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prosecuted here, john. >> jessica snyder, grateful for the hustle on the important news there, and we'll bring you more tomorrow. i appreciate your time on "inside politics." don't go anywhere. ana cabrera picking up our kovrn coverage right now. have a good day. hello and thank you for being with us. i'm ana cabrera with breaking news. we now know it was a live round fired from the gun alec baldwin was holding when cinematographer halyna hutchins was killed and director joel souza was injured. >> we believe we have in our possession the firearm fired by mr. baldwin. this is the firearm we believe discharged the bullet. we also believe that we have the spent shell casing from the bullet that was fired from the
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gun. the actual lead projectile that was fired has been recovered from the shoulder of mr. souza. the projectile was recovered by medical personnel where he was being treated and turned over to the sheriff's office as evidence. we regard this specific spent casing and recovered projectile to be the live round that was fired from the revolver by mr. baldwin. >> this shooting happened last thursday on the set of baldwin's new movie, "rust," being filmed in new mexico. but for almost a week now, it has been unclear what exactly was fired from that weapon. the sheriff in santa fe today provided this explanation. >> so what was fired was not a
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blank or a dummy? what do you consider live? >> we would consider the bullet live because it caused the death of ms. hutchins and injured mr. souza. >> as we look at one of the last images of halyna hutchins and the crew prior to the shooting, 100 live rounds and suspected live rounds were recovered from the set. the d.a. is not ruling out criminal charges and they have now hired a firm to investigate. let's go to stephanie elam. you were at this presser. what were you hearing? >> reporter: the district attorney made it clear that the investigation here is ongoing, but she's not ruling it out because they're waiting for testing. also worth noting that the sheriff did say it's a suspected live round, that they want to test it, but they do believe they have the right firearm in their kcustody right now.
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what's also noteworthy, he said there were three firearms found on set. that is one fully functional, which is the one they believe baldwin used. they said there was also a second one that appeared to be modified, and a third one that appeared to be a plastic, non-functioning revolver. they also noted there was no camera actually rolling at the time of this tragic incident, so there is no video footage of what happened at the time. he also said there were about 16 people inside this one room where they were shooting at the time. he said everyone on the crew has been cooperative. he said they've interviewed and talked to the armorer. they talked to the assistant director. people have been wondering about them because they were working with what they call props but what we now know was a functioning weapon. there are over 100 people on set they want to talk to and interview them as well to get more information.
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we're hearing reports there may have been other misfires on the set of "rust." they wanted to get more information on that but they didn't have that at this point. the most important thing at this point, though, is learning more about the fire aarms on the set and only one appeared to be functional, and that's the one fired by alec baldwin. >> now joining us, senior fellow prosecutor eli honig. the santa fe d.a. is not ruling out criminal charges. she says this is a complex case. help us understand how she may be thinking about this. what charges might she be considering and who could be in legal jeopardy? >> ana, so the d.a. made clear that the charge that's potentially in play here is called involuntary manslaughter. we heard the d.a. use the phrase
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criminal negligence several times. i think the d.a. said something else really interesting. she said this is a complex case and every detail is going to matter, because it's important to note there is no book on this kind of scenario. it doesn't happen that often in contrast to something like a car accident where you might be looking at an involuntary manslaughter charge. there is a standard checklist. was the person drunk? was the person speeding? was the person texting? this is an on-set shooting with what appeared to be apparently a live firearm. there is no standard case on this. so how does the prosecutor make that decision? i think there is a misconception that you plug it in and a m message comes out that says charge or don't charge. they will sit down and say, what do we think? is this criminally excusable? is this something we can charge? is this something we can argue in front of a jury?
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that's a real difficult decision the d.a. is going to have to make. >> it appears everyone is cooperating who they have to interview, including the armorer, including the assistant director who apparently handled the firearmhanding it to alec baldwin. who do you see as the most that could be charged? >> i would say there are questions about how did a live round end up in that gun? that's the question i would want to know as a d.a. who failed at their job? that's who you'll see with criminal negligence. >> approximately 500 rounds of ammunition, dummy rounds and what they suspect are live
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rounds they found on the scene. he says they believe they have the live round that was fired that killed halyna hutchins, ask t -- and they also have a live projectile recovered from the shoulder of joel souza. what's your reaction to all this? >> the three weapons they found makes sense with shooting an average scene. you would have a weapon capable of firing a blank round. a lot of times they'll have a very realistic replica that may be modified so it can't accept a blank round. that would be for close camera work. then the true prop gun which is a plastic or rubber gun. i think people are starting to understand now the difference between a real gun, which we call a realie, a realie or a prop gun. those would stay if you wanted a stunt man to do anything there.
