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that no one ever expected to be as tight as it was. democrats pointing fingers at each other after their party's shellacking in the off year election. will they learn from their mistakes and try to head off a blood bath in next year's midterms? some answers from a pennsylvania democrat that represents a swing district and could be vulnerable in 2022. you're going to hear from her and a shocking and entirely unproven theory about what may have happened on the set of alec baldwin's movie "rust" leading to the shooting death of a cinematographer. the allegation, sabotage. i want to bring in bakari sellers and liam donovan. good evening to both of you. i hope you got some sleep, bakari because i haven't caught up after being on the air until 4:00 a.m. liam, you're a lucky man. i'm sure you got sleep last night. >> i have a 2-month-old, so i did not get sleep. >> you probably got less sleep than us then. okay. governor murphy celebrating the
narrowest of wins. take a listen to his message. >> tonight, i renew my promise to you whether you voted for me or not to work every single day of the next four years to keep moving us forward. so importantly forward with a deeper sense of fairness and a commitment to equity. forward by rejecting thedy i have sooifness and chaos that permeate too much of our politics. in short, forward living up to our jersey values. >> so, you know, even murphy admitted bakari that his people didn't show up yesterday but he was able to pull off a win unlike mcauliffe couldn't pull off a win. do you think the 2021 election will be a wakeup call for your party? >> i hope it is. i mean, it needs to be. there are a lot of us who have been saying that democrats need to wake up for a long period of time. the games being played and the democratic club in washington d.c., the games that sinema and
manchin are playing with progressives, all of that is just utter b.s. that doesn't serve the american people and it doesn't do anything to drive your voters out to the polls. i mean, murphy won the election and let me tell you, as somebody that's run elections and won and lost them it's much better to win them than lose them. no matter how much you win them by. so he was really good tonight. he was short. he talked about moving the country forward and right now the democratic party is paralyzed. look, this isn't -- i said it last night and i'll say it again. this isn't about progressive versus moderate. this is about the fact that democrats can't get anything done and yes, i know about shots in arms. i know about stimulus packages. i don't want you feeding me that on twitter. i want actually something done right now that changes people's lives. right now we're bogged down and act like we went lead this country when we have the white house, the house, and the senate. that is very difficult for any state candidate to win in a nationalized election. >> many democrats, liam, are
pointing to all the talk of critical race theory and the culture wars as a reason why youngkin won but wasn't it much more than that? parents were angry about their kids being out of school for so long and, you know, how all of that was handled. there were a number of things. >> to your point, don, crt is something you can pick out and talk about at length but i think this is a nep louse term that was a and the-in for all kinds of other frustrations. i'm a northern virginia parent. our kids switched schools for that reason. there is all kinds of frustration and this is something that tapped into it and captured as a catch all a lot of things that were going out there in the electorate. it's not just about crt, even in new jersey they weren't talking about crt but property taxes. the uniform shift across the country, across the states was there. if you had an r next to your name last night you were in good shape. everyone can come away with lessons of what went right and wrong. it's really easy to do that. at the end of the day the
fact that the president is not overly popular right now. there is a year to get that back up. if things don't change in the next 12 months, it will be real trouble for democrats in the midterms. >> bakari, i want to play something for you to respond to. this is democratic senator doug jones what he said about the election losses. >> this is an old playbook for democrats. they don't go where people are sometimes and they win elections and they're going to turn right around and lose elections. i think democrats have to take a very serious look at who they're really talking to. >> okay. so listen, you said this is not about progressives versus moderates or whatever but i mean, is he right? has the democratic party moved too far to the left? >> that's not what he talked about. he wasn't talking about the shades of democrats but the fact regardless of what shade you are, regardless of what wing you are, you have to meet voters where they are. he's so right. we're giving up on suburban white women and rural voters. we are not going to where voters are, and to the critical race
theory point, look, critical race theory is a lee atwater it's trafficking in that undercurrent or using racism as a political currency to boost your turnout amongst a certain group. when you don't know how to talk about race, democrats, then republicans will fill that void. and what happened yesterday in virginia was that we didn't give particularly black voters a reason to come out in numbers that would have pushed or been able to offset the numbers -- >> but also independents, as well. you didn't give independents a reason to come out, as well. >> that's the larger point and so when i say that democrats have to do something, it's the same thing that was echoed today by tim kaine. it the same thing echoed today by james clyburn and the same thing that kind of sort of was echoed by joe manchin. still today we had a vote where we actually weren't able to pass voting rights reform and the
