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vote so far. you can see they're all democratic counties which means that most of the votes still to come in is from these areas including places like hudson county, new jersey, where phil murphy has 73% of the vote, just 81% in, essex, nearby, newark, the biggest urban county, murphy, 73%, just 84% in. so you can expect over the next couple of days as they get more of the mail vote counted and it grows, his margin will grow. again, a win is a win. democrats are thrilled about that. what they're not so thrilled about here is the margins. let me show you. again, 35,000, about 1.4%. i want to compare that to joe biden's win, just one year ago, it is not like this was that long ago. let's go back, let's look at the presidential race there. and you can see joe biden had 725,000 vote margin. that's a lot different than
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35,000 and the margin in percent terms, i think i'm bad at math, 15.8%. so that's big. that's big. you're talking about a huge swing in just one year. where is that swing? let's go back to the governor's race here. you see phil murphy's margin again. let's look at the counties that joe biden won that phil murphy didn't. there are four counties. you see them here in red, biden won, phil murphy lost. let's look at the vote swings there. you see jack ciattarelli the republican winning morris county by 14 points. that's pretty healthy. joe biden won it by 4 points. that's a 16-point flip. let's look at another one. in the south, blue collar areas of new jersey, big swings. this is atlantic county, jack ciattarelli won that by 12 points. joe biden won it by 6. an 18-point swing there in the blue collar. now, republican counties, i want to look at one of the could counties that phil murphy did win, bergen county, outside new york city, you can see joe --
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phil murphy's margin is five points, won it by five points. but president biden won it by 16 points. even the more democratic counties pretty big swings there. so, yes, a win is a win for phil murphy. he will be governor for four more years. but you can see how there have been big changes in one year, brianna. >> yeah, very dramatic. berman, thank you for that. so one of the top issues for voters was the economy. and one of the central questions is where have all the workers gone? employers across the country are scrambling to find people to fill open jobs. cnn chief business correspondent christine romans is with us now. i talk sometimes to business owners, and i noticed, like, their hours are shorter. and you ask them why and it is because they can't find workers. >> that's absolutely right. they had to get really creative and pulling their hair out. you heard it called the great resignation. we know that americans are -- they're quitting their jobs in record numbers, millions since
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this spring, 3 million in june and july. in august, another 4.3 million workers simply quit. so where are they going? they're starting new businesses, believe it or not. more than 4.3 million new business applications. that's the biggest spike of new business creation on record. millions of americans are taking care of their family. nearly 5 million people are not working because they're taking care of kids. 3 million are concerned about getting or spreading the virus. and millions, brianna, are retiring. they're afraid of the virus and they got record high stocks and home equity to buoy them. the share of retirees in the working population is almost 20%, that's the highest since 2005. >> some of them have retired. some of them are still in the workforce and they're not getting hired. i think that's a bit overlooked. some of them are sitting out because they're waiting to see how the pandemic evolves. some are waiting as long as they possibly can to go back to the
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jobs that they had to leave. for good reason. they weren't probably the greatest jobs to begin with. and so to find the workers means to reshape the workforce. >> and ultimately workers are demanding more out of their job than just the paycheck. it is why we're seeing so much job hopping among the employed, especially in finance and information and professional business services, where work from home policies and higher wages are luring in workers and causing them to hop from one job to the other. wages are rising for low wage industries too. but inflation is rising just as fast there. a welcome development this week, payroll processor adp showed 571,000 jobs created in the private sector last month. the official government jobs number, of course, is tomorrow morning. the forecast there, 385,000 jobs added back. but this is really been the new landscape for workers and you heard larry summers say to you last hour, used to be workers are looking for jobs, now jobs
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are looking for workers. >> yeah, they certainly are. christine, thank you so much for explaining that. joining me now is the former chairman of the president's council of economic advisers, president trump's council of economic advisers kevin hassett with us, a new book out called "the drift: stopping american's slide to socialism." first off, what is driving this labor shortage from where you see it? >> i thought that report was very well done. in the beginning, i think there were a lot of people saying maybe because of expanded unemployment benefits but it is a much more complicated story than that. i think really what happened a lot is people stayed home and found they could somehow manage that and i think it is right that with record high equity and house prices that people have decided, especially older people that are close to retirement, why should i go back into the workforce right now when i learned how comfortable it is. maybe they learned that time with their family is worth more than they thought.
