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this is don lemon tonight. you just saw "trumping democracy: an american coup." the threat is far from over. and every one of us needs to step up if we want to protect our democracy. we'll talk about that more, but first, some breaking news. here's jessica dean on capitol hill. >> reporter: don, right now, the
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house is finally voting on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this has been back and forth all day. remember, the original plan was that the house was going to vote on the build back better act on thursday. and the bipartisan infrastructure bill today. that all got scrapped. there's been a lot of push and pull, and the way this all landed was just moments ago, the moderates that had been holdouts on the build back better act issued a statement committing to vote on that by november 15th. in return, shortly after that statement went out, we heard from the chair of the progressive caucus, who said that after that assurance, they will move forward on voting. now, we do expect some democrats to vote no.
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not all progressives will likely vote for this. so we're keeping an eye on that, and who that might be. we're also keeping an eye on if democrats get some republican support on this. remember, house speaker nancy pelosi is working with a three-vote margin here. she does not like to bring things to the floor before she knows they have the votes. we're watching this play out in realtime, with a giant piece of president joe biden's agenda hanging in the balance. on that point, i want to go to the other side of pennsylvania avenue, to phil mattingly, for more on what is going on at the white house. phil? >> reporter: you noted you were watching this extremely closely. so is everybody here. the president and his top a advisers as well as vice president kamala harris have been watching and making calls over the course of the last several hours. it's been a lengthy day trying
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to figure out some kind of path forward and lay things out in terms of where the white house was on this. jess gave you the play-by-play on where the hill has been. you track back to 8:30 a.m. this morning, and the white house got the kind of news that you would think could turn this into a monumental day. jobs numbers that were better than expected. 531,000 jobs added. unemployment rate going from 4.8% to 4.6%. with the very clear goal to have both of the president's two-piece, $3 trillion domestic agenda through the u.s. house by tonight. of course, as the hours moved on, that started to fall apart. six moderates in particular making clear to nancy pelosi, to white house officials that were physically in the capitol, that were back here working the phones, they were not willing to move forward on both unless they
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had a congressional budget office score. that is not likely to be available for at least a week. perhaps longer. even though white house officials were producing their own preliminary budget estimates, trying to make clear, not only is it paid for, but it would come out to about $2 trillion and still be paid for. with the moderates being unwilling to move forward, that left it up to the progressives. right now, i want you to listen to pramila jayapal. she just finished. we're going to keep going here. she's been a critical player throughout the course of the last several months. the chair of about a 90-plus member progressive caucus that has flexed its muscles repeatedly over the last several months. every time nancy pelosi has set a deadline, the progressives
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have made clear they will not support it unless there's a vote at the same time on the second package. that shifted tonight. here's why. with the moderates holding out, the white house and nancy pelosi shifted their attention towards progressives, trying to figure out if there was a way to move forward on the infrastructure proposal, and the rule to govern debate on the $1.9 trillion package. that means that as they waited for that cbo score, they would push off that $1.9 trillion proposal. but they would vote to pass the house infrastructure proposal. over the course of several hours, including multiple phone calls from president biden to pramila jayapal and the president put on speakerphone, and made very clear to progressives, tonight is the night. what do you need to help get it
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across the finish line. and the answer, and why you're watching a vote right now, was a statement. a statement filled with a assurances backed by president biden, a statement that progressives said would allow them to move it forward. just a short while ago, both the moderates and progressives put out their statements. the president put out a statement earlier tonight. now there's a vote. there is still a question about whether or not democrats have 218 votes. that's what we're watching right now, how democrats break down, how many republicans join them. and moderate republicans who have been known to join bipartisan efforts, congressman charlie dent is here. we spent a lot of time together on capitol hill. we've spent a lot of late nights like this, i want to get your read on what exactly we've
