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insurrection, u.s. capitol police chief tom manger addressed the current state of his embattled department. >> the united states capitol police, as an organization, is stronger and better prepared to carry out its mission today than it was before january 6th of last year. >> reporter: a report last month by the inspector general michael bolton found that only about a quarter of the 104 recommended changes to the u.s. capitol police following the january 6th riot have been implemented. but today, manger said 60 other reforms are in progress. >> there was no question in my mind looking at all the recommendations, that intelligence, operational planning and getting our civil disturbance unit up to where it needs to be were the three biggest issues and those were the ones we worked on first and frankly are largely completed. >> reporter: still the department faces daunting
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challenges. at least four january 6th responders have died by suicide over the last year. the department also has not been able to fully address staffing issues. it has lost over 130 officers through retirement or resignation after january 6th and the force is still about 400 officers short of where it needs to be. and those who remain still have scars from the attack. >> this whole year has been very difficult. >> reporter: sergeant gannel, a 15-year veteran of the force, was assigned to guard the west entrance to the capitol on january 6th. today he reflected on that haunting experience. >> so the magnitude of what we encountered was something like i never experienced myself, not even when i was overseas in combat. >> reporter: gonell was out for months because of injuries sustained during the insurrection and still grapples
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with trauma from that day. >> when i returned to the capitol on november 3rd, i hesitated before going in, to be ho honest. i thought it was going to be gut wrenching to even take the first step out of my car. >> reporter: manger says he's aware of several events planned for thursday but there's no intelligence that indicates there will be any problems. now the department of homeland security chief also said today he is not aware of any specific credible threats on the anniversary of the insurrection. jake? >> paula reid, thanks so much. let's discuss with former fbi senior intelligence adviser phil mudd and terrence gainer, former chief of the u.s. capitol police chief. let me start with you. the current capitol police chief says the force is tronger and better prepared today than it was before the attack a year ago. do you agree? >> absolutely, i agree. i know tom very well. i know the work he's been doing.
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jake, i've been talking to officers at all levels and they agree things are a lot better in equipment, training, information and intelligence and radio communications. >> phil mudd, after the attack, the capitol police inspector general issued more than 100 security upgrade recommendations. they say the police -- capitol police say they've only oned one-third of those. chief manger says today that about 60 others are under way. one such as stronger windows which can't be installed during winter. we don't know what's remaining on the list. some house republicans are out there saying nothing has changed, or at least not enough to make the capitol safer. is the u.s. capitol properly protected today? >> i think in one sense it is. if you look at physical security, i was watching the briefing today, and you anticipate what happens in a couple of days. hard to imagine we'll see a repeat this week, next week, the week after of what we saw a year ago. i do think that there's a broader question here that we need to focus on and that's not
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just on physical security. that's on the security in this country of how we speak about political violence. what i've seen change over the last year isn't just the threat to windows. it's more and more politicians saying what happened is maybe an acceptable part of the political landscape. i don't care how hard you secure windows or how many people you hire, if this starts to be part of the american political dialogue that is violence against a building, no intel guy, no security guy can secure that building. >> chief manger says the capitol could withstand another january 6th-style attack. do you agree? >> as it stands right now, i don't think it could without a lot more forces. one of the things we keep skipping is the fact that there is not a secure perimeter around there. so you're always relying on the best intelligence you can in a number of authors to fight and repel hoards. as long as there's not crowds of 5,000 and 10,000, they are in good shape. but everybody refuses to address
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a more secure way to let people on to the campus, let's say, a gateway where everybody is checked before they come on the campus and then you can be in control of that. so we are relying on those officers to be able to keep people off the steps away from those windows that still aren't repaired and be ready for anything. >> so phil, you had a decades-long career in law enforcement, counterterrorism. we know the capitol police force is about 400 officers short of full operating capacity. we've also heard by the way before the capitol attack of low morale caused by a lot of the black lives matter, defund the police movement, low morale among police officers. how difficult is it to recruit good officers and retain a current workforce with all of this political violence, especially what happened on the capitol, i guess? >> i think extremely difficult and maybe impossible. if you contrast this to what we
