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he has two lawsuits brought against him. these default cases are rare in the legal world and they're related to the lies that jones has spread about the 2012 shooting. twelve children and six adults murdered that day. we won't repeat jones' lies here just to say that they were lies. a lot of them. a jury will be convened to determine what jones must pay in damages. cnn has reached out to attorneys for the plaintiff in the case. alex jones' attorneys have declined to comment. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris cuomo for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> ordinarily the relief sought is what's granted. that's the risk in not doing what you're supposed to do, in other words, defaulting, so we'll see. appreciate that. let's see if there's history on our watch tonight, my brother. this is a big night. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time.
will we see history? will president biden get the biggest infrastructure spending bill done ever, certainly since the new deal? does he get that and the largest spending bill ever on a raft of rescue money for working families that is popular everywhere, all places or faces? or does he get nothing, at least tonight? the progressives are now in charge of that party, often dismissed as the fringe, radical, socialist. they are in control. they are the stewards of president biden's agenda. the speaker has three hours left to unify her party around this $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill. and she is still signaling there will be a vote tonight. in fact, she's been optimistic all day. >> we're on a path to win the vote. think positively. >> how strong is the power of positive thinking? because pelosi said she would
only bring the vote to the floor if she had the votes to pass it. and the progressives are being pretty clear about how any vote would go tonight. >> you're not awworried about t caucus not voting the way you want them to? >> i'm so proud of our caucus. >> no spending bill, no infrastructure. that's what the progress ives ae saying, and jayapal who you just heard, that is the head of the progressive party in the house. she basically sent a tweet reminding her caucus, stick to the plan. pass both bills together. and to show how far apart this party is, you got jayapal here, right? you have josh gottheimer, who is a leading moderate. he's one of the problem solvers
caucus. he says he's 1,000% certain that the infrastructure bill is going to pass tonight. are they in the same party? are they in the same universe? let's go live to capitol hill to chief correspondent manu raju. manu, where are we? >> i just spoke to bill rodgers. he was in a meeting with democratic leaders to cut some sort of an outlined deal on that larger bill. he told me just moments ago if the infrastructure bill comes to a vote in the house tonight should be defeated. he's calling on progressives to defeat that bill, and he calls it absurd that there is late night deal breaking on this massive package they're trying to move and to expand the safety necessities. we shouldn't be working in the last minute before a major vote on this package.
we should continue to move both together. what the democrats and white house hoped was to get a deal that will be signed up on max ryan's brother. get schumer on board and they'll say, we'll move guard on that $1.2 trillion infrastructure plan because we know a bigger bill will come forward. he said, i'm not ready to that right now. nancy pelosi is still pushing nor vote to pass in the house tonight, but i have yet to see how she would get the votes in the house to approve it. >> i have two questions, brother. it's interesting, because everybody is trying to put the stink on manchin, and it's bernie saying don't even vote for that bill tonight. was manchin or sinema in the
meeting you're talking about right now between cinema and the white house. we know they've also been asking discussions with various household commission, yesterday and into today, so there has been communication back and forth. but they were not at that meeting. this was chuck schumer with white house staff, including susan rice, who is one of the top white house officials, she's also in the capitol trying to sort out some kind of agreement. this vote has waited for an hour. they're still scrambling to get a deal, nancy pelosi just is not ready to pto pull the plug yet. >> let's talk about nancy. people can say they like her, don't like her. it's pretty hard to find someone who knows the rules better that
speaker pelosi. so from bernie sanders to jay a pagourtzis to manchin and many others, what are you hearing about the thinking behind this forced timetable by pelosi? >> she feels. this goes to a promise i made to t the believe if they could get some assurances that that larger bill could move forward, at least they can get that one victory tonight and get the second victory later on. the problem she's facing is something she can't really control. a lot of these progressives simply don't trust joe manchin. they say they don't trust pelosi. they kneeled all 50 states in the city.
you're trauking to dekt can of, so even a framework, an outline of aly. that is the gij of the process and it's simply not enough for those progressive members. can she change their minds, can biden change their mind before tonight? it seems doubtful, but they've been working all day. we'll see if anything changes, chris. >> so it's fair to give a little bit of criticism about the timing, because making a promise to the moderates what, are they really going to walk away from the biggest spending bill ever? what are they going to have to show for the midterms? but it is not fair to say, hoh,i guess pelosi has lost her touch in twisting the arms of the senate.
