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in about 28 hours, we will know something important about four individuals and perhaps something vital about the health and possible future of this democracy. keeping 'em honest, it'd be nice
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if there were a gentler way of framing it but it's hard to see how, because in about 28 hours, we'll know whether these four, all former publicer erservants,e any devotion to the laws and institutions they once swore to serve and uphold. whether they owe their allegiance entirely to one man, the former president. former white house chief of staff mark meadows, former aides and allies, dan scavino, steve bannon and cash patel, have until tomorrow night at midnight to answer subpoenas from the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol and the former president's attempt to overturn the election which is the euphemistic phrase we have all come to accept for an attempted coup. in a moment, we will hear from a member of the committee. in the meantime, as we reported last night, dan scavino, the former president's twitter voice is in the wind. multiple sources telling cnn he can't be found to receive the subpoena. as for the other three, we can't say to what degree, if any, they have cooperated with the committee. perhaps the congressman can clear that up in a moment. what we do know is the former president today sent a message
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just as painly as the ones he used to send when he would issue threats to potential cooperators, or as he called them, rats. and we should say we generally do not air the man's rantings at all, however, it is a different story when those rantings show his retrospective support for the last coup attempt and suggest his eagerness for another. now, here is the statement he released. quote, the un-select committee of partisan democrats and two very weak and pathetic rinos should come to the conclusion after spending many millions of dollars that the real insurrection happened november 3rd. the presidential election, not on january 6th, which was a day of protesting the fake election results. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. but it also might be a message to those four who are due to comply with the committee. in short, resist. of course, there is no way of knowing his motives. perhaps he was simply jealous mike pence's remarks the other day, as absurd as they were, grabbed the spotlight for about 24 hours. >> i know the media wants to distract from the biden
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administration's failed agenda by focusing on one day in january. they want to use that one day to try and demean the -- the -- the character and intentions of 74 million americans who believed we could be strong again and prosperous again and supported our administration in 2016 and in 2020. >> i don't know for a fact. i think he practices those things. i think he practices the whole steely look. the whole kind of shoulder wiggle. the whole, like, pence thing. just a guess. that's the guy that rioters said they wanted to kill. literally, kill him. hang him. that video of him being rushed to safety, of course, thanks to the secret service, his family members, too. but he is so compromised by his fealty to his former master, so desperate to be president himself, he's gotten such a little taste of it being vice president that he is trying to excuse the whole affair. just one day in january. that's the lessons he's learned apparently and we will see tomorrow if the people subpoenaed are reading from the same script. probably are. it's behavior not seen since -- well, i mean, i don't know, days of stalin?
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and his crowd of toadying mediocrities? never seen it here really, not ever, until now. don't take it from me. last night i spoke with former national security adviser fee k fiona hill. she is a student and historian of russia and the soviet union. and she worked in the white house and she sees the danger. >> a completely different path than we have been on for the last several hundred years since our independence. we are back on the path to tyranny and i don't say that lightly because once you get someone who has no real respect for the institutions that have been built over hundreds of years, that have been laid down in the constitution and only thinks about themselves, then we have forgotten what this country was about. >> on the road to tyranny. joining us now, congressman peter, democrat of california. member of the select committee. congressman, i really appreciate you being with us. do you -- do you believe the former president's allies whom you've subpoenaed will actually comply by tomorrow's deadline? >> well, what we believe is that it's every american's
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opportunity and their duty to respond to a subpoena like this. and to -- and to tell the truth. that's all we've sought. that's what we're asking. and we feel that if someone wanted to be patriotic and put the constitution first, they would do just that. >> but you know the track record of -- in trump world, i mean, they have proven that not paying attention to subpoenas from the house actually works. it actually, you know, because -- it -- it was a norm that was followed that people would reply to subpoenas but it turns out, the house doesn't really have the -- the power to enforce them. >> well, that's true. in prior times. and i think that we'll see. let's see their level of compliance and then we'll see what the select committee does from there. but we have options. we've been very clear about that. that's been reported, both civil and criminal options. and we have a department of justice who has an open line of
