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most hind october football game in history. how tom brady's face saved everything. good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is monday, october 4th. in a nation infected by misinformation, a whistle-blower comes forward to say that facebook is largely to blame. and the social media company is lying to americans about its efforts or lack thereof, to stop the spread of incorrect and even violent information >> an explosive interview on "60 minutes", a former facebook product manager released tens of thousands of pages of documents she says proves the company allowed the spread of content designed to push hate, anger, and misinformation, and did it
to make a profit. >> one of the consequences of how facebook is picking out that content today is it is optimizing for content that gets engagement or reaction. but its own research is showing the content that is hateful, divisive, polarizing, it is easy toen entire people to anger than other emotions. facebook has realized that if they change the algorithm to be safer, people will spend less time on the site, click on less ads, they will make less money. >> haugen accuses them of helping to fuel the capitol insurrection. >> they told us we're dissolving civic integrity. like, they basically said we made it through the election. we can get rid of siecivic
integrity. they're not willing to invest what needs to been vested to keep facebook safe. they changed it back to prioritize growth over safety. that feels like a betrayal of democracy to me. >> joining us now to talk more about this is cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan. she is taking about changing the settings. the algorithm. they changed the unit, civic integrity, designed to try to consult this assault on democracy. this algorithm, this boogeyman really is a boogeyman. >> unfortunately what i think is her reason for coming forward, which is she lost somebody close to her of a rabbit hole of misinformation. that is a story we hear play out again and again and again in the
united states, loved ones going down the rabbit holes, leading them to not get the vaccine. but essentially what she is saying is sort of what folks, experts have been saying for a long time about fundamentally the facebook algorithm is designed to keep people on the platform longer so facebook can make more money. the best way to do that is to feed them the sort of junk, the extreme content that will keep them there. >> because that is what's good for facebook's bottom line, even if it's bad for america or the world, as she puts it. she's painting this picture where a safety mechanism put in place ahead of the election was really just a performactive thing. >> she's appearing before the senate tomorrow to testify here in washington. and i think this really might be something that senators might dig into.
what happened in the fateful weeks between the election and the insurrection. for as bad as facebook is for all the information that was on the platform leading up to the election, we heard about the safety mechanisms in place to downplay this more extreme content. we saw in the weeks between the election and the insurrection the stop the steal movement exploded entirely on facebook. i remember in the days immediately after the election there was a stop the steal facebook group. i was refreshing it and getting hundreds of thousands of new users every few minutes. facebook did finally shut it down. what were they doing that they stopped doing is a key question. >> a journalist and host of the podcast run tell this. mara, facebook put out a statement, every day our teams
have to balance expressing the need openly and keep the platform a safe and positive place. we continue to make significant improvements to tackle the spread of misinformation and harmful content. to suggest we encourage bad content and do nothing is just not true. in a 21 study, facebook actioned as little as 3% to 5% of hate language and 0.6 of one percentage point of violence and in citement language. >> they have by and large with the same aw shucks ernestness. what we heard flies in the face of that. facebook is not only keenly
aware of the scope of the problem because of their internal research but they are actively and knowingly contributing to the problem. one of the most striking points of what they mentioned yesterday in terms of how the algorithm is changing things, is "60 minutes" pointing out political parties in europe have had to change their policy positions to be more extreme so the messaging can cut through and make some traction on facebook. so the idea that they are doing everything they can is contradicted by what we heard last night. another telling thing that she mentioned, they actually didn't use tools they have to identify misinformation because they didn't have the resources to actually follow-up on it. so we're talking about a trillion dollar company who is not staffing up appropriately to meet this challenge. according to facebook, they put warnings on 190 million pieces of covid information. according to their own research
that, would account for 4% of the total covid misinformation. this is a massive problem. >> they don't have their hands around it. she is going to testify before congress tomorrow, mara. and i wonder, in these revelations are pretty stunning. but in a nation, in a world that is addicted to its social media, what impact do you think this is going to have? . >> yeah. this is an issue really oven forcement. are legislators going to do something to enforce the restrictions already in place. there are restrictions in place against misinformation. they're just not enforced. this is one of the most dangerous things across all social media platforms that we're facing. people by and large believe when they are looking through their feed they are seeing an accurate representation of the world. they are in reality looking in a mirror, looking at their own