white house came out and said the soul of the nation is at stake or something, blah, blah, blah, blah and didn't mention filibuster one time. so people are out here thirsting for something and democrats are like well, you know, we're going to hang out together and talk about the soul of the nation and do these little games and give these press conferences and maybe people will vote for us. it's not happening. >> liam, listen, republicans may be eyeing youngkin's playbook of keeping donald trump at a distance. do you think that will work going forward because we know donald trump is going to be running his mouth and the data shows that suburban women do not like him. >> yeah, that's right. i think the president showed some interesting uncharacteristic restraint in staying out of this until the end. i think the press releases aren't getting the same reach they might have before. is that something that will continue into next year? you know, i think the fact that he doesn't have the same platform is something that's really beneficial to republicans. frankly, it's beneficial to his fortunes. he's his own worst enemy in a lot of ways.
it's going to be difficult for him to maintain the same hold over the news cycle he enjoyed in the past. you know, i don't think republicans will be that fortunate but i do think youngkin did a good job of keeping that arm's length distance but connecting with people not antagonizing the president or voters and he was able to kind of, you know, unite the clans in a way that again, in the uniform way across the state and the rural areas and suburbs, he was able to out perform donald trump by 10 to 15 points and those results pulled forward in other states and other races could really pay dividends for republicans heading into the fall. >> liam, bakari, thank you. appreciate it. both of you gentlemen get sleep. both of you have young children. bakari has two of them. >> i'm going to bed. i want to turn to jon meacham, who occasionally advises joe biden.
so glad you're here. help us make sense of this. what is going on here? >> look, we're having a conversation that is rational and grounded and part of a familiar vernacular of politics, off-year election signals this, heading into midterms. suburban voters do this, suburban vote doers that. it a totally normal conversation. however, this is a totally abnormal time. we have to remember that as a country and i'm not saying this as a partisan, i'm not a democrat, i'm no a republican, i'm just saying this as a citizen take my opinion or not. we live in an era the former president of the united states continues to say that the constitution should not have been followed when his own fate was on the ballot. we had an insurrection in this country ten months ago and
everything we can think of that we value, which is to say constitutional order, the give and take of democracy, seeing each other as neighbors and not as adversaries, the things that actually make a democracy for all of its failings and all of its imperfections work, those are still at risk so the question about what does this mean for biden? is he up? is he down? no, it was a bad week. politics is about winning in many ways and the democrats didn't win a big one. they barely won one in new jersey. absolutely. totally get it. >> so do you think the pundits are being hyperbolic? are they overanalyzing it? is this really an inflection point on his presidency? >> i'm mr. hyperbole. i judge not less i be judged but absolutely. i mean, this -- we're looking at a set of data but largely in isolation, i think. look at this set of data but
take a step back and look at this as a five to ten-year window, in that frame. what does it tell you? it tells you, i believe, that president biden's success as a president matters to the country. and again, i say that not as a partisan. i say that as someone who just believes fund mentally that we haven't come up with a better system yet, this is the one we've got and unity as i define it is about chonly accepting the rules of the road. if you lose, you get back in the arena and try to win and try to obey a social contract, which is that you give a little so you can take some. >> yeah. >> and the fact that i'm having to lay this out, you know and talk about john lock and thomas hobbs and all this is a sign i think that we're in a fundamental struggle for over
the question do we want a democracy or do we want an oligarchy, a kind of one party, wield the power rule? >> it scars me to answer that question. john, your picture is frozen. we can hear you loud and clear so we'll pretend this is an old fashion phoner, phone interview with jon meacham. that's historian jon meacham speaking. his signal has frozen. in the pandemic days we deal with these things. jon, biden has been acting as the peacemaker in the party trying to get different factions to compromise and work together. we all remember, look, it's not working. we all remember what happened the first term of the obama administration, the republicans didn't want to work with him. the same thing is happening with biden. should he have learned from that or change tactics? is kumbaya just not going to work in the climate we're in? >> how is he kumbaya?