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communication with us. and so, we feel that -- that we have the opportunity to -- to compel them at some point. >> can you say if any of the people you have subpoenaed have -- i mean, have you been able to serve some of them? has dan -- have you been able to serve dan scavino? because all the reporting we had was that as of now, he has not been served. >> i've seen that reporting, as well. and we're going through the proper steps and i'm not going to get into all the investigative steps and -- and maybe we need to, you know, look in dan scavino's mom's basement for him. but, you know, we'll -- we'll do what we need to do. and we have the appropriate help in order to -- to facilitate that. >> you talked about criminal options. what kind of -- i mean, are you talking about a criminal referral to the department of justice? and what -- what would that -- how would that work? >> that's one of the tools for noncompliance. the committee would have to make a vote and the house would ultimately have to make a vote to send something to department of justice. what we've said and what the chairman has said very clearly is that those are options that are available to the committee. but let's step back. let's wait for the deadline both
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for material as well as further testimony to come before us. once those deadlines lapse, then the committee as a whole will -- will look at the alternatives and -- and take action that's accordingly. >> cnn is reporting that the former number two official at the trump justin department, richard donoghue, sat for an interview with your committee this past friday. can you tell us anything about that? >> i can tell you that the committee is making progress. that there are staff-level meetings and interactions that are informal as well as interviews that are taking place throughout the month. we'll continue to make progress. members are engaged in this process. and our ultimate goal here is to produce a report that lays out exactly what happened on january 5th and january 6th and the events that led up to that. that's our goal. that's our focus. and -- and that's what we are attempting to do here. >> we just learned the facebook whistle-blower will be meeting with your committee as soon as
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tomorrow. has she provided information to your committee? what do you hope to learn from her? >> i'm aware of that reporting, and it's my understanding that she indicated she was going to come and talk to the committee while she was on capitol hill earlier today. so, you know, let's -- i'll allow those conversations, you know, to happen. and let's see what can come of it. like i said, there are different levels of -- of meetings and -- and discussions that are being had. some at the staff level. and some involving members and investigators that are more formal. and so, we have these tools available to us and we're going to continue to meet with anyone who has information or seeks to -- to provide us information that can help us in ultimately producing a report that talks about the facts and the importance of making sure that this doesn't happen, again.
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>> just lastly, i'm wondering, you know, we -- i really stopped reading the former president's, you know, statements that -- that they put out. this one did sort of rise to the top of the cesspool of mar-a-lago and i saw it and we mentioned it tonight. when you hear the president saying the real insurrection was election day, i -- i know, you know, that the bar has been lowered so low for this person. but, you know, to think that a former president of the united states is calling an election day that was actually wildly successful in the midst of a pandemic. more people coming out than ever before. republicans and democrats voting. it was an extraordinary election. republicans did very well, all across the country. just the president lost. the idea that he is calling that the real insurrection -- what do you think about that? >> that his homeland -- his own homeland security department said was -- was a free and fair election. and his attorney general at the
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time said -- said the same thing. so, you know, it's just so detached from reality but i think the american public sees right through this. they know the lies and the deception that -- that -- that he stokes to -- to pursue. and -- and it's unfortunate and difficult but it shows the importance of the work that the select committee is going to do here because we need to separate fact from fiction. and clearly, there is a lot of fiction that comes out of -- out of his former tweets and his current -- however he puts these statements out. but we're going -- we're going to get to the truth, and we're going to do it in -- in a thoughtful way and to make sure that we take in as much information as possible, and we compel folks to come give that testimony. >> congressman aguilar, appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> joining us now, cnn contributor and former nixon white house counsel, john dean. john, you heard the congressman. can you just expand on what legal options, really, there are for the committee if -- if these people don't comply? because again, i mean, the -- the -- the track has -- you know, the playbook has been
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written by the trump administration on how subpoenas can be handled from the house which is just, you know, as don mcgahn did, ignore and, you know, it gets delayed for two years. and then, nobody pays attention. >> very effectively, the trump people actually left the house rules in shambles. when don mcgahn started litigating the whole issue and refusing, don mcgahn really prevailed, notwithstanding any gloss to the contrary. he -- he really showed the house had no enforcement mechanism. they had a compromise settlement that got him in front of the committee. but that had a three-judge panel rule that the house has no civil remedy to enforce its subpoenas. well, that got vacated. the argument didn't go away. anderson, the biggest surprise to me is that the house has not gotten itself in shape. there are procedures that could implement. ted lieu, congressman from