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the supply chain thing is interestingly related to it because a disproportionate share of, like, truckers and longshoremen are people who are kind of older and closer to retirement and have maybe decided not to show up. so there are massive shortages of workers in the supply chain, especially, you know, truck drivers and people who work at ports. >> and so on this issue we have been hearing how it affects people, just, you know, when you're grocery shopping. we all feel it. we feel it at the gas pump. how concerned are you babout inflation. larry summers says this may go on for six months or longer. do you agree with that? >> we have been in agreement about inflation this year. the fact is a lot of it will depend on what happens with legislation this year. because the story of inflation always and everywhere is that if you throw lots of money at
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demand, and then we don't have enough supply to meet that demand, then prices go up. and so if the biden administration does really lift taxes on small business, proposing having the highest marginal tax rate in the developed world, highest in the oecd, big corporate tax increase, if that stuff gets through, you'll be pushing supply down at the same time you're cutting checks to people to push demand up. that backdrop, i think, is the most inflationary that we have seen really all the way back to the '70s. i wouldn't be surprised if the 4% or 5% inflation we see now were to double next year if those policies pass. >> do you see this also as a recession of the -- pardon me, an extension of the inflation of the trump years? >> well, inflation really accelerated this year. i think that what really happened is that, remember, i was back at the white house helping to design the pandemic relief and i think that the pandemic relief was super important, but what we did, we
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went up as white house people to the hill and we talked to democrats and we said, you know, this covid thing is developing quickly, we're not sure how long we're going to have to be shut down, what the negative economic is going to be. we passed five stimulus bills a little bit at a time that were right sized for the amount of time that we needed to buy. i think i probably was on your show saying we're building a bridge to the other side. i was out in front of the white house. i think the mistake president biden's team made is they came in, remember all those things president trump passed with unanimous consent on capitol hill, so despite the fact that everybody had bad feelings, impeachments coming and things, they had 98 votes in the senate for stimulus bills. biden comes in and instead of following that playbook, just passes this really massive stimulus that they designed at a time when there are 250,000 covid cases a day, and before the delta variant, that dropped down to 50,000 by the time they passed the bill. they ended up with a bill that
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was way too large. that's the main cause of inflation, the reason it took off. >> it is also, kevin -- gdp -- >> it leveled off. all the stimulus was right sized. all the stimulus was about right sized right before president biden came in, in the sense that after the biggest decline in gdp since the great depression, gdp was about flat in 2020, and so you could have for sure had a little bit more stimulus, but they threw way too much at it. in january -- >> but, kevin, you know -- >> -- it was too big. >> you know gdp growth was pretty blah in the trump administration before the pandemic. and you saw what the fed was doing with interest rates. so you also have these other elements going on. and there was inflation because of the covid relief package. and we have seen a continuation of that. >> well, the inflation really accelerated this year. and indeed at the beginning of the year when i was out on tv saying that there is going to be a lot of inflation this year, i
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took a lot of criticism for that. and so i think that the solution is to try to get back to normal as quickly as possible. and to not try to throw so much demand at the economy if we're going to at the same time constrain supply. if you do that, you'll get more inflation. as larry suggested, there is a way out, and the way out is to sort of -- as the fed is tapering, it is bond purchases for the federal government to taper its stimulus. >> you are actually, kevin, talking to us from west palm beach. you were at an event last night at mar-a-lago where former president trump spoke. what did he say? >> oh, he's actually speaking tonight. so you got a little bit of that. but he was around mar-a-lago last night. >> did you get to talk to him? >> i'll talk about it -- president trump some other time. but the american first policy institute is having a black tie gala tonight. president trump is going to be speaking for the first time since the pig ebig election and
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think everybody is sitting back and waiting to see what he has to say. hundreds of republicans from all over the country are including, senators and officials from all walks of life. >> is he accepting -- you did see him -- is he accepting the results of the virginia election? >> i think he's already congratulated youngkin. there is no reason to question -- >> does he have any -- does he have any complaints about the virginia election seeing as the candidate distanced himself from trump to a pretty significant degree and it worked? >> i think that if you look at the numbers in virginia that youngkin outperformed president trump in parts where people really still loved trump when you drive around southwestern virginia, you see trump signs everywhere. i think youngkin found the magic mix, he got the suburban people around d.c. to split the vote
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more than happened during the election and able to keep the trump wave in the rural counties. so congratulations to glenn youngkin. he really ran a brilliant campaign. i think it is important to remember that terry mcauliffe was running against a lot of negative forces that sort of really terrible events in loudon county and the school meetings and the biden/afghanistan debacle. so many things have gone wrong this year that any incumbent would have some trouble and the fact that mcauliffe made it so close i think is interesting in the sense that it shows that democrats are really loyal to democrats even when they're in quite a bad year. >> yeah. look, we see a lot of that on both sides. but certainly there was quite a shift that is, i think, very eye opening for both democrats and for republicans. kevin, thank you so much. and please report back to us after this big event tonight. >> i'm sure you'll see some clips. there are going to be a lot of cameras there. >> we're interested in the behind the scenes stuff, kevin.