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watched over the course of the last 12 or 13 hours and what it means for democrats as they try to move forward right now. >> well, to me, it looks like they're finally going to vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. frankly, they should have voted on this thing back in august. they probably would have had close to 80 house republican votes back then. but because they tied the infrastructure bill so closely to the reconciliation bill, they just lost republican votes in big numbers. they will probably get somewhere between 10 to 20 republican votes for this bill tonight. that was last week. who knows what the number is. i think it's really unfortunate, i thought the house democratic moderates were very much mistreated throughout this process. they had an agreement to vote on this bill by september 27th, in exchange for voting for a budget resolution. and the leadership and progressives basically reneged on the deal. now, the house democratic
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moderates will have some leverage. this may end up separating the two bills. and once they're signed into law, we'll see what happens on build back better. that piece of legislation is simply not ready for primetime, and that's why they're not voting on it tonight. >> it's part of, the primary reason why progressives were wary of moving forward. not just in the house, but also in the senate, where it's probably even further away from a finish line up to this point. and congressman, in terms of the voting right now, you mentioned this is bipartisan in the senate, 19 republicans voted for the infrastructure bill. and there have been a couple of dozen republicans at least considering voting for it in the house. ever at a moment like this, when the
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speaker is likely to have at least a few progressive no votes, does the speaker have a hard count on how many republicans are willing to join democrats to get this over the finish line? >> i'm fairly certain she does. i've talked to some of the house republicans who have told me they've been in conversations with the white house. again, last week, i think they had a solid ten, maybe as many as 20. if this bill hits 218 votes, with those ten republicans, i think you'll see more republicans jump onboard to help move it along further. i think she has a solid count. nancy pelosi, she's a good vote counter. and so i think you'll see at least ten and maybe more. once they hit that 218 number, then maybe a little mini-avalanche of republicans joining us. >> that's always the best, people sitting in the back, watching and waiting, as people log their votes, as they cross that threshold.
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and mark mckinnon, i want to bring him in, he's outside the capitol right now. one of the things folks don't appreciate as much, talking about the democrat back and forth, progressives and moderates, the white house is also in contact with republicans. obviously, they worked with republicans to get the bipartisan bill across the finish line. they have close contacts inside the problem solvers group, who are trying to figure out pathways forward. but when you look at the broad scope of what this day became, what does it mean if democrats are able to pass the president's infrastructure proposal, send it to his desk tonight, despite what we've seen over the course of the last 13 hours. >> great tiktok on the sausage making, phil. think about this week, tuesday,
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it was probably the worst day of joe biden's presidency. this day, friday, could turn out to be the best day of his presidency. if they pass this vote tonight, and it's looking increasingly like they will, they'll have the hard infrastructure in his pocket. great jobs numbers today. and an announcement on a drug therapy that basically means that even people who get covid, there's a 90% rate that will not have to be hospitalized or there will be fatalities. on the covid, economic, and infrastructure fronts, three big wins. and that really helps after a disastrous beginning of the week. a bunch of wind in the sails for joe biden. republicans will say they can't wait to get their teeth into the
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human infrastructure bill. republicans have something they want to get after, and democrats have something they can sell. >> and mark, charlie, i want you to stay with me for a second. i want to bring in manu raju, i understand you were just in a gaggle with congresswoman jayapal. what is your read on things right now? >> reporter: yeah, they talked to reporters. didn't answer any questions from reporters. jayapal has been in the negotiations with the centrists, all day long, they've been essentially squabbling over the strategy. they announced moments ago, they have an agreement to move forward. the progressives say they'll move ahead with the infrastructure bill on the floor right now. and it does appear there's five democrats who have voted no on
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the infrastructure bill. we're waiting for some of the names. but some of them have been progressive members who have threaten to vote against the bill. but seven republicans voting yes, enough to offset the democratic defections. and the moderates have agreed to vote for the larger $1.9 trillion social safety net expansion later this month, assuming the congressional budget office comes back with an estimate showing it's fully paid for. and josh gottheimer said they'll ultimately vote for that larger bill tonight, assuming the liberals do vote for the infrastructure bill, which appears to be happening. so right now, it's at 194-182. now 196 yes votes. they need 218 as the magic number, assuming all members are present and voting. and they appear to be on their
