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hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. we have a packed day ahead. president biden and the challenge of selling his ambitious agenda. most democrats still favor going bold, but even within the president's party, there are doubts his plan will make things much better. plus, subpoena showdown. the committee investigating the insurrection now faces a credibility test as it responds to trump allies who refuse to cooperate. and beam me up. jeff bezos, "star trek's"
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william shatner bravely goes to the edge of space as a tourist. the 90-year-old actor reflects on the journey. >> here comes our crew back into the desert. newest astronauts 596, 97, 98 and 99. the capsule touchdown. welcome back. the news to astronauts. audrey powers, william shatner. >> what you have given me is the most profound experience i've ever had. >> we'll go back to that dramatic story in a moment, but we begin this hour with president biden and his ambitious agenda and brand new polling on what you think. the president's standing is a bit stronger than what some other recent polling suggests. there are two big biden challenges, managing relationships within the biden family and selling his plan that would make your life better. the north star reporting heading into a midterm election year, where does the president stand with the american people?
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50% in our brand new poll released right now approve, 49% disapprove. an even split in our polarized time. you would like it to be a little better, but that's not bad. 50% approval rating for the president. what do americans think about this big economic agenda? a mix of climate change, social safety net. most of them say go big. 40% of americans say do it all, get that done here in washington. 40% say fewer proposals. 29% say don't pass anything. here's the challenge for the president. how do you move these numbers and what to do? if you look even just among democrats, the president knows this is going to be democrats alone here when the votes in congress happen. but look, 75% of democrats still want to go bold. they want it all, all those safety net proposals, pre-k, free community college, more
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climate change. 75% say go bold, 20% say fewer proposals and 4% say don't pass the bill. you could go into the meeting with the centrists and say the rest of the party wants to go bold. but there are some contradictions in our polling, if you will. who is doing more to help the democratic party right now? 49% say the progressives who want that big, bold agenda are doing more. but 51% say moderate, so the democratic party is evenly split on which side of the party, which pieces of the party best represent their views right now. so go bold but listen to the moderates is a bit of a conflict here. here is the biggest challenge for the president and his party right now. they are failing to sell this agenda to the american people in terms of how it would change your day-to-day life. only 25% of americans, one in four, think if the democrats pass this big bill it's going to make my life better day to day.
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only 25% think that. a third say i'd be worse off. 43% say about the same. tough to say we're going to spend 3, $4 trillion if your life is going to be about the same. the president has to do a better job selling even among democrats. republicans don't like it. that doesn't surprise anyone in these polarized times. 55% say it would make things worse, 32% say things would stay the same. he needs some support from democrats out in the country. only half the democrats think in ambitious a -- this ambitious agenda would make things better. the challenge is not only to reach agreement in congress, it's to convince democrats and the rest of the country this would actually help. pete buttigieg says, we can get there. >> this represents a stronger
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life for our country. we're building back, whether we're talking about physical infrastructure or just making it easier to raise a child, to get through life, to participate in the economy in this country. progressives believe in that, moderates believe in that, the president believes in that and we're going to get it done. >> in the studio to discuss these numbers, rachel bade, co-author of "political playbook, michelle kim, and mr. david chalian. let's start with mr. chalian. the idea of what people think right now, what people think right now, 25% of the country, only 25% of the country at this moment thinks that if the democrats pass something, they will be better off. they have a giant hill in front of them on the sales challenge. >> that number really jumped out at me. i thought it was stunningly low. it's a clear failure to date to
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actually sell what it is the democrats are trying to do to the american people broadly. there's been so much debate for months now. we've heard about top line numbers going back and forth, and you can hear the frustration in democratic leaders in congress. nancy pelosi says all the time, it's not about the top line, it's what's in it. that has not gotten past the beltway to actually start selling -- when you know you look at other polling, popular items are part of the substance of this. that is not getting through to the american people. >> what do they say when you ask about that at the biden white house? look, there's been a debate in the white house, a $6 trillion package, now we have to roll it back to 3.5, and now it's going lower. you can't write the policy particulars until you know how much money you have to spend, and yet they have the american people listening to all these numbers and they don't understand, that means free pre-k, that means free community college, that means child care.
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>> right, and the white haouse acknowledged they have a broader problem with what's in it, which is why president biden is launching a new national tour to sell the plan in connecticut later this week. you heard press secretary jen psaki talk about provisions a lot more during her briefings. but one problem is they haven't agreed on a package, so we can't tell readers what's in the package until we know what's in it. then the challenge is to meet democrats and sell the plan once that's public. but another challenge is when you're putting together the agreement to actually deliver those benefits to voters. that's another struggle that democrats are really grappling with right now. for example, some of the expanded medicare benefits, right now it may not kick in for another seven years, in the year 2028. will voters vote on that for the year 2022?