>> he's saying i want to work together, no one wants to work with him. he's saying we've got to get this done, i want to work with this person, and coddle this person. it doesn't seem being the nice guy that can bring everyone together is helping to get his agenda across the finish line. >> there is no alternative, don. he's -- the republicans have checked out. there is no question about getting a republican vote on this domestic program, which is about something that we may look at as a generational achievement. if joe biden passes universal prekindergarten, this may become a part of the fab try of this country, and the administration has not talked much about the specifics of the program as the price tag is dominant but he doesn't have any
alternative. he has to deal with the senator from west virginia and the senator from arizona. i have an old seventh grade teacher that said if sands and butts were candy and nuts, we would have all a merry christmasty. >> by the way, your picture is back. your picture is back. he does, jon, he has the bully pulpit. he can be out there every night selling and quite frankly as some of his predecessors have done shaming, strong arming, convincing, putting pressure upon but we don't see any of that and here is what we see. 2:00 in the afternoon he comes out and gives a speech for the most part that is in a teleprompter and reads it and goes away. we don't see the vice president. what people are saying to me and i'm sure they're saying it to you, where is the vice president? where is joe biden? where are the democrats? what are they doing? we don't know.
maybe they became used to the former guy as this president calls him being out there every day, obama certainly was more present than this particular president. i think people have concerns about is he up to the moment? does he realize the moment that he's in? this is no longer the time he was vice president nor is it the time when he was a senator. things are quite different now. >> yeah. my opinion for what it's worth is that of course he's up to this moment. the country needs to be up to it with him. it's not just him on trial. it's the rest of us. the tactics of it we can argue about endlessly and success as a thousand fathers and defeats an orphan but he has not been defeated yet. i think he's governing in this incredibly difficult moment, harder than obama, harder than -- you really have to --
we're as polarized as the 1850s and we know how that decade turned out. what are the similarities? you have an imblackable opposition that does not simply disagreeing on the merits of an issue and does not see politics as a mediation of differences but has a fundamentally different vision of reality and the constitution itself. this is an incredibly polarized moment and as lincoln said, as our case is new, we have to thi and act anew, and i think -- i know the president is working incredibly hard to try to govern in what is an incredibly difficult moment and i would say for everybody out there who is watching you and interested in all this, if you feel strongly that there are things in these bills you want, speak up. incentivize it. make it clear to legislators
that they're not going to get punished if they do something that actually requires, god help us, a little bit of compromise. one of the things we've lost is that you used to be able to give the other side a vote or two and that's incredibly difficult now. >> that's always your points are salient and you're a brilliant man. i love hearing from you and having these conversations. of course we all respect the president and should but things -- you know, got to be asked. is he up for the challenge in these times? is he the man for the moment? that's why everybody voted for him. >> let's say again, i think the real question is are we up for it? i don't think biden is on trial here, i think we are. i really believe that. >> that's a very good question and my producers say why aren't you moving on because we have to get the break in. thank you, sir. appreciate it. so, it is the most drastic policing reform proposal to hit the polls and it failed.
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so voters are sending a message about policing in america. retired police captain eric adams elected as the new mayor of new york city and former brooklyn borough president. in minneapolis 56% of voters rejecting a major overhaul of policing so joining me now to discuss is sandra samuel, the president and ceo of north side achievement zone in minneapolis. good to see you. thank you so much. don't have a lot of time so let's get to it. i want to break down what minneapolis rejected. the ballot measure would have replaced a police department with a department of public safety, removed a requirement to employ a minimum number of officers and split oversight between the mayor and city council. this is inspired by george floyd's murder but failed. why? >> well, it failed because it was an either or and wasn't a both and approach. it failed because there was no plan attached with it.