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face at the bureau and cia after 9/11, america despite the mistakes we made, they supported us. every time i saw somebody in a public event they'd come up almost without exception and say, we love you guys. including parents who lost children in the towers who came up to me personally. if you contrast that to what we see in terms of treatment of police today and how some members of congress have spoken about the people that the officers who protected them, it's a polar opposite. i would worry not just that they can't recruit but if you have to open the aperture to recruit people who maybe aren't up to the standards that you want, that's not where you want to be. i'd worry about recruiting people who maybe shouldn't be there in the first place because they can't get anybody to show up. >> and chief, a recent threat assessment warns that, quote, threat actors might take advantage of the one-year anniversary of the january 6th attack. federal officials, though, as you heard from paula, they say there's currently no specific or credible threats. how concerned are you? >> well, i hope they learned a
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lot of lessons. our intelligence maripartners as the spectrum to share that information but it's some actually similar to the attitude they had a couple of days before the sixth. that said, i think like after 9/11, everybody got sharper. after the january 6th of last year, everybody's gotten sharper. we have to stay on guard. and it doesn't help that members of congress, the republican members of congress in large part, are saying it's not secure enough and they're not doing much to dial down the temperature and say honest things and push to calm the rancor we have throughout the united states. >> thanks to both of you. really appreciate it. coming up -- we'll have a look at some of the rioters from january 6th, including one who says he's embarrassed by what he did that day. plus, we'll talk to a pediatric expert about the importance of keeping kids in classrooms as one major teachers union is about to vote on going virtual again.
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in our health lead, from coast to coast, a growing dilemma as president biden says schools should remain open. school districts are struggling with what to do amid a skyrocketing number of children hospitalized with covid. although most school districts are open for in-person learning. around 3,200 schools from seattle to newark, new jersey, have instituted what amounts to a patchwork of delays and remote starts. in chicago, the country's third largest school district, teachers are going to vote tonight whether to take action against in-person learning. cnn's omar jimenez is in chicago. what does the teacher's union want?
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>> they've been at the bargaining table this afternoon and part of the concern from the chicago teachers union is they don't believe the current measures in place from the school district are enough to keep students and staff safe in person. and that comes from not enough access to testing. also the fact that only about one-third of the total student population is vaccinated, even though the rate for teachers is much higher. within the context of record covid-19 case num berss over the course of the past few weeks for students, staff and, of course, the city of chicago as a whole. the school district has said going virtual would be too detrimental to education and what they proposed is school-level metrics for when to go fully remote. an example was when about 50% of the student population is forced to isolate or quarantine. and that comes on top of the universal masking they've instituted and maintaining the primary spread is not happening in the classrooms but instead in the surrounding communities. but, of course, as of right now the union is still set to vote,
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a vote that will carry on likely until 10:00 eastern time tonight. if they vote yes to go virtual, they won't end up going virtual. the school district says school will be canceled. >> what are you hearing from parents in chicago? >> well, parents as you can imagine are mixed bag on this. one sentiment they share is that this is deja vu. we went through a similar situation like this last year, and another shared sentiment is frustration over what happens to these students' educations when she's two sides negotiate and virtual learning is on the table. one parent in particular with a first grader in the chicago public school system told me that our children have a right to quality in-person education and teachers that will help them reach their academic potential. anything short of that is professional negligence. my wife will have to quit her job in order to be hope for the remote learning experience. the hardship this will cause to working families, mine included, is criminal. and another parent who pulled her child out of the school system last year because of these frustrations said that the