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you did not deliver on that, i have to say. thank you for coming on this morning. appreciate it. so coming up, what is going on here between democrats on the senate floor? what is that? one of the lawmakers at the receiving end of that tense finger point is senator joe manchin. he's going to join us live. and bad behavior in the skies, cnn has exclusive reporting on how prevalent it is and a new tactic that the tsa is about to deploy. packers quarterback aaron rodgers, earlier this year said, yeah, he had been immunized against covid. turns out he's reportedly not vaccinated and now tested positive. what's going on here? this is the new world of work. each day looks different than the last. but, whatever work becomes, the world works with servicenow. ♪ say it's all right ♪ ♪ say it's all right, it's all right ♪
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support, and 5g included in every plan, so you get it all. just in to cnn, some new details about the significant challenge that is facing the faa and handling unruly airline passengers. out of the nearly 5,000 violent incidents, only 227 enforcement actions were initiated and just 37 sent to the justice department. cnn's pete muntean joins me now. this makes no sense to me. >> there is a bit of good news here. the faa cannot press criminal charges. it can only assess civil fines, but it can refer the cases to the department of justice to ultimately charge these unruly passengers. these 37 cases are maybe the most extreme we have seen so
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far, according to the faa. it says in a new psa you're seeing for the first time on cnn, you're going to see the letter that somebody would get if they're fined by the faa and this case was ultimately referred to the faa. i've been seeing these psas since the start of this issue, this is maybe the most powerful yet. >> . ♪ ♪ >> the goal here is to make sure these jerks on planes face prison time. this highlights the issue that
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in many cases many of these unruly passengers just walk free. they don't ultimately end up in the hands of law enforcement. there is a bit of a shift in tide there. i'll get to that in a second. the head of the faa said yesterday to a senate hearing that he is trying to close the gaps on this issue. here's what he said. >> i think we're making good progress, but there is certainly more to be done. and it really does require the cooperation of all those private sector stake holders and including the airports as well as the various aspects of the federal government, faa, tsa and doj and we'll stay focused on that. >> so there may be a bit of a start of a shift here in that incident last week that the american airlines ceo called one of the most horrible cases of unruly passengers in the airline's history where a passenger allegely punched a flight attendant in the face, federal investigators did meet that passenger at the gate and he could face up to 20 years in
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prison because of that. so maybe a bit of a shift we're seeing happening now. >> shouldn't at a certain point an unruly passenger be banned from flying, period, instead of just from one airline or even for a finite amount of time, something that sends the message home? >> airlines in many cases are banning these passengers. but the issue is there is not much communication airline to airline. they keep that information on passengers relatively close to the vest. so somebody could get banned from one airline and then fly on a different airline. we have been asking the head of the transportation pete buttigieg on this there should be a federal ban list, he said that is something that should be on the table but no commitment fully on that. >> he was very squishy when i asked him about it. pete, thank you so much. >> details on the deadly car crash involving former nfl player henry ruggs. the victim has been identified as 23-year-old tina tinter and her dog maxi. prosecutors say ruggs was driving more than 150 miles per
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hour before the fatal crash. cnn's coy wire has more on this story. >> las vegas police say former raiders wide receiver henry ruggs was driving 156 miles per hour with a blood alcohol content twice nevada's legal limit before a fiery crash tuesday morning that left a 23-year-old woman dead. ruggs made his initial court appearance yesterday on felony charges of dui resulting in death and reckless driving. if convicted he can face up to 26 years in prison. raiders interim head coach spoke about ruggs hours after he was cut by the team. >> his terrible lapse in judgment, the most horrific kind, something that he'll have to live with the rest of his life. the gravity of the situation is not lost on anyone here and we understand and respect the loss of life. >> the judge set bail at $150,000 under the condition that ruggs wears a monitoring device and surrenders his passport. back to you.