it failed because the sole purpose of this was defunding and eliminating the police. last year nine council members stood on a stage on cnn had a big defund the police and they moved since then to do that. this moving, changing of the charter would have done that and our city, our democratic city resoundingly said we have to do both. we have to reform police because it's egregious and heinous and we can't have another george floyd murder and we have to protect the 83% of black people murdered and maimed and shot at in this city right now. eight out of ten people shot and killed are black. so black lives matter. >> yeah. >> they need to matter no matter who kills you. >> you have been an active member in the community working towards public health and safety for many years and i know you were against the measure, have
sued over it and sued the city to increase police levels but you still want reform as you've said. you said an and approach. what should that be if not this? >> well, what it should be is where we actually talk to our community across minneapolis. it never happened, don. a political action committee funded by millions of dollars while the whole defund movement from across the country came up with the language. the citizens of this city never got asked what did we want in terms of public safety? so the and is again reform, transparency and changes to the police culture, changes and our african-american police chief and mayor have been doing that. no more warrior style policing no more -- >> can i ask you something quickly? >> yeah. >> yes, because i have to go. we had to go. did that defund slogan hurt your efforts?
>> did it hurt our efforts? >> yeah, did it hurt efforts for reform -- >> it did because it took the focus off of both and that we can actually reform policing because we need police but good police and that's what black folks said and it took its eye off of all of the 30 children who have been murdered in the city before. never before in my time of living on the north side, don, has it been so much violence and crime against black people and it took our eye off of that. i'm so happy the city came together and said a resounding no, a democratic city like many other democratic cities that are reforming and refunding. >> sondra samuels, thank you. we'll have you back. i love having these conversations with you. be well. thank you. people don't care about the back and forth on capitol hill. people care about the economy and high gas prices and expensive groceries and concerns about the rights of parents to have a say what is taught in schools but are democrats listening?
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lies for democrats' losses last night and how does your party rebound from this? >> so i don't really see the point in assigning blame. first of all, i don't know where the blame would lie. i'm a big believer that the individual candidates are very much the masters of their own destiny myself included, every member that i serve with, it's up to us to win our races and i just don't see a whole lot of point in pointing fingers or trying to assign blame. i think where we go from here is exactly where i was intending to go over the coming year, which is coming to work incredibly hard for my district and quite honestly, toting the many successes that we as a party have had and that i have had and taking things home and delivering them for my district. >> so no blame but is there a lesson in it from last night? it was, you know, overwhelmingly there seems to be concern from
the democratic party or there should be concern when you look at what happened in virginia and how close new jersey was or is. what do you think? is there a lesson in it? >> the only thing i'd say is i think voters are really looking for relatable candidates. i think they're looking for people who have had the kinds of life experiences they have who can relate to the experiences that they're currently going through and their problems. and i'm not sure that that bill was filled. either with governor murphy who won reelection or with former governor mcauliffe. i think that that's the lesson to be learned is make sure we're running candidates who fit their district. >> yeah. listen, honestly voters have been watching all the dysfunction, the squabbling in washington trying to pass this infrastructure bill and expand social programs.
was it a mistake to tie the two together? >> so, don, i don't think you've seen the floor speech i gave a couple days ago on this. i don't see it as highly dysfunctional. what we've been doing is legislating and let me just say if -- i'll get to your question in one second. if we were trying to put together a transformative bill like this and we just rushed it through and didn't read it and edit it and review it and go, you know, some of it falls by the wayside on the cutting room floor, in things get put in later, if we didn't go through that process, people would be criticizing us for rushing this through -- >> congresswoman, i understand that and i saw your floor speech but with all due respect you may not see it that way but the voters certainly do and the polling shows that and the results of the election last night also show that, people are concerned about the dysfunction and don't think you can get anything done and don't care about the sausage making.
they see it as dysfunctional and you guys haven't gotten anything done. >> well, i don't think that's true but it may be that we're not very good at reminding people we got the american rescue plan through and you can bet that when these bills get through, people are going to know about them. people are going to know about the difference in their lives not only because we're going to be messaging about it, but because they're going to feel the impact. and so with all due respect, i don't think this -- you know, it's not us putting the sausage making up on display. in many cases, it is main stream media doing so. a lot of people have quite frankly checked out of the sausage making process and want to know what it's going to look like at the end. having said that, yeah, some elections were lost last night but i don't think that it has a whole lot to do with what congress has done over the past few months as we have been working incredibly hard to bring a bout a very important bill.