>> they agreed to that date, october 27. the budget resolution sets the stage for that larger bill. to get agreement from those mode moderates, she had to agree to that budget bill by september 27. i asked her, wias it a mistake o make that agreement by friday? will they expire all the way across the country. >> transportation programs will expire. she said it is needed to extend transportation funding, but chris, the reality is theblgd possibly spend, and they probably will, existing highway funding so there is a. that i recall criticism for not being able to deliver and some
folks on the right call it a f fearsome deadline. >> have you ever spoken to a leader and they said yes? >> i don't know. >> manu raju, let in my ear and let me know if we have to update something on my watch. congressman ro khanna. he's a whip. he's very active, seen as a fair broker and it's been really good to have him on the show. congressman, thank you for joining us again. >> thanks, chris. nice to be on. an action-filled day. >> does manu have it right? >> he does. we have a progressive meeting coming up. i spoke with senator sanders. here's the thing. progress seems to have been made today. at least senator manchin has offered a framework. i also hear senator sinema is
engaged but we can't approve everything at midnight. we'll have to see what the frak work is, we'll have to have progressive action into the framework, but if they've moved the vote forward, good, but i don't believe they'll vote on anything. z >> the timing, the urgency, the confusion. that's catnip for the media. to me it's tertiary. really, what matters here is what does framework mean? when you say -- because manchin will say, look, i told chuck schumer in july what my number was and what my concerns were with how you pay for this. that beyond what your tax rates are and what revenue you'll get, everything else is to him magic. it doesn't really exist, dynamic scoring and the rest.
when you say you have a framework, what is that? >> i don't think we have one, we're working toward one, but i'll tell you what senator manchin did that's constructive. he said we need to repeal a lot of the trump tax cuts. he's open to opening the tax rate. he's open to opening taxes on the very wealthy, he's open to opening certain capital gains taxes. you can earn $2 billion in revenue to staurt rt that. he's open to preschool, he's open to investing in seniors. there are areas to negotiate. i don't think we need to be mean testing these things. >> let's talk about that because we don't use this voluntary dab larry all the time. manchin says, i'm open to giving monday -- they'll say people in west virginia want this, first of all. they vote on cultural issues
there, which is why trump won it by 40 points. he says not everybody in this country is equal. you must means test, and that, he says, is taking a look at who needs this kind of help and who doesn't, drawing a line and then figure out how much to spend. why don't you like that? >> for some things, i think it makes sense. if you're talking about the child tax credit, for other things, it makes no sense. for example, we didn't mean huchl. >> there were some rich kids th there, we'll be more polarized. when it comes to preschool, we need to look at where we agree and not agree.
>> why should rich people get free college? >> because i want people to still go to public college. first of all, most of the rich folks go to ivy league schools, anyway, or other private schools. there have got to be places in this country, public schools or public colleges, where we have a mixing of economic class where everyone can go. there have to be some universal problems like social security, medicare. we're all in this together, chris, as a means test. >> just because you pay in, if you don't need the money, why don't you figure out a mechanism where above a certain amount, you get some kind of tax deduction or something, but you don't get the money because you don't need it. >> you can scrap the cap, so if you're paying tax over 250,000, you'll pay a lot into social security, but i think it's a principal that people don't participate in that program.
>> so why don't you raise the cap? that will get you a ton of money. is manchin praming like that. >> do you know. we had these silo conversations, sort of like manchin isly, the progressives, the white house -- >> i don't know. >> why doirchlt. you know, i think what will happen here is we'll a have a framework, then the progressives should get on board. this tonight is going to move us forward. what manchin has done is constructive in saying that i voted against the trump tax cuts. at the very least we can have about 2 tr$2 trillion, and they
on the record opposing these tax cuts. >> ro khaana, this is helpful, because you'll explain it in such a way that people don't follow thely voting process. maybe it's a good thing if it allows you to get even more done. good luck going forward doing the business of the people. >> thank you for giving me the opportunity. >> thank you for taking it. stay with us. why would nancy pelosi -- strategists, why would she put something on that's not going to win? would that send some kind of message i've never seen before, but that will happen on our
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where it came from. let's list tonen to this. >> what's the budget on the bill. how do you know it's not 3.5? >> it could be 1, 1.5, i don't know where it's going to be. >> you just said 1.5. >> i'm saying why look at numbers if we have a tax code that wasn't done by the half time. >> manchin is clearly out of step with his party. he said, you have to elect more liberals because this is crazy liberal and i'm not lynn ral. dana bash who you just saw sticking the number to manchin,
paul vagala. having seen this kind of game before, paul, have you had, other than maybe obamacare, democrats going in the same party as we're seeing now. >> oh, yaueah, the biggest game. ro is one of the smartest people in the congress. listen to what he did. he wasn't blasting joe manchin, in fact, he was respecting him. he heard the right thing. i want to spend at least 1.5 trillion is how i hear him. people call it a top line, and i don't know what that is. what it is is a floor.