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california, my congressman, as a matter of fact, introduced a resolution to the house rules that would give them a tool to enforce fines against people who refuse to honor subpoenas. and they could get quite significant. it could get up to $25,000 for the first hit, up to 100 and this could start repeating itself. that will get people's attention if they have to pay that kind of money. >> who would have to approve that, though? >> the house itself. it would -- >> it would have to go through the senate, as well? >> no, does not. the senate actually has a statute where they can enforce civil -- civil proceedings to enforce their subpoenas. >> right. >> the house doesn't believe, i think at this time, they'd ever get the senate republicans to go along with enacting a law that would give them the same thing on their books. so the internal remedy is -- is the best one, i think. >> so, i mean, can somebody just avoid being served with a -- i mean, if dan scavino is, in fact, avoiding being served with
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subpoena, is that a strategy that works? >> for a while. there are notice procedures. i don't know where he resides but they can probably find his residence. and there are posting notice procedures that, after awhile, dodging the server doesn't work where there are other ways to get to them. but it's stalling, again. and it indicates to me that's what they are going to do. >> john dean, appreciate it. thank you. up next, we have breaking news in search -- in the search for brian laundrie. there's some new information from the family attorney on when they say now he actually disappeared. and later, on a uplifting note, william shatner, perhaps the most famous space voyager who's never really been into space is about to change that. his thoughts on his his thoughts on his upcoming rocket ride and so much more. it's kind of a wild conversation. >> are you in training? and is there any -- i mean, i know you talk about rehearsals but i mean -- >> all the time.
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new developments in the search for brian laundrie. there is a new timeline on his disappearance before his fiancee, gabby petito, was found dead. and new information on the car that he seems to have left behind. also, petito's family speaking out about where her body was actually discovered in wyoming. and we've just learned about a significant new request by law enforcement to a laundrie family member. randi kaye joins us now from florida with details. so i understand there is some new information about when exactly laundrie disappeared? >> reporter: exactly, anderson. we have that information. we are also just moments ago getting word from the laundrie family attorney that chris laundrie, brian laundrie's father, has been asked to -- to take part in the search, to join the search in the carlton reserve for his son. apparently, as you know, that has been closed to the public. but the lawyer says that the family of both the mother and father of brian laundrie have been anxious to get into that
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reserve, because it's the only place where they believe their son may be. so we don't know when that's going to happen, but he has been asked to join that search. and in terms of the timeline, anderson, the lawyer is also telling cnn that brian laundrie left home on september 13th now, which is actually a day earlier than we had originally been told by the family and by the lawyer. so now, that day is the day that the family says they saw him last. when he left home with just a backpack, leaving his cell phone and wallet behind. but if you take note of that date on the 13th, that's just two days after gabby petito was reported missing. so, he -- he seems to have disappeared on that day. and also, they reported -- the laundries reported brian laundrie missing on september 17th. so now, if he left on the 13th, that's a full four days before they reported their son missing to authorities and directed them to that carlton reserve where they have been searching, anderson. >> so, what's the new information about the car belonging to the laundrie family that was found at the reserve?
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>> reporter: cnn also confirmed today that an abandoned vehicle notice was placed on a mustang car belonging to the laundrie family on september 14th. that car was found at the creek park that's at the entrance to the carlton reserve. it was also part of the information that was in this redacted police report which is also dated on september 14th. the lawyer also telling cnn that brian's father went to the reserve, went to that area. looked for brian laundrie on the evening of september 13th when he didn't come home. then, the lawyer says that the parents, both of brian laundrie's parents, went back on september 14th to look again. they didn't see him but they did see the citation on the car. and then, on the 15th, the very next day, the lawyer says both of brian laundrie's parents went back to that area and picked up the car and drove it home. >> and -- and for gabby petito's body, i understand her family disclosed some information about where it was actually found? >> reporter: right. many of her family members were on dr. phil today and her
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stepfather spoke about collecting rocks and flowers. and putting a cross in the area in wyoming where her remains were found. he talked about it being in the spread creek dispersed camping area, which is in the bridger teton national forest and here is how he described that area. >> it was in an area where there was a few trees. and there was the remnants of a -- a fire ring there. and you could see where those rocks had been moved to make the fire ring. there was a clearing where i would assume, knowing i have a similar tent where i would place my tent and that opening would face out overlooking the -- the mountain range. and her body was found -- i guess it would be in front of a tent -- or if that's what was there or just in front of the fire ring. there was definitely a fire ring there. and she would have been right -- >> and it wasn't far from the van. it was five-minute walk, you said? something like that.