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most of those would likely be blanks for shooting scenes with. the idea of a live round being present in any of that scenario is -- it would be an example of the nuclear option. it just never occurs, worst case scenario. >> wow, nuclear option you're calling it to even have a live round present in a scenario like this. it was interesting, josh, because the sheriff was asked to clarify some of his comments that we played when he described this projectile as a bullet at one point. he then said, well, a suspected live round is what was fired, a suspected live round. why are they calling it suspected? as we pointed out, it's been six days now. why can't they be sure what was fired? >> part of that is semantics, and you have to understand, this case is far from over. what we heard was an update from officials at the sheriff's department and the d.a. giving us a preliminary update on what
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they found so far. to be sure, the sheriff was very careful in saying what they believe. he said the gun killed halyna hutchins and joel souza as well. these are people who want answers, including in the entertainment industry and around the world. how are these conditions so unsafe? if charges are actually brought, there will be an entirely different audience and that's where investigators will be relying on the final report, forthe forensics. the bullet will be analyzed, so that's the semantics right now. but the sheriff did not waiver in saying how he suspects ms. hutchins died here.
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that is one question we all wanted to know. we now have that answer. >> josh, given your experience as a former fbi agent, how long does it take to process evidence in a case like this? i know this is a very unprecedented or care type of case or circumstance. are we talking about days, weeks, months? >> well, there are two parts there. investigators can look very quickly and determine whether it's an actual real bullet, something you would buy in a sporting good store, or the type you would find on a hollywood set. here we're talking about volume. i believe there were 500 rounds they found, so they'll be sorting out, which are supposed to be on a movie scene and which are live rounds? we're talking about potential liability here. the one question we have is how that live round made it into that gun. was there some kind of negligence? we know who handed alec baldwin
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the gun. still some questions about whether this gun was used in target practice. the live rounds will be handled very methodically, and we won't hear from investigators until they actually hand over the report. >> the firearms, the ammunition are among some 600 pieces of evidence collected, we are told. eli, you say they must have had a search warrant to go on set to gather this evidence. what does that tell you? >> it's been reported they did get a search warrant. that means the police had to write out probable cause, meaning more than likely a crime was committed. technically prosecutors can charge someone with a crime based on probable cause, but no good charges with that evidence. you need more. but this tells me they're at least part of the way to getting to the standard of evidence they need in order to charge a crime. and a judge has agreed that a
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crime was committed. >> bryan, a "rust" actor, someone in the film, is speaking out about their experience on the film previously as they were shooting blanks. listen to this. >> when the rounds were released when they shot at me, i actually did feel the blanks hit my face and my body, and i could feel the wind from the shotgun, you know, being discharged. it was heavy, it was strong. i would talk to my fellow cast members afterwards, and we all agreed how intense that was and how scary and real it was. >> bryan, from what we've all been learning in the wake of this tragedy and thinking about brandon lee's death in 1993, is what this actor described breaking safety protocols in any way? >> obviously, from what he
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described, yes, it would seem that the distances were not correct. there is very well established, and any professional in the industry is going to follow these, a minimum safe distance for a blank. a blank can kill, ask nd we're talking a few inches. it's happened before. anything like a few feet, the damage will be mitigated. you may get scorched skin with the powder hitting you, but that's why we take it to a factor of four or more. make sure your actors, any of your cast or crew, you always want to point away from anyone. you never point directly at. if you're pointing at, you're breaching some kind of safety protocol. if you're feeling the effect of that round going off, you're probably, in my experience, within the threshold of the minimum safe distances, which shouldn't be happening.