beliefs. . >> we're going to see if they can figure it out. so far it seems congress has not been able to do so. mara, donie, thank you so much. it was probably the most anticipated regular season game in football history. let's just call it world history. tom pabrady returns for the fir time. it all came down to this. a missed field goal by the new england patriots. the bucs won 19-17. joining me now is dayle arnold, former boston spokes radio talk show host and analyst with new england sports network and a voice that has brought me joy for decade. dayle, you were at the game last
night. which means you couldn't have possibly slept. i didn't. and i just watched it on tv. >> i'm a big fan of brianna keilar. the only reason i got up at 5:00 a.m. was to talk brady and belichick with berman. that's it. >> that's great. what's better than that? what happened in the stadium? >> i thought the fans handled themselves perfectly. brady got a nice round of applause when he came out for warmup. just prior to the buccaneers coming onto the field, the patriots put together a tribute video. it was for brady and gronk. they didn't know gronk wouldn't be there. they got a rousing standing ovation from the fans. and then when the buccaneers came onto the field for offense for the very first time, they booed the super bowl champion
buccaneers. i thought the fans handled themselves perfectly all night long. . >> people have been saying, you're going to be so conflicted watching this game. it was really nice to see tom brady back. once they started playing, i wanted the patriots to question. that it's what it felt like watching the game in foxborough. >> i think they embraced mac jones to their collective bosoms. he's the old guy. you know, he's the prom date who we just saw at the high school reunion. but we don't care about her anymore because i'm married to you now. it was obvious they were wanting to let mac know. . >> you have been to 14 proms with the other person already, and they were all the best proms ever. you don't hold any resentment, i think, at the end of the day. it was a good game. right? brady played well.
he wasn't transcendent. and the patriots played well, better than they had. >> it wasn't football art in that regard. it was a crummy night at the stadium. you could probably pick that up on television. belichick and his defensive staff did very good with their defensive game plan, keeping tom a bit off stride all night long. his quarterback rating was 70. they did a really good job for him. unfortunately for the patriots, they couldn't run the football a lick. they ran for minus one yard, lowest in franchise history. it was all on the shoulder of mac jones. he did everything he could do. if i'm a patriots fan, i come out of last night's game feeling somewhat positive about the future, even though i'm disappointed as i sit here now at 1-3. >> part of the reason you're disappointed is because you slept 60 minutes of the course of the night. so much hype was about brady and belichick back together for the first time. how would they handle it.
i read this chief from jeff darlington at espn who says belichick has been in the bucs locker room for 20 minutes talking in a private area with tom brady. he entered on his own without anyone else around him. that's very unbelichickian. that's not what darth vader does. . >> it is unbelichickian from the outside. players in the organization will tell you that he has always cared about them, acted differently behind the four walls than he does in public. i wasn't a big surprise that he sought out brady after the game and they had apparently a 20 to 25-minute conversation, which both sides will keep private. i think the animosity between the two sides has been stated over the years. over the course of a 20-year relationship there may be times when the two sides don't get along. but for the most part, they respect each other and
understand what each has meant to the other's careers. and, yeah, i actually think they like each other. >> dayle arnold, next order of business, beating the yankees on tuesday. i appreciate you waking up with us. >> thanks, john. a potential environmental catastrophe racing to contain a huge oil spoil. latest details coming up. democrats running out of time to save president biden's agenda. can progressives and centrists come together? new events between the taliban in afghanistan. new reporting from clarissa ward. ♪ ♪
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month controls congress after next year's midterm election. let's talk with cnn white house correspondent john harwood. okay. who are you watching? . >> the obvious person above everyone else is kyrsten sinema from arizona. she is idiosyncratic. nobody knows exactly what she wants, hence the "saturday night live" sketch over the weekend. joe manchin is a more conventional politician that you can figure, you dial something back, dial something up, and you can make a deal with him. bernie sanders, the democratic socialist senator from vermont, is somebody who can sell the eventual deal to the rest of the caucus and keep people on board. and of course nancy pelosi running the house as the speaker, has a terrific track record of counting votes. she has not been able to get
there yet. i think few people want to bet against her ability ultimately to make a deal with the bridging the gap between mod rats and progressives. but it's going to take a while, a few weeks. it looks like we're on track for the end of october when the temporary extension runs out. >> pelosi is figuring out how to cut a deal to make senators happy, right. . >> which is where sanders will come in to try to sell that as she mix a deal with the mod rats. >> so many moving parts. i do want to talk to you about something that we're seeing. it's a little bit of a trend when it comes to sporting events. the latest was at a nascar race. let's watch. >> she's such an unbelievable home. in brandon, you also told me, you can hear the chants from the crowd. >> let's go brandon. in you told me you were going to hang back the first stages and just watch and learn.