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>> reporter: and her stepfather described it as being not a heavily trafficked area. and he's right. as you know, anderson, we went to wyoming to follow gabby's path on this adventure out west. and we went to the spread creek camping area. we found the area where this video blogger had said she had last seen what she believed was gabby's van parked. we went to that area and you can see that area where the van would have been parked likely was right next to the road, but beyond that are trees, and if you look beyond that, which we did, there is this open land, this clearing, the stepfather was talking about. certainly just a few minute walk from where that van was likely parked as he said. and -- and there is really nothing around there. it's not a place where people would -- would hang out or maybe even see anyone who might be out in that area, anderson. >> randi, appreciate it. thanks very much. perspective now on all of this from cnn law enforcement analyst anthony barksdale.
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anthony, i'm wondering what you make of this reporting from randi kaye about the search that according to the lawyer for the laundrie family, chris laundrie's been asked to assist law enforcement in finding his son in the nature preserve. is there any reason why law enforcement would ask that? or is that something a family member would ask to be part of the search? >> well, i would think that they want to bring him in, involve him. maybe, he -- he knows something. where he would share with them, hey, this is the favorite spot, this is what he preferred when he came out in the wilderness. so it's -- it's something that is a little odd to me, but i can see them doing it. it's -- it might work. >> does it -- does it surprise you that it's been this long? i mean, more than three weeks with no, you know, breakthrough in -- in the search? >> yes, it does. and it is concerning. we know, the longer this takes, it's -- it's just not good. if the trail goes -- goes cold,
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if your dogs aren't -- aren't catching scents, if your manpower gets tired, you really have to look at how much you're using and effort to find him. >> what do you make of the -- the fact that the laundrie family or at least the attorney came out and had to correct the date that they had given of when their son actually left home? i don't -- does that make any sense to you, why they wouldn't have known what day it was or why it took this long for them to correct that? >> i find it suspicious. i -- they're -- they're not guilty of anything at this point. but three weeks later, we're dealing with a homicide investigation of laundrie's girlfriend. and your memory, you can't recall when you're talking to the fbi of all people about a timeline? you get it straight. so, if -- if they messed up
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there, if that needed a correction, what else needs to be corrected with the statements that they've given law enforcement? so, i find it concerning and it is an area where i would definitely tell investigators to keep pushing, because if they got that wrong, what else is wrong? >> because, i mean, we are just now learning that brian laundrie's car was found, or car belonging to the laundrie family was found abandoned on september 14th by the nature reserve. haven't -- i mean, investigators haven't been releasing very much information from the start. is this them trying to protect any leads that they might have? >> it -- i'm not sure how they want to play this, but i'll tell you this, anderson. when i -- when i saw the information about the vehicle having a citation on it, i immediately thought about how berkowitz was caught, the son of sam. so it matters. it all comes together under this investigation.