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blame lies with the school district. they need to figure it out, but the district says they have. union says they haven't. >> omar jimenez, thanks. let's talk about this with dr. paul offit. a member of the fda's advisory committee. you heard omar's report from chicago. we know that as long as schools are embracing vaccines, ventilation, testing and masking, health experts say it's safe for kids to go back. it's safe for in-person learning. but there is a shortage in testing. so what should schools do? i think in philly, where you are, they voted, the schools are remote now, right? >> i think 81 of the 200 schools in philadelphia are remote. but still, almost a little more than half are still going back to school because we want kids to be back in school, right? nobody has suffered, i think, social isolation from nat not being in school more than children. for many it's the only decent
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meal they get during the day and distance learning is in many ways a contradiction in terms. we want kids to be in school. then we have to do everything we can to keep them in school. the testing is a problem. so i think what we have to do is make use of the fact or understand the fact that we just don't have testing that's available. so the best thing to do then, if a child obviously has covid, they should stay home until they're completely asymptomatic and then come back to school with masks and for anybody who has been exposed, they need to mask for ten days. with masking and social distancing and vaccination, you know, we can get on top of it. if the teachers have to be vaccinated. bus drivers have to be vaccinated and the children over five should be vaccinated and then we can have the thing we all want. this precious thing we all chapter is to have our children back in school. but we should do it in a responsible way and vaccination and masking and social distancing and having the right filtration is that responsible way. >> a piece in "the new york times" says for the past two years, large parts of american society have decided harming
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children was an unavoidable side effect of covid-19. probably true in spring of 2020 when nearly all of society shut down. but the widespread availability of vaccines since last spring also raises an ethical question. should children suffer to protect unvaccinated adults who are voluntarily accepting covid risk for themselves? and increasing everybody else's risk, too. right now the united states is effectively saying, yes. the argument being made there is most of the people in the hosp hospitals are adult, overwhelmingly and most of them are unvaccinated. and we are making this decision as a society. kids can suffer because we don't want adults who have the vaccine right there to get hurt. >> certainly children are suffering. children's hospital of philadelphia is seeing many, many children, including 15 in the intensive care unit who have covid. and i think the vaccine is safe and effective.
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and so we should give it. unfortunately if you look at 12 to 17-year-old, only about 55% are vaccinated. so 45% aren't. for the 5 to 11-year-old, only 15% are vaccinated. so 85% are not. you can never make a case to a parent they should get vaccinated to protect an older adult. vaccinate a child because it protects the child. although they get infected less frequently and less severely, they certainly can be affected severely. about 1,000 children, less than 18 years of age, have died from this infection. we have vaccines in place for diseases that cause far fewer deaths than that. >> we talked to a pediaeration from a hospital last week and the kids hospitalized because of covid are almost entirely unvaccinated. is that the case at c.h.o.p.? >> yes, not only are children unvaccinate bud parents are unvaccinated and siblings
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unvaccinated. you watch these parents suffer the fact their children are brought up to the icu, desited and you're watching the parents cry and you're thinking you could have vaccinated your child, vaccinated yourself and it's just really heartbreaking. this was heartbreaking enough before we had a vaccine. now that you have a vaccine to prevent all of this, it's doubly heartbreaking. >> get your kids vaccinated. dr. paul offit, thank you. the january 6th committee has officially asked sean hannity from fox to voluntarily cooperate with their questions about his conversations with folks at the white house. find out what they want from him specifically, next. ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪
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we have some breaking news in our politics lead. the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol insurrection has just released the letter that its members sent to fox news host sean hannity today asking for his cooperation with their probe into the deadly attack. let's bring in cnn's jamie gangel. walk us through what the letter says and what the committee is asking mr. hannity for. >> they're asking him for voluntary cooperation, jake, and it's based on the fact that they say they have a series of texts, multiple texts from him to former chief of staff mark meadows, as well as other members of the white house staff. let me just read to you from the top of the letter. they say to hannity that it indicates that he had, quote, advanced knowledge regarding president trump's and his legal team's planning for january 6th.
