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ready to refer meadows for criminal contempt for refusing to sit for a deposition. congress grilling the head of instagram after a whistle blower leaked internal documents showing that the company knows the social media platform can harm the mental health of young people, especially teenage girls and emotional testimony as a manslaughter trial begins in minnesota for a former police officer who shot and killed daunte wright during a traffic stop saying she accidently mistook her gun for her taser. i want to bring in former gop congressman charlie dent and senior legal analyst ellie a former federal prosecutor. gentlemen, good evening to both of you. meadows is suing the committee. is he afraid of trump or is this another stalling tactic or both? >> it's a delay tactic. it's a distraction, tactic, don. this lawsuit has next to no chance of succeeding. what he's basically doing is taking a firecracker, lighting it, tossing it into the january
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6 th committee room and saying deal with this. here is one more distraction to deal with. his executive privilege claim has so many problems. we're talking about executive privilege invoked by a former president and been blabbing about in his book and a topic meadows turned over documents on and communications that don't have to do with any legitimate policy discussion but rather with an attempt to steal an election. the lawsuit is doomed to fail. the question is the committee going to be able to play through it and keep their eye on the ball? >> you say this break down and cooperation is predictable but that's after meadows turned over an exchange with an unnamed member of congress where meadows writes i love it in a discussion about appointing alternate electors in certain states and a january 5th, 2021 email with a 38-page power point briefing titled election foreign interference and options for 6 january to be provided on the
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hill. so how can he argue now that he can't testify about these documents after he turned them over himself? >> that's exactly the question. he had quite a change of heart suddenly. he's turned these documents over and these are glaring red lights. attacks on the election and plans for january 6th and seeding alternate slates of electors and this isn't just coming from a fringing white wing conspiracy theorists or bannon or alex on the podcast. this is coming from mark meadows, the heart of power. the committee has to be focused on the dockcuments and that's w it's important they question mark meadows. >> there is a january 2021 text exchange here to talk about between mark meadows and the organizer of the january 6th
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rally, a january 5th email having the national guard on stand by and text messages about the need for trump to issue some kind of public statement to stop the january 6th attack at the capitol. now, meadows has key information for policy and national security conversations with the former pres president. >> that's correct and seems like he nailed this pretty good. he's chosen not to cooperate because i think donald trump is upset about the book and wants him to walk it back. he's not happy about meadows coope cooperation. i don't know how meadows thinks he'll be able to recall the documents dumped to the committee. the ckcommittee isn't sending tm back. this is an odd situation, mark meadows was a senior republican and had people defied subpoenas
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that so this is about donald trump being in a snit over the book. >> this was said about the lawsuit against the committee tonight. listen. >> he claims what accounts for his about face is propdesire to cooperate was subpoenaed phone records suggests perhaps it was concerned that the phone records might contradict what he was telling the committee or maybe it was the president got upset with his book or upset with the former president was upset he was cooperating. i don't know. but the reality is something led him to abandon cooperation with the committee. >> meadows certainly seems concerned about the phone records the committee has, including his own. why do you think he's worried about that? >> look, this is a complete
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pretext. obviously, he's worried. by the way, his argument is i'm not going to cooperate anymore because how dare you subpoena my phone records? that's the most normal routine investigative subpoena in the world. these service providers have endire br entire branchs that do nothing but respond all day. all the committee will get is a list of who called who and when? you don't get the substance. there is obviously something in there mark meadows doesn't want the commit totee to see. who mark meadows was speaking to on january 6th. if i'm on the committee, that's piquing my interest moore. >> charlie, we know once pence aid is cooperating and a former vp in new hampshire today a signal he's thinking about 2024 but what chance does he have really in this trump gop? is that even at all realistic for him?