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but it really was troubling that -- the way that that came out. >> as i recall in the berkowitz case, he had parked his car, he was the person going around in new york shooting -- shooting, i think, mostly women, and he had parked his car and that's sort of -- that was the first lead to which police were able to follow to actually get him. >> and that's -- i'm not saying that laundrie is berkowitz, but sometimes, just the basic parking ticket, a basis citation, can trigger things in an investigation. now, do we think that the parents would have told them that, oh, we were wrong, if that hadn't have been the case, if that wasn't brought up by investigators? i doubt it. >> right. it seems like -- 4 i -- you know, were they correcting themselves simply because the police had said, oh, actually, the car was found on
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there is breaking news on capitol hill. with just 12 days to go until the possible first default in u.s. history, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell has
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offered a short-term suspension of the debt ceiling. a deal democrats say they will accept. cnn's ryan nobles joins us now. so talk about how this happened, what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, well, they're still working out the finer points of this negotiation, anderson. the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell left about 30 minutes ago, he said they're trading paper, trying to figure out a path both sides can agree to in what will essentially be a temporary fix to this problem. and what mcconnell is offering is that he would allow a bill that would extend the debt ceiling in exchange for it just being temporary and being assigned to a specific number that they would allow the debt ceiling to rise to. now, the democrats have cautiously agreed to that. but they are concerned that it's going to come with some additional addendums that mcconnell, for instance, is going to force them to pass it on a more long-term basis through the reconciliation process, which they are opposed to, so, that's what they are hashing out right now. exactly what form and fashion
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this negotiation looks like before democrats agree to it and before they can finally move forward with getting this legislation moved on and avoiding that calamity of the debt ceiling being eclipse the. >> so it's a short-term solution. what are the next steps? >> reporter: we don't know what the next steps are, frankly, anderson. this is only a temporary fix. once they pass this and -- and get over this hump, this same exact problem that they're dealing with right now is going to be a problem again at the end of november as we head into december and the christmas holiday. and it's going to come, also, at a same time where they're negotiating these big, big budget issues in terms of the bipartisan infrastructure plan and, of course, that expansion of the social safety net which there is a big impasse around. so, they aren't solving any problems here, let's be very clear about that. they are essentially just kicking the can down the road so that the country avoids a default. but the problems here are still going to exist. >> all right, ryan, thanks very much. back to the breaking news we reported earlier. cnn has learned the facebook whistle-blower who released thousands of documents she says shows the company knows its platforms are used to spread hate, violence, and
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misinformation is expected to meet with the january 6th select committee as soon as tomorrow. meanwhile, "the wall street ge journal" is reporting that same testimony slowed rollout of new products and put a hold on some existing products at facebook. this is reportedly so facebook can conduct, quote, reputational reviews to examine how it may be criticized, and to ensure products don't adversely impact children. that's what facebook is -- that's what "wall street journal" is reporting. joining us now to talk about that is scott galloway, professor at nyu marketing school of business where he teaches digital marketing. so, scott, this "wall street journal" report that facebook has slow -- slowed the rollout of some new products. is that significant do you think? >> you know, i feel as if it's kind of the -- it's their go-to. delay and obfuscation. and what strikes me is we're very focused on what facebook is or isn't going to do, whereas that's the wrong question. we should be asking, what are we going to do? they go to this playbook of delay and obfuscation, wait
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until the hysteria calms down or the discourse calms down and they go right back to what they do, which is enraging us. so i think the better question is what are we going to do? >> do you think people -- you know, people's attention lasts very short on these sorts of things. and as you said, you know, another outrage or another thing comes along the following day and people move on. and -- and they like -- you know, people use facebook. >> yeah, but supposedly, we elect this body called or senators and our congresspeople to think long-term for us and to stick and be steadfast around these issues. and what struck me as kind of typical for this is a bunch of senators said they were planning to write stern letters to facebook. i think what needs to happen is our lawmakers need to start making laws. i mean, i was even thinking today, anderson, we age gate alcohol, certain adult content. what's more dangerous for your 17-year-old daughter? watching "deadpool" or having extreme diet sites recommended to her? it's -- it's kind of enough. we know what facebook's going to