what did you learn that helped you in the closing laps? . >> they're not saying go brandon. >> it was not let's go brandon. >> it was bleeped out. it was about joe biden. we have seen this at a football game, a poxing match and ryder cup. >> you look at the vaccination rates in red states versus blue states, the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, if people feel so strongly that they're willing to defy public health experts because of their political views, it's not surprising that a sporting event, especially a race car track, which is where you've got a pretty conservative clientele. it's not surprising that they would raz joe biden. this has happened for a long time. politicians of both parties getting booed by certain people
in the crowd. but there's an intensity to our divisions now, which is something we haven't seen in a while. the question is how long is that intensity going to last? is anything going to tamp it down. joe biden thought he would do it by his outreach. he is not trying to inflame divisions. some things you can't do too much about. . >> for sure. john harward, thank you for being with us this morning. who was behind president trump's efforts to recovery turn the results of the 2020 election. >> trump is already trash talking a potential 2024 o opp opponent. his new comments about ron desantis next.
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john eastman had a swift rise to become one of the most influential voice in trump's orbit prior to then sur recollection. joining is maggie haberman, washington correspondent for the "new york times" who had a terrific article out over the week. a lawyer trump found on fox news. >> right. >> once he found him and brought him into the orbit, talk about the timeline, the literal blueprint for overthrowing an election. . >> so, it's fascinating when eastman said he was asked by trump to write this memo. because it was around christmas last year. now, that is after the electors are going for joe biden and we know this. that's the december 14th date. december 18th, a wild meeting in the oval office i broke at the time about sidney powell and mike flynn are there with the ceo of overstock arguing that trump can actually seize the voting machines and rerun the election.
he doesn't go with that. a number of advisers were arguing against it. it was a very emotional meeting. trump, according to eastman, reaches out and says, please give me this, you know, plan for how you do this. now, trump doesn't typically ask for memos that way. so i'm a little skeptical that the conversation went quite that way. but he does produce this piece of paper, and that became the basis for what trump was using to push pence to not certify the election for joe biden and to certify it for trump. the thing about the memo is the original plan was this required alternate slates of electors from these states. no state put such an alternate slate forward. suddenly the conversation a couple of days beforehand and in a meeting january 4th with eastman, trump, pence, pence's counsel and chief of staff becomes, well, can you delay it. that was clearly the backup plan. . >> a man who wrote a blueprint
for how to overflow an election is still very much involved with donald trump. . >> he is still talking to him. he is one of the people who is still in his orbit. i think he would like to be more involved than he is. trump with a wide array of legal matters before him. the inner circle is diffused right now. he has not been banished like, say, sidney powell is. . >> i would like to ask you about something the former president said about ron desantis. he has been circumspect when asked about 2024 opponents. if i faced him, ron desantis, i'd beat him like i would beat everyone else. i don't think i would face him. i think most people would drop out. i think he would drop out. >> it's fascinating to me that he addressed it this way for a variety of reasons. he's been pretty careful about what he said, not just about the other candidates but about
desantis. he has been -- not gingerly but barely gone there. he is heeding what some of his own advisers are saying. desantis may run against you even if you decide to run. does trump run, number one. if he does, does anyone else challenge him? he is clearly laying down a marker with desantis here. . >> i wonder what desantis would do. >> i doubt that he would challenge trump, but he probably doesn't like being boxed in this way. . >> twitter has banned him. and in interviews and discussions he likes to say, he doesn't miss twitter at all. he likes the free time. nevertheless, he's asking a federal judge to force twitter to get him back on. >> right. people who are enjoying respite for social media aren't fighting to get back on social media. it's hard to believe what he is
saying about his new statement plan. it raises an interesting question. twitter banned him we know after january 6th. if he isn't a candidate next time, i'm sure they're going to stick with that. if he is a candidate next time, they're going to come under enormous pressure to put him back on and how they respond to that is going to be pretty interesting. . >> that's a twitter thing more than a trump thing. . >> 100%. but the impact is going to be the same. . >> i want to ask about his former campaign manager, corey lewandowski. he has been basically pushed out because of an interaction he had with a fund-raiser. this is trishelle odom. he repeatedly touched me, stalked me and made me feel violated and fearful. i'm coming forward because he needs to be held accountable. he's been pushed aside from the
super pac. >> one note of clarity. they're in the process of pushing him out. they technically can't oversee personnel changes of the super pac. as far as i understand it, lewandowsky is not going willingly. i think we will see more on that. in terms of why this, as you and i know, five years of people around trump trying to separate trump from lewandowsky. i'm not convinced this is the end of lewandowsky, just with this money at least in trump land. there are people who have been trying to focus on his outside clients and suggested he was mishandling that or sort of making himself the face of access to trump in change -- not exchange but the ability to get other clients in service of himself. almost everyone has their own clients at this point. that's not unusual that people have zeroed in on that. there is a difference of saying it on the record.