ly they'll get a trillion and a half more for infrastructure. this will be the most remarkable win for progressives if they can just accept it. >> it's like, take the win, dana, right? they really are poo-pooing that if the numbers are what everybody wants least, it will be the most spending since the new deal, and almost all of it is in categories that the american people have said from everywhere and every level that they want. >> no question about it. so many of the democrats who were serving, especially in the house right now -- first of all, a good number of them have not done this kind of thing before. the second, and even those who have had a president of their own party, or you have the ability to get things done that you campaigned on.
we kicked the can down the road and said, we ran on it last election, we'll take a little bit now. >> now or never. >> i'm looking at paul begala s skpl. bill clinton became president and performs. now the democratic party is in such a dirchlt plals prog progre progressively. the youngest ones are either retired or lost, and for the most part, what you have is the sort of moderate president, that's the guy they thought joe biden was, he's the one pushing this progressive agenda, and it
really is remarkable. >> paul, you know i love you. i had you on the radio show today. you're a spin doctor, baby. this is a sea change for your party. your party is now controlled by the progressive wing. maybe you'll go back to saying liberals, you guys seem to like that word. jayapal, forget about aoc. judge mill a who is in the room who just told, stick to the plan, guys. iver never seen this. if you think back -- put it this way. a couple years ago, 2016, way back in the dark ages. she proposed the biggest infrastructure plan in history.
$275 billion. are you kidding? ly joe manchin has asked for the entire infrastructure bill plus o ohio. in a sense, the democrats are getting the w. the moderates have won almost every primary against the leftists. the cleveland house district or the louisiana house district. so the moderate is have a ma marry -- very hard time with this. >> i really do believe this is going to be a studied time in our history. we are seeing a pendular swing. do you remember -- with you,
bengala. now it is bigger than ever a couple scenes later. paul, we'll see what your party is about. if they blow this, it will be the most epic stealing defeat out of the jaws of victory we've ever seen. we'll keep an eye. dana -- this won't happen. we have more breaking news on the manhunt for brian laundrie. this is not just about morbid curiosity. we have to decide what makes sense in this story, and there
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there is new body cam video in the gabby petito situation, and it is helpful. it's not just about a morbid curiosity. we need to get a feel for what the dynamic was between gabby and her fiance brian laundrie. and we get a better sense of it before utah police pulled them over for a traffic stop. it's a long conversation. but i think it matters because the police ask about a mark on her face. now, watch and listen and then we'll discuss its relevance. >> is there something on your cheek here? did you get hit in the face?
it kind of looks like something hit you in the face. then over on your arm, your shoulder, right here? that's new, huh? kind of a new mark? >> yeah, i don't know. >> can i see the other side of your face? so what happened here and here? >> i'm not sure. i was just trying to get in the back of the car and the backpack got me. >> so the backpack got you? so there's two people who came to us and said they saw him hit you. there's two people who said they saw him punch you, independent witnesses by moonflower. >> i slapped him. >> you slapped him first? >> i wanted him to shut up. >> how many times did you slap him? >> a couple. >> and his reaction was to do what? >> he grabbed me.
>> he just grabbed you? >> yeah. >> did he hit you, though? it's okay if you say you hit him. we understand if he hit you, we just want to know. >> i hit him first. >> where did he hit you? on my face like this. he didn't hit me in the face or punch me in the face or anything. >> did he slap you in the face or what? >> he grabbed me with his nail -- i was cut right here because i could feel it. >> why does this matter? one, forget about everything that we're looking at. it's an interesting look at how police deal with these situations, or at least this situation. everything that you just saw, if you talk to any expert, and you will hear them commenting on this and you probably have already. this is an abusive dynamic, okay? gabby is evidencing all the
signals of somebody in a situation where she is afraid of getting brian in trouble, she is afraid of what that might mean for her, and she is aware of what happened, and instead of tell the truth, she tries to take the blame. that happens all the time. and the reason it matters is that if that is the dynamic, when police get involved in those dynamics, and then the two parties are separated, which happened in this one, it is not unusual for an abuser to become incensed at the loss of control and what they perceive as betrayal. so now when they get out of those hotel rooms and they're back together again, there can be a very ugly reestablishing of
a control dynamic. what can that look like? let's get perspective from retired fbi agent and attorney investigator bobby chicone. bobby, i know this because you guys have been teaching me for 20-plus years. >> you're on the money on this one. the policeman is trying to talk to gabby and he's trying to get the truth. you're not going to get the truth from her when the guy is 20 feet away talking to the cops. bring her down to the station, bring him somewhere else. and there are jurisdictions now because this is such an epidemic. i think over 50% of women homicide victims are victims of an intimate partner. so i think some of the laws have changed, where if there is a complaint or a domestic violence call and one of the parties has a visible injury, the other party has to be arrested. there is no discretion.