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democratic lawmakers concerned about 2022 after defeats in multiple races in tuesday's elections. one of the issues they're pointing to in action on two key bills critical to biden's legislative agenda, the infrastructure bill and the social agenda bill. joining us now is a key lawmaker in negotiations on those bills, senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia. senator manchin, always a pleasure to have you on. what lesson do you think democrats should take from the election results yesterday? >> john, first of all, always good to be on with you and brianna, and about the election
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on tuesday, the takeaway i have, john, the country is extremely divided. when you have two blue states that come down after 2 million votes have been cast and down within 100, 200 in separation and looks like governor murphy is going to win in new jersey, and my friend terry mcauliffe was not as fortunate in virginia, and there is just a change. and people are basically saying, come together, work together and if you can't, we're going to keep shaking things up and they're shaking them up at the polls. >> one thing president biden says may have had an impact in virginia was the failure to pass these two large bills. what responsibility do you feel that you have in that? >> here's the thing, john. there is two bills. two different bills. but basically we have a china compete, you seek a bill, $250 billion for this country to basically get up and compete as we always have, the innovation,
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the research and development, that's been sitting in the house for quite some time. we passed it with 90 votes. in the senate, democrats and republicans working together. we passed an infrastructure bill which has been over in the house for over i think a couple of months now and it is $1.2 trillion and nothing has been done for deferred maintenance in the country for three -- 30 years, three decades. this is the first time. those would have helped tremendously showing that together we can. now we have a reconciliation bill which is only a partisan bill, by our democratic party, and that's holding up the other bills that were bipartisan. that's the problem we have. and there has to be some good faith and we all work together. if you're wanting someone to agree that i'll sign off on everything you want and it will be the way that it will come and if i do that, you'll pass the other two, john, that's not the way democracy works. it is not the way congress has ever worked in my eyes. not the way we're supposed to work. >> your hands are clean, you think, in these election
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results? >> we can all do more. all of us can do a lot more. i'm reaching out to everybody i can on both sides of the aisle, talking to them. they know exactly where i stand. the problem is, john, we're divided. there is 50/50 in the house. i mean in the senate. how many times does that happen? a complete split, not that many times in history. so we don't have the numbers that fdr had or lyndon baines johnson had in order to get some major legislation done. we don't have those. so we have to come to realization what we have and deal in good faith that we can do at least something and i have been very, very straightforward at pre-k, great, we should do it, 3 and 4-year-olds. i started when i was governor and expanded it, just the 4-year-old program and my state of west virginia. i think that would be wonderful. child care, i think that's very, very needed because it helps people go to work and other children. in home services, in home care is something that would be very helpful for people that want the
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dignity and respect to live in their home as they grow older with a little assistance. there is a lot of things we agree on. to throw everything under the sun, and major policy changes, john, in a bill that no one participates except one party, whether it is a democrat or a republican, and it was never designed, reconciliation was never designed for major policy changes. i sat in bob bird's seat and he put the bird rule in. >> can i ask you one thing, is there a rule that says republicans can't vote for this? >> not at all. not at all. but they know when there is no participation you're not going to get either side. the same is we didn't participate in the tax cuts in 2017, john. it was all done with republicans and we, democrats were all against that. don't you think we ought to be able to come to agreement to fix the tax code. >> i'll come back to the build back better agenda in a moment. i want to stick with the lessons learned from the election if i can. abigail spamburger, from virginia, democrat, said of joe biden, she says nobody elected
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him to be fdr. they elected him to be norville and stop the chaos. what do you think about that? >> i think he can do that. i really do. i believe in president biden. i still do. he's a good person. he's here for the right reason. he really is and in government for the right reason. we have to work together. we can't go too far left. this is not a center left or a left country. we are a center if anything, center right country, that's being shown. and we ought to be able to recognize that. and all my friends on the left are progressives, liberals, whatever, i said i'm not, i always say that i'm a responsible west virginia democrat. and i'm fiscally responsible and socially compassionate. i think most people in the middle feel that way. but i also empathize with the people on the far left and the far right. that's aspirational. come together, realize what can and can't be done. don't force basically something that is not going to happen to make it -- make people believe it will. let's look at the finances,