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do. the better question is, what are we going to do? >> when last we spoke on monday night, it was before frances haugen's testimony before congress. i'm wondering what you made of what she said. her -- her attorney said on a "washington post" live feed that -- that there's more to come. that, you know, only some of the documents have been made public, thus far. >> i'll tell you, anderson, i don't -- i trust you saw the testimony. she strikes me as literally the perfect witness. it's as if they took edward snowden and gave him supersoldier serum and turned him in -- i mean, she literally oozes america. very credible. said, i don't know, i have no access to that information. i think she's a nightmare for facebook. so, i would imagine that, not only that, think about how well orchestrated this. a series of investigative journalism pieces. a national television rollout, a website that's launched. i mean, she came to play. this is really interesting. if this witness can't get something done or can't catalyze
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some sort of activity, then -- then this really is just theater. there really is no action that comes from anything. >> you know, part of her argument is look, they are just out for the money. they are doing things that they know are not good. i mean, isn't that a lot of companies? isn't that a lot of cable news shows which are, like, you know, screaming and yelling and they know it's not good and they're getting people angry and riled up? isn't -- i mean, isn't that not good? >> 100%. they're not doing anything -- other media outlets aren't doing. they are just doing it much better and for some reason, we have exonerated them from any liability. if cnn or any other cable network could be reverse engineered to teen depression or if you were taking ads from the russian intelligence arm or the intelligence arm of the russian government, you'd be in a world of hurt. facebook -- we have been talking a lot about the meta-verse recently and the reason it's got all this attention, what if mark zuckerberg controls a world where we start spending more and more time, wouldn't that make him god? we have a 30-something-year-old
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college dropout who is kind of in my view demonstrated a lack of concern for the commonwealth who controls the algorithm that feeds the content in our emotion and our rage, if you will, to a population that's greater than the southern hemisphere, plus india. what could go wrong? this is terrifying. and we're seeing evidence of this everywhere. you can see levels of admittance to emergency rooms of self-harm among girls start to explode just as instagram was acquired by facebook. mark zuckerberg is the most dangerous person in the world, and this gestault around money being able to overrun any reasonable sense of regulation by big tech has turned this into -- has turned these companies into what i call the menace economy and some are worse than others but we have regulated other industries. it's just very strange that we've decided to let these firms get away with things that we would let no other firm get away with. >> scott galloway, appreciate it. thank you, scott. >> thank you, anderson.
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still ahead. my conversation with william shatner about his upcoming trip to space. i think i'd be -- i mean, i would want to be staring out the window the whole time. >> glued! i want to spresz my nose up against the plastic window. what i don't want to see is somebody else out there looking back at me. no, no, we don't -- we don't want that one. ♪ i've always been running. to meetings. errands. now i'm running for me. i've always dreamed of seeing the world. but i'm not chasing my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day. ♪ there was a dream ♪ ♪ and one day i could see it ♪ at northwestern mutual, our version of financial planning helps you live your dreams today. find a northwestern mutual advisor at go with simparica trio it's triple protection made simple! simparica trio is the first and only monthly chewable that covers heartworm disease,
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twilight zone fans first knew him in "nightmare at 20,000 feet," which is ironic that eve everyone, as in nearly every single person on the planet who has ever turned on tv or gone to the movies now known as the boldest space voyager of his time. now, he will be heading to the stars for real in jeff bezos's new shepherd rocket. >> and new shepherd has cleared the tower, on her way to space with our first human crew. >> sure, it will only be a few minutes of weightlessness, but when he made the twilight zone appearance in october 196 3,
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only six americans had ever done what he is about to do next week. we spoke shortly before air time for my online show "full circle." william shatner, i am delighted that you are getting this experience, and delighted to have you on the program. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. thank you, anderson cooper. i love to say your name. anderson cooper just rolls off. >> first of all, you look amazing. i look like i'm ravaged by time. you look extraordinary. >> no, no. i, too, am ravaged by time. >> so -- >> my -- mine's mostly internal. your -- yours comes out in bad skin. but mine, i'm falling -- i'm falling apart inside. you should see my kidneys. >> is that right? well, i'm dead inside. so, you know, emotionally -- you know, i don't know. i love how you announced this to the world with a tweet. you said, so now i can say something, yes, it's true, i'm going to be a rocket man. is this -- i mean, obviously, you know, look, you've been in "star trek."
