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welcome back, everyone. he is suing over what he calls racial discrimination, and now the entire nfl is reacting. former dolphins head coach brian flores joins me right here on the set live in just a moment. also tonight, a gop senator making a despicable comment on president biden's pledge to nominate a black woman to the supreme court. plus, he is the daily show correspondent talking to trump supporters. >> what would you call the events of january 6? >> a wonderful, glorious event. people were excited that day. >> january 6 was the greatest day of my entire life. >> comedian jordan clepler is teenage up with governor john kasich. they say they know what will heal this country. i'm going to ask them just what that might be, straight ahead. and president biden
relaunching the cancer moon shot initiative, aiming to cut the rate of cancer deaths in half over the next 25 years. but first, i want to start with this very important story. reaction to the explosive lawsuit rocking the nfl. former dolphins coach brian flores alleging racial discrimination. the league calling the suit meritless. but tonight he is getting a lot of support from current and former players. >> we're see seen as people who can't lead. and i'm speaking african americans. there is a notion of african american quarterbacks not being able to perform at the level of white quarterbacks. there is a notion of african american coaches not being able to perform at the level of black -- excuse me, white coaches. >> i believe that you should have filed a lawsuit. what is more embarrassing about this whole situation is the memo the nfl put out disregarding, you know, what brian flores has to say. >> black coaches are not awarded
the same opportunities as their white counterparts. black coaches are -- they take longer to get hired. they get fired faster. >> the nfl owners are the ones that determine who will be the head coaches for their football teams, and they have no incentive to hire black coaches, minority coaches because nobody -- they don't have to answer to anybody. >> all right. this is a real conversation we're going to have here. no holds barred. brian flores joins me now along with his lawyers. thank you so much. we good way back. >> we do. >> thank you. i'm proud of you. thank you very much. thank you for doing this. i really appreciate it. thank you guys for coming on. why are you doing it? >> for a number of reasons. first and foremost, i think the -- there is one black head coach in the national football league, and i believe that the
system is broken in the national football league in regards to hiring minorities and black coaches, head coaches and people in positions of power, gm, head coach. and i'm doing it because i think about my two boys and my daughter. and there just simply isn't enough representation of people who look like them in head coaching roles, in general manager roles, in executive president role, in the national football league. and i want them to be able to look at those roles. i want them to be able to look and believe that they can get into a role like that. that's simply not the case right now. >> you know people say brian, man, you've had a very successful career. you could still have a successful career. you can make a lot of money. black man doesn't really get a chance to do that. you are risking it all. and you say what? >> i say this is not about me. none of this is about me. i think we didn't need to file a
lawsuit for people to see that there is issues regarding, you know, the hiring and firing processes in the national football league. just look at the numbers. look at the -- look at the -- the players in this league -- 70% of the players in this league are black. and you're telling me that there is only one inquired black coach, one qualified person to coach an nfl team? i think there is a lot of issues. >> i want to read several things. several threats have pointed out it's really the nfl owners that really need to answer this. they are the gatekeepers for change. i'm sure you agree with that. there is not a single black owner. and your lawsuit compares the league to being like a plantation. do you ever see this changing? >> that's why we filed the lawsuit. because we need change. >> do you really think it's like a plantation? >> a modern form of that.
look, the people who make the decisions and, you know, the people who are working, the players, 70% of them are black. and the people who are making the decisions, the majority are white. and what we're trying to do with this lawsuit is really create change. and i think people talk about it. we implement, you know, a policy here, a policy there. i'm not looking for fluff policies. i'm looking for real change. and to me that starts in the hearts and minds of people. who make those decisions. and that's got to come through dialogue. that's got to come through communication. that's got to come through keeping an open mind and being willing to talk to and get to know people that are different than you're used to. and quite frankly, i think that if an owner is not willing to do
that, then he is not fit to own. this league is better than what they've shown. >> i jumped off last night and got off the red-eye, as soon as i got home, i turned it on and i they were having a conversation about this. i want to play this and then i'm going to bring the rest you have guys. >> all these social justice issues that we attacked, and it was valid and legitimate. but we saw players in the national football league and players in the nfl addressing that. this is an issue too. this is an issue to protest about. this is an issue to speak about. this is an issue to come together as athlete, black athletes everywhere and say we got to do something about it. >> we all remember what happened to collin kaepernick. why are youing willing to risk it all?