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that's a big challenge right now. >> and in ten midterms, obamacare was drafted and they got smoked. in the midterms later that year, it became more popular. you watch a show, joe manchin is on tv saying, no, make it smaller and make it cost less. nancy pelosi said we promise to go bold. who is doing more to help the democratic party? well, if you are under the age of 45, you say, the progressives are doing more. let's have that big, ambitious agenda. the young energy tends to be more liberal, more progressive. if you ask people over the age of 45, 57% say, no, the moderates can limit spending. >> i think it is totally reflective of what we're seeing when we talk to voters out in the country, but i think a couple numbers that stood out to me despite those divisions was that more than eight out of ten
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democrats, or democrat-leaning voters, or those who were surveyed said they approve of the president's handling of these negotiations. i think when you talk about these divisions, that's the number the white house would point to, saying they're happy with the way the president would try to negotiate with both sides and come up with something in the middle. also, 80% of those surveyed said though support the president. now, even with the divisions, he's sort of holding the party together which is important looking ahead to the midterms when those democrats need to turn out. >> i'm looking forward to the next couple weeks when the democrats say, we can do this. they're trying to do it by the end of the month. can we reach an agreement? can we spread it out? polling is pretty weak. you should never invest in just one poll. this is ours, we love it and trust it, but this does show the president in a stronger position
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here. 88% of democrats approve of his job as president. roughly within the margin of error. among independents, 45%, republicans, up a little bit. at some point he's going to have to say let's get to the finish line. he is in pretty good standing and he can say that to members of congress, democrats across the country are with me. >> i think democrats are looking at these polls and deciding how much hardball are they going to play right now? the stronger the president is in these polls, the more likely they are to support a paper bill. on the sales pitch, this whole sales pitch and the fact that people don't realize what this bill would do for them, and i agree, it's the biggest takeaway i had from this poll as well. they had a problem with the covid relief bill and they passed it in january. still a lot of people to this day don't realize their enhanced child tax credit is because of
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president biden, one of the first things he did when he got in the white house. so the sales pitch is a really big thing. in terms of the differences, there's also a huge difference on what politically is going to work in the midterms. we have moderates who say, if we go big, we'll lose our seats, we'll lose our majorities. then you have progressives saying we promised these things. our bases are going to turn out and then we're in big trouble. >> it's also a note about the midterms in three weeks in virginia. i would note this is the fourth poll since the quinnipiac poll and this is really the more consistent number, that he's in these upper 40s range on average. you know in marginal districts, he's lower than that. if he's at 50% nationally, he's lower than that in virginia, and
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yes, he held firm on independents but he's upside down with independents. that's a problem because that was a huge part of his winning coalition. >> let's put the president up here with an approval rating. president bush was 88%. obama was at 55% at this point in his first year. they lost 67 seats in the obama midterm. joe biden was 50%, cloint 47%, and trump lost a ton. if we do something, we can get that up to 52 or 53. we live in a very different climate next year than we do if it's at 50 or it starts sliding the other direction. >> and you're happy to sit between two democratic presidents that won the election when you're looking at that chart. >> that is always the challenge. up next for us, the final frontier for real this time. 2, 1. >> "star trek"'s captain kirk,
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trekkie. no spock, no bones, but pretty cool. >> they didn't beam him, they actually went there. an important part of americana. yes, he is canadian originally, but the show is american. we feel it, although it was the con fe confederation of nations that went into space. to see someone who we care about and who is an endearing part of our culture, and to participate in this enterprise is -- helps to open it up as a destination for future vacations that people might take. and it's not often you get to see the birth of an entire industry. that's what's going on right now. >> to that point, let's listen a
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little bit to william shatner. i heard my colleague say this a couple hours ago, and i think you'll agree. nothing against our astronauts, but they're trained in the sciences so they speak a certain language that's more technical. listen to bill shatner describe this moment. >> it was so moving. this experience is something unbelievable. i am so filled with emotion about what just happened. i just -- it's extraordinary. extraordinary. i hope i never recover from this. you see the vulnerability. it would be so important for everybody to have that experience. >> you hear him. they're talking about seeing the vulnerability. he talked about seeing the blue comforter, if you will, around the planet. how important is it -- especially where we have the climate crisis, where we have other challenges before us that
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we hear about these things in plain english, for lack of a better way to put it? >> it changes you. just to put some of this in context, i haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but alan shepard was america's first astronaut, went into a suborbital trajectory not much different than what william shatner just went through, and that happened 60 years ago. had you fished him out of the ocean and said in 60 years we're going to send a well-known actor into space and he's going to come back and feel emotional about it, i think they would have been shocked that we've come this far. better late than never, but i think the more different people you send into space, the more we can vicariously participate to who comes closer to where you are.