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had you ever thought about actually being able to go up into space? >> no. i mean -- i -- i'm so sorry to -- to bring you down to earth, to use a phrase. it was all pretend. none -- none of that -- i was on a set in paramount studios. >> what do you mean, bill? what? >> i never -- you know, when -- when shooting "star trek," it was all a figment of our collective imagination. and -- and then, somebody said, oh, you go 1,800 miles an hour and you leave orbit and you go and you land on the moon. land on the moon? oh, my lord. space travel was being considered but -- and i used to -- i'd go down to the cape kennedy from time to time during the series i was shooting "star trek." and i met all the astronauts and the heroes and everything and i was very impressed. so when they went to the moon, i had reached -- they were at the apogee. i was divorced and the show
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cancelled and i am looking up there. >> oh, man. >> looking at a little black and white -- and i'm lying in a -- in a cab trying to find -- to get some sleep because i have to perform -- perform the next day and i can't afford a hotel room and all that kind of thing. so 55 years later, i wrote a song for this album i've got that's out there now called "bill." >> yeah, you've got a spoken-word album that's just come out? that's so cool. >> it's getting rave reviews and one of the songs is "so far from the moon." and it's all about that moment when i was looking at the sky, being so far from the moon and here i am, all this time later, being a few thousand feet closer to the moon than you are -- will be. >> the thing is, you have to play your new record when you're up in space. and that's probably going to be -- >> i would love to. >> you know, that should be the soundtrack for your -- your journey into space. >> right. but -- but they're jealously
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guarding all their publicity. this is all about blue origin. this is blue origin's moment in time and they want -- but it is actually -- actually, to say a word about blue origin. they are fabulous. the only thing i hadn't seen unfortunately was the rocket that you just played. >> yeah. >> all that fire and brimstone. i hadn't seen that footage before. >> oh, really? because i was actually there for the launch. >> oh, my gosh, you're showing it again. >> it's really powerful. >> i know! and things like that go up and boom in the night and it's -- it's a little scary, i got to tell you. >> yeah, some people made fun of the way the rocket looks, but i think it's cool, i like it. the weightless thing, i think, would be fun. >> well, now, there's nothing to be -- nothing to -- to make fun of. we're inseminating the -- the -- the space program. >> you know what? i threw that out there.
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i didn't know if you were going to pick up on it and you did and i love you for it. >> well, leave it to you to throw it out there for somebody else to pick it up. it certainly does look -- when they say insertion, do they really mean insertion? >> yeah. >> i -- i'm -- i'm looking forward to the whole thing. i've been there. i was there last week rehearsing whatever they call it. >> training, i think is what they call it. but, you know, rehearsing works. >> training. i think of it as rehearsal. i want to go warp speed. take me to warp speed. and -- and they say what? and -- and the weightlessness absolutely is entrancing. >> yeah. >> i mean, imagine being weightless and you're thin enough but i'm not. imagine being weightless and staring into that blackness and seeing the earth. that's what i want to absorb. that's what i want to see, firsthand. >> it goes by fast, though.
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on their flight, on bezos's flight, they were throwing skittles at each other and catching stuff. it looked like a lot of fun. i would want to be staring out the window the whole time. >> glued! i want to press my nose up against the plastic window. what i don't want to see is somebody else out there looking back at me. no. no, we don't -- we don't want that one. >> oh, my god. that's really funny. >> wouldn't that be funny? >> the other thing i think is so cool about the -- the spacecraft they are going in is that it comes back and it lands upright. i mean, which i don't know anything about science. i skipped a lot of those classes. but i -- to me, that's just incredible. >> that is incredible for it to come up. what's going to be more incredible is that little pod. >> yeah. >> that it, too, comes down. >> yeah, i know. >> and lands upright. >> i know. now, do you -- i know this is a dumb question. do you know what you're going to wear? because i know they have
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outfits. like, are you going -- are you going to bring -- i'm sure there's some like "star trek" fans wondering if you are going to bring a little taser or anything? >> they are making -- they are making a space suit for me and i want it in pink. >> oh. >> with a little red there. and shiny buttons going down. they're -- they're cloaking us in blue because blue origin. >> yes, i know. >> and we're -- it's -- it's made to order. >> you are not going to bring any mementos, any -- any -- anything with you? >> i am. they have allowed me to take a little blue bag full of mementos, so i have got family and friends collecting little mementos so i can bring it up. they will stay in that little blue box. blue satchel. you can't sell it. can't monetize it. you know, there's the -- i was reading about the coin they're going to mint for a billion dollars. you can't say this is an nft. no. this is for your little
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purposes. so i've got three or four little trinkets from people. >> are you in training? is there any -- i mean, i know we talked about rehearsals, but i mean -- >> all the time. i'm running miles, miles. i've -- what i'm doing is taking the best training is to fill my lungs and let the air go back out. this exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide is very important. >> i read that. i got a breath coach. >> my fear is, as you go up, that you can't draw a breath. that apparently is not going to happen. but that's what they said. i am quite apprehensive, as you might have guessed. >> you seem really nervous. >> i'm a little nervous ant that. >> are you? >> i really am. there's an element of chance here, man. >> there is. >> this isn't like going on one
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of the various life-ending possibilities i've done all my life. >> right. >> i've been on things that, oh, that makes me nervous. this makes me more nervous. >> you ride horses fast, and -- >> i've rode a big motorcycle from chicago to los angeles, all that traffic. three days. faced death hour by hour. >> this is nothing. >> i'm more afraid. but when i come back, imagine the sanguinity and the ease and the peace that we can talk about, and more importantly is what will i see when i'm out there. >> you're going to be transformed. it's going to be a new you come back to earth. >> yeah, because not only will i look at the majesty of space and the oasis of earth, but isn't there a possibility that things fly by as we've seen on cameras? >> yeah. >> it's one of those.