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parents, you'll want to hear this. kids as young as five years old might be able to get their first covid shot as soon as next week. just yesterday pfizer cleared its first regulatory hurdle for its vaccine in kids ages 5 to 11. fda advisors voted to recommend it for emergency use authorization. i want to bring in cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. this would open up vaccine availability to about 28 million more americans. what happens now? >> right, ana, this is a big group. 28 million children in the u.s. are between the ages of 5 to 11, and as parents know, children that age are good at spreading germs. my husband and i used to call our children when they were young little disease vectors.
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we meant is in a loving way, but vaccinating children helps the whole family and the community. let's take a look at where we are in the process of authorizing this vaccine for children. they found that this vaccine was 90.7% effective from children getting sick from covid-19. the fda gave their thumbs up. now the cd c as dvisors have to give their okay. that could all happen and be done by sort of the middle of next week or so. so dr. anthony fauci says he is optimistic -- that's the word he used -- optimistic that shots could be going into children's arms sometime in the first two weeks of november.
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now, we know that many american parents might be hesitant about giving this vaccine. that's one of the reasons why we're talking about all the different levels that it needs to go through. a member of the fda advisory committee, dr. paul offitt, he put it like this. >> the decision we make, when we make these kinds of decisions, it's all based on one thing. would we give this vaccine to our own children? no one would say yes if they weren't willing to give it to their own children. >> children won't be given a dose of the vaccine if this happens as adults and adolescents have been getting. children would be getting one-third of the dose that adolescents and adults have been giving. ana? >> elizabeth cohen, thank you. could facebook be doing more to combat vaccine misinformation on its platforms. leaking documents say that it could, and they're having a
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harder time managing the spread of that misinformation than ilts letting on. >> hi, ana, folks might remember earlier this year when president biden said facebook was killing people due to covid misinformation. he sort of walked those comments back a little bit, but not before a facebook executive in july penned a blistering post, hitting back against the white house and against the president, boasting about facebook's work on tackling misinformation on the platform. but internally documents paint a very different picture. take a look at these internal notes from just earlier this year, february 2021. our internal systems are not yet ident identifying, demoting and/or
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removing anti-vaccine comments often enough. our ability to detect vaccine hesitancy comments is bad in english and basically non-existent elsewhere. that was in march 2021. they told us they are improving their systems about the pandemic, and it also says we approach the challenges of misinformation, true policies that help us reduce or remove potentially false or misleading information while also promoting reliable information and giving people control over the comments in their posts. but as you can see there, more revelations coming from these facebook documents and a lot more to come. the documents are still rolling out. ana? >> you've been doing a great job going through those. thank you, donie. joining us is the author of "lif "lifelines: a doctor's journey
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in public health." apparently facebook is having more difficulty than it's letting on. what do you think of this? >> apparently facebook knew they had a problem with misinformation. they also knew what would have worked when it came to preventing this information or at least limiting the amount, but they didn't do everything they could. so much of us in public health on the front lines, we've been fighting that information every day. right now we have a pandemic not only of the virus but also of disinformation, that this disinformation has literally taken away people's ability to protect themselves and their loved ones. we're doing our part, and now we need to see people step up. >> kids as young as five years old might be able to get a pfizer shot. what's your message to parents who might be on the fence right
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now? >> my message is that it's okay to be on the fence, it's okay to have questions and not be certain as to what you want to do when it comes to vaccinating your younger children. there are some parents that are really sure they want to get their kids vaccinated. there are some parents who already have been lying about their kids' ages so their 10 and 11-year-olds can get vaccinated. there are other parents whose kids may be in schools that don't require masks or they may be exposed to high risk situations. those parents really want to get the vaccine. it's okay to let those parents go first and get those kids vaccinated and learn from their experiences. also very reasonable to go to your pediatrician if you have questions. we trust or pediatricians with so many other aspects of our kids' health. pediatricians are also experts when it comes immuni immunizations. talk to your child. likely they will have a strong opinion as well.
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many are eager to resume sleepovers or parties, things they have been missing. if having the vaccine can help do that, then talking with your child to determine if that's a good choice for your family, i think that's very important. >> dr. offit said they wouldn't have recommended this vaccine to the fda advisory board if they wouldn't feel comfortable giving it to their own children as far as those questions around its safety and effectiveness. hopefully that helps put some of the fears to rest. let me talk to you, though, about trying to get more people vaccinated and what appears to be an extra hurdle right now, because new covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths are continuing to fall nationwide, which is great news. the bad news is fewer people are also getting vaccinated. in fact, the cdc reported the lowest number of first shots in the past week since they began distributing this data. more than 22% of americans who are eligible are still unvaccinated.
