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news continues, let's turn things over to don and "don lemon tonight." this is "don lemon tonight." thanks for joining us, everyone. here is the question that everyone on capitol hill is asking now. so now what? what happens now? right? all of a sudden we were in this big deadline, what are we going to do, the deadline is coming? can nancy pelosi do this? mitch mcconnell? so there was a day of high drama, right? we're waiting on the edge of our seat since last night for a vote that did not come. the president going to capitol
hill to plead the case for his agenda with members of his party, progressives digging in their heels so what happens now? president joe biden's agenda, the promises he made to the american people, the agenda that got him elected hanging in the balance. >> i'm telling you, we'll get this done. >> how? >> it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it's in six minutes, six days, or six weeks. we're going to get it done. >> so so much for the house speaker nancy pelosi self-imposed deadline blew by last night. in a dear colleague letter tonight the speaker says while great progress has been made in the negotiations to develop a house, senate and white house agreement on the build back better act, more time is needed to complete the task. obviously, right? because it's not done. the president vowing democrats will overcome their differences.
several lawmakers telling cnn behind closed doors, the president said the top line number where they're looking to find agreement is somewhere between 1 .9 trillion and $2 trillion. >> the president said that we got to get both of them done so it doesn't look like there will be a vote today. he basically said two things. one, sorry, it's not going to be 3.5. maybe two, two instead of 3.5 so he said that and then the other thing he basically said, we need to pass both of them. >> there you go. somewhere between 1.9 and $2 trillion. congressman mike quig gley, he said if they are too dug in, this is
an oliver branch not demanding. so congress woman pramila
jayapal saying this. >> i think we'll have to get to a number that all 50 democrats in the senate and us in the house agree to and, you know, 3.5 was our number and we understand. >> house republicans who were previously planning to support the bill are rethinking their votes after biden's visit to the hill today. i asked everyone last night and they were so hopeful about this saying they would get-togethers when i asked democrats, what about governing for democrats? doesn't that raise questions about governing? that was my point. and so now republicans are saying maybe the ones who are going to support it are saying maybe we won't know. the question is what
happens now? in the middle of this, the debt
ceiling looming. this is where the urgency should be, as well. maybe the number one priority until this is done and then focus on the other parts of the agenda but a house passed bill is scheduled for a vote next week in the senate where mitch mcconnell has vowed there will be no republican help on the dent a debt and that means there is a very real danger the united states could default if congress doesn't take action before october 18th. it's all just a scenical political game, really. republicans are determined to force democrats to go at it alone. white house press secretary jen psaki naming and shaming republicans playing politics with the debt. >> republicans in congress are treating this like a game. let me give you some examples. senator rick scott and this is a real quote i will note. this is going to be a ball. i'm going to have so much fun. that's about the debt limit. senator kevin cramer, it's sort of fun to watch and senator corbin said yesterday
republicans would use every tool at their disposal to slow democrats from doing this on their own. >> that as americans are facing real serious real world consequences if the country does default. the real issue. 50 million seniors could be left holding the bag if social security payments are held up. the stock market would no doubt plummet. mortgage rates would rise. and we could lose millions of jobs. and in the face of all of that, mitch mcconnell's hypocrisy is right out there for all the world to see refusing to vote for something he is voted for 32 times in the past. >> i think the debt ceiling legislation is a time that brings us all together. in the case of the debt limit, we need to act quickly given the new uncertainty from the large costs of storm recovery. secretary of treasury schumer
and i had this morning in my office to discuss the raising of the debt ceiling that we all know will need to be done sometime in the next month or so and we'll look for a way forward to do that together to make sure america continues to never, ever default. >> the time we got serious on a bipartisan basis to try to work this out and not have the kind of chaos that goes along with our inability to come together on these kind of important issue is issues. you may or may not recall i said that when i was the leader of the senate. i don't think there is a chance we'll allow the country to default. >> okay. so he said well, we need to do it because of storm recovery. aren't we recovering from storms now? millions of people in this country recovering from storms. my own family in louisiana. so now what's different? never ever default he said. america never ever default on