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way to getting the bill to joe biden's desk. it would be a significant victory after months of bickering. and jayapal had indicated directly to the president that she would not vote for the bill tonight because it was not moving at the same time as the $1.9 trillion bill, leading to a series of conversations, including one very long conversation with biden and the entire progressive caucus. they talked about how to get a way forward, coming up with a statement from the moderates saying they would ultimately get behind the larger bill. that forced jayapal's hand. she backed off from the demand for the two bills to move together in conjunction, and now moderates will get to wait to vote for the larger bill, and at the moment, they appear on the way to getting the
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infrastructure bill passed, now 205 votes. any minute, they should pass the threshold, and joe biden will soon get this bill on his desk. >> a significant victory. nice to speak to you again, manu. hang with us. keep an eye on that vote. we're going to take a quick commercial break. charlie, mark, manu, after this break we're going to come back. we'll likely get the final vote on the infrastructure proposal, at this very moment, which according to manu seems very on its way to getting the 218 votes needed to pass. we'll be right back with the end of that vote. stay tuned. halloween, '72. jojo's adoption day. uncle leo's legacy. summiting kilimanjaro. asher's art phase. the moment you knew it was love. whatever you treasure,
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welcome back. i'm phil mattingly, live from the north lawn of the white house. where we have a critical and potentially very significant moment for president biden and his administration, and his domestic agenda. i want to go straight to jessica dean, on capitol hill for us live. we've been watching this vote play out. i want to read you a text message i just got from a house democratic lawmaker that just says, let's go! many "o"s one after the other. i think something just transpired. what is going on? >> there was a lot of let's go and cheering, because they crossed the threshold to 218. that means the bill has passed, and it's headed to president biden's desk for his signature. you see the vote count, and republicans are helping out democrats there so far with 11 votes that they have contributed
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to this. we've also seen some democratic defe defections. so far, that's six votes, six democrats who voted against that. but they've offset each other. and the bottom line here, phil, and you know this as well as anybody, this has been months and months and months in the making. democrats have hemmed, hawed, pushed, and pulled. now tonight, roughly 11:20 p.m. on a friday, the third time's the charm, right? they've passed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and it will be headed to president biden. >> it's significant. and you guys are the ones standing outside of the late night meetings in the marble hallways. you're doing the real work. jessica dean, thanks for the update. passing the 218 threshold, that's a majority in the u.s. house.
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and president joe biden wanted to see this happen. the vote is still open. which means it's not officially passed yet. but passing that threshold is what everybody was looking for and what a critical moment this is for the president, for his administration, for his negotiating team, and for democrats on capitol hill. as jess made clear, they've struggled mightily over the course of several months to try to unlock the pathway for this infrastructure proposal. something the president put on the table, the first piece of his dual-pronged domestic agenda. something that the u.s. senate passed by a very wide margin, 19 republicans voting with every democrat to pass this measure in the senate, including mitch mcconnell. you have to wonder what the signing ceremony may look like at the white house. and i think given how this day went, maybe the expectations going into it, obviously the jobs numbers, and everything
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devolving into the circus that has really defined the better part of the last several months, i would say. ending at this point, getting things across the finish line on a very significant component of the president's domestic agenda, what does this mean for this administration? >> it means 1.2 t$1.2 trillion they can go out and campaign on. they need a message going into the midterms, and now they can point to some of the things that this bill will fund. money for new buses, money for high-speed internet and rail. things that people will actually feel in their communities. president biden will say, i got it done, and i got republicans to support infrastructure. we saw president trump announce infrastructure week after infrastructure week, and he said he would be the deal maker in chief. and that didn't happen.