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inflation. you asked about the election. people are scared to death in west virginia about the high rising costs of gasoline, of food, now of utilities, the basic needs of life is going up and making more of a burden, no matter how much money we send out. >> one of the issues that seemed to play a large role in virginia was education. and parents' role in education. in some cases the way that america's history regarding racism has been taught in those schools. you were a former governor. you dealt with schools directly. why do you think this was a fertile issue there? >> i don't know. i think basically duringi ithe debate and terry, when he said what he said, they took it and they ran with it. we all know parents must be involved in children's education. you must be paying attention to what's going on in the classroom and must be working with both the school that your children go to, the teachers that they have,
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and the children at home, if you're involved and you should be. but with that being said, the curriculum is going to be set, but if they don't, they should speak out. that's what ptos are about. parent/teacher organizations is for that reason and for that reason why they have always been involved and as far as i can remember in education, i always enjoyed having the input of parents and all that and then you to make the decisions and then explain the decisions of what you're teaching. >> do you think democrats are in the wrong place somehow on education right now? >> no, i don't think -- i hope not. i'm not. i can tell you that. i still look to the parents to see what they think their children should be or how they're reacting back home when they get home is from school and social media played such a part in their lives, not a good part as far as i can see. but to each his own on that. >> i want to ask you about a few moments that happened on the senate floor yesterday if i can. you can't see the video. i'll give you a good play by play of what happened. you were there. maybe you'll remember. at one point, yesterday, i believe this was the john lewis
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voting rights act, you were on the floor, and we see you talking -- with kyrsten sinema, senator from arizona, talking to mitch mcconnell and john thune. what was that about? >> we always talk -- i talk to everybody. i always talk to my republican friends, finding if there is a pathway forward on anything. i need help. we all need help. we need to work together. and i think that voting is basically the bedrock of democracy. i really do. i like to see -- how in the world, we talk about this all the time. they give me their point of view, i give them my point of view. in 1965, you know, we passed it and last time we passed it unanimous was in 206, what has changed. why do we not want to protect the polling place? when i was secretary of state, we used to have contests with all the secretaries of states in the organization who got the greatest turnout and what -- that's how -- what did you use? what new things did you use in your state to get more people it turn out early voting. that's how i found out about early voting.
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so when this -- for the people, i thought it was a very overreaching piece of legislation, it really just didn't get back to protecting the voting rights, protecting people's rights, no one being blocked from voting or making it hard, and we started talking and working all summer long. but all those talks, john, we never had republicans involved. that's wrong. >> you did. you keep on hoping for bipartisanship, but you don't seem to find many partners. >> you have to work at it. in today's divide country, the divided government we have, you have to work a little bit harder. how many people did you see on the floor working and talking both sides? how many times do you see that, john? ask them how many times they had coffee with each other. ask them how many know each other's wives or children and what their pleasures are as far as sports or recreation. why don't we find out who we are? why don't we talk to each other rather than talking through and over? john, i go -- let me tell you this, you want to know what's
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wrong with the place. i go to work in a hostile working environment every day. if you're a democrat and a republican is up for election, you're supposed to be against that person. if donald duck is running against that person, you're supposed to give money from your pac to help the other person beat the person that you have been working with. and even sometimes they'll say, can you come campaign against so and so, and then we come back on monday and here's the person that we have given money against and here's the person that we're supposed to give basic work against saying, hey, could you sign on this amendment for me, work on this amendment for me. how well do you think that's going to work? i've never done that. if we do anything to change this place, there should be an ethics law against us campaigning against each other, against us sending money to the candidate, against a sitting colleague. these are people you're working with. you have an obligation and responsibility to get something done. and you can't get something done if you're the enemy on the other side every time there is an election. >> want to ask you about one other moment that did happen on the floor and happened after you were talking with mcconnell and