this debt. what happened to that? it's time we get serious about bipartisan efforts to work this thing out. where is that this time? what's different about that mitch mcconnell and republicans? what is different? that's how cynical and how toxic our politics have become and then there is the literal toxicity of vaccine mandates. california is the first state in the nation to require covid vaccinations for students. great california. i said it. supreme court justice sonia soto minor denying a request to block new york city's mandate for public school employees. it went into effect just about five hours ago. and we're learning that justice brett kavanaugh tested positive for covid-19. all the other justices have tested negative and the court
says that justice kavanaugh will do the arguments next week remotely. the nba has been in the news. we learned unvaccinated nba players that don't compile with local van nccination mandates wt get paid for games they miss. golden state warriors star t draymond green wonld push teat -- won't push teammates to get vaccinated. >> we're dealing with something to me feels like has turn into a political war when you talking about a vaccination and none vaccv vaccinated it's political. you live in the land of the free, you're not giving anyone freedom because you're making people do something essentially. that goes against everything that america stands for. >> draymond green, that's actually wrong. i'll tell you why it doesn't go
against everything america stands for. it actually goes along with what america stands for with what has already been decided by the highest courts in the land when it comes to vaccines and mandates. okay? so with all due respect to draymond green, this is about public health. we just passed a grim milestone of 700,000 deaths from covid in this country. 700,000 dead americans, 700,000 dead americans from covid. and now the vast majority of the people that we're losing are unvaccinated. this is about stopping a virus that is killing us. it's not about feelings. it's not about freedom or liberties when people who had that wrong. no matter how loudly people yell about it. >> freedom, baby. we are for freedom all the way and that's what we love. >> so, let me just for people are going to say well, i can't
believe don lemon is calling out the sand draymond or conservatives. i'm used to that. doesn't bother me. save it or do it. i don't look at it. so this is a little history lesson for you. okay? in the early 1900s when smallpox was running ramped a man refused to be vaccinated. he took his case to the supreme court where justice john marshall hard land delivered the decision the law did not violate the 14th amendment and writing here and i quote every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times under the pressure of great dinangers be subjected to such restraint to be enforced as the safety of the general public may demand.
so it is not about liberty. it's not about freedom. it is about public health. >> have you guys gotten vaccinated? >> no. >> no. >> won't do it. >> can i ask why you chose not to? >> i'm allergic to a lot of things in the chemicals and stuff like that, and freedom. you get to choose. if you can have an abortion and choose your body, i should be able to choose if i get a shot. >> already been tested, as well because in previous cases in history where people refused, they were fine even if they said they had a health issue about it. in 1922 the court uphold a san antonio ordinance that prevented anybody from attending a public or private school without smallpox vaccination. it's not about feelings or freedom. what kind of freedom do people want when they say they're not getting vaccinated because they
believe in freedom? do they want the freedom to get sick? do they want the freedom to be hospitalized or worse? do they want the freedom to be lying in an overcrowded hospital? struggling for every breath? do they want that freedom for the people they love to be infected with a deadly virus? k what kind of freedom is that? don't do it but then don't expect to be able to do what everybody else does. the people who are vaccinated. i want to go back to the question i asked at the top of the show. now what? what happens now? president biden's agenda is still hanging in the balance and vowing democrats will overcome differences but should he have gotten involved sooner? >> our position is exactly the same as the president's, which is we are going to get both
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both promises from president biden on the domestic agenda. the president vowing democrats will pass a bipartisan p infrastructure bill and sweeping safety package. nancy pelosi say income a lette they need more time for negotiations. ron brownstein and former advisor to george w. bush and john mccain and executive producer of "the circus" on show time. that letter was like duh, yeah, of course we need -- [ laughter ] here is what is happening. we need more time. good evening, gents. so the president, you know, went to capitol hill trying to rally the troops. you heard from biden. he's pledging this is going to get done regardless of the timeline. this is a really messy process. maybe i'm not categorizing that right but i don't izing properl