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>> i think the presidential candidate has an uphill battle and the former chief of staff is cooperating because i think mike penl pence has a pretty good story to tell. he was a victim of the attack and that he in the end did the right thing and he's trying to draw a little contrast, a little separation between himself and the former president and he thinks this might help in the presidential bid but still, it's trump's party at the moment so this may not help mike pence as much politically as he would like even though he did do the right thing in the end. >> good luck if you are thinking about 2024 mike pence. thank you gentlemen, appreciate it. joining me is cnn's chief white house correspondent caikaitlan collins. we have kaitlan at 11:00. >> in studio. >> listen, president biden was in kansas city toting his economic message today on the
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heels of some really good economic news including dropping gas prices. what did we hear today? >> the average has gone down. that's welcome news for the white house because they have been plagued by this for several weeks talking about the prices and where they were. as the president was there, he was talking about this and in part giving himself credit for a move he made recently. >> two weeks ago i announced the largest ever release of the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve to increase the supply of oil, to help bring down prices. i met with our friends around the world, other countries joined us and those savings are starting to reach drivers. >> now, don, a few things we should note. by the time the president announced that which wlease fro t strategic reserve, the president did want to take a move to show people that he was listening.
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that he understood the pain they were feeling at the pump and the white house had predicted it would take until able right now because remember, when he announced that it was around thanksgiving and people were getting on the road. this is something the white house was happy about and dealing with this and a constant issue they were hearing from lawmakers and voters, as well. they're happy to see the prices go down in part we do believe it's also because that was right around when the omicron variant emerged and started to spook people what that could mean for the future. >> the criticism has been that, you know, they -- americans didn't know what the biden administration was accomplishing and even though they were accomplishing things that he didn't tote it enough so he's been doing on this tour around the country now promoting his infrastructure bill and push for his build back better bill. but how likely is it to get his economic agenda, to get his economic agenda passed by the end of the year, kaitlin? >> that's the deadline they're
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shooting for. that's what she would like to accomplish getting it done by christmas. of course, don, right now that does seem to be a long shot given what you're hearing from people like senator joe mansion, sen senator kyrsten sinema. the two votes they have to get on board to have this passed and what you heard from senator mansion today, he said the white house isn't lobbying them and having intensive negotiations they were having around the infrastructure bill and he's someone that's made clear he's not eager to get this done any time soon. he's not trying to pass it by tomorrow. whether or not they can get it done by the end of the year publicly they say they're optimistic, don. if you talk to democrats and talk to people inside the white house privately, they concede this could be something that slips into 2022. >> well, let's hope it's fast, okay? because folks need it. listen, as of today 200 million americans have fully vaccinated. it's a huge success in a year. but there is still significant vaccine resistance and now the need for boosters. what's the white house doing right now?
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>> i think the boosters is the biggest push that you were seeing from them right now. it's something they are talking about every chance they get there is a reason you're seeing so many health officials on television including the cdc director today, dr. fauci on television talking about how important this is because they're in a holding period waiting to see more definitive data around the omicron variant, what does that look like? are these vaccines and boosters effective and feeling good about it so far but realize there are about 100 million americans who still need to get the booster shot, who have not gone so yet. so you saw that today. that's the push that they are still continuing. one other interesting thing dr. fauci said today quoting his own personal opinion. he thinks the definition of fully vaccinated can change from those two shots of course if you have an m. >> reporter: -- mrna vaccine. that's not officially happened yet. >> kaitlan collins in washington. >> so good to be back with you. >> not at the white house. i know. we need to take this on the
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road. [ laughter ] >> it would be sold out in every city that we went to. [ laughter ] >> alabama, louisiana -- [ laughter ] >> there is something else. a beyonce something like that, alabama, louisiana, there you go. thank you. >> let me know when you want to go. >> you're from alabama. i'm from louisiana. i'm not a big fan of the roll tide. i am an lsu tiger. i still like kaitlan collins. >> we'll see how your new coach does. >> great. he's got a great accent, too. inside joke. google it. thank you. see you soon. so we've got some real work to do in this country but the wing nut wing of the gop is trying to district us with endless trolling. we'll discuss that, next. >> i don't feel like talking about what the republicans aren't doing or are doing about the disgraceful, unacceptable behavior of their members. ne. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know.