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now biden has a $1.2 trillion bill, bigger than the stimulus that happened under obama, and bigger than any kind of infrastructure bill that we've seen in a generation. biden will be able to say that he has delivered on his promise, that he worked across the aisle, and got something that both republicans and democrats voted for. now he will still have to work on the other part of his agenda, getting some of the progressives that defected, getting them onboard and passing the second half of his agenda. but getting this on the desk after the summer and fall that he had, from afghanistan to the drama over this bill, it will be a sign of relief, and a sign that he will be able to go into the midterms saying that he passed something, and that his agenda has been going into motion. >> and given the morass of the
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last several months, the second piece still has a long way to go. but the president delivering on infrastructure, if he delivers on the second piece as well, will the public remember the better part of the last four or five months of capitol hill negotiations, or are all they're going to remember is the rose garden signing ceremony? what is your sense of things? >> one year is a lot of time. there's a year for democrats to get their message together and campaign on what they're passing before the midterms. there is a lot of time for the white house and for democrats to show what has happened over the past several months is just water under the bridge. just the sausage making process. as long as people are getting the things in this bill as well as the social spending bill, which is what the american people want, and that's what democrats are staking their
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midterm prospects on, they can put it in the background. they're in the midst of passing bills, and they can feel the exhilaration of actually doing something in washington, which is rare. >> the yeas, 228. the nays, 206. the motion is adopted. >> and you can hear the cheers right there from the house chamber, as the gavel went down. they passed the president's infrastructure proposal, $1.2 trillion. this is not something that has several more steps to go on capitol hill. this is headed to the president's desk after a ceremony on capitol hill. but you can feel the release, to some degree. i'm down at the white house, but for democrats who have struggled to figure out some way to unlock at least this, the $1.2 trillion
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infrastructure proposal, the second one has a ways to go. if there's anything we've seen over the course of the last several weeks and months, there is still very real trust issues between progressives and moderates. but that's part of the reason i want to bring jessica dean in right now. you hear them trying to calm the democrats down to some degree with the gaveling. do you think this marks a br breakthrough on the trust perspective between progressives and moderates? >> reporter: it's a great progression. we've seen things move quickly, where the various sides were at odds with each other. and trust has been something we've come back to again and again as this has moved through both the senate and also the house. and the various machinations. you think with them moving
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forward, and progressives buying in. m moderates giving what most of them found acceptable, even though a handful of progressives voted against it. but you have to think this is a way forward. now they turn their eyes back to the build back better act, and they've committed to voting on it by november 15th. they're waiting on the cbo score, and that's what progressives want to see. and that's what nancy pelosi and house leadership wants to see. phil, they were in and out all day. people in and out of their office. we waited outside her office for hours today, and saw various members and caucuses going in, trying to plead their case. and trying to thread the needle of all the pieces of the democratic caucus. they're hoping to move forward and get the second part of president biden's agenda passed. it is big to see this move forward tonight. because, phil, as you certainly
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know, just an hour ago, maybe 45 minutes ago, there were real questions about whether there were the votes to get this done. and now we know the answer to that. >> when the blue screen goes up, and we know the house is in recess, everybody is groaning, because it's past 11:00 p.m. and we'll get back to you after this break, but the democrats found the pathway forward on a significant piece of the president's domestic agenda. we've got a lot more to go. there's two votes left to go. a republican procedural vote, and another for consideration of the $1.9 trillion package. what does that mean? i will explain all of the procedural dynamics in a little bit. stay with us. a lot more reaction and a lot more news to come.
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welcome back. i'm phil mattingly. at the white house, at a pretty significant and monumental moment for this white house. the president's infrastructure proposal, one part of his two-part, $3 trillion domestic agenda, is now headed to his desk. 228-206 was the house vote. nearly all democrats, a few progressives voted against,
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joined with a handful of republicans to help get it over the finish line. and give the president a significant legislative victory. one that has been out of his grasp for several months, as democrats have waged war against one another. and the other package still being worked through. we're still waiting for official white house reaction. we have a tweet from jen psaki, saying proof that delivering for the american people is worth all the sausage making. it's happening, and more to come. a couple of the key components, she was making a little joke, given the fact that roughly 95% of the last six months of white house briefings, she's made some type of reference to sausage
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making. it's tried and true, we've all used that description at one point or another. that was jen psaki. i want to bring in manu raju, who has witnessed a lot of sausage making over the course of his congressional career. we have the final vote now. obviously this is headed to the president's desk at some point in the next couple of days, dm dm depending on the process. what is your sense, given that until the very end, it was clear that not everybody was thrilled with it? >> reporter: remember, this day started with the hope among the democratic leaders that they would not just pass the infrastructure bill, but also the house would approve its version of the larger expansion of the social safety net, the package that includes 550
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billion for climate spending, and working to prop up the u.s. economy in a whole host of ways. but that fell through, because a handful of moderates said that they would not vote for it until it was scored by the congressional budget office. so nancy pelosi said we'll try to move forward on the infrastructure bill and take up the vote later this month on the other package. that's when progressives balked. they demanded the senate approve the larger bill first before the house would even act on infrastructure. then they backed off on that, and said the house should pass the infrastructure bill and the social safety net expansion at
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the same time. tonight, they were forced to back off of that as well. because joe biden made an aggressive lobbying campaign, calling the progressive caucus, in a meeting that went for about four hours, talking to pramila jayapal, having multiple meetings with members. and ftrying to get the two warring factions together. and the moderates putting together a statement saying they would support the bill later this month assuming it comes back from the cbo fully paid for. and jayapal said that was good enough for her, a commitment to vote. and that led to the vote tonight. but there was some dissatisfaction on the left. alexandria ocasio-cortez, ilhan omar, corey bush, jamaal bowman,
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and others, they were clearly not happy with the direction it was going. but they had enough republicans who offset the losses including john, a moderate new york republican. congressman don bacon in nebraska. and fred upton of michigan, and don young of alaska. adam kinzinger, as well. they had enough republicans who voted ultimately to save off the democratic defections. but it was clearly not easy. they finally got this to the president's desk, after a bill that was approved in august. and we'll see what happens with the larger bill. when it comes up in m mid-november, they can only afford to lose three votes. will the moderates vote yes? things have been changing minute by minute.