there is the big divide. is the president right? will it happen? >> you will think it will happen for the reason we talked about all the way throughout. it's really not in anyone's interest in the democratic party to have it completely collapse. don, this is tough. they're trying to make great change on a slender majority to borrow a phrase from thomas jefferson and that is difficult. you know, in the 21st century, because the country is so deeply and stably divided, it's been really hard for either party to generate any kind of significant cushion in the senate. there is only three senates in this century where one party had at least 55 seats. right now democrats only have 50 and you're seeing the pains of that. we should be reminded in 2017 republicans only had 51 and they ultimately failed on one of their two big goals, which is repealing the aca because they couldn't hold everybody together. in the end, i still think they will find a way to get this done but, you know, in a 50/50 senate
every senator is a king and mansion and cinema in particularly sure enjoy that power. >> before i get to mark, do you think they'll get it done because there is word they're losing the few republicans support that they may have or supporters they had. >> right. i mean, almost inevitable, right? the problem solver's caucus is melting away at the tend of republicans. they might have single digit republicans supporting this. the issue isn't republicans and the house but whether the house and it's not just the progressives. it's really the broad range of the party in both chambers. the vast, vast majority of democrats in both chambers can reach agreement with mansion and cinema on an acceptable number for the reconciliation bill, which is the core of biden's agenda and let's not forget the only reason so much is being waited on this one bill because it's the only way to avoid a filler bester. so
-- filibuster. so many things, gun control, lgbtq right, hang up on the phillerphil fillibuster so letting this go down would be an enormous self-inflected wound by democrats so in the end you have to bet they find a way to do it. >> i think the technical term for it is dumb. [ laughter ] >> mark, do you disagree with that? >> no, listen, they hang together or separately. that's for sure. having worked on both sides of the aisle, the one thing that's clear to me, when republicans get orders, they solute and march. when democrats get orders, they jump in a mosh pit. just the way it is. they're a party of 1,000 constituents and we saw that this week. at the end of the day, i believe joe biden has a good point which is a year from now if there is a reconciliation bill with a lot of the human infrastructure, they won't care when it's done.
>> real quick, voters don't care when it was done but also for the sinemas and mansions of the world and progressives in the house, are there voters going to care it was 3.5 or 2.9? is that really going to matter to them? >> well, i don't think the number is significant but it depends what gets stripped out of the package, if it's child care, yeah. voters a lot of constituents will be upset. >> you're making a point. are you good? >> i'm good. >> okay. >> can i say there may be a political win, win because the most logical way to shrink this down is phase out programs rather than stripping them out so you could run in 2024 on reauthorizing and continuing ideas like universal prek and the children's tax credit and paid family leave. so there may be kind of a logical way out of there. you can cut the cost and maybe double down on the political
benefit by fphasing out the timing how you implement the ideas. >> mark, that was my point last night where i said to members of the progressive wing, like if you're not in power, katie porter, what does it matter? the point is to stay in power and then go back to your constituents and say, you know, this is america. this is how the government works. we need more time. we need more power. we'll have more influence and to be able to continue doing what we're doing now. >> double dip. >> and i mean, this has shown the progressive wing of the party is really flexing its muscles. i'm not sure that's where americans are. if the package is too big and too broad that's problematic for 2022. ron brownstein has a smart idea and democrats ought to listen to that advice. >> what kinds of things are you expecting to see cut back to get to the price tag, mark? you said, you know, it doesn't
matter if it's 2.5 or 3, it's what is in it. what do you see getting cut back? >> the dental vision component for elderly americans could go. i think the community college piece could go. i think those are a couple of visit couple things that come to my mind. >> what about you, ron? >> well, i guess, the logic is less to remove entirely than play with how long they're in place and try to in someways take the most popular items like the child tax credit, universal prek perhaps, some of the health care and child care subsides and phase them out to save money. you can say look, this monthly payment you're receiving that is helping make ends meet and buy sneakers for your kids is on the ballot so you need to maintain a democratic congress in 2022 and a president in 2024. i agree, the medicare expansion will probably go back. they are trying to do two things
here. it the biggest increase in public investment since eisenhower like community prek and they're trying to do them both at once in one bill, which is crazy but the only way around the filibuster. more evidence of how much the filibuster is distorting the way congress works in the modern -- >> agreement from everyone here i see. i want to playerterry mcelccall. i. >> i say do your job. you got elected in congress. i work in a bipartisan way every single day. we get things done every single day. and people got to stop the posturing. they should spend less time talking to the press and spend more time in a room figuring out how they're going to help us out here. >> so mark, terry is in the middle of a campaign.
