinations for private businesses down to the level of 100 employees. you're going to get resistance, lawsuits, and turn this into more of a political issue, and there's public health consequences for that that we need to weigh carefully. >> you think employee number counts? i'm not asking for a hard and fast numbers but the mass employers, whether united, target, walmart, the d.o.e. in new york, but small business, no? >> that's right, a lot of larger employers are going to fall within the federal mandate. not just the federal workforce but people who contract with the federal government. that's going to scope in a lot of businesses. i think they did that because they felt they had more authority to impose mandates on businesses through that rather than going through the labor department regulations and mandating down to small businesses through that mechanism. so i think that they're going to
capture a lot of people that way. this is going to get more political when you start to impose it on smaller businesses. you know, the bottom line is that the decision to get vaccinated, as much as we talk about it as an individual choirks it's also a collective choice. our decision to get vaccinated protects our community. if we're not vaccinated, we can bring the virus into a work setting, into a school. so there is a collective element to this. but to the extent there is a collective element, i think the best place for the decision-making is at the local level. leaving it to businesses, leaving it to local communities are. we know not everyone is making the decision to require vaccination. that's why the federal government stepped in. but if we could use incentives rather than mandates to try to get more businesses to implement mandated at a local level, that could really help. >> to get to the numbers you need to get at, all in, you're going to need more people vaccinated more broadly. those are people who currently can't get vaccinated, people 12 and under. a new poll from the kaiser family foundation shows only
about one-third of parents who have children aged 5 to 11 say they'll vaccinate their kid as soon as it's available. one-third. 56% are wait and see, or definitely won't. the data show it's safe, but this is again, even if it gets approval, it's going to be an eua at first. and generally, we are talking about the lowest risk group. we are talking about children. so where do you fall on this, dr. gottlieb? do you think it should be mandated for children as soon as it's approved? or not? >> look, vaccination among kids who are eligible right now is about 50%. so we're not seeing the uptick among kids. i think pediatricians are going to have to work hard with families to try to encourage them to get children vaccinated. we're not going to see childhood vaccinations mandated until these vaccines are fully approved, and there's multiple vaccines on the market. it might not happen until fall 2021-2022 school season. cdc is going to have to take a recommendation to put this in a child immunization schedule. some states have to pass
separate laws to enable that. i think eventually it ends up there, but i think this is a longer-term plan. i think the thing we can do most immediately in terms of trying to get more people vaccinated who are at high risk is require health care providers, medicare advantage plans and others, to have to vaccinate their constituents, the medicare population. that could have a big effect on getting the most vulnerable people vaccinated at high rates. >> our affiliate ktuu are reported four arrested at a heated meeting over whether to enact a mask mandate in anchorage, alaska. some people wore makeshift badges with a star of david saying, do not comply, comparing mask-wearing to actions taken during the holocaust. are you surprised at how this continues to get uglier and uglier? >> i'm surprised at how divisive these things have become. that's why i worry about the mandates. we're going to have governors running for president potentially on a platform of opposing vaccination.
and so if vaccines become another political issue that we divide ourselves on as society, that's going to impact covid vaccinations and vaccines as cross the board. we need to tread carefully and make sure the incremental benefit we're getting in terms of additional people vaccinated is going to have enough public health payoff that it's worth the policies we're enacting. right now i think we'll get to 80% based on current policies and the good work of the administration. i don't think we're going to get above 85%. a lot of people who remain unvaccinated probably had covid, so they have some immunity. so we really need too look from a public health standpoint what the marginal gains are from the increments of people that were getting vaccinated for the policies that we're implementing. i'm not saying they're bad policies but they need to be judged very carefully against the longer-term implicates. >> right, so it isn't just punitive, or -- right, thank you so much, dr. gottlieb, i appreciate your time. >> thanks a lot. next, the breaking news, we have new body cam video that has just come out of an officer
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>> reporter: right, it's just under an hour. and this new body cam footage shows gabby's conversation with another officer that does provide insight into what happened that day, because remember, up until now, we've only seen the body cam footage of one of four officers involved that day. and in this footage we hear gabby talk about how bickering earlier in the day led to the fight. the fight that led police to the couple. tonight, as the search for brian laundrie extends into week two, new body camera footage released from moab, utah, police from the august 12th traffic stop. >> we want to know the truth, if he actually hit you. because you know -- >> i guess, yeah, but i hit him first. >> where did he hit you? don't worry, just be honest. >> he scratched my face, i guess.
