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the news continues. let's go to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> breaking tonight, new jersey's democrat governor, phil
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murphy, eking out a win. much closer than expected. cnn has just projected the win for murphy, by more than 22,000 votes. even though this is a big surprise, if it holds, you do have to give murphy a little bit of a nod. because he will be, would be, the first democratic governor to get a second straight term in four decades. but because this was so close, when polls showed murphy leading comfortably, it has to add to the concerns for democrats. you have this, you have virginia, and you have other strong signals that they need to listen to. now, i am going to give you something a little different, all right? i've been watching the coverage all day just like you. i'm not here to beat up on the democrats. they do that far too well themselves. and i'm not here to say we learned something new last night, like so many in the media. because we didn't.
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here's what i see. the simple rules of politics still apply. democrats were given a mandate to get things done. they haven't. so the people who put them there were not as anxious to come out to reward them for not doing what they said they would do. turnout was lower, you saw the results. this is not simply about the mood of the country. or democrats misunderstanding the same, or some new reckoning or reality. any media saying otherwise are trying to seem smarter than they were yesterday. voters care about household issues always. okay? and what is obvious is that the democrat reaction so far to the returns may be more of a problem than the returns themselves. they seem intent on eating their own, more than feeding people
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what they want. they should listen to ted lasso. be a goldfish. shortest memory in the animal kingdom. learn the lesson and do better for people with the power they give you. don't obsess over the result. still, even if they do, and i think they will, for at least the rest of this week, i still don't think the democrats have a five-alarm fire. but if they do, it's because they have sat and watched and blown on the flames of a two, three, and four-alarm fire. people keep saying, get things done. what about inflation? what is going on with gas prices? what about all the changes, the messaging about covid? did the democrats speak to those issues, and well and consistently? will they now? you know, no small irony, the democrats have bills that will do more for people who didn't
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vote for them than those same voters have ever been offered before. but what do the democrats do? they made their bills about how much they cost. price tag politics can create a paradox. look at the polls of independent voters. they like the policies, not the price tag. that's not fair. fair is the only four-letter word. doesn't exist. perception is reality in politics, it's what you sell. in virginia, the republicans showed you that you can win on the same problems that trump trumpeted without being like trump. youngkin's culture war about critical race theory, the issue is framed as white fright. they're coming for you, you're
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to blame for everything, now take your medicine. the idea of big government taking away your rights. and terry mcauliffe played right into that fear. >> i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. >> the governmor was referring o what books should be brought into the curriculum. but this is politics. perception is reality. it's a spin game. and what was used arguably out of context, but it doesn't matter. it came off as insulting and tone-deaf to parents. and ultimately, in politics, talking down to people you want to raise you up is not a winning combination. democrats should not be shocked that parents want input about
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what their kids learn in school. if they think they're too dumb to control their bodies or their kids, watch them control their votes. the candidate in new jersey made his campaign about a lot of the same trump themes, and hit taxes, bad decisions by democrats, tax and spend. businesses getting beaten up under democrats. that was the message. and the response should be focus on fixes that help with the obvious and talk about that a lot. the democrats didn't misread a mood. they're just intentionally not matching the mood. don't just look at virginia. look at minneapolis, minnesota. the idea that police have to go or be reimagined was crushed. look at buffalo.
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okay? the lefty fringe wins in the primary with an out and out socialist. okay? then the write-in candidate apparently killed in the general. a write-in candidate. often referred to as an other. in buffalo, the write-in choice seems to be the incumbent, but he lost in the primary and may win. he wasn't even on the ticket. what does that tell you? do what you said you would do. don't tell people you know better how to live their lives than they do. and remember, this is a center/center-left country. those were all truisms before yesterday's races. and when you ignore the realities, you lose. you know who admits that?
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someone who should know better. >> what i do know is, i do know that people want us to get things done. they want us to get things done. people are upset and uncertain about a lot of things. from covid to school to jobs to a whole range of things. what happened was, i think we have to just produce results for them, to change their standard of living and give them a little more breathing room. >> and mr. president, with all due respect, you need to say those things a lot more, in a lot more places. use the bully pulpit. or you will get beaten by people who use it better than you do. instead of pitching policies that people should want, his party is bragging about the price tag. and as i explained, there can be a paradox on that. they decided also to have this
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fight, and the democrats are up against a party that is all about making them fail. but that's the state of play. and the team leader for that team in the senate, he has the right advice. >> the democratic party has wildly misread their mandate. this was in large part a referendum on national issues. democrats should listen to the voters. >> you should know. he fell into the same hole in 2018, do you remember? the gop with trump? caravans, brown menace, as i called them. remember that? what did democrats run on in those midterms? and, yes, it was a first term incumbent, and they have risk in the midterms. but did the democrats fight that culture war?