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it goes on to say that it appears hannity was, quote, expressing concerns and providing advice to the president and certain white house staff regarding the planning. it goes on to say that sean hannity, quote, also had relevant communications while the riot was under way. and in the days thereafter. and that, quote, the communications make you a fact witness in our investigation. within the letter, they have released a number of text messages. they say that there were others in addition to that, but let me just give you one example, jake. they refer to text message on january 5th. this would be, obviously, the night before the riot. and they say on january 5th, the night before the violent riot, you sent and received a stream of texts.
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you wrote, quote, i am very worried about the next 48 hours. with the counting of the electoral votes scheduled for january 6th at 1:00 p.m., this is now the committee saying to hannity, why were you concerned about the next 48 hours? so, jake, we're still going through it. we're just looking at this letter now. but i think it gives you a sense of two things. one is while they say in the letter that they have the utmost respect for the first amendment, they feel that sean hannity has relevant information that does not interfere with the first amendment and it's also obvious from their letter that they have it would seem, dozens if not more email exchanges in this critical period of time, jake. >> jamie gangel, thank you. joining us live to sdurkdiscuss
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carrie cordero. carrie, just looking at this letter that the january 6th committee has sent to fox host sean hannity, they have a lot of evidence, they seem to have, they seem to be claiming about whom hannity was talking to wha, what he was discussing. one of the things it seems clear. they're trying to establish a fact pattern that sean hannity was worried about what trump and trump's mob would do because he didn't think that -- i'm trying to -- i'm extrapolating here, but it doesn't sound like hannity is saying, you know, we're going to be able to hold on to the presidency. he seems worried about what trump is going to do. >> right. so there's, obviously, facts that they have in their possession that indicate that sean hannity was in communication with folks at the white house and that he can potentially provide insights into the thinking that was going on either by the president, the
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former president himself, or others who were close to him to try to understand the events leading up to january 6th itself. but, jake, just on giving this letter a very quick look as it just came out. there's three things that stand out to me on the letter. number one, they're asking for voluntary cooperation from sean hannity. so this is not a subpoena to a member of the news media. this is the committee asking for voluntary cooperation. and that's important. the second thing that stands out to me is they say they want to work with his counsel. so this is not a subpoena. this is not a demand. this is the committee asking for his participation in this constitutional process to get to the bottom of the facts. and the third thing that stands out to me in the letter is that they say that they are not interested in information that's related to news gathering. and so for members of the media who are on the receiving end of a request from a government
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entity, the fact that it's not related to his news gathering activity is also important. >> most trump allies have refused to engage with the committee. ones at this level, like mark meadows or steve bannon. assuming that hannity refuses, and we don't know what he's going to do. i should be clearer with that. most people that the committee has asked to speak to have cooperated, but some top-level people have not. if hannity doesn't cooperate, is there a strong case for criminal contempt of congress? executive privilege doesn't apply but at the same time, he is a member of the press. and even if the committee is saying, hey, we're not trying to get involved with your press gathering, your news-gathering operation, that comes very close if not going over a line in terms of a journalist talking to people in the white house. >> so on one hand, jake, what
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the committee's way of operating has demonstrated is that no one is above the law, and people who are acting in their individual capacities, not in government positions even, but especially in their individual capacities don't have the right to deny participating with the committee and responding to a request. but at this point, this is voluntary cooperation that they're asking for. they haven't served a subpoena yet. and so, really, the question is, will he engage with the committee? so one of the things that i'll be interested to see how this plays out is whether he engages with the committee only through personal counsel or whether fox news acts on his behalf because if the news organization acts on his behalf, that will then raise the media side of this more. >> yeah. all right. carrie cordero, to be continued. more than 700 rioters have
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been charged for attacking the capitol nearly one year after the insurrection while plenty continue to stand by their actions insisting they did nothing wrong. jessica schneider reports some are expressing remorse for being a part of the violent mob. >> asked me if i'd do it again? i want to say yes, but then i'd question in the back of my head, would? i. >> reporter: josh pruitt describes the past year as an emotional train wreck. >> i don't feel i did anything wrong but knowing the consequences that came out of it would be the part that would make me question it. >> reporter: prosecutors have laid out an array of evidence against him. pruitt can be seen confronting capitol police officers after walking in through the shattered front doors. inside the capitol crypt, pruitt is caught smashing a sign. all of it leading to eight federal charges against him, including counts for destruction of government property and acts of physical violence. but pruitt defends his actions