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what does that mean for getting past this pandemic? >> there are a lot of unknowns about what's going to come our way this winter. it may be that we have a high enough level of immunity from vaccination and prior infection that we can get through the winter. but it could also be that there are just pockets of the country with very high rates of people who have yet to experience covid or who have yet to be vaccinated, and we could see another wave of the virus, especially as people let down their guard even more, especially as people move indoors, and we have no idea what mutations could arise or what other variants could come our way, too. i really hope that people will see this as a collective call to action. we all want this pandemic to end, and the best way for us to do that, the safest way for us to do that is for people to get vaccinated. frankly, it's a shame, i think, for adults to now be saying, hey, kids, you can get vaccinated now. that's great to protect the kids, but the best way for us to protect our children is also for
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adults who have not yet been vaccinated to get vaccinated ourselves. that should be our obligation to one another and the most notable when it comes to our kids. >> dr. wen, thank you for all that you do. thank you for spending time with us today and sharing your expertise. democrats now risk missing another self-imposed deadline on the biden agenda as progressives battle with speaker pelosi over an infrastructure vote and divisions remain over a plan to attack billionaires. that's next.
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. time and money. two perpetual instigators on capitol hill and a roadblock to president biden's infrastructure bill. they are structuring a framework before president biden leaves for europe tomorrow. still standing in the way are proposals for the spending as well as taxes on individuals and wealthy corporations. arlette saenz is at the white house and manu raju is on capitol hill. manu, bottom line here, they
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still have a lot to sort out, and divisions over billionaires' tax is a big one. >> still divisions within the house and the senate with their respect active democratic caucuses. joe manchin, kyrsten sinema had met for about two hours today and said it's really up to the rest of the caucus to get behind something. suggesting perhaps they reached the point where joe manchin is not going to go any further and everybody is pressing for a wide array of what they can accept. bi president biden is talking to moderates about these talks. manchin said he didn't want to go to medicare with hearing, dental and vision.
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also paid leave. that's been a big push from democrats and the white house to include some level of paid leave for workers when they get sick or have a kid. he said he's not there yet. on the issue of the billionaires' tax, that's a concern sinema had about raising tax rates, but manchin is concerned about that billionaires' tax as well. are you supportive of the billionaires' tax? >> i'm supporting that everyone should pay their fair share. i don't like the connotation that we're targeting different people. there's people that basically have contributed to society, they created a lot of jobs, invest a lot of money and give a lot to philanthropic pursuits, but it's time we all pulled together and row together. >> the democratic senator saying they're still trying to keep that billionaires' tax in the proposal.
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that is one of several options to help finance this package that they're saying will be fully paid for. but also a division on the process. democrats in the house, liberals, say they will not support moving forward on that separate infrastructure bill unless there is passage of the larger proposal that they have not even agreed to a general outline of. so you're seeing the real challenges here among the democratic leaders who want to get agreement just on the outline of that larger bill, and hopefully they believe that could pave the way for the final passage of the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill to pump money into roads, bridges and broadband, but because of the policy of the big bill and the process, it's unclear if any of it will pass or if it will happen this week as the white house hopes. >> it sounds like this dance of two steps forward, one step back, one step forward, two steps back. how much is the white house pressing so the president
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doesn't leave empty-handed? >> the white house is presenting it as a sense of urgency, ana, and you saw what importance they put on it in the past two days, especially in the holdout of joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. earlier his top negotiators were up on capitol hill trying to hammer out final details with those senators. those negotiators arrived here at the white house in just the past hour. they're likely briefing the president on where those negotiations stand. also a short while ago, white house press secretary jen psaki said president biden is open to traveling up to capitol hill. this is something that she said they are evaluating on an hour-by-hour basis as they are seeing where these negotiations are currently heading. but this is all running up against that departure date for president biden, who is traveling abroad tomorrow. he laid out in private meetings