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if they get it out of the house, the senate has a whole different complication, with manchin and others vowing to change the bill. at the moment, the white house is celebrating getting the infrastructure bill to the president's desk. >> i started chuckling. this has been a roller coaster of the day, but also recognizing how many steps to still cover with the $1.9 trillion package. manu raju, thank you very much. i want to take another break, then i want to talk about the president's role. this was a shift in terms of a very forceful and clear call on progressives to vote tonight. what is it going to take to get there? we have to figure this out and move it tonight. there have been a lot of democrats over the course of the last several weeks that wanted the president to be more forceful and definitive about what he wanted and when he wanted it. today, tonight, he was unequivocally. today, tonight, the president
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has his infrastructure bill across the finish line. more reaction, more news, more details, when we come back.
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welcome back. we've been covering breaking news, significant breaking news for president biden, for democrats in the house and in the senate as well. as a significant component of the president's domestic agenda,
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that agenda that has been stalled, seemingly locked up in democratic divides, is now headed to the president's desk. the house moving forward to pass the president's 1.2 trillion infrastructure proposal, and now the $1.9 trillion economic and climate package, still a long road to go. but a significant trust fall of sorts of democrats who have been warring to let that proposal go forward. it was a roller coaster all day, pivots, the president on a conference call urging them to get a resolution and an outcome. and they got one. i want to talk about that outcome. we have keith boykin and ashley allison. you have worked in democratic politics, you understand how this place works. mercifully, you probably have a sense of how congress works as
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well. which can be frustrating, whether you love the institution or not. ashley, i want to start with you in terms of, you know the folks over here. you've worked with a lot of them and the folks on capitol hill. what is your sense of what this means for the administration given the last couple of months? >> democrats, progressives, delivered for the american people. and that feels great. we lived a very tough four years under president trump, where people like me, people like keith didn't feel like we had a place in this country. and tonight, joe biden's administration, an administration that i helped get into office, it feels like we can have a say. is it enough? it's not the end. it's just a comma. and it feels great to know that democrats and progressives came together. we delivered a bipartisan deal.