because they know these partners tend to make excuses for the other person, particularly the woman in these type of abusive relationships. so, you know, a lot of jurisdictions, the police don't have that discretion because we often see the woman not want to press charges or they change their story or they cover for the other person. so the laws are being changed to say, you know what, if somebody has a visible injury, someone has got to go to jail. >> right. now, look, that's true, and we'll figure out the jurisdiction here, but it's a sidebar, although god bless the petitos and the schmidt families for wanting to talk about abusive relationships and putting a message out to women who might be in a situation like that. them being able to think outside themselves in this kind of moment is a real demonstration of what they're about. but why do we care? we care because if that's what this dynamic is and they were then separated, now they're back together, and remember, they're in the middle of nowhere.
they don't go back home, right? they wind up at that campsite most likely next, how reasonable is it that in the rep reapproachment, how likely is it to get worse? >> oh, very likely. she told her mother in the weeks leading up to that that she was getting more anxious because things were getting more awkward between them. they are not lifving in a house they are living in a van. >> people say they didn't have any other friends, they were really about each other. >> absolutely. and when you take off in a van like that, the controlling party is going to have even more control. and if they lose that control or if the other person starts exercising independence, it's going to be trouble. >> right. and look, people will say, yeah,
but it's not like she went missing the next day. it doesn't have to be the next day. these are our periods of constancey and pressure and building and the fight at the restaurant and then they're at the campsite. i'm just saying circumstantially, ilts t's goin be a familiar pattern for prosecutors and then gabby's body found, not hidden. if this death is a crime of passion, it plays into a pattern of somebody going home alone and saying nothing to the family of the loved one and neither does their family for ten days under advice of counsel, highly suggestive. we'll see what the case is, but we're trying to tell the story. so we now catch up to the current. bobby, what's your take on the fbi going back to the house saying they want some more scent material and the suggestion reportedly that they may be
narrowing things down. >> i think people should understand we're in a period where no stone is going to go unturned, so if they're giving that serncent to the tracking d so they can search, or going to de soto park to search there, we don't have the luxury to pick and choose what we're going to do. then they'll rule it out if they don't find him. they want to use tracking dogs, and the best thing to use on a tracking dog is an item of clothing the person has worn directly against their skin. so that's probably what they took out of there in a bag today when the agents were there. >> spitball on it for us. two-plus weeks with a head start, what is the percentage chance you find somebody in these situations? >> you know, unfortunately, i
would love to say it's higher, but i think if they do it right, they had the time to plan, they had the time to get the funds together. we're kind of in a post-pandemic environment where everybody is wearing masks. unless people are out and about, i think that there is a chance to he could be successfully off the radar for a little while. >> bobby, thank you very much. >> it pains me to say that. >> absolutely, but you have to deal with the realities. and it is not easy to evade authorities, especially in a confined area. i know it's a swamp, but with an alligator hiding under a tree trunk, it's not easy to hide there. busy night here. we're keeping a watch on brabrang i -- breaking news.
speaking of alligators, have you ever seen a guy do what this guy did? did you see this? this guy, forget about superheroes. this is my man right now. he had never done anything like this before. he figured out that trap door thing taking on that alligator, and then did you see what he did afterwards down in florida? he's not even from florida, by the way. and he's in flip-flops, or slides or something. did you see what he did after? i have it for you. we're back with the man himself. this is who i want to be, the reptile wrangler, next.
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showdown between a man and an alligator. of course, like all good things in america these days, his buddy decides to just video it with his phone than help the guy, but he is taking on the alligator with the trash can. he has never done this before. he knows nothing about alligators. he's not even from florida, he's from north philly. his kids were playing outside this week, they heard hissing, realized it was the gator. he springs into action. there is his boy right there with the cell phone. like he couldn't help. he even uses the lid as a trap door on this. and it works. amazing. then he lifts it up. what else do you need to see to make this man someone you absolutely call whenever
anything happens in your life that needs help? he then -- this is the even more beautiful part. what do you think he does with the alligator? look what he does. you would be thinking kill it or call the cops, you know what i mean? leave it somewhere, put a big rock on the top. nope. he goes across the street, down a pond with a big ass angry alligator in there, okay? in slides, walking backwards. goes to the pond, taking his sweet time, and then he lets it go. and takes back his garbage can, because they're expensiexpensiv. eugene joins us now, and i finally figured out why it makes sense. eugene's last name is bo szzi, bo-o-z-z-i b-o-z-z-i.