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right now on capitol hill, attorney general merrick garland is getting grilled by the committee. he's getting threats by school officials and how the local counterparts should respond to such threats. jessica is watching this closely for us. jessica, what is the attorney general saying? >> he actually is defending it a lot more forcefully than we saw him do when he was grilled last week by the house judiciary committee. republicans have been seizing on this memo ever since it was issued october 4, and they've been falsely saying it was meant to stifle free speech and portraying it as a directive to arrest parents when they speak
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out at board meetings. simply, this is a memo that tells the fbi and law enforcement to work with strategies to stop threats. merrick garland, thsince this hearing began at 10:00 this morning, has been defeating the memo, saying it doesn't target parents. in fact, parents have been encouraged to have debates. he told senator cotton this, as long as there are no threats of violence, they are fully protected. but the attorney general is also noting the rise in threats in recent months, not just against school board members but against many others. here's what he said. >> it's in a rising tide of threats of violence against judges, against prosecutors, against secretaries of state, against election administrators, against doctors, against protesters, against news reporters. that's the reason that we responded as quickly as we did when we got a letter indicating
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that there were threats of violence and violence with respect to school officials and school staff. >> so the attorney general vigorously defending this memo. he also rejected allegations from some republicans that he was acting under the directive of the white house to issue this memo. ins instead, garland made very clear that he wrote the memo and he's completely independent from the white house. he also faced repeated calls from the white house to rescind this memo. he specifically stated he would not rescind it and it's warranted. ana? >> jessica snyder, thank you. he convinced vice president pence to overturn the election. we will discuss this with congressman adam schiff, next. . should we stay, should we go? ♪ ♪
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the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol riot will subpoena yet another trump ally. john eastman. a conservative lawyer who worked with trump's legal team. the committee says eastman tried and ultimately failed to convince then vice president pence that he could overturn the election results. eastman later brushed off his scheme outlined in a two-page memo as not being serious. but in a recent event, a woman told eastman he thought his arguments were solid. listen to how he reacts. >> when i read your memo, i thought it was solid in all of its legal arguments. >> yeah. >> i was floored that mike pence
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didn't do anything. why didn't he act on it? you gave him the legal reasoning to do that. >> i know. i know. and now, he's in "the atlantic" two days ago. they're already anticipating trump winning in 2024, and they're using my arguments from that memo that they said had no credibility to argue that kamala harris can block trump's electoral votes. it's like -- come on, people. >> basically everyone will say you're being proven right. >> exactly. exactly. except they're not saying that. >> but that's what they mean. >> exactly. >> all your legal reasoning is totally solid. >> yeah. yeah. there's no question. >> i mean, like, you know, supporter to supporter, why do you think that mike pence didn't do it? >> because mike pence is an establishment guy at the end of the day. >> joining us now a member of the house select committee investigating the january 6th
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attack, congressman adam schiff. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> what do you want to ask eastman? >> well, we'd like to know, i think, about any efforts to overturn the election as well as what expectation there was that this mob that was being assembled down on the mall would be used to try to either intimidate congress, try to stop mike pence from certifying the results, and, you know, mr. eastman in his public remarks has been all over the map on whether he stands by the memo or doesn't stand by the memo. he clearly has information relevant to the committee's inquiry into any efforts to overturn the election. i think he's a pertinent witness. >> we've reported at least five former trump white house staffers have been voluntarily talking with the select committee. first, can you tell us who you've been talking to? >> i can't tell you who but i
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can tell you we're conducting interviews and depositions almost every day. so while the public fights have been very much the center of attention in terms of our efforts to get steve bannon or meadows or these other people, the reality is that a great number of people are cooperating with us. we're making, i think, swift progress. we're getting documents and relevant information. so we're proceeding with great expedition, to those who don't cooperate, we're moving quickly as we did with steve bannon to hold them in criminal content. >> when we say at least five former trump staffers, is it five or more than five then that you've been talking to voluntarily? >> i don't want to comment on the number or the type of position. i can tell you that there's a great deal of work that's going on outside the public view that we will be having more public hearings, we've been discussing which of those to do next so the public can see demonstrably what we're working on. we are gathering a lot of