terry is no novemst at this. i'm wondering if it's causing him to miss a bigger picture. no room for descent or people peeling off or going the other way on the republican side and each minute longer, they stand to do that as a possibility. >> terry is exhibit a of the potential collateral damage of what is going on now. he's in a very tough race in this governor's race in virginia and you can see a little bit of di dis desperation there. he can't wait. >> he can't. terry is also an example of where the democratic -- where most of the democratic party is. the upcoming episode of "the circus" is about this. this is a clip featuring progressive caucus chair pramila
j jayapal. >> we're here to make transform mansion in a moment of tremendous crisis. we're here to deliver on climate change and health care. we're here to deliver on paid leave and child care so women can get back to work. we are not going to leave people behind. >> but i just mean in terms of the broader negotiations, are you confident if infrastructure doesn't get a vote coming out of this you can have a real conversation with the joe mansions and the biden can have a real conversation -- >> hopefully he understands he's not the only one with power with a slim majority. >> mark, i think you said it. both of you probably said it. the progressives are flexing muscles in ways that we haven't seen before but you said that biden was elected to be the center. so what is that dynamic going to look like for the rest of his presidency? >> first of all, kudos to congresswoman jayapal. she's done an outstanding job and beenfecteffective. there was a reason joe biden was
elected president and at the end of the day, if it's democrats wanting to win the midterms, which is a big challenge already in 2024, that i have to remember why joe biden was legislated in the first place. >> gents, thank you. ron -- >> i got to work on it. >> you got to work on the hat game and you have to work on the in tie friday. >> i'm all for it. >> it's no tie day. it's friday. >> all right. >> all right. >> i'm no tie -- >> thank you. appreciate it. listen. we need to talk about what is happening with the gabby petito case. there are cases of brian laundrie sightings on the app l -- app lay chapin trail. more after this.
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tonight, new tonight, a north carolina sheriff tells cnn they are getting tips about alleged sightings of gabby pe petito's fiancee brian laundrie and information about his family's camping trip days before he went missing. joining me former fbi assistant director. chris, good evening to you. so, the sheriff in north carolina tells cnn that they are getting tips about the alleged sightings of brian laundrie in that area. i know you know this area. what can you tell us about it?
is this the type of place brian could stay undetected for a long period of time? >> don, i do know the area well. i was a special agent in charge in north carolina for five years and went to under graduate school up there. i know the law enforcement agents up there and the sheriff and i think they are very much on their toes based on these leads but they have not been c corroborated and not very specific. nothing has been developed that i know of that would actually place him up there. it's not unlogical he would be on the appalachia trail but he's been seen in the bahamas, mexico, canada, alabama and a bunch of other locations. he's been spotted more than elvis. [ laughter ] >> or tupac. listen, this case has been such a social media phenomenon. do you think these kinds of tips are going to help solve it? >> these kinds of tips can be
very beneficial but they're really, really pain staking -- >> difficult task. >> difficult. thank you. >> it's friday. i get it. >> it's a difficult -- it's tough to go through all these leads. you have to have a lot of people working on it. you have to separate what is corroborated and what isn't. what is specific and what isn't. it takes a long time to sift through it. there are gems in there but you really have to dig to find them. >> i want to play new footage from the incident in utah. police officers tell gabby that witnesses have reported that they saw brian hit her. here it is. >> can i see the other side of your face? so what happened here and here? >> i'm not sure. i was trying to get in the back of the car and the backpack got me. >> so the backpack got you? so there is two people that came
to us and told us they saw him hit you. there is two people saying they saw him punch you. independent witnesses by moon flower. >> to be honest, i hit him first. >> where did you hit him? >> i slapped him in the face. >> you slapped him first? just on his face. how many times did you slap him? >> a couple. >> and then his reaction was to do what? he just grabbed you? >> yeah. >> so when you watch this video, chris, what do you take away from that and should someone have been arrested that day? >> yeah, it's heartbreaking, don. two witnesses said that she was slapped on the sidewalk near the cafe. she said she was slapped and then -- or she was grabbed and grabbed her face or hit her. something to that effect. i said all along this is an incident of domestic violence.