italian blood. that alligator never had a chance. good to see you. what do you make of the celebration of that alligator sensation? >> basically i take it like this. i think the alligator was really deprived and tired after going through that ordeal. i really just wanted to make sure all was safe. that's why i put the alligator back in the lake. i just wanted to change the environment for my children and get him out of that concrete jungle. that was the decision we make on behalf of our children. >> obviously you love your kids, because who takes on an alligator? what made you think this is the way to capture the alligator? >> i had a few encounters -- my daughter go on bikes all day because no cars come to the street at all. they saw a small one a few weeks ago. a small one, i grabbed him by
the tail. so fast forward to that day, my daughter actually came and got me and said, dad, come here. i said, what are you talking about? she showed me and i said, let me get the trash can. i used my war techniques and the steve irwin came out in me a little built, you know, steve irwin before youtube, when you watched steve irwin videos, there was no rewind unless you wanted to rewind the tape. so fast-forward in the situation, and i treated him like a hungry hippo mouth. >> that was absolutely hungry hippo all day long. >> you said your military training. how did the military help you in this situation? dealing with the adrenaline? >> when i say military, i'm not saying train like actually attack or apprehend alligators, but to be under pressure and not panic and approach the situation
and finish the task and eliminate the threat so you can make the environment around you safe. that's kind of what i did in afghanistan with my other veterans, and i'm proud i served this country and i hope the country is happy for me serving. i've got severn daughters. they embrace me -- >> seven daughters. >> yeah. >> an alligator is the least of your problem with seven daughters. i know you know this is dangerous stuff and you got to be careful. next time, god willing, just call the wildlife cops. >> absolutely. i'll tell everybody to come in the house and call police. i appreciate that. thank you. >> no, i appreciate it. eugene, thank you for giving us a good story with a happy ending. god bless you and your seven daughters and your entire family, and thank gold you're safe. thank you for letting us see somebody do something remarkable. >> thank you, sir.
i appreciate that, and i'm a big fan of you and your brother. i think you're doing a good job in the world. i appreciate you. >> let me tell you something, neither one of us would have been within a zip code of where you were with that alligator. you win. but we're all italian, so there's hope for us yet. eugene, be well. >> i'm half and half, black and italian, but i appreciate it. >> that's fine. i'll take half. >> that's a narrative we have to change. black fathers, we're going to step up and start taking care of our kids. we're changing the future for them from this day forward. >> let me tell you, it doesn't get any tougher than what you did. you led your heart and your head. be well. seven daughters. >> thank you. we'll be right back. we'll take a quick break.
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bird? here she is. she is doing what she promised. she is fighting, the amazing talented singer who has performed on "america's got talent" made me just have to reach out to her, and simon cowell finally did the right thing and gave her a pass. it's incredible. and she has cancer. she has a really tough case. and she started a ten or so week course of treatment, and let me tell you, she is fighting and she is doing well. take a little listen. >> just think about, like, don't you want to see what happens if you don't give up? don't you want to see what happens? that's what i keep saying to myself and that's what i say to everyone watching tonight. don't you want to see what happens if you don't give up? >> i love everything about her. i lover being in touch with her, and she is fighting, and she believes, and she see doing
better. so here's the update today, okay? look, the cancer is bad. she'll be the first one to tell you. but it's about how much quality, how much time and how she uses it. so here's a picture of the update as she see going through -- there she is, there's that big, beautiful smile. i keep telling her we got to work on those guns. it's not easy for her to put on weight right now but she's trying. the results they're getting are good. the bloodwork came back and the doctors are happy with the numbers, so god bless, keep going, night bird, we're thinking about you, we're praying. you are a gift to us and we can't wait to have you back. all right. we'll take a quick break with the happndoff. it's moving day. and while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, jess is busy moving her xfinity internet and tv services.
all right, thank you for watching "don lemon tonight" with big star d. lemon right now. what do you want to start with? >> i want to talk to you about the alligator because you're obsessed with that video. the italian saying, look, i'm black and italian. >> i think he said, i'm italian and black. >> it is indicative of what's happening in washington, d.c. is what i'll say, and that is what nancy pelosi is trying to do, wrangle all the democrats together in order to get thi