but it's people trying to basically, you know, warn trump that if you run again, there are going to be these distractions, and this can't be one. we have seen this movie before with other staff. maybe not to this degree. the things that are said in the complaint are really ugly. we will see if that has durability with trump. but most things don't >> red sox/yankees on tuesday. they fold, red sox. >> i don't like either team. . >> you want the red sox. >> i'm a mets fan. i'm not rooting for the red sox. >> is the u.s. turning the corner. >> you get the hook as soon as you say something about the red sox. promising new signs of the pandemic next. > [humming] ♪ i'm paying them no mind ♪ ♪ hands to the sky, all mine and pardon when i shine ♪
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progress in the pandemic. average new cases are at their lowest point since august. 70,000 people are hospitalized right now, down from 100,000 a month ago. average daily deaths below 2,000. cnn's elizabeth cohen are joining us now. look, these are real numbers. a lot of people affected. this is definitely trending in the right direction. >> it is trending in the right direction. remember we were talking back and june, is this the beginning of the end. i think it does give some hope that things might be approximate going better than they were before. let's look at hospitalizations.
when you take a look at deaths, it's not as dramatic. the declean has been very, very small. the deaths follow hospitalizations. so hopefully when we're talking several weeks from now, we will have a death graphic that looks like that hospitalizations graphic. i mean, we're still dealing with about 2,000 people dealing in the united states every day. what would get this recovery to go faster, more people getting vaccinated. if we take a look at the most recent vaccination numbers, nearly 76% of americans have had at least one shot of a covid-19 vaccine and about 64% are fully vaccinated. >> i do want to ask you this talk. there was talk that once the fda-approved vaccines there would be a spike in hospita vaccinations. did that happen?
>> kind of, sort of. it did not happen as dramatically as anyone would like. we were wondering what happened with that. pfizer got full approval august 23rd. we asked the department of health and human services for their numbers. they said, look, when you compare what happened to pfizer in the days following august 23rd, to moderna you do see a difference. let's take a look at this. in the days following the 23rd and the 12 days after, you do see the seven-day average of vaccinations going up 16%. that is a nice spike. moderna went up 5%. it had been doing better in the vaccination rate increases. so there was a switch, and pfizer started doing better. do we know that's because of full approval 100%? no. but that is probably a major reason. both were wreufly short-lived. and then the rates started to go down around september 4th.
so let's take a look at what kaiser family foundation polls say. it seems to matter more than full approval. if you know someone who was ill or died from covid, that was more likely to be like a major reason for getting a covid-19 vaccine. they were participating in certain activities. it was a stronger reason for people wanting to get vaccinated. or seeing hospitals filling up with covid cases. i'm going to quote you back to you. you said fear and fear of missing out. that's what makes people get vaccinated. and i think you nailed it. . >> fear and fomo. that's what fomo is, for the folks who don't know. >> fear and fomo. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. john. >> thanks. we are now near the end of
it. 700,000 people have now died in the united states. tens of thousands of others battling coronavirus in the hospital. so what have we learned and how can we make sure it doesn't happen again? i'm joined by one man who helped guide us through this uncertain time, cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. new book, "world war c." i don't know how you had time to write it. >> we talk about stuff on tv but you do hours and hours of homework to do a few minutes on television. it's been my life really for two years. i've been so immersed. there are several things. the science of the virus. really what does this virus do for the body. how does it cause isolated loss of smell. it is fascinating and important, i think. we're in a whole new era of the virus. the vaccine, how does that, two.