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there was no caravan coming here to kill you and steal your jobs. it was a lie. no, health care costs, because you guys care about matters to you in everyday life, and you sh should. the democrats forgot the lesson, the rules still apply. and here's a tweak. what works on twitter does not always work at the polls. okay? the good news for democrats is, this was not the midterms. they have time. what will they do with that time? how will they sell what they do with that time? now, here's what they had better not do. try to win a war of attrition. the right is all-in on what's wrong. can the left show they can make things right? we'll see. and we'll see right away. because the next battle is upon us. vaccines for kids. what is the message, what backs up the message, how is it
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delivered, how consistent is it, does it change? and you had better not use the m-word. don't even use it. we have dr. fauci here tonight to make the case to a parent with concerns. you know who that is? me. to now, stewart stevens, scott jennings, thank you for being with me tonight. scott, what was the lesson for you as republicans, and then the tak takeaway, you believe, for the democrats? >> thanks, chris. the lesson for republicans is platforms work, they didn't write one in 2020. this time in virginia, glen youngkin had issues. education, quality of life, crime. he wrote down a list of things that he would do about it.
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reforming the dmv. and he ran it on, and he never took the bait of the fundamentally unserious campaign run by the democrats, solely focused on one thing. lie about glen youngkin, trying to turn him into donald trump. stewart was part of it. it was never true. and had youngkin taken that bait, he would have been drug down. but the lesson for republicans, listen to the voters, write a platform, run on issues. and i think the lesson for democrats, if you thought you were going to run the midterms all on trump, you're sorely mistaken. >> and you also don't have to give trump a bear hug every five minutes no matter what he says. let's see if that carries forward as well. stewart, the main criticism is, sure, it was terry mcauliffe, democrats all over the country are talking about trump like he was a step away from the white
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house. do you guys regret what you did at the lincoln project, and that approach by democrats? >> look, i think it's very difficult to look at what happened here and say somehow the lincoln project interfered with a winning democratic strategy. the problem with democrats, and scott jennings would have known what to do, go out and define glen youngkin quickly. he wouldn't have won that nomination without donald trump's endorsement. he said he will vote for donald trump in 2024. here you have someone running for the state of virginia, a key state in the history of the united states of america, supporting a candidate who attempted to overthrow the government of the united states, and says he will support this person. races will be about something. scott is right when you say that mcauliffe didn't have enough of an agenda. i can't tell you the five things
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that mcauliffe would have done as governor. but he could have won this race if he had gone about aggressively defining what the race was about and defining his opponent. it's just politics 101. >> this was a very close race. but i think that, let's finesse a point here, stewart. then i'll come back to scott for the rejoinder. the insurrection was real, attempts to make it anything other than it was are shameless and dangerous. but the idea that this is all going to be about tying somebody to trump and this guy, he's all about trump, the guy is backing trump, if people don't like trump, you already got them. if people do like trump, you'll never get them. so stewart, the idea of that this is about democracy, isn't this almost a dead letter with
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democrats who haven't done anything about securing voting rights while they've been in power. if it's so bad, why can't they even get their own party to do something? >> that's a question to ask the democratic party. i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in the democratic party. what you said up front, the democrats would be a lot better off if they passed stuff people care about, the answer is overwhelmingly yes. but you have to shape the narrative, and say what is at stake. this isn't a normal time. the mistake that was made in virginia was to allow republicans to run as if this was a normal time, as if the republican party was not asserting that the current president of the united states was not elected legally. you can't treat this like a normal time. you have to go out and dig the
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ditch you're going to die in. in 2002, the last time a party in power gained seats, we nationalized that race. you nationalized it around domestic security. that's what democrats need to do about democracy, and they need to get about stopping republicans from usiing code words like critical race theory, and call them out for what it is, be aggressive. >> terrorism, domestic safety, whatever you want to call it, that was an easy sell to the american people. because you gave somebody an other. you gave them muslim extreme islamists. and they could get together around the fact that they were all afraid of that caricature. but scott, there is an instruction in stewart's argument for you guys. you are all quiet about the election returns, you're fine
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with them because you won. however, if your party falls back into the midterms of, i bet you if it's rigged, we don't win, are you worried about what kind of sell that is to the american people that undercuts our democracy? >> well, let me address the issue in the context of virginia. stewart and company argued that democracy is at stake, and they've demanded that republicans embrace that theory. youngkin comes along, a conservative republican with a standard set of republican ideals to solve problems. and says that joe biden was a legitimately elected president, denounced january 6th, did not embrace it. and still the democrats beat him about the head and face, you cannot have it both ways. you can't have the republicans do what stewart wants him to do, and then claim they're donald
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trump jr. anyway, it's not going to work. >> true. but the guy took the endorsement. he had trump talking for him all the time. he said he's going to vote for trump. >> donald trump didn't even go to virginia, didn't appear in the state one time. >> i think there are good reasons for it, especially with the way governor-elect youngkin took his phone call. who are you? i'm just saying, you guys won, you don't complain. you lose, you better not kb complain. you got to put the democracy first. scott and stewart, thank you for being with us. now, one of the best ways to understand what just happened is not to just look at the parties. look at the people. all right? let's bring in the wiz who is going to show us what brought
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independents out this time. okay? and how did progressives run into so much trouble across the country? barely hanging on in new jersey. the answer is in the numbers, next. will is saving big holiday shopping at amazon. so now, he's free to become... wonderland will. deck the halls with printer paper! recycled of course.