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information from cooperating witnesses. >> we will be anxiously awaiting details about the next public hearing. meantime, trump has been trying to keep your committee from conducting these interviews. he also sued to keep the committee from getting documents from the national archive claiming executive privilege. we're reporting today your committee temporarily backed off a request for dozens of records from the trump white house, even though the documents were determined to be relevant to the investigation. can you clarify what's going on here? why are you backing off this request? >> we're not backing off of it, but we're mindful of the fact when a court does examine these issues in the litigation that former president trump has initiated, that it will look to see whether the congress tried to accommodate any of the issues that were raised. that's part of demonstrating the good faith of our committee. but we're very determined to get
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answers. i think the biden administration has also made it very clear that they're not asserting executive privilege over any of these documents in the tranches that have been requested so far. and it's the predominant view legally that the current president really has the say here. so we feel on solid ground. i think donald trump understands he's going to lose this litigation. his whole point as it was for four years is to delay. to try to keep information about his misconduct secret for as long as he can. >> i spoke to a former federal prosecutor who said the fact that trump is fighting for specific documents not to be released would suggest there's something he's worried about in them. do you think that's the case or is it a part of a broader strategy to stonewall at every turn? >> i think donald trump is very concerned about what we'll learn and what we've been learning in terms of his own misconduct, his
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own role in inciting that insurrection. there's so much more we don't know. we want to understand what was the president's role and understanding before the insurrection, what did he know about the propensity for violence, the participation of white nationalist groups what was his role, if any, to either send or delay sending reinforcements to the capitol when it was under attack. what were his advisers urging him to do? what did he do? we have a lot of unanswered questions about the president's role in all of this. we're determined to get answers and it certainly appears that donald trump is equally determined to stop us. i think he fears the public learning the extent of his role and the extent of his misconduct. >> my understanding is jeffrey clark, a former doj lawyer who was reportedly willing to support trump's big lie about the election is scheduled for a deposition on friday. has he given you indication on whether he plans to show up?
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>> i can't comment specifically. we do expect in the near future to talk to mr. clark and he has very relevant information. and the public reports indicate that he was trying to use the justice department as a vehicle to get georgia not to certify electors or to delay their certification or to send others that he had a strategy for other states as well. that he was willing to use the justice department to advocate claims that didn't exist about massive fraud. those are the public allegations that we want to talk with him about. he did not, as i understand it, testify before the senate judiciary committee. it will be whether or not for our committee to hear from him. >> even though there are two republican lawmakers on your committee, gop leaders have tried to frame your investigation as purely partisan. some have taken it a step further. here's congresswoman majorie
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taylor greene. n >> january 6th was just a riot at the capitol. when you think about what our declaration of independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants. there's a clear difference between january 6th and the marxist, blm grown troops waged on the american people in 2020. >> again this is a sitting member of congress. she's not just suggesting the january 6th capitol attack has been overblown, she appears to be justifying it and trying to use the declaration of independence as her defense? what's your response? >> look, she says what she does to get attention. she's probably the least constructive member of congress to put it politely. i think it's just nuts what she's saying. but, look, the gop leadership is not that far from where she is.
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kevin mccarthy's complaints about the fact we only have two me republican members on the select committee is because of kevin mccarthy. when we moved forward with a select committee, he doesn't want that either. the question is why? he's doing donald trump's bidding. the gop doesn't want us to get to the truth any more than donald trump does. there are republican reports now of republican members who may have been involved in january 6th6 6th and we'll get to the bottom of those allegations. it's no surprise that qanon supporters out there don't want us to do that but we'll press ahead. >> quickly, i have about 30 seconds left, obviously you're waiting on the doj to decide whether or not it will prosecute steve bannon for criminal contempt. are you surprised they have not made a decision yet?
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>> no. they just got the referral from us a matter of days ago. but we do expect them to act with expedition. it's important to emphasize that no one is above the law. they won't treat you, me, any of my constituents differently than they would bannon, a former fr president's friend. >> congressman schiff, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining me. the news continues right now. hello. i'm victor blackwell. thank you for joining us. >> i'm alisyn camerota. the local prosecutor in new mexico saying moments ago that no one has been ruled out on criminal charges for the killing


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