she appeared to be the captive in a sense he was the dominant one doing most of the talking. you can tell. pretty classic domestic violence. i think this fits into the overall picture of what they're looking at for the homicide, potential homicide charge. it's a building block and i think there is a lot of other evidence, as well. so i'm convinced he's going to get caught. i'm more focused on the homicide investigation and the building of the case against him. >> you know, we have learned that brian laundrie's mother raberta cancelled camping reservations for two people on august 31st and made new reservations for three people at the same park on september 3rd, two days after brian returned home. what question does that raise for you? >> it raises the question to me with a good amount of investigative experience and others in the same boat. was he -- did they know she was
going to be reported missing? he obviously knows what happened. he's planning ahead for his escape, if you will. they're going on the run. are they staging supplies? are they getting out of the harsh view of theyneighbors and getting to a place where they can privately set up and stage what will happen next? that's the only explanation i can come up with in terms of why they went to that camp ground and the timing of when they were there, as well. >> chris, thank you. this won't be the last time we discuss this unfortunately. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you, don. is there a new way to fight coronavirus? a brand-new pill could change everything. stay with us. carvana's had a lot of firsts. 100% online car buying. car vending machines. and now, putting you in control of your financing. at carvana, get personalized terms, browse for cars that fit your budget, then customize your down payment and monthly payment. and these aren't made-up numbers. it's what you'll really pay, right down to the penny.
stone. the u.s. passing the milestone of 700,000 deaths from covid-19. all 700,000 memorialized on the national mall. there it is right now. that is california. the most populous state in the nation becomes the first to mandate the covid vaccine for those students that want to attend school in person and merck announces an anti viral drug that will cut the hospitalizations of covid and death by 50%. also tonight, american airlines announcing they will have a vaccine mandate for their workers. let's break it down with dr. peter hotez. he's at the texas children's hospital for vaccine development. appreciate you joining us. we have a lot to talk about. we have a sobering milestone. 700,000 deaths from covid. more than any other country. so many deaths were preventable. what is your thoughts? >> don, i'm especially thinking about the last 100,000 deaths,
which occurred during this delta wave over the summer despite the wide spread availability of safe and effective vaccines. so almost all of those 100,000 deaths were among the unvaccinated despite the fact they could have gotten vaccinated. almost all of them were preventable and necessary. i don't call this misinformation or disinformation anymore. i call it death by anti science aggression and this has become one of the leading killers in the united states, far more than global terrorism or cyber attacks and yet, we don't do anything to combat it. i've been calling this death by anti science and writing and speaking about it for a few years and it's just gotten so out of control and it's just completely heartbreaking. >> yeah. you know, with that grim news, there is very promising news from merck to tell everyone about. the first anti viral pill designed for covid-19. how does it work?