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introducing the all-electric eqs. happy holidays from mercedes-benz. breaking news, governor phil murphy apparently wins re-election in new jersey. the race was very close. you can look it at two ways. he's the first democrat in decades to win consecutive terms. but he was expected to win by big margins, but he didn't. harry, talk about it by the numbers. >> virginia and new jersey, two
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different states. we were all focusing on virginia. but the story is the same. look at the shift in the vote from 2020 to 2021. the gop gained more points in new jersey, 15 points, than in virginia. i'm not impressed by that, the fact is, a lot of politics today are nationalized. an incumbent governor, fairly well-liked, and almost lost in a state where joe biden won by 16 points. this is awful across the board. and we've seen that across contests this year. >> very interesting. voters who didn't want biden or donald trump. >> yeah. >> went to youngkin in virginia by a 2 to 1 margin. unpack.
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>> democrats, mcauliffe, wanted to make the campaign about donald trump. donald trump was not very well liked. but joe biden's disapproval rating was 53%. and that, i think, is the big problem here. democrats want to make it about the unpopular guy on the other side. they have an unpopular guy on their side. and the key part of that electorate, the voters who didn't like joe biden or donald trump, they went overwhelmingly for youngkin. a lot of voters in 2016 disliked donald trump, but he was able to win because he won the voters who disliked both hillary clinton and donald trump. and that's a bad sign, given how unpopular joe biden is at this point. >> also people who don't like trump came out four points less than those who don't like biden. now, you can say, 96, 92, the
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races are all so close now, that it matters. and minneapolis, another interesting outcome. the idea that we want to overhaul policing, it was crushed in minneapolis. not the whole state of minnesota. meaning, you had ethnic and racial diversity, economic diversity in there. what do you take away from that? >> look, minneapolis is a very democratic city. but it's not just that the police referendum to reform the police department went down. jacob frey, the incumbent mayor who was against that, also won. it's not just the policy, but the candidates who championed the policies. so voters are backing the police department, at least not wanting to reform it. and throughout the country, for the most part, people actually like the police. they don't like defund the
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police, which is one of the worst slogans i've ever heard. >> harry, the wizard of odds, thank you very much. we're going to keep unpacking what we've learned. you do a great job. thank you very much, wiz. appreciate you. >> thank you, my friend. a moderate democrat, okay, boy, that's like -- does that even exist now? what does a moderate democrat think of the message delivered by voters? we'll bring one in, and we'll have a conversation right after this. hi sushoney? yeah? i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad... try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love... plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? now get powerful relief with robitussin elderberry.
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it's not just the media linking the democrats' loss in virginia to the party's struggles in washington. here's the president of the united states today. >> i think we should have passed before election day. but i'm not sure that i would be able to have changed the number of very conservative folks who turned out and the red districts who were trump voters. but maybe, maybe. >> mr. president, with all due respect, it's your people who did not come out, and people who put you there who didn't come out, independents, specifically.