just the science lessons. i wanted to teach that. human behavior. there's been so many surprises. how we evaluate risk. tell somebody is.5% lethal. that was interesting saying let's do everything to be protected. other people say i'm 99% good. same objective data, different subjective interpretations or the things that are novel. kids deal with novel things all the time. adults don't. when was the last time you experienced something for the first time. also, how do you get out of your own way and say let me take this for what it is. a lot of lessons there. . >> yeah. how do you get out of your own way. the united states didn't. and one of the things that you talked about from the very beginning. i remember so early on, february, march, april of 2020, the united states was doing worse than other countries.
yeah. i think there is always this idea that wealth will buy health. we're the united states. we have all of these resources to throw at something. wealthy countries did worse. malaria, tuberculosis, they affected third world countries than developed countries. not so with this disease. why? was it because we waited for the home run hit in the form of a vaccine and couldn't be bothered to use masks and other basic public health measures? perhaps. we think of the idea that we have these diseases of privilege. obesity, heart disease, things that made us more vulnerable to the disease. could that have been a problem? they set us up for worse outcomes. all of these things that you think about made it more likely that wealthy countries were going to do poorer. if you look at all these pandemics, john, the country of
or general of the pandemic is often the country that was the least hard hit. . >> really? >> yeah. . >> so 1918, the pandemic probably started here in the united states. it was countries further and further away from the united states that was harder hit. china, with this pandemic, not as hard hit. why is that? could there be a low level circulating immunity with prevariants? it sets up an interesting question how we surveil going forward. right now we just get hit, all of a sudden we're dealing with it. but there are the preshocks as well. >> i never thought of that. that is something. getting healthier in germ, sanjay, you say is hugely important. . >> dr. robert redfield, who was the cdc director, said we did not show up to this battle with very good armor on. i thought that was an interesting phrase. that was about a year ago we had this conversation. and i started digging.
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operation targeting isis in afghanistan. and this comes after a number of people were killed in an explosion outside a mosque in the center of kabul. cnn's clarissa ward is live from kabul. clarissa, this was the deadliest attack since the u.s. left, right? >> reporter: that's right. we haven't seen anything of this significance in quite some time, brianna. it has made a lot of people feel uneasy. right here in the center of town, the ministry telling us seven people were killed. among them, at least two taliban. now, the target appears to have been the funeral prayers that were being held for the mother of the taliban spokesperson. there were a lot of the taliban leadership present in the mosque at that time. no one has claimed responsibility nor has anyone said who they believe perpetrated the attack. but it is reasonable to assume it may be kaoeus his-k.
there were a series of raids. you could hear gunfire in the night. images being shared on social media. the taliban this morning saying they were targeting an isis safe house and a number of isis-ken surgeents were killed in that attack. this really underscoring, brianna, the challenge of the moment the taliban finds itself in. the one thing they have been able to offer people, their main appeal, if you like, they have been able to bring a modicum of security. there has been a lull in the fighting that of course we were seeing in the years leading up to their takeover. with yesterday's attack and smaller-scale bombings in jalalabad and around, there are now real questions about just how much of a challenge isis-k and groups like it could impose,
brianna. >> can you give us background on isis-k and the taliban and the relationship or lack thereof between these two groups? >> reporter: right. a lot of people probably find it confusing. if you think of militant islamists, you would think they would be fighting on the same side as opposed to each other. when we sat down with a commander a week before the city of kabul fell to the taliban it was interesting to hear his hatred wasn't really directed so much at the united states as it was at the taliban. we pressed him on this. essentially he said his men in and isis-k feel the taliban is not strict enough in terms of their interpretation of sharia law. that might sound very strange to us. they are not chopping enough hands off anymore. they would like to see even more extreme, draconian interpretation of sharia law
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