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outrage growing for lauren boebert's unhinged behavior. they want to strip her committee assignments citing anti muslim comments towards congresswoman ill han omar. >> it's shameful we had to wait this long for meaningful action, for meaningful accountability but here we are. for a member of congress to repeatedly and unapologetically use hateful, racist and islam phobic tropes is dangerous. >> the day after boebert put out this christmas photo showing her
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four children holding semiautomatic style weapons. ana navarro and scott jennings here. good evening to both of you. this is getting out of control. kevin mccarthy nowhere to be found and the leadership is absolutely astounding. >> it is. obviously kevin mccarthy wants to be the speaker of the house and he know he has a problem on his right flank and trying not to rile them up. what is being shown is a lack of a moral compass. it should not be hard to admonish somebody for making discriminatory statements. >> let me get both of you to respond to this. when you have people who do this wackiness do you have to respond to the craziness because doesn't it pull you down? can't you let them be crazy on
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your own? >> that's a very legitimate question because obviously, lauren boebert likes to go from outrage to outrage and offense to offense because it's click bait and she fund raises out of it and gets higher profile out of it and we're talking about it. that being said, how do you not respond to an islam phobic attempt? do you stay quiet? little muslim boys and girls all over this country. >> maybe you can put out a statement. i don't know. i think at some point you have to be above the craziness and let them spin and toil and look bad and you take the high road. scott, i don't know. am i wrong? what do you think of that? >> i think as a strategic matter you raise the point. the reason someone would tell this kind of a joke, the reason someone would fabricate this story they're trying to attract attention and when you elevate it to the extent it been
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elevated and we've been discussing it for days and days and days. this is what they want and the idea we'llmittee hearing, do we think lauren boebert wakes up desperate to get to a committee hearing? of course not. this isn't a punishment. this is a desired outcome. i think actually, don, you raise the correct point which is when you deprive an attention hound of oxygen, you deprive them of the attention that they want. that's a smarter play. >> that's what i do. >> it might be smarter but i just -- we did this with donald trump, right? we faced this same question with donald trump for four years and followed up on offensive, ridiculous things he said because not doing so is normalizing it and there is no way we can stay quiet not face of racism. listen, if she said these things
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about latinos, i would be outraged and want people to talk about it. >> this is the thing. i'm not sure the democrats are the ones that should be responding. it should be on the repu republican -- look, dan crenshaw spoke out. li listen. >> there is two types of members of congress, performance artists and legislators. the perform artists get all the attention, the ones you think are more conservative because they know how to say slogans really well and know how to recite the lines they know that our voters want to hear. we have drifters in our path. >> that's who the speakers should be. i'm not sure it helps democrats to lie down to get fleas, let's put it that way. do you see my point, scott? >> yeah, look, i think dan in
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that specific case, representative crenshaw was responding to a specific issue where they were voting on a bill and some people he was k0 commenting on were circulating this crazy idea there was something until the bill that really wasn't in the bill and i think he was irritated with it. the idea he would go and vote away and have it described by people in his own conference in a way that just wasn't true and always the same people and so he was bold enough and i think courageous enough to say this is b.s. and by the way he has credibility not just as a republican but someone that sacrificed and served this country. i was grateful dan crenshaw did that. his unique voice is the kind to potentially put a stop to this. there is always going to be a market for people who are in the performance business rather than being in the member of congress business. >> same sentiment, ana, even if we're talking about something specifically and something that wasn't true and there.