he didn't, like, hit me in the face, like punch me in the face. >> did he slap your face or that? >> he grabbed me like with his nail, and i guess that's why -- it's a cut right here, i can feel it. >> yeah. >> reporter: fbi agents were seen visiting the laundrie home, entering the house with two bags, leaving with one. agents seen entering the camper in the driveway. the family attorney telling cnn, the fbi is at the laundrie home to connect personal items belonging to brian that will assist the k-9s in their search. the family attorney confirms brian went on a camping trip with his family at ft. de soto park 75 miles away days after returning home without petito from his trip out west. we are also learning north port police say two calls came in on september 10th and 11th from gabby's father in new york, trying to report her missing at the laundrie family address in
florida. september 11th, north port authorities went to the family home to speak with brian. they were, quote, essentially handed the information through their attorney, according to a spokesperson for the north port police. for three days after petito was reported missing, no information coming from the family about gabby or brian, only a statement from the family attorney saying, quote, on behalf of the laundrie family, it is our hope the search for miss petito is successful and miss petito is reunited with her family. six days after gabby was reported missing, family told police brian was missing after saying heading to a nearby nature preserve three days prior. new facts trickle out with no clue as to brian laundrie's whereabouts. erin, in this body cam footage, you see officers note that both brian and gabby both had scratches on them. because remember, you did hear
gabby say, when officers asked if he hit her, she said, well, yes, he did, but i hit him first. also in this footage, you hear the police officer call the witness back on his cell phone. he too asks the witness if he saw brian hit gabby. the witness says he never saw him punch her, but that he saw him push or shove her. >> all right, laila, thank you very much. for more on this new reporting, i want to bring in our correspondent jean casarez who of course has been closely following all the developments in this horrific story. jean, look, this is very interesting. what laila is reporting that this part of the conversation between moab officers and gabby petito was nearly 50 minutes. so there's different angles. and this officer, nearly 50-minute conversation, this is a lot of a chance to see her talk, how she was portraying this, how she was responding. when you watch it, what do you take away? >> well, this is, as you said,
brand-new body cam. we've had one body cam for several weeks now. and it's an hour and 17 minutes long. and i've really watched that. and in that body cam, one of the four officers -- we're not sure who was speaking to her because it's his body cam, but the one that has the beard was talking to brian. he said to him, you are the victim of domestic abuse. and here's what you can do, you can get a no contact order. and he goes into great detail about what he can do so that gabby can't contact him. he says, but there's a problem, you live in florida. and finally, brian says, i don't want her to go to jail, i love her. and he said, well, we're going to try to find a situation -- he says, i don't want to cite her either. at the end the officer goes up to gabby and says, i have a very important question to ask you. did you intend to hurt brian? and legally, that's important. that's an important question.
she said, no, i didn't, i never would. so that did that. but it was determined that there was a mental health crisis, and maybe for gabby's welfare, it's better that it was determined that way because she could have possibly landed in jail that night. >> i mean, i guess we'll never know, maybe that -- well, who knows. the fbi did return to the laundrie home today to collect items, to help in their search. so now on day 13 of a manhunt, still no trace of brian that we are aware of. and yet you've had them searching this nature preserve, you've had them looking for all this time. what seems odd to you about the fbi going back to the house to search again? >> this is according to the attorney for the laundries. he said they took some personal effects of brian's to help them with scent dogs. to me that's the headline from that. dogs are routinely used in searches, and you've got several types of dogs. but to get something that had brian's scent on it would be a
search dog, a scent dog that is trying to find brian alive. so they have not discounted that brian is alive. a cadaver dog is one that goes for the scent of decomposition. in cases that i have covered throughout the years, this evidence routinely comes into a courtroom. it is the forensic dog evidence. and there's great explainers on all of the training these dogs get. it's highly important in investigations. so i find it very interesting. and maybe they're not focused on the carlton preserve anymore because there's just very few there, but they obviously want to search somewhere, and those dogs will be useful. >> all right, jean, thank you very much for explaining all of that. next, the nation's most-watched governor's race heats up. the democratic candidate doing everything he can to tie his opponent to trump. the republican is keeping his distance. >> you didn't mention his name tonight. >> i'm a virginia-first candidate. i'm on the ballot --
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tonight, the trump tightrope. glen young, the trump-backed candidate to be the next governor of virginia, walks a fine line, echoing trump on some issues while trying to keep his distance. a new fox news poll shows yunkin 4 points behind terry mcauliffe. trump lost virginia by 10 points last year so that's very significant. jeff zellinny is "outfront." >> who's ready for a new governor? >> reporter: glenn yunkin is auditioning to be a new face of the republican party. >> we're about to absolutely send a shock wave around the country. >> reporter: that shock wave would be a victory this fall in virginia where the gop has not won statewide in a dozen years. he's locked in a tight race for governor with terry mcauliffe, who's hoping to keep that democratic streak alive by trying to paint his rival as a clone of donald trump.