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and there's more to come. we've delivered an american rescue plan, and an infrastructure deal, and there's more to come. and that's what the american people elected joe biden to do, and we'll do more. it feels good. >> it's a great point. the $1.9 trillion, now $1.2 trillion proposal, these are huge, significant pieces of legislation. >> absolutely. >> with a 50/50 senate and speaker pelosi can only afford to lose three votes in the house. and yet, keith, one of the big questions over the course of the last several months is, why aren't democrats getting anything done. is that just a pause to those
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questions? >> i think it's just a pause. we still have a few weeks to figure out what is happening with the moderates and progressives in the party, and figure out a solution for the build back better bill. and i think progressives are taking a leap of faith, those who onboard with it, that the moderates who signed the agreement saying they'll go for the build back better bill, assuming that the cbo says it's paid for, that they will own up to the expeck tations that they said they will. and joe biden stepped in, and was directly involved and engaged in negotiations. this is kpexactly what a lot ofs have urged him to do, to stand up and talk to people, get in their face, and tell them we
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need to get this done for the good of the country and for the good of the party. i hope he can take the same message to the moderates of the party. it can't be just one side that test test. >> and i think if you talk to progressives from the american plan on, they feel like they've been the ones who have had to make the concessions. ashley, keith brings up a good point, the posture of the president over the last 12 or 13 hours. i spent a lot of time trying to figure out how he operates behind the scenes, particularly when he's trying to talk to lawmakers. what's your sense of kind of his strategy over the course of the last several months to get to this point, in terms of letting things play out before now really kind of moving to close? >> i think the president is someone who really invests in relationships, slow and steady. it's like the tortoises and the
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hare, and he wants to deliver for the american people in a very intentional way. and i think that, you know, look, i think in washington it's an expedited time line when you consider how slough things have moved in my lifetime and keith and yourself. the president was intentional. he wanted to make sure -- you know, i ran coalitions on that campaign. when you run a coalition, you want everyone to have a seat at the table. when you give someone a seat at the table, that means they have a voice, an opportunity to say what they want. you don't take that for granted and you actually listen and you negotiate. and that's what this administration is doing, and i hope that the people around the country -- and i hope this administration takes the time to go and talk and tell the story of what it took to get this done. and i'm excited what's to come. as keith said, like, this isn't it, you know? progressives did take a leap of faith and built trust.
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but, man, has trust been absent in washington, d.c., for at least four years and for some time. it is encouraging for someone like me to see trust being built and we were able to get something done tonight. >> yeah. go ahead, keith. >> can i just say too, though, that the first three or four months of this biden administration, they were doing a really good job of one thing, of overdelivering and underpromising. what has happened since that time is that the reverse has been taking place. at first it was setting all of these covid deadline that were too easy to accomplish, but they exceeded them and passed the american rescue plan. and then we moved into the summer, and after afghanistan and negotiations over infrastructure and the build back better plan, it feels like we've moved away from where the biden administration was trying
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to go, the sense of competence they were into exude and beating deadlines. tuesday's election, i think, lit a candle or a match or something under people's feet to let them know that democrats can't expect the public to continue to support them if they don't deliver something for the public. they got to deliver it for the voters. today they did that, and hopefully they can continue to do that with the build back better plan. >> no question that was the sentiment. we'll see how it plays with negotiations going forward. thank you so much for your perspective. >> i want to bring in charlie dent. congressman, real quick, we're running out of time. i could talk to you about congress literally 24 hours a day for about a week. the moderate versus progressive divide, which disn't going away anytime soon. does this make things better? how does it progress? >> i think things get pretty hard now. look, the easy part is done. the infrastructure bill was agreed to. i'm glad they passed it. but now the infrastructure bill
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and the build back better have been decoupled. we'll see now if the moderate house democrats are as committed to this agreement as the progressives were through the last one because the moderates were treated horribly when they had an agreement. and the progressives held this infrastructure bill hostage. they did not shoot that hostage, figuratively speaking, of course. they did not shoot it, but bottom line is, i'm still conceptually. the senate is going to control this process because whatever they pass out of the house will not become law. i'm told there's an $80,000 threshold now for the state and local -- bernie sanders said no way to that. that's a gift to higher-income people. so joe manchin and bernie sanders are going to have their say. it's going to look very different. >> there's a long road ahead, congress. thank you so much for your time. i want to head to jessica dean hanging out with me the entire hour. i know there's still votes going
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on right now. where do things stand? >> there are certainly votes still going on. they're going to vote on the procedural rule vote on the build back better act. as you have gotten that all night, phil, there's a long way to go as you laid out on the build back better act. it has to go to the senate and it's going to take probably quite a different shape than what's leaving the house right now. let's put that to the side because we know that's going to be taking up a lot of time as we look ahead. but just being in this moment right now, it is important, i think, to take a second and recognize that, you know -- when i was covering then-candidate biden on the trail, he talked about infrastructure and tonight he gets that victory from house democrats, and some republicans that jumped in too. >> no question. jess, fantastic work. keeping us posted throughout. coming up, jake tapper's special report, trump in america,
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american coup. thanks for hanging out with us.
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