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that's what we're talking about the big lie and so on. the same sentiment. >> it's great that there is a voice like dan cerenshaw or saying that and not liz chioir . these are people with a record of service. i think donors need to speak up. if you're a republican donor unhappy with this, speak up. if you're a former elected official and former president, if you're a former governor who feels offended by the way that the party is going and this lack of moral leadership, you need to speak up. too many people stayed quiet thinking this too shall pass and for fear of being in the cross hairs and it's enough. the question for the republican party is how low can you go? this can't be a party that is the slogan for limbo rock
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marjo marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, how low can they go? they have no bottom and use it to fund raise and it gets worse and worse and affects society and all of us. yesterday i was at the funeral of kerry meek, former congressman kerry meek lived to be 95 years old. first african american woman elected to florida after reconstruction. there were republicans sitting there. republican colleagues of her, one of the people that spoke poin ygnantly because it used t not be this way and there was respect for the institution and people didn't go there to troll each other on twitter or offend each other from the floor of the house. >> look, all i'm saying is at some point you have to be above it and take the high road and lead by example and i'm not sure if it's responding to every single idiot thing that lauren
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boebert or matt gaetz says in the party. i think a better strategy is to push the leaders of the party to do something about it, tell them they need to do something about the folks in their party rather than giving in. >> don, your point on this, don, they are desirests of the so-called establishment or leadership or swamp or whatever -- they are desirests of a situation where that group comes down on them. so when you respond to everything they do, this is the desired outcome so the demand for leaders to come down on people like this that's what they want and the cycle starts over again and we had the same conversation again. i think you're on to something, don. >> i got to tell you, look, i hear you and i hear both of you and i understand the strategy part u be i can tell you this. i will never get tired and i will never normalize and i will never be silent in the face of
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racism and islam phobia and the kind of offensive actions happening from -- >> you're right about that. >> i'm not going to stay quiet when paul gosar tweets out killing alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> you're right. >> i don't agree with you. >> you have to look at the big picture and take each one on the merit. sometimes the best response is no resons. >> absolutely not. maybe you can do that at other times but not when you talk about a co-equal -- >> ignorance and craziness is no response. >> you-all can be silent. i'll be a hero by myself. >> they say silence speaks volumes. >> we'll be right back. >> words speak volumes. by the team at fidelity.and a group of investment professionals manages ben's ira for him, analyzing market conditions and helping him stay on target. he gets one-on-one coaching when he wants some advice,
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the trust is gone. that's what one senator said when grilled on capitol hill and as asking questions over what social media giant is doing to ki kids. >> do you view the kids as a theater way for people to get into your product? have you not done things to get more teenagers interested in your product? are you not worried about losing them to other platforms? you better tell the truth, you're under oath. >> joining me is donie.
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the impact of children front and center particularly the influ wedn -- influence instagram has on teenage girls. >> they were mad at the instagram ceo today saying they weren't getting the transparency and commitments to be transparent about data but senator richard blumenthal asked a very good question, which was even when parents see things or when any users see content on the platform that could be dangerous and reported to instagram, facebook, meta, whatever you want to call it today, instagram doesn't do anything. have a listen. >> shouldn't children and parents have the right to report dangerous material and get a response? get some action? because we've heard stories from parents who tried to report and
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have heard no response my office made a report and got a response and tuntil cnn made the report o press relations. shouldn't there be an obligation that instagram will respond? >> senator, yes, i believe we try and respond to all reports and if we ever fail to do so, that's a mistake we should correct. >> donie, it's not just instagram. i've made complaints, instagram, twitter, facebook, all of them and it's just -- that's why i don't go on social media. >> they have rules and make very -- they got good press and announce new rules but you heard blumenthal. they mentioned a cnn report we reported on how blumenthal's staff set up a fake instagram account as a 13-year-old girl. she followed a few accounts about dieting, about eating disorders and within a few days
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instagram's algorithm was recommended to her exclusively content telling her to glorified eating disorders. that's supposed to be against instagram rules to have those accounts but instagram didn't detect them but reported to the regular way, a regular user could report them, instagram did nothing. it wasn't until we asked that instagram did anything. they said those accounts shouldn't be on our platform but clearly, there is a major, major issue when they're doing anything about it on their own. >> keep following. keep reporting. thank you. always a pleasure. so he was shot and killed by a police officer who said she thought she was tasing him. the trial over the death of daunte wright starts today, and his mother takes the stand.