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they day clinging to the big lie that former president donald trump continues to spread and saying he has no plans to plead guilty. >> i was just a patriot out there, you know, protesting against what i think is a stolen election. trying to send me to prison for a few years over this is a complete joke. >> are you concerned that you could be, in fact, sent to prison? >> i am concerned. >> reporter: pruitt is among the more than 700 people now charged in connection with the capitol attack. 70-plus defendants have been sentenced so far. about 30 getting jail time. >> the first week in january, i have to report to prison. >> reporter: jenna ryan flew a private jet to washington and notably boasted that storming the capitol was one of the best days of her life. her lack of remorse in part prompted a judge to impose a 60-day sentence after she pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. the judge saying he wanted to make an example of her after she shamelessly tweeted that she wouldn't get jail time since she has blond hair, white skin and
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did nothing wrong. >> all those 600 people that have been arrested are wondering what's going to happen to them. and prison can happen. >> several of those sentenced are expressing remorse. eric got 45 days in jail after pleading guilty to just one count of disorderly conduct. federal judge james bosberg admonushed him for trying undermine the peaceful transfer of presidential power, what he called one of the country's bedrock acts. he struggled to speak at sentencing telling the judge there is no excuse for my actions on january 6th. i can't tell you how much this has just twisted my stomach every day since it happened. another rioter, robert reeder, got three months in jail. during his sentencing, he pleaded with a judge saying he lost his family, his job and his place within his church community after january 6th. i am embarrassed. i am in shame, reeder said. the hurt that i have caused to other people, not just to myself, has left a permanent stain on me, society, the country and i don't want to be
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ever remembered for being part of that crowd. josh pruitt, though, still isn't willing to admit guilt or cooperate with prosecutors. video of pruitt pledging to become a member of the proud boys in november 2020 went viral. pruitt says prosecutors are asking for him to help make the case against other proud boys facing conspiracy charges. but he claims he no longer associates with the extremist group. >> i don't have anybody to throw under the bus nor would i anyway. and i just -- what i'm saying doesn't fit their narrative because they would like me to come forward and say that it was planned. and i am like, no, it wasn't. >> reporter: pruitt expects his case to go to trial and says he still stands by the big lie. >> i do believe the election was stolen, for sure. >> and do you still believe that? >> i still believe it. >> reporter: and pruitt isn't the only one. i spoke with several accused rioters on the phone. all of them declined to talk on camera. they cited their ongoing cases
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or desire to step back from the public glare but the handful that i did speak to told me they still believe the election was stolen. some even dispute that it was just pro-trump supporters who stormed the capitol building on january 6th. they falsely told me that they say members of antifa were involved. meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to identify more than 350 people who they say committed violent acts on the capitol grounds. this investigation, jake, far from over at this point. >> jessica, thanks so much. this thursday, join us for an unprecedented gathering inside the u.s. capitol with police, lawmakers, political leaders. anderson cooper and i will host our coverage live from the capitol january 6th, one year later, at 8:00 p.m. eastern. new pressure on west virginia democratic senator joe manchin from fellow democrats. the senator's response is next. cool stuff... y it was just a lot of fun. just to talk to my parents about it and to send it to my grandparents and be like,
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in our politics lead, democratic senator joe manchin today talking about turkeys when
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addressing the intense pressure campaign under way to get him to support a rules change in order to pass election reform legislation. chuck schumer saying the chamber will vote on the filibuster rule change by mid-january as a way to pass an election reform bill with a simple 51-vote majority. it's a move manchin and kyrsten sinema have both said they are not on board with. cnn's manu raju is live on capitol hill. you spoke with manchin today. what did he have to say about schumer's plan? >> he's not for it. the way this will happen, jake, in order to get a large-scale package done to change voting laws, they have to get at least ten republicans to support overcoming a filibuster or change the senate rules. in order to change the senate rules you need two-thirds majority to do that or do it along straight party lines meaning 50/50 senate, one senator defection could be enough to scuttle the effort to change the rules. joe manchin is making it clear,
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both he and kyrsten sinema oppose the idea of changing the rules along straight party lines. a process called the nuclear option on capitol hill because of concern that it could be replicated by future majorities to run roughshod over the minority. one idea democrats are trying to pressure joe manchin on is to support a carve out. allow voting rights legislation to be approved by a simple majority, 51 senators, circumventing a filibuster. but when i asked joe manchin about that if he was open to this idea at all, he made clear he was not. >> let me just say to being open to a rules change that would create a nuclear option, it's a very, very difficult. it's a heavy lift. and the reason i say it's a heavy lift is that once you change a rule or have a carve out, i've always said this, any time there's a carve out, you eat the whole turkey.