>> he's a total wannabe donald trump. >> reporter: yunkin is testing how big the republican party's tent can be. >> forever trumpers, never trumpers, single-issue voters, libertarians, tea party folks. it's about bringing people together. >> reporter: he rarely mentions the former president by name, a point trump has noticed. >> the only guys that win are the guys that embrace the maga movement. >> reporter: the former president says you need to embrace him more, embrace the maga movement more. >> he knows exactly where i stand -- >> you didn't mention his name tonight. >> i'm a virginia-first candidate. i'm on the ballot, it's glenn yunkin running in virginia. >> reporter: he makes clear republicans, at least here, must chart a new course. >> the republican party has figured out one thing over the last 12 years. that's how to lose. >> reporter: the former private equity executive is investing millions of his own money into the campaign, introducing himself through tv ads as a former college basketball
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year. that's pretty stunning. chief and administrative nursing officer at that hospital joins us. can you describe what you and your fellow health care workers are seeing in terms of these violent incidents? >> sure. thanks for having me, erin. health care violence and nurses being put in situations that are harmful is not new, and we've seen that rise over the decades. but what i'm seeing different is nurses are now making decisions about where they're going to work based on their safety. so we are looking for whatever tools we can find to make sure we can prevent that harm to them because they're our most valuable resource. all of our health care workers are. so what we've seen over this year is people's escalation and frustrations. we've implemented, like every other hospital in the country, restrictions on visiting, so everyone is escalated. and the front line staff are the ones who usually take the brunt
of that. >> it's just awful. i understand what you're saying, but i'm deeply shocked about this. it's horrible what you're talking about. i know that you've seen the violence against health care workers had already started to rise before the pandemic, and now the pandemic has made it much, much worse. what kind of things are you seeing? we have to be talking about physical things here. >> sure. we've implemented reporting systems in the last ten years of health care, and they are more robust. so what we've asked staff to do is report things that happened to you at work, and that way start to have a record and baseline for what's happening. that could range anywhere from a verbal assault, someone screaming and yelling and cutting at you, threatening to you that could lead to slapping, punching, spitting, those
things. that's just the nature of health care work. now, some patients are demeante and they don't have intent of harming you, and i think that's the hardest thing for health care workers. they don't want to report someone who is trying to hurt you. >> it's been said that they've been cursed at, screamed at, threatened with bodily arm and even had knives pulled on them. >> when people are sick coming into health care now is just accelerated. their anxiety is what i would say. i think they've been isolated for a while or coming out of immediate care, and there are mental health issues related to
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monica lewinsky says she thought about killing herself at the height of the clinton scandal and its aftermath. more than two decades have passed since her affair with the then-president. it was a solacious story that dominated every news cycle at the time and transformed her life. it led to clinton's impeachment. lewinsky was intensely vilified and now she's revealing more about her struggles with david axelrod and the incredible toll it took on her life. >> i just couldn't see a way out. i thought that maybe that was the solution and had even asked -- you know, which this is also an interesting point of just i had asked the oic lawyers about what happens if i die, you know, and -- >> oh, my goodness.
zl >> as more of an adult now, i think back, how is there not a protocol that that's the point where you're supposed to bring a psychologist in or something? how is that not a breaking point? >> she tried not to let the scandal define her. you have to hear more on the pod podcast. we could be just an hour away from a vote in the house of representatives that will pave the way for democratic lawmakers to deliver on what got the president elected, or we might not. the whole thing could crater. we're joined by congresswoman jayapal. she certainly made those promises to make child care more