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opening statements and courtroom testimony beginning today in minnesota in the trial of an ex police officer charged with manslaughter in the shooting death of daunte wright. kim potter shot and killed wright during a traffic stop claiming she mistook her gun for her traaser. the deadly incident was caught on video. the first prosecution witness, daunte wright's mother. more from adrian and a warning, some of the video is disturbing.
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[crying] >> reporter: katy bryant shaken as she describes her final conversation with her son daunte wright. bryant was the first witness called in a manslaughter trial of former police officer kim potter. potter is accused of shooting and killing wright after she says she mistakenly pulled her gun instead of her taser. >> he called me to tell me he's been pulled over. he asked, you know, if he was in trouble and he just sounded really nervous. but i reassured him it would be okay. >> reporter: but what bryant heard next still haunts her. >> i could hear the phone being put down and i heard them say, somebody tell somebody to hang up the phone and then that's all i heard. >> reporter: on the stand, bryant revealing what she saw on facetime. >> she said that they shot him. [crying] and she faced the phone towards the driver's seat and my son was
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laying there. he was unresponsive and he looked dead. >> reporter: bryant testified a neighbor then drove her to the scene about ten miles outside minneapolis. she identified her son in the middle of a street by his sneakers. >> it was the worst day of my life. >> reporter: defense attorneys argues there was a warrant for wright's arrest and he resisted. >> he had to be arrested on the warrant. a court of law directed him to arrest him. >> reporter: both sides focussing on potter pulling her gun instead of the taser. >> [ bleep ] you! taser, taser, taser! >> a key issue in the case for you is what was her conscious thought as to whether or not she had a taser in her arm or a gun? that's why she said taser, taser, taser. she didn't say gun, gun, gun.
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>> we trust them to know wrong from right and left from right. this case is about an officer who knew not to get it dead wrong. but she failed. >> reporter: wright was initially pulled over in april for an expired tag and an air freshener. potter tells wright he has an outstanding warrant and another officer attempts to arrest him. body camera footage shows the shooting. >> going to [ bleep ] taze you! taser, taser, taser! [ bleep ] i shot! i just shot him. >> the prosecutor using potter's own words against her. adrian, thank you so much now i want to bring in now antonio, the attorney for daunte wright's family. attorney, thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> good evening, don. thank you so much.
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>> you just -- you know, we heard some of daunte's mother's emotional testimony today. how is she doing? >> i got the o tell you, don. today i was sitting in the courtroom, the overflow courtroom with the family watching katy's testimony and it was some of the most gut wrenching, heart wrenching, it was the worst punch i've ever taken in the gut watching someone testify today. you know, katy, i'm glad that her testimony went 30 minutes, 35 minutes. i don't know how much longer she could have done it and certainly, you know, family watching, they couldn't have done it anymore, either because it was so emotional in that room today. and she's doing probably as well as she could given the circumstances. >> have you been in touch with the prosecution at all in negotiating her testimony? what do you think of the job they are doing? >> well, i think they're doing a terrific job. this case unfortunately has a
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lot of noise around it but when you look at the core of what they're trying to do, the charges that are filed and how they presented the evidence so far in the arguments they've made in opening statements, everything fits. they have multiple lanes in which they can obtain a conviction here as long as they can explain the jury instructions to the jury. they're doing a very good job so far because those charges that are against potter right now, there are, like i said, multiple ways in which the jury can find the path for conviction. >> how is the family taking the defense arguing that potter is just a human being who made a mistake? they're blaming wright for his death by saying that he should have just surrendered. >> don, first of all, this was not a mistake. she intentionally, she knew that she was grabbing her gun. i watched that video today and i
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watched it very closely and before she yelled taser, taser, taser, she had been gun ready for about 20 to 25 seconds. i saw her put her hand on the gun and remove her hand from her gun on her strong side at least three times. so what does that tell me? that she was ready to use gun on somebody that had, what, no insurance card? registration was expired on the car? where was her deescalation at all here? and when she was gun ready and she was going to still use a taser on somebody who was unarmed and not a threat. i mean, it was really rid ridiculous. this case is about kim potter, it's not about daunte wright. kim potter pulled the trilogier -- trigger on the gun. >> listen, she sounds distrout after making that fatal mistake. you don't think that will play with the jury? >> look, she does sound distraught but on the other
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hand, did she or any of her fellow officers do anything to assist daunte who they know she had just shot. she knew she shot somebody right in the chest and they're concerned about her. they needed to call medical emergency right away and they failed to do that. now, she knew that she made a mistake. clearly. >> yeah. antonio, thank you very much. i appreciate it. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, don. good night. >> kim potter faces first-degree manslaughter and second degree manslaughter charges. a black couple lowballed on the value of their house by an appraiser and when a white friend showed the same house, it shot up almost half a million. now they're suing. white ith crest 3d and from mochaccinos to merlot, your smile will always be brilliant. crest 3d white brilliance. 100% stain removal, 24 hour stain resistance to lock in your whitest smile. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america.