is it a game changer? >> yeah, actually the drug was first developed at emory university in atlanta and it was developed as an anti influenza drug and was to inhibit virus replication and subsequently shown it does this for the sars two coronavirus. it's a very interesting mechanism but actually introduces mutations while the virus is trying to replicate and then that eventually stops it cold and the great thing about it is it's an oral pill. it's a lot of pills. i think it's something like four pills twice a day so you wind uptaking 40 pills or so but it works in terms of reducing the hospitalizations by half and in the control group, this was 775 patients with sars 2 coronavirus, there were eight deaths in the control and none in the treatment group. so it's not a huge study but so compelling the data safety monitoring board said stop, this looks like it's really promising
and i think on this basis, merck and company will file for emergency use authorization. it has limits. you have to take it very early on in the course of the illness, probably a day or two after symptoms. you have to know that you're antigen positive. there is infrastructure that has ton put in place but merck is planning on success and trying to produce 10 million tablets by the end of the year. the other exciting part of this, don, is unlike vaccines, which are very hard to reproduce and scale all over the world, this is straightforward. so india makes retro viral drugs, they should be able to make this one and the plans are to have at least five generic manufacturers start producing it. i think the key message to take home for tonight is it's not a substitute for getting vaccinated against covid-19 -- >> let me get to that. real quick, how many pills a
day, you said? >> my understanding is four pills twice a day. so for five days. eight pills a day for five days, 40 pills. >> got it. 40 pills. i thought you were saying in one day. i get it. >> no -- >> i want to drill down on what you said because if the drug is asfective as the company claims, are you worried vaccine he sitat people will say there is a pill i can take, why should i get the shot? >> exactly. i don't want this to be i'ver m -- ivermectin 2.0. there will be a big range how people respond and it's vaccination that will save your life ultimately. >> yeah. so this is not an alternative. you should get the vaccine and if you happen to get covid, this is approved, then take it, right? yeah. >> absolutely. and -- >> okay. so listen, did you want to add something before i talk about california. >> no, no, go ahead.
>> california adding the covid vaccine to the list of required vaccines to attend in person schooling. it will be phased in as the fda approval comes. that could still be as early as the end of this month. so should mandatory covid vaccines be the national standard, sir? >> yeah, ideally. the problem is, don, school vaccine mandates are regulated at the state level. so california is kind of the tip of the spear on this. they're moving forward and i think that's great. i think other states will follow but it's likely to go along a partisan divide, you know, here in texas where we have a very aggressive anti vaccine lobby that lobbies the state legislature. i think we'll be one of the last to adopt it. if we could implement vaccine mandates for the schools, it will get the kids safely through the school year especially because we have approvals pending likely for the 5 to 11-year-olds in a few weeks, the
committee is going to be meeting and the fda will be meeting in october, in the middle of the october so that's really exciting. so the sooner we can do it, the better. i think you'll see a lot of variations state by state. >> all right. doctor, thank you. appreciate it. >> you're the best. thanks. >> thank you. he said it was a credit to jewish people that protesters use the star of david to oppose a mask mandate and take this, now the mayor of anchorage is apologizing. ♪ (vo) subaru presents... the underdogs. they may have lost an eye, or their hearing, or their youthful good looks. but there's a lot of things these remarkable dogs haven't lost... like their ability to lick, wag, and love with the best of them. join subaru in helping underdogs find a loving home and celebrate all dogs during our third annual national make a dog's day.
truly sorry about on boggs to a city mask mandate. listen. >> we referenced the star of david quite a brit here tonight but there's a formal message that came out within jewish culture about that and the message was never again. that's an ethos and that's what that star really means is we will not forget, this will never happen again, and i think us borrowing that from them is actually a credit to them. >> never again? how about never again referencing the holocaust when talking about mask mandates? the anti-defamation league of the southwest. the center right opposes the mask mandates but released a statement that reads, and i quote, if i offend anyone, i am truly sorry.
i understand we should not trivialize what happened to a mask mandate and i want to apologize for any statement that i support or compare what happened to the jewish people in nazi germany. he should apologize because there is no comparison. but apparently this isn't the first equation to the third reich. >> this law should be changing so fast. has nuremberg thought us nothing? >> 1930 germany has many slarts here. >> we know in this room. we know that. thanks for showing your color. >> how many vaccines have you had? have you been a good little nazi? hail nazi, hail nazi, hail nazi!
>> seriously. what do you say to that? all of it, not just the last guy. saying certain things that we shouldn't reach at school? comparing the murder of six million yous to masks and vaccines isn't just offensive, it is unhinged. and yet you hear it over and over and over again. all pushed by republicans like, you know that marjorie woman. and likely media telling their viewers masks are tear any. so let me make this clear to you. vaccines are t not masks. vaccines and masks, excuse me -- vaccines and masks are not nazism. they're not the jim crow south.
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