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what's the explanation of that? >> it's possible you could be grabbed and probed by some alien life form and then returned to earth and have a vague memory of it. >> yeah. >> being probed by an alien. thank you. >> so i hope i can talk to you when you come back. >> before you do that, the question i have to ask you, sir, he or she is advancing on me, my question is what are you probing for. >> that's a good question. so i've now kind of -- i mean, i'm freaked out by videos we've seen. i have interviewed pilots who have seen these things. i'm a believer. >> i'm freaked out, man. i am. >> do you believe there is some
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sort of other life form from some other galaxy or is this just like drones? >> you've asked a complex question. >> in a not very well phrased way, but yes, i appreciate that. >> i have seen because our knowledge comes secondhand except me seeing space, but i have been told by the guy who saw it that there are extreme files living in 600 degree fahrenheit water and sulfur 30 feet below the ocean, and in sulfur and they're alive, these worms and these clams. so are these ufos being piloted by worms and clams? i don't know. >> people are talking about it. it could be. >> i know. but they're unidentified, that's for sure. who's flying them, well, that's the question. >> i love that you said all of our knowledge is secondhand. >> well, it is. two plus two is four, yeah,
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okay. thank you, sir. two plus two is four, you know. but i'm going to experience the knowledge of space firsthand. >> william shatner, it's a pleasure to talk to you. you're so funny, and talented and i just am tickled and coughing. >> i would like to do this again if and when i come back. >> i would be honored to. that's a deal. i would absolutely love to do that, but you may be at such an elevated plane of consciousness that this just seems completely even more meaningless than it may seem to you right now. >> i don't mind taking a step down. maybe i can convince you of the wonderment of nature. >> i would love to be imbued with a small fraction of knowledge that you will have in the time you are up there, three minutes.
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>> three minutes. three minutes. don't demean it with 30 seconds. >> with the nose pressed against, don't fog it up. you got to control your breath. thank god you're doing breath exercises. >> that's the other thing. it all comes around. >> imagine fogging it up, i can't see out the window. >> wait a minute, let me. >> that's right. oh, my god, that's terrible. i hope they have a dehumidifier. >> like your training coach said, just. >> no, no, don't blow up, that's the thing they say. suck it in. don't blow it up for three minutes. so when i watch you go up, when i see this, and i'm going to be watching, i'm going to imagine you weightless screaming suck it up, suck it up, i like it. >> i may not use those words. >> probably not. probably best not to. william shatner, thank you so much, i wish you the best, god
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speed, speedy recovery, and return, i should say, and i look forward to talking to you again. >> me too. it's a pleasure talking to you, my friend, bye bye. >> william shatner, 90 years old, i love the guy. again, that was on full circle. it's online on a lot of fun conversations. circle or watch it there and on the cnn app at any time on demand. we'll be right back. i'll shoot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? yep. i'm the all-in-one management software built for small business. high thryv! ow. get a free demo at
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breaking news to close out the program. we just got word that a federal judge in texas has issued a order blocking the six week abortion man. u.s. district judge is a victory for abortion rights advocates but maybe temporary. a lawyer from the texas attorney general's office has made it clear the state would appeal such an order if the u.s. court of appeals for the 5th circuit. that court is known to be perhaps the most conservative in the country and previously