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let's bring in a democrat to discuss this, representative carolyn bordeaux. great to have you on "prime time." you were the only democrat to flip a house seat last year. and your district, suburban atlanta, none of this is new to you from what you learned from your own race. what do you hope comes from what happened? >> good to be here. i hope what we do is, we recenter ourselves around messages like the one that i ran on. and people can go look at my closing ads, i ran on bipartisanship, fiscal responsibility, and addressing serious issues like health care. and i think this is a chance to reset, to take a moment and really reflect on those, and deliver on the promises that
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many of us made during our campaigns. >> it's the last part you guys are struggling with. how frustrating is it for you to have a basket of policies that are wildly popular with the same people who just voted against terry mcauliffe in virginia, and yet it's being sold as really about the price tag? >> yeah, that's been something i've talked a lot about internally, and with the administration, we need to focus on what is in these bills. i've been pleased with how we've reframed the build back better agenda. very important to me, medicaid expansion, bringing down the cost of prescription medications. those are all things i ran on, and i am looking forward to telling people how we're delivering on those promises. >> and the quote here, i want to
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put up this text. a democratic congresswoman on biden. nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal, and stop the chaos. agree, disagree, and why? >> absolutely agree. and we have actually talked about this. the election with biden, it was about competence, kindness, up against chaos, racism, incompetence, that we saw coming out of the trump administration. people wanted that sense of return to normal. they wanted an administration that got things done, that was comp competent. going back to what i ran on, recentering ourselves around this message is really important. >> and if they didn't elect him to be fdr, during the campaign, he said he wanted to do fdr-like things. if that's true, why would the democrats put so much into these
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spending bills instead of picking things and getting some wins, getting some points on the board early on? >> if you know me, i've been a big advocate for getting the bipartisan infrastructure bill done. it was a great bill, it was bipartisan, addressed key needs in my community, addressed climate change. i'm anxious to get that back on the boards. and the build back better plan, it's more than paid for, with more revenues being raised than spent. it will leave some behind to help tackle the deficit. i think we've got a good package here. it's much more focused as well. and i think we need to now focus on delivering and getting the job done. >> congresswoman carolyn bordeaux, thank you very much. appreciate you. >> great to be here. a giant step forward.
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the darkness, 750,000 covid deaths in this country. the light, kids 5 to 11 are now starting to get the pfizer vaccine. >> starting the week of november 8th, our vaccination program for kids ages 5 through 11 will be running at full strength. >> you know why i just showed you that? because i can't think of a worse way to get parents geared up to get their kids the vaccine than to show needles going in the
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arms of kids. now, let's talk the real talk with dr. anthony fauci. great to have you, doc. you've been out there doing the opening round of messaging. you're not a politician, but it's critically important for the biden administration to have this conversation, and for the messaging to be very clear. are you guys aware of the stakes here? >> yes, very much so. it's important for the children. we have 28 million children, from 5 to 11 years old, who will benefit personally from a health standpoint. but also important in the ultimate control of the outbreak. you can look at it from two vantage points. the children who have been infected right now, from 5 to 11, the number of deaths that have been close to 100 deaths. about 8,300 hospitalizations,
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about 2,300 incidences of this multisystem inflammatory disease. purely on the basis of protection of children, it's important. and we know that children can induce spread infection in the context of the school and the household. there are so many reasons why. as you mentioned about messaging, it's critical, and i agree with you about that. parents are going to ask very reasonable questions. they're going to want to know the data, they want to be assured of the efficacy and safety. and we need to make that information very clear and available to them. >> we don't know that this is safe for kids. mrna, yes, you've been working on it for a long time. but you're basically cutting the dose for kids. we haven't seen enough. it's too risky, i'll take anything, i'm an adult. my kid, i'm much more cautious.
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what is the response? >> the safety profile is really quite good. the fda takes it very seriously. when they examine the data of the safety and efficacy for the benefit/risk ratio, they made it very clear that the benefit clearly outweighed any risk. getting kids infected is far, far worse than getting any rare event of an adverse event. the cdc and their advisory committee voted 14-0 for the regulation to be put into effect to get the children vaccinated. a lot of thought and a lot of care has gone into this. that's the message we have to get to parents who understandably have reasonable questions. >> two more things. they just don't that sick. when they're in school, there's a case here and there, and it
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doesn't really spread. and in our family, everybody has had it but the 11-year-old. i don't know what is going on with her, but she didn't get it. her friends are sick, i don't want to give it to her. that's not true, i'll give her the vaccine. my wife has done the research, that's how she feels. i don't even really have a say. but a lot of parents will feel that way. this kid has had people get sick around him or her, nobody gets that sick. why risk the vaccine? >> well, it is true that about 50% of the children are asymptomatic, that's the first thing. but they can spread the infection. chris, you have to look at history. we've vaccinated children for diseases that have far less severity, far less mortality, than what we're dealing with now with covid-19. we really have a responsibility to protect the children. you don't want to play russian roulette with this. well, this kid doesn't get
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infected, so i'm not going to worry about the other child. you can't walk away with it, the likelihood of a severe illness in a child is less than for an elderly person or someone who has an underlying condition. but you want to help to control the outbreak. >> now, when we start to get the data of kids being vaccinated, the only thing that i ask is as soon as you guys see things in the data, let us know. good, bad, or neutral. don't let the numbers get ahead of the explanation of the same. >> that has always been the case, and it will continue to be the case, i promise you that. >> because there have been problems where you guys knew things, the cdc knew things, but they weren't telling people yet. or they did, but they didn't tell them enough. we know how to do it right.