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there's nothing left. but let's just see. the conversations are still ongoing. i've been talking to everybody. we've been having good conversations. >> now conversations are ongoing, jake, at this exact moment at chuck schumer's office. joe manchin is there at this moment talking with a handful of other democratic senators about whether there's any way forward to getting him on board. he said he's willing to talk, but getting to the point where democrats want him to go, to change the rules to pass a sweeping measure to either overturn a 2013 supreme court ruling gutting the voting rights act or changing -- imposing a suite of reforms, getting to that point is a very heavy lift. but the democratic leaders are still pushing. >> manu raju on capitol hill, thanks so much. democratic congressman joe naguse of colorado. congressman, thanks for joining us. you heard senator manchin say he's apposed to this rules change that will allow election reform legislation to pass with a simple majority in the senate.
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usually you need 60 votes. one of the questions i have is, what makes you think that this could happen and then when republicans next take over the senate chamber, they wouldn't have a carve out for, let's say, nationwide ban on abortion or a nationwide concealed carry law? haven't we all learned in washington, d.c., just in the last 20 years once something is eroded, once a standard or a voting measure is eroded, it just doesn't come back? >> well, it's good to be with you, jake. first, before i address the merits of the proposal, i take senator manchin at his word that as he said, it's a difficult lift for him but that there are good conversations happening. i trust leader schumer to engage in those conversations with senator manchin and the other senators as they try to carve a path forward to reform of the filibuster to enable us to consider voting rights legislation. to the core of your question, at the end of the day, there are many in my caucus who believe
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that the senate should eliminate the filibuster entirely. the senate juxtaposed against the house is a broken institution, you know. that the volume of legislation the house considers as we do the people's work is compared to the senate very, very much, much larger. and the reality is the senate as it is today, you have a situation in which a few obstinate senators can stop and impede progress on a host of issues, including the protection of constitutional rights. of course, no right more important than the right to vote which is sacrosanct under our constitution and so, look, from my perspective, i'm comfortaabl letting the chips fall where they may, eliminating the fill bester rule to ensure it doesn't not preclude and impede the ability of a majority in the senate to make judgment on issues the american people care about. that's why we have elections and that's a far more prudent way forward. some disagree with that. a number prove posals are being considered as it relates to reforming the filibuster,
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including the talking filibuster, carve out as manu said. i think all of that is on the table. i'm hopeful we'll see progress before mlk day. >> you still didn't get to -- that's why we have elections. i mean, republicans have controlled the house and the senate and the white house before. they will again. there is this 60-vote threshold right now when it comes to nonreconciliation, noneconomic bills. what will you say to your constituents next time, assuming democrats get rid of the filibuster, next time republicans control the house and the senate and the white house and they pass a bill outlawing abortion nationwide, allowing concealed carry of guns nationwide and they'll say, well, you told us getting rid of the filibuster was a good idea and now look what's happened. >> yeah, what i'll say, jake, is the same thing i say to constituents. near colorado where we have a legislature, a state legislature, a house and senate where an archaic supermajority rule like's filibuster does not
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exist. the voters elect state representatives and state senators to ultimately protect the general welfare and to enact laws that are responsive to their needs. and that's why we have elections at the end of the day to the extend that voters disagree with the decisions made by a majority in the state senate or state house as the case may be. they have the opportunity to elect new representatives and new senators. and i would think that that system would work the best at the federal level in light of the reality that on so many issues, we are unable to make any progress in the united states senate because a simple senator, one senator, two senators can impede all progress. it doesn't just extend to matters of public policy per se. it also extends to the personnel decisions that the administration makes. republican and democrat. you know that just a few months ago, because of senator cruz and some other senators, the president was unable to have a wide array of ambassadors confirmed. some pretty highly sensitive posts abroad and overseas.