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i was alive in the apollo missions, and i didn't connect to them. sorry, i just didn't. they were like test pilots that had crew cuts at a time when the broadway musical "hair" was number one on broadway. they didn't have much hair. and they spoke funny and skin colors didn't match, so we're in a whole new era where spacex plorgs is not just a geopolitical act, it's a choice to how to spend your entertainment money. i don't have a problem with that. yeah, rich people do it now, but the first people who flew airplanes were rich. then it became cometized. >> you talked about you weren't into mercury or the early apollos. you're into william shatner. we have a message from bill
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shatner. i was lucky enough to get an autograph from bill shatner. the question is when. this is still a pretty exclusive club, but as you noted, rich people were the first people to fly airplanes. these things tend to grow exponentially if it's an investment and a priority. when does a normal person get to do this? is that in our foreseeable future? >> you can run the math. when you have a reusable rocket, then you amortize out the remaining cost of such an enterprise. for instance, if you fly in a boeing 727, they don't just put it in a dumpster and roll out another one for you to fly back stateside. they reuse it as many times as they possibly can. it was the reuse factor that was pioneered by elon musk. all the rest of the billionaires know that's an important cog in the economics of making this accessible to everyone.
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even if the price doesn't quite come in reach of a middle class vacation budget, you could still hold up a seat in the lottery. i would pay $2, $5 for a lottery ticket for that chance. then you get to see what goes skup and follow them. you, the media, would track them and it would be fun. as an astrophysicist i have a reality check here just for me. if earth were a schoolroom glow, how high up did they go? this magical space line everyone talks about, the carmen line, is about the thickness of two dimes above the surface of a schoolroom globe. so no, you're not seeing earth recede as a pale blue dot in the distance, but you ascend above the bulk of the atmosphere so you can see the sun in the sky and stars in the darkness. that transition can be quite emotional for people. plus you're looking at continents with no color-coded
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boundaries drawn in. they should send everybody up just so we would all come back and we would be more peaceful with each other. and consider that if two dimes gets you up into the bulk of the atmosphere, th e atmosphere it thin. the atmosphere is to earth as the skin of an apple is to an apple. so if you want to rescale how you think and care about this one place that we have only existed on earth, that perspective from space can launch you into a whole new understanding of our environment and to become better shepards of civilization as we go forward. >> we can have interesting conversations like this, learning experiences like this after cool flights like this. we all benefit in the end. i'll join that lottery with you.
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scenes like this one, lansing, michigan. signs and flags at this trump rally, they say it all. it's not right or left, it's right or wrong. trump won. we deserve an audit. you could say it's only a few hundred people, but a few hundred people on a tuesday afternoon is not nothing, and they believe what they believe. >> if a government agency is potentially guilty of fraud, should we have a government agency check them out? i don't think so. >> our panelist is back with us now. joining us also cn bbc's carla wright. it's 200 people showing up at a michigan rally. to say that biden is not my president, trump won, we're supposed to be past that and preparing for it ithe next elec.
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my question is how much is that going to be an issue next year? the 12 gubernatorial candidates that primarily make up the field say trump had his second term stolen or thrown their support behind any legislation that will make it harder for all michiganders to vote. >> with donald trump out there continuing to spread the election lie and the power and grip he has over the republican party means it is clearly a major focus for republican primaries and senate races and obviously will be a major issue in the 2024 race as well. >> one way to try to counter it -- emphasis on try, because many of them i don't believe, sadly, will listen because of their leadership, we'll get to that in a minute -- is to search for the truth. part of the big lie, but what happened with the big lie when
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trump was defied when people would not steal the election for him, then you have the big rally and the big election. adam schiff, member of the committee says, you won't cooperate? we'll ask for prosecution. >> we're not messing around. if people don't show up, if people don't provide the documents they're compelled to, we intend to take up criminal contempt and refer to the justice department, and we expect that it will be prosecuted. so we intend to move quickly. >> the quickly part. is it realistic when you have people, steve bannon, other trump allies served subpoenas, to move this quickly. possible? >> we're facing these deadlines today. people associated with the january 6 rally, they're expected to turn over documents. some are expected to comply, but tomorrow a big day. a lot of questions. steve bannon is scheduled for a deposition the next day and former chief of staff mark meadows.