>> fair enough. let's talk about the house speaker what she did today. she put family leave back into the build back better bill. help us understand that. what's the rational behind that? >> well, that's kind of process i was just talking about. there was a great deal of concern when family leave was taken out of the bill. we have heard from constituents everywhere about how important family leave is to them, whether it's because they've had a child, because somebody in their family is sick, because an elderly relative needs their assistance. and we are one of the only countries in the world, only highly developed countries that doesn't have some sort of family leave and so when it was left out of the bill, a number of my colleagues stepped up and started calling for it and that was all based on what we were hearing from constituents, absolute dismay. this is what we do, we put things forward and hear from
people and modify things and edit it. >> representative, best of luck. we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. thank you so much. he'll be the second black man to hold the job. former police captain eric adams elected as new york city mayor. we'll take a closer look at him next. symptoms, get your zzz's... and get back to your rhythm. feel the power. beat the symptoms fast.
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will become the second black chief captain. adams is a born and bred new yorker whose concerns about rising crime is that public safety is key to prosperity in the city. tonight gloria borger looks at the journey adams has taken to get to city hall. >> reporter: for eric adams, it been a long and deliberate trek from his childhood home in blue collar queens to gracie mansion. >> right here was ms. brown. i used to run her papers. >> reporter: not anymore. how long have you wanted to be mayor? is this the job you always dreamed of? >> not always dreamed of but it happened 24 years ago. >> reporter: when a mentor gave him advice about climbing the political ladder, he took it. >> he said if you want to be mayor, here are four things you need to do. >> reporter: so he got a masters degree and joined the police department and became a state senator, then brooklyn borough president. >> i'm on queue what i'm supposed to do. i'm the mayor.
>> reporter: what exactly happens next is anyone's guest. >> i'm evolving as a man. i'm evolving as a dad. i'm going to evolve if i'm the mayor of the city of new york. >> reporter: all guided by a personal anthem. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: frank sinatra's my way. >> it's just eric adams all the way. i'm sure you knew i bit off more than i can chew. >> reporter: and you play it a lot? >> all the time. every day. whenever i'm feeling as though i hit an obstacle, i throw on "my way". >> reporter: his way has always been unconventional. >> this is not a fashion trend. >> reporter: taking on saggy pants in 2010 or teaching parents where to search for their kids' drugs. >> could be just a baby-doll but also it could be a place you could hide drugs. >> he's never shied away from the spotlight. >> i remember working on a story
in brooklyn. he was a state senator and the trunk of his car was a podium so he could hold a press conference any time, anyplace that looked efficient. >> reporter: the eric adams story begins here at precinct 103 in jamaica, queens. in 1975, he and his brother were arrested for criminal trespass into the home of a go go dancer. >> they took us down stairs to the lower level and they kicked us repeatedly in our groin. >> reporter: the incident stayed with him and adams later joined the police department on a mission to reform it. >> questions must be answered. >> reporter: focussing on racial discrimination. at 61 adams' belief in the power of his own life story became his campaign's main message. >> i wanted to be felt. i wanted to tell new yorkers different parts of my life, what it was like to be arrested. what was it like to live on the verge of homelessness. the people you represent was me.