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thune there. someone came up to you, we think it was senator kaine seemed to point at you, it looked a little tense there. what happened there? >> tim kaine is most beautiful person, i somewhater to got, not a purer heart than tim kaine. tim comes in and says, joe, good work on this -- on the election bill, on the john lewis bill. good work on that. let's work more on this. that was it. >> doesn't sound like a hostile environment as far as kaine as all. >> my colleagues have been very, very -- they understand, they know my state, they know me. >> let me dig in if i can to the build back better agenda and exactly where you are. because you have made yourself pretty clear on some cases. >> sure. >> paid family leave. >> okay. >> the democrats in the house are putting it back in the bill. >> yeah. >> does that change your view on it at all? >> john, i don't think it belongs in the bill. i'll tell you why. that's a piece of legislation that really is needed from the standpoint if we do it and do it right. when there is participation
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between the employer and employee from the small company, small businesses that i represent all over west virginia and the country, but basically it should be participation. we can do that in a bipartisan way. we can make sure it is lasting. right now we're putting something in there that is -- >> have you tried to find republican colleagues to work with this on? >> i talked to susan collins, to lisa, all my friends. they want to do something. >> do you have ten? >> they're willing to work with us. >> do you have ten republicans to help you right now? >> we haven't gotten to that point yet because it has been part of this. it came up. john, i had not heard a lot about that before, i know it has been an agenda on some people. and i think can kirstin gillibrand has been dedicated to this, she worked extremely hard. i said, kirstin, we can work together. and i will, i'm committed to that. i'll give you my word we will work on it and get something done that is going to be lasting. you do something in
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reconciliation and you thought all the costs and all the debt to our national debt and the taxpayers, usually that's flip-flopped back and forth when someone else takes majority. >> in west virginia, the law is that you can't put a newborn in day care until they're 6 weeks old, right? four weeks of paid family leave, that would help people get to that six weeks where they can put their child in day care. it would be something that could help a lot of working class people. your constituents, you always talk about the fact you have to be able to go home and explain to your constituents the decisions you're-mam making. how do you explain to a working mother that you're for paid family leave but you're going to vote against it because of the process bill? >> the people in west virginia have common sense, they have responsibilities, they do understand we do need to pay for these things, they want that to last, not be flip-flopped back
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and forth and be used d like a yo-yo. i'm committed to working on that. we can get something done if we're committed. you can't say if it isn't in here, it is gone forever. let's commit to getting it done in the right way so people can build up what time they need. as they build the time up, use it as they desire or as they need. these are things that can be done. >> you're willing to spend deficits -- you're willing to spend deficits on infrastructure, yes -- >> i'm not willing to spend deficit spending on anything, john. we had to accept what we had at the end there. >> the infrastructure bill will create by the scoring there, will create a bit of a deficit, a deficit related to that. >> if you look at dynamic scoring on that, there is nothing more we know for certain that will grow our economy because we're goingi ito be paying -- it wasn't like what are you going to do, fix the bridges for two years but take eight years to pay for them. >> on paid family leave many say it is a clear economic benefit to paid family leave.
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you get women back in the workforce, by and large, they pay into social security, there is an economic benefit there. >> let's get it done. that's what i'm saying. let's get it done in regular order through the process. >> but you're going to vote no, vote against the plan to get it done now? >> john, i'm not saying what i'm going to vote. i haven't seen a bill yet. we haven't worked it in the senate. >> that is fair. we will wait and ask you again when you see the bill. on immigration -- >> wait until i vote, then you'll know. >> okay. on immigration, democrats, there are democrats on both the house and the senate who want to include immigration provisions as part of the build back better agenda. and some in some cases it would ban deportation for some immigrants here, and other cases it would create work permits. what is your view on this? >> my view is the same as it has been since 2013. we have to secure our borders. there cannot be calamity and chaos at the borders which is what you see and basically not addressing border security. my heard bleed heart bleeds.