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we know bannon said he has no intention of complying with this investigation and that's why we're getting to it. the contempt could come as soon as tomorrow. it could also be friday. but then this decision before it gets to the attorney general, and historically it's been easy for bannon the past few days with trump in charge of the house. that's not the case anymore. >> not the case anymore, and one way is to build a record of truth and hope people read it and change their minds if they believe it. another way would be to say we don't want any part of trump if he keeps repeating the big lie. forget about it. if he ran i think i think he would be the nominee. he didn't have anything to do with january 6. i think that's a far-fetched idea.
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i don't think he's damaged himself within the party. the last part may be true. i don't think he's damned himself within the party. the first part about having nothing to do with january 6 is ludicrous. >> he's clearly saying that to cater to one person, donald trump. i just want to go back to what can democrats do right now? they can't do a whole lot. even if the attorney general decides to hold these people in criminal contempt, and there is still a question about whether he would do that, it's going to court and it will drag out for a long time. democrats have been dealing with this for a very long time when it comes to trump. he ignored all their subpoenas, investigations, they have a huge problem getting people to cooperate. they took some of them to court and then they settled. they never got final rulings on them. in a lot of ways, they have this problem with the courts. they can't get people to comply. congressional subpoenas right now, frankly, they're a joke. >> you have to pay traffic tickets whether you like them or not. you should have to follow these rules whether you like them or not. you might say, oh, he's just a house member, the house is so
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trump. here's chuck grassley, senior member of the united states senate in iowa with you know who this weekend. >> i was born at night but not last night, so if i didn't accept the endorsement of a person that's got 91% of the republican voters in iowa, i wouldn't be too smart. i'm smart enough to accept that endorsement. >> he would be a chairman again if republicans take the senate. trump wants to remove his leader, mitch mcconnell, but the picture tells it all. why don't you move closer to me, mr. former president. i want to win, i want power. >> it's true several republicans have blinders on right now and they're focused on gaining support with donald trump just for their political benefit. but i think the farther we get from january 6, the easier it becomes for members like senator grassley to be able to do that, because they're relying on the public to sort of forget about what happened and to sort of
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dance around in their responses about january 6. i think it's interesting because at least looking ahead to 2024 is still a little divided among the republican party whether they want donald trump to be the nominee. but it seems like they're clearly relying on donald trump to remain the leader of the party and to have that influence he currently has. >> some days and the root causes of those days should not pay for history. i would put january 6 on that list. thanks, everybody. up next, kids, covid, and one doctor's push to persuade hesitant parents. >> yes, the covid vaccines are incredibly effective for kids just like they're incredibly effective for adults. here. new aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme.
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a new alarm from the american academy of pediatrics. it describes the number of new covid infections in children as still, quote, exceptionally high. help could come soon. fda advvisors meet in two weeks to talk about the effectiveness of the vaccine in children. a lot of parents say they'll definitely get their child a shot when it's available, but you see the yeses and no's. dr. boyd, grateful for your time. you are doing the most important work, trying to get parents to
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keep their kids safe. why is it so difficult? just look at the covid-19 cases in kids, new cases in kids. the weekend and last month, 25% of the cases were children, nearly 150,000 of them. nearly 750,000 kids getting covid infections over the past four weeks. when you tell a parent, this is a way to protect your kid, what are the biggest hesitancies you hear back? >> thanks for having me today. this is so important for people to understand, that kids are affected by covid. kids contract covid cases, as you said. nearly a quarter of the covid cases recently have been in children, some of whom are previously healthy and well. our efforts are really to make sure parents understand the number one ways to keep their kids safe which is first vaccination, and then it's all the other health precautions we all know and love now. wearing masks, avoiding crowded indoor spaces, making sure you have good ventilation and washing your hands.