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dr. anthony fauci, i really appreciate you coming on, having this straight talk. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> be well. the baldwin movie set shooting, the legal team for the armorer who was in charge of the gun is now suggesting sabotage. we have someone who worked on "rust" who quit the production one day before the deadly shooting over safety concerns. why, and what does a pro make of the new explanation from the armorer? watch: serena williams... wonder woman.... serena... wonder woman... serena... ace. ♪ ♪ get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream.
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lawyers for the rust ar armorer, 24-year-old hannah gutierrez have a new theory to explain how a gun that she was in charge of ended up with a live round.
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>> there was a box of dummy rounds, and the box is labeled dummy. she loaded rounds from that box into the handgun only later to find out there is a -- she had no idea, she expected the rounds, but there was a live round. now we're assuming somebody put the live round in that box, which if you think about that, the person who put the live round in the box of dummy rounds had to have the purpose of sabotaging the set. >> they don't know that any of that happened, by the way. they don't have any evidence of that. okay. so what does it mean? we're going to talk about it with a crew member because crew members are coming forward. you're about to meet one of them who wanted off of that set because of unsafe working conditions, okay? our guest was "rust's" camera chief. he left the day before this happened. his name is lane looper. thank you very much. let me bounce a couple of tech questions off of you, and then
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we'll talk about your situation. first, do you buy the sabotage theory? >> no, and if they had any evidence of that they should be, you know, talking to the sheriff and not morning television shows. it's dangerous, and it's an irresponsible thaeeory to put o on tv. >> and you never heard anybody say they wanted to do something like that or have any inclination of why someone would try to do something like that? >> no, absolutely not, chris. you know, movie sets, it's a group of friends. you know, everybody there, you know, they deeply care for each other. >> right. look, i mean, their job if there's any litigation is going to be to cast doubt. >> yeah, of course. >> they don't have to prove it, remember, but the idea someone who's an armorer could load dummy bullets and actually be loading live rounds and not know it, even if they say they inspected the rounds? >> i mean, that would -- in my
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opinion, that's sheer negligence. it's not paying attention to what you're doing. it's absolute responsibility as the armorer to make sure you're loading the firearm and inspecting it before and after, and also not loading the firearm until right before you're going to shoot. you see we actually have instructions for that. we have industry wide safety bullets that specifically spell this out. >> now, you left the job right before because of safety concerns. i want you to talk about it in the context of the response from the "rust" producers. okay? mr. looper's allegations around budget and safety are false, patently. he had absolutely nothing to do with or knowledge of safety protocols or budgets, safety is always the number one priority on our films, and it's truly awful to see some using this tragedy for personal gain. you make the case of why you had
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legit safety concerns. >> chris, to borrow a phrase from the producers, first of all, it's patently false that i'm not responsible for safety because it's everybody's responsibility on set for safety. everyone from the production assistants all the way up to the top producers. so that's completely out the window in my book. as far as budgets and things like that go, that whole argument, it doesn't matter because what happened was -- is, you know, safety concerns were overlooked consistently, and it led to somebody dying on a movie set. you know, and that's the problem here in my opinion. >> do you believe that your decision to -- you know, to leave this set, had you ever done that before? >> no, absolutely not. it's unheard of and, to be honest, you know, i'm terrified
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of my own repercussion. for them to say this is for personal gain, it absolutely isn't. i don't want to be in front of cameras. my whole career is spent behind them. >> what was your biggest concern that made you leave the job? >> well, it started out with all these red flags throughout the entire course of the production. it started with a lack of safety meetings. it started with inexperienced key personnel. you know, a lot of people being brought in from out of town, you know. it was one red flag after another red flag until finally, you know, there was the negligent discharges that happened on october 16th where, you know, there were two firearm discharges that were not under anybody's control, and at that point they should have stopped filming, pulled the firearm out of circulation per the industry wide safety rules, but we kept filming anyway, and they never addressed it, and i addressed it with the producers themselves. >> got you. >> look, lane, i appreciate you coming forward and doing this and giving us some context on
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