>> reporter: so i wanted to really show them that their fizz are my fizz and their worries are my worries. >> reporter: how does this personal history no matter how compelling translate into governing? people are worried about crime in the streets. they're worried real estate is out of control. there is not enough low income housing in the city. you name it. so what is your plan of action? >> the foundation is safety. we can talk about all the other pieces but we have to be safe. if we're not safe, tourism is not going to return. no business is going to stay if the employees can't ride our subway systems to get to their office space. >> so how do you do that? >> you start to make sure you hit reset with the police department. you go to the precinct and talk to my officers and let them know i have your backs. i'm going to be there for you but darn it, if you don't understand the mobility of
public protection, you can't serve in my department. >> reporter: he says reform the police, don't defund them. reduce homelessness by repurposing empty hotels, reimagine school lunches that focus on healthy veggies as he did, becoming vegan when diagnosed with severe diabetes five years ago. you have said you will be misunderstood. why? >> i'm going to be a broccoli mayor. you won't like it when you eat it but long term you'll see the benefits of it. >> only by new york city standards could you call eric adams a centrists or moderate. it might be more accurate to say he's a realist. >> reporter: he seems allergic to the activists left in his party presenting himself as probusiness and prounion helping the poor without driving out the wealthy. >> in this city, we have 8.8 million people. only 65,000 paid 51% of our income taxes.
if we lose those 65,000 because they feel unsafe or because we don't believe they're part of our ecosystem, you know what happens? we lose funding for our museums. we lose funding for broadway. >> reporter: adams himself faced questions about whether he even lived in the city or in new jersey. >> people know i'm a brooklyn -- >> reporter: over the years, he's been dogged by ethics complaints, which he answers with derision. >> i like to say i'm a lion and lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheeps. >> reporter: the times did an investigation that said your fundraising efforts pushed the boundaries of campaign finance and ethics law. >> they have their opinion and i have my opinion. i'll let people know how i feel all the time. no silent suffering from me. >> reporter: adams glides easily between new york burroughs, the
wealth of the nearby hamptons, and the night life in the city that never sleeps to the joy of photographers and his opponents. >> eric adams is with the elites, the suites, the tiktok girls, trying to live up to the kardashians at club zero. come on, eric. come back. come back to the streets and subways. >> i am the american dream. >> reporter: back on the street where he grew up as he thinks about running the city, he also thinks of his mom who worried about him as he struggled with undiagnosed dyslexia. >> she said i pray for you. out of all of my children, i pray the hardest for you. >> reporter: she died earlier this year leaving behind her well worn and annotated bible. >> it almost became an anchor because there were days we had nothing but prayer. this is the bible that i'm going to place my hands on when i'm sworn in. >> reporter: adams becomes mayor after beating a slew of more progressive democrats in the new
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entirely unproven theory about what may have happened on the set of alec baldwin's movie "rust" leading to the shooting death of the film's cinematographer. a lawyer for hannah gutierrez-reed, the film's armorer. here's nick watt. >> reporter: the armorer on the set of "rust" is in the spotlight. her lawyer claims this could have been sabotage. >> there was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labeled dummy. she loaded rounds from that box into the handgun. >> reporter: but of course, we now know the round was live, fired by alec baldwin, killing cinematographer halyna hutchins. >> we're assuming somebody put the live round in that box. i believe that somebody who would do that would want to sabotage the set, want to prove a point, want to say that they're disgruntled, they're unhappy. >> reporter: no comment on that theory from the sheriff's office.
meantime, a crew member who resigned the day before hutchins died is talking. >> i think with "rust" it was a perfect storm with the armorer, the assistant director, the culture on set. the rushing. >> reporter: when he quit, he sent an email to producers. during the filming of gun fights, things are played fast and loose, he wrote. so far, there have been two accidental weapons discharges. luper also lambasted lax covid restrictions and a lack of nearby hotel accommodation for crew. >> and specifically gun safety, a lack of rehearsals, a lack of, you know, preparing the crew for what we were doing that day. >> reporter: mr. luper's allegations around budget and safety are patently false, say "rust's" producers. it is truly awful to see some using this tragedy for personal gain. baldwin, producer and star, says he can't comment on the
investigation, but share what looked like comments from the film's costume designer with the instruction saying this. the story being spun of us being overworked and being in unsafe conditions is bs. now, we were unable to reach that costume designer for comment, but we have read another resignation email from another crew member who says, i also feel anxious onset. he went on to say that the assistant director rushes so quickly that props hasn't even had a chance to bring ear plugs. and he rolls and the actors fire anyway. this has become a bit of a he said, she said phase of this situation. we are still waiting for the sheriff's incident report, which might shed a little bit more light. don? >> nick watt, thank you very much. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.
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