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>> two-thirds of eligible americans are vaccinated, two-thirds. 66% of the entire eligible population are vaccinated. but if you look at 12 to 15-year-olds, it's only 45%. if you look at 15 to 17-year-olds, it's just 15%. understandably, parents might want to think twice. maybe i'll get a vaccine but i'm not sure for my children. how do you pop through that? >> some of the things we're seeing in these numbers is adults are the first to be authorized to receive the covid vaccine. they got a jump start on kids and that's why there are such a large adult population vaccinated. parents have questions and concerns to be addressed before they feel comfortable making this choice for their kids. that's why we're trying to spread credible information. we're trying to share the science directly with parents through their schools, through their churches, through their community-based organizations to make sure they understand that the vaccines are not only safe for kids, they're incredibly effective, and they're really
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the number one way to protect kids and kids' households and school environments and communities from covid spread. >> is there a different message, or is it the same message? we know, for example, high hesitancy in some segments of the african-american community because of historical issues. high hesitancy in maybe the wider, rural areas for political reasons. is it the same message to break through, or do you need to tailor it? >> how we approach talking to specifically black and ethnic populations, especially across the south, is to hedge the concern. instead of calling it hesitancy, there is accurate information about health and health care generally for people of color, particularly in the south where insurance rates are lower and where most folks of color in this country, particularly black populations, live. we have a concerted effort there to go to folks and say, what are your questions? if you don't have a regular provider, you can talk to me. you can talk to other experts across the country directly one
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on one about your concerns. what we hear time and again is that people don't have general concerns in our communities of color. people aren't talking about conspiracy theories, they have specific questions about their own health history and how that relates to getting the covid vaccine. so once we're able to answer people's specific questions, what we find is that more and more folks get vaccinated. so now we are pleased to see that the inhe canek quities tha seen have been narrowing recently. >> i hope that narrowing continues. if it does it's in part because of the work you're doing every day. dr. boyd, thank you. keep it up. >> thank you. the virginia governor's race is close, very close. beal map out what that means. it includes this, a battle for the turnout and a battle for the suburbs. it's as low as $25/mo. all powered by verizon. 5g included.
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. see the map of virginia behind me. in 2020 in the presidential race, it wasn't close, it was a 10% win for joe biden. today the virginia governor's race is very tight. the democratic nominee, terry mcauliffe, he voted early today. you see fairfax in the northern suburbs, terry mcauliffe trying to urge early turn out in those critical suburbs. this is culpeper county.
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it's more reliably red. youngkin is trying to turn out republican votes there. jeff zeleny is back for a time on the trail of virginia. behind me you see the poll of 55 to 37. this is the presidential map, right? you were down here, among one of the places you visited, chesterfield county. this was blue. if you go back in time to presidential politics, to the obama era in 2008, john mccain carried it bigger. george w. bush carried an even bigger margin. this has been the battle in america especially for trump. in the governor's race, youngkin probably needs this to be red. this is the 2017 race for governor. chesterfield county was very close. where are we now? >> it absolutely was. this is one of the sprawling suburban communities across america where republicans in
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2018 and 2020 went away from the republican party voters, went away from the republican party. this will be a test tonight. if terry mcauliffe is doing well there, it's not a good sign for glenn youngkin. if glenn youngkin does well, it's a good sign for him. a lot of things are animating him, but one of the things we're seeing across the commonwealth is schools. school board meetings are a good front line to see where the energy is, and in an off-year like this, energy is what matters. that's what worries democrats, that their voters may not be as animated or in tune to turn out. >> amy dodson is one you spoke to who is a true independent. listen. >> i am an independent voter. i have voted any which way you can vote. what led me to vote for glenn youngkin this time around was education. >> it's just one voter. we need to be careful.
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but advertising is spending a lot of money right there. he's trying to make this about education, about parental rights, about the government not getting in the way. terry mcauliffe we'll get to in a moment. >> she also said something very interesting as we talked to her outside her home in midlothian, virginia. she said, i do not like donald trump, i did not vote for donald trump, but i am going to vote for glenn youngkin. that's the question, how many amy dodsons are out there who didn't vote for donald trump but are going to vote for glenn youngkin. >> another wild card if you're a democrat. you mentioned enthusiasm. this is the yugo poll and only 44% mcauliffe voters, 50% youngkin voters. this is where terry mcauliffe is
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up here, he's trying to motivate democrats because he's a little nervous. >> he really is, yeah. he's trying to sound the alarm. he's trying to do this in several weeks, and most democrats didn't believe him that he could be in trouble. now it's becoming clear in poll after poll. he definitely was trying to really convince everyone to vote early. this is the first time early voting has been allowed in a governor's race. democrats believe they can use this extra time to pull people out to the polls. >> 20 days away, if youngkin can do better in the suburbs, we'll have you back when the race comes to the finish line. the united states is about to reopen the border with canada and with mexico as long as you are fully vaccinated.
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