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>> reporter: and their work paid off, or so they thought. according to court documents the austins added a deck, a gas fireplace, and additional living space. in january of 2020 with the buildout almost finished they decided to refinance and take some cash out of the property. they got an appraisal. >> it was right before covid hit. so the rates were extremely low. so we were trying to refinance to take advantage of the low rates. >> reporter: and to their surprise the appraiser wrote in her report that the house was only worth $995,000. >> we were sick. sick to our stomach. we was upset. we was angered. >> i was disappointed because one, i knew that the house was worth more than that. and secondly, because we needed the house to appraise for a certain amount in order for us to be able to pull out the capital in it. and when it didn't come in at that it was devastating. >> reporter: they suspected that the seeming lowball valuation from an appraiser who happened
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to be a white woman may have had something to do with their race or their location or both. marin city has a sizable african american population. unlike marin county, which is mostly white. >> she considered us living in marin city and devalued our home based off of that. >> and saw a black face. >> reporter: so they decided to put their suspicions to a test. they requested yet another appraisal and got a female friend who was white to come to the house to meet the appraiser to make it look like this was her house. >> i contacted her, and i said we have another -- our appraisal came in low, we have another appraiser coming. can you come and be me? >> reporter: but that's not all they did. they also removed any evidence that black people even lived there. a process that's been called whitewashing. >> took out everything that resembled that this home belonged to us. >> yeah. or to an african american family. >> art, pictures. >> even i would say my hair
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products, i put them away. so that someone would be tipped off by them. >> reporter: a different appraiser, also a white woman according to the austins, who visited the house in february of 2020, came back with a valuation of more than $1,482,500, an appraisal 49% higher than the previous one. in dollars that's a $487,500 difference between two appraisals that came about three weeks apart. in federal court the austins have sued the appraiser, jeanette miller, who gave them the lower estimate, alleging housing discrimination. miller did not respond to several requests to either make a statement, grant an interview or put us in contact with her lawyer. devaluation of the property values and rights of african americans and hispanics is a deeply rooted american tradition that's starting to attract more attention in washington. and it's not always about million-dollar homes. andre perry, senior fellow at
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the brookings institution, writes about it. >> we find homes in black neighborhoods are underpriced by 23%, about 48,000 cumulatively. about 156 billion in lost equity in black neighborhoods. 156 billion. >> and joe johns joins me now. joe, thanks for joining us. the austins are suing. what are they expecting to get out of the suit? >> reporter: well, they say they want an order about discrimination, but there's also the issue of damages. they lost the interest rate that they were trying to get. and i did ask the lawyers in terms of damages what are you asking for because how do you calculate that? they haven't figured it out yet. still, it's a huge problem, and people can lose tens of thousands of dollars if they get a bad appraisal, don. >> all right. joe johns, thank you so much. i appreciate it. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. th fidel, we'll look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and build a straightforward plan
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