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that logjam was broken, but i don't think that's the way the senate should function. >> senator joe neguse, thank you. coming up, the cost of zero covid. how can city is imposing weeks-long guarantees leaving some people with long-lasting trauma. stay with us.
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hong kong has prided itself as one of the safest cities during the pandemic, but one psychiatrist is telling cnn that safety comes at a hefty price. will ripley dives into the
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city's 21-day quarantine and what some are describing as post-traumatic stress because of it. >> in zero covid hong kong, pandemic protocols have paralyzed this once busy travel hub. the arrival process that used to take minutes now drags on for hours. mandatory testing at the airport. waiting hours for the results. the lucky ones test negative and spend up to 21 days in self-pay hotel quarantine. darrell chan is not one of the lucky ones. >> i had been boosted. didn't ever think that i would be, actually test positive on arrival. >> 13 hours after landing in hong kong, chan was in an ambulance. he tested positive for the omicron variant even without symptoms, his minimum hospital stay is nearly a month. do you worry about your mental health as these days turn into
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weeks? >> yeah, absolutely, because i've never been in a situation like this before. >> in general, there's an increased sense of isolation, anxiety and in some severe cases, post-traumatic stress. >> hong kong psychiatrist says longer quarantines can be more traumatic. >> and then we have a lot of changes between the seven days and 14 days and 21 days and that was when people reported more stress. especially with the longer period of quarantine. >> darrell's day begins with a wake up. he takes his own vitals. calls and messages with friends and family to help pass the time. >> social media has really helped, actually. definitely makes you feel less alone. >> one of his greatest struggles. sharing a room and a bathroom. with two strangers.
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>> but i think what has definitely impacted me the most is the feeling of just you know, not having the freedom and regressing into almost feeling like you're back at school, you know, with controlled wake up and bedtimes. not being able to control what you can eat. >> meals often consist of mystery meat. the bigger mystery, chan's release date. he's supposed to start a new job, a new life, in hong kong. what's the worst part of this. >> i think it's not knowing when i'll be able to get out. >> for now, all he can do is wait. from his hospital bed, freedom feels like lifetime away. i called darrell last night. he is still testing positive, jake. he doesn't know how many more days this is going to be. maybe five, ten, 15 days. the number of people in his room, it was three at time of our interview.
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it's now six. all with the omicron variant. all without simymptoms, all essentially stuck there together until they can test negative and can be phased back out into zee roe covid hong kong. it is really extraordinary the lengths that are being taken here with my friends in the u.s., you can basically get on a plane, walk around and it's not a big deal, even if you test positive. certainly nothing like what it is here. >> you personally are no stranger to life in quarantine. given that you travel all over asia for cnn. what's that been like? >> think it's almost five months of my life this pandemic and quarantine. my experiences are very different from darrell's because we are basically locked in a hotel room we pay for as a company or out of your own pocket when you travel. it's very isolating. didn't realize how much of an introvert i am and how much it creeps me out to be around big
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