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i want a pathway to citizenship for the people who have been here contributing. but you have to secure our borders. that's what the people of we have with, the majority of people i talked to across the country want. and the other thing is if we can find a way we can have people here for the right reason, i think immigration, we all got here some way. i'm second generation. my grandparents came from italy. my father's side. my mother's side came from czechoslovakia. i'm a proud european immigrant, i guess, or descendants of immigrants. you come for the right reason you work hard, you luff ive by rules, you can make a life for yourself. we have to give them a pathway for that. i'm all for that. but you have to take care of the border. >> the parliamentarian senate says it is okay to be in reconciliation. would you be okay with that? >> reconciliation? >> if the parliamentarian -- >> i said this, when the
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parliamentary makes a ruling, that's when i make a decision on that, yes, i would be, if they make a decision. i haven't seen that. i think the scrub is going on, the scrub will go on as we're speaking. >> in terms of extending medicare benefits for dental, something bernie sanders still wants very much and you've been in discussions with him. you had a lot of talks. is there any middle ground there for you to expand medicare? are you just -- >> john, i love this -- i love to expand to dental, to eye, to ears, everything that you -- that we talked about. it would be wonderful. guess what, in west virginia, the lifeline to these people that i represent and people all over this country is that medicare, i mean, social security and medicare are the lifelines to many, many people. that's all they have. and they're told right now by 2026, medicare will be in default. it will be unsolvable. and they're told by 2033, the social security, should we be adding more weight to take it down sooner or quicker? they have to pay higher
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premiums? let's get our continues in order, john. that's all. you go out and buy everything you see and want even if you can't afford it and say i'll worry about the debt later? i don't think so. >> state and local tax deductions. this was something that was removed as part of the 2017 tax bill. this is something that northeastern and coastal democrats have wanted to get some deduckductions back in. there is some kind of agreement between menendez and sanders again to allow for the deductions but cap it at people with income of $400,000. how do you feel about that? >> i just heard about that, john. i heard about it last night. i haven't seen it at all. to speak on it without having more knowledge on it, i don't know. i know it is a big price tag to it and we'll see how they're working it. depends how they work it through the program. i have not seen it. to talk about it, doi don't hav the knowledge to do that. >> joe biden, the president said, when asked directly in
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europe, where is joe manchin going to be on the end here and president biden said in the end he thinks you, senator manchin, will be a yes. you've talked to him a lot. >> a lot, i have. >> why does he think that? >> i think we're cut out of the same cloth from a legislative process and i think joe biden is a moderate, i think he understands he wants to sit down -- he did it for 36 years. people that worked with him in still in the senate now, tell me joe biden was great to work with you knew where he came from because he was going to meet you in the middle. if he can meet us in the middle, he's right. we can move something forward. if we're not, and they have to do what they have to do, we'll understand that. but we're going to continue to work. the president -- i believe in joe biden. i really do. i think he's the right person, the right place, the right time. just have to work together. they're just pushing him left. pushing him from the left and that's not joe biden. >> when is the last time you spoke to him? >> before he left. before he left on the trip. we'll be speaking, i'm sure
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again. >> no doubt. have you given him reason to believe that you will get to yes? >> i think he -- if you look at my basically public service, i've always tried to bring people together. and find a compromise. and i do that up until the end. sometimes you never get there. but you can't quit trying. and i think that i'll try up until the end, we'll see what happens. you always want to be positive about this and make something good happen. there is a lot of good -- as i would say again, if the things we don't get in the bill because we don't agree and if they want to push it through, we'll have to see what the vote will be. we'll live with that. if they want to compromise and work on it, and then the things that don't get in that we think are very good, it is going to give all of the progressives, all the people in the caucus, progressives and on the house and the senate something to go out and run on in 2022. and maybe they'll elect more people that are progrisive or like minded and that will be great.
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i would be insignificant. i can't wait for that day to comeful come. >> would you be willing to look president biden, if it got to the point where it got to be a bill you don't want, would you look him in the eye and say no? >> you have to be honest, john. >> okay. and the second question, not nearly as weighty as that. we understand that the duchess of sussex meghan mcarkle has ben calling senators to argue for paid family leave. did you talk to her? >> i didn't talk to her, no. >> do you feel slighted? she called senator caputo, she thought it was you on the line and it was meghan markle. >> i think she knows my voice pretty well by now. we're good friends. >> senator joe manchin, we appreciate your time. thank you so much for being with us. always appreciate the discussion. >> sure thing. bye-bye. the jury finally seated in the ahmaud arbery murder trial. why is his mother calling the selection devastating? plus, he was defeated by a
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democratic socialist in his party's primary. how buffalo's mayor fought back to keep his seat and he's going to join us next. deon, hand it over. now how does that make you feel? like a part of me is missing. gabrielle? this old spice fiji hand and body lotion has me smoother than ever. that's what it does.
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what an unusual race for mayor in buffalo, new york, after losing the primary to democratic socialist india walton, incumbent byron brown decided to run as a write-in candidate, coining the slogan write down byron brown. now, votes are still being counted, but walton seemed to concede last night, wrote this on twitter, it seems unlikely we'll end up with enough votes to inaugurate a walton administration in january. joining us to discuss this is buffalo mayor byron brown. congratulations, it appears, are in order here. >> thank you. >> i just wonder as you were enjoying your win what the takeaway is here for you. is this a rebuke of socialism? is this a rebuke of defund the police? is this a rebuke of the progressive wing of your party? >> i think it clearly is a rebuke of defund police.
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it is a rebuke of socialism. and i think there were those from outside the city of buffalo that underestimated the buffalo community. they tried to come in and tell us who to vote for. and the people fought back and we won. >> so miss walton is accusing you of dirty tricks. she is saying you were backed by republicans. how were you going to manage this? how you going to heal this rift moving forward? >> well, miss walton is wrong again. she was wrong about a lot of what she said during the course of the campaign. she was wrong about wanting to defund police. she was wrong about wanting to raise our taxes as we're coming through a pandemic. so just another misstatement by miss walton. and the reason why she is the loser in the election is because
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of her inexperience and lack of qualifications for this position. i'm a healer. i'm a uniter. my entire political career, i brought people together, and that's what we're going to do going forward in the city of buffalo. prior to the pandemic, we were seeing a real renaissance in our city. we have plans to make sure that that renaissance reaches every neighborhood and every household and i'm looking forward to getting back to work and continuing to move our city forward. >> and, look, it is very clear this was a tough race between you two, but you know that part of the reason that she appeals to folks in your city is because of her personal story. she has worked her way out of very tough circumstances. and that's something that speaks to a lot of people who were your constituents. so, you know what do you say to them? how do you heal this rift? >> well, i think, again, part of
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that personal story was fake. you know, we later found out that every nursing job she had she either was terminated from or resigned from. she called herself a successful not for profit executive. the goal of her organization under her leadership was to build 50 houses. she didn't build a single house and took credit for two houses being built that some other entity built. i have a personal story and i have a record too. and i think the story and the difference is trying to do things the right way. working hard, getting an education, following the teaching of your parents and your community. so there are other stories, i think, that are compelling as well and it is important that
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other stories and other ways of doing things and moving forward are told to the community and that's what i will do. i will talk to the community about the value of working hard, of doing things for yourself, not depending on the government to do things for you. those are the teachings that i got from my parents as a child, and those are the things that i -- and my wife michelle, we teach our family. >> your story clearly compelling to voters because congratulations to you, mayor byron brown. we appreciate you being with us this morning. >> thank you. good to be with you. here's what else to watch today.
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that summer the 25-year-old and his friend headed out on a fishing trip. bigley said good-bye to his girlfriend. >> i told her i would call her when i got off the river and unfortunately, you know, that was a promise i was unable to keep. i had had lots of bear encounters. this one was different, unique. the bear comes whipping around the corner and upon us. standing on top of me with either claw digging in. she cocked her head sideways and bit down across my face. every single bone in my head had been broken, except for my mandible. >> they were so remote, it would be five 1and a half hours befor bigley got into surgery. >> i remember them selling me i would always be blind. i realized early on it would be easy to slip into a life of bitterness. >> waking night marzmares hauntm for years. he got therapy and made up his mind to re-engage in life. six years after the attack, he
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got his degree in clinical work. >> these experiences cause people to disengage from life. >> bigley and his girlfriend got married and had two kids. >> the bigger my life gets, the smaller my disability gets. >> a great line that is. cnn's coverage continues right now. good thursday morning. i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto. moments ago, right here live on cnn, moderate democratic senator joe manchin indicating there is still a lot of things to be worked out among democrats on plans to pass their sweeping social safety net package, making the case that democrats who currently hold the white house and both chambers of congress, however, don't have big majorities in any of those chambers and therefore don't have the mandate that many progressives think they do. have a


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