colin kaepernick just took a knee. from a service member who told him it was more respectful to take a knee. you are out here on your own. you've got these gentlemen supporting you. you've got other players supporting you. but what do you think about what stephen said? >> i'm not alone. i've gotten a lot of support, messages, phone calls, emails. a lot of coaches who have again through similar experiences that i've gone through. so i'm not on my own. and this is bigger than me. this is bigger than football. this is for generations, but for those who came before me and those generations to come. >> we hope the owners see this as an opportunity coming together as stephen a. smith was talking about. opportunity here to do the right thing. we've put this on a silver plate for them to say you know what? we can do better. we will do better. we're going to start hiring more black coaches at all different levels. we're going to make sure we do
the right thing. unfortunately, they've taken the initial stance of denying things, even though they haven't done investigations. we hope as the outpouring of support comes for coach flores, that things are going to change. >> do we jump in? >> the amount of people, and we've been traveling together today and since this broke. and obviously listening to the conversations of people calling coach and talking about how grateful they are and how thankful they are and how they feel like they can come forward just off of his courage. and obviously, lending himself and sacrificing it all for the greater good, for a cause. you know, the intended effect of promoting change and stepping out is -- it's working. it's working. >> i want to ask this, because i think it's very important. you also, and this is a very serious charge. it is a charge. you also allege that dolphins
owner stephen ross offered to pay you $100,000 for each game you lost in 2019 in order to taint the season in order to get the first pick the 2020 draft. you're a coach who is trying to motive players to win games. that is a serious charge. >> this game has done a lot for me. it's opened doors for me that would have never been opened. so to hear that, to disrespect the game that i love, that's done so much for me, that was appalling to me and i wouldn't stand for it. but that's -- i would say that's not as unfortunately it's more common than you think. i think there is another bridge coaches are something that happens in the national football league. what i mean by that is you hire a coach. you don't give the coach resources necessary to field a competitive team, and then you
get rid of that coach. that happens. it's happened quite often and it happens to black coaches. it's unfortunate. >> stephen ross has denied it. he says the informal is going to fight vigorously against this. what do you guys think? >> they came forward within an hour pretty much of us seiling a 60-page complaint rife with allegations of criminality, inappropriate conduct, racial discrimination, which is obvious by the numbers. and within an hour, just flat-out this is meritless. no investigation and said earlier, they investigated deflated footballs longer than they've even given any consideration to these serious allegations. it's ridiculous when you think about it. >> i'm so happy that you gentlemen came. thank you again. i'm so glad they're speaking out and you have the support system around you. it's good to see that. and thank you. we'll have you back to discuss this as this continues on. you're going to fight it.
you're going to continue the course? >> we certainly are. >> thank you. >> thank you, buddy. >> i appreciate it. >> we'll see you. thank you. >> nice to see you again. >> i have worked with this guy before. so some people sure seem to be afraid of black women. what else explains demeaning comments hockey the one senator john kennedy made when he said he wants a supreme court nominee who knows a law book from a j. crew catalog. saying he doesn't want her to advance a so-called woke agenda, all that about a nominee who hasn't even been named yet.
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that doesn't seem to matter. it's all about stoking outrage, really. here is what senator john kennedy told politico today. number one, i want a nominee that knows a law book from a j. crew catalog, i want a nominee who is not going to try to rewrite the constitution every other thursday to try to advance a woke agenda. how low can they go here? joining me now, "washington post" senior critic robin. thank you so much for joining. i'll let you. to me it's ridiculous. the difference between a law book and a j. crew cad katalog? that is a despicable comment. and the whole idea about the woke agenda? is that the new racist buzzword? >> well, i don't know that it's a new buzzword, but i do think that it's a reflection of what really seems to be a kind of nearly hysterical reaction to the idea of a black woman on the
supreme court. because all of this has come before there is an actual named nominee with qualifications that can be judged and can be compared to the qualifications of previous nominees. >> this is what you wrote in "the washington post" about the highly qualified women who have been mentioned as potential nominees. and you said they're afflicted by stereotypes that black women in particular too often have a difficult time shaking off presumptions that have some people viewing them as both threatening and unworthy. to some minds they are unruly and angry, even when they are merely making their case for fair treatment and their fair share. both threatening and inside consequential. how do you make sense of that? >> i think it's a bit impossible to make sense of it because it really doesn't make sense. i was struck by this idea that,
you know, the retiring judge breyer, justice breyer was scribed as a state ly left wing liberal and the replacement would be more like justice sotomayor, which suggested a woman of color, in this case a latina is neither stately or refined and is apparently something so far beyond liberal that it's unspeakable. and at the same time, there are other kcritics who are suggestig that it's an insult to the court to look for a black woman to sit on it. >> i got to ask you this. do you think president biden could have prevented all of this manufactured outrage by not saying out loud that his pick would be a black woman and then
nominating one any way? i say that because reagan said he wanted to nominate a woman. trump said he wanted to nominate a woman, but somehow joe biden says black woman, it's different. >> no, i don't think it would be different, because i do think that as soon as the nominee is actually selected or revealed that will still be this immediate attempt to disqualify that person. i think this was preemptive, mostly because there is an understanding that they will need to block this no, ma'amnition author confirmation is pretty low. and so the desire is to immediately attach an asterisk next to this person's name, to immediately sort of seed in the public consciousness that this person, this nominee is not qualified. and really shouldn't be there. and really shouldn't be paid attention to.
>> robin, it's always a pleasure having you. i would encourage everyone to read your piece this the post. thank you so much for joining us. we'll see you soon. be well. >> thank you. one is a daily show comedian. the other is a republican governor. why do they think they can bring the company together? jordan klepper and onkasich explain. they're next. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought
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our democracy is under threat as we learn more about the plot to overturn our free and fair elections. americans are divided in ways that we have never been, not even living in the same fact universe. more than a third of people don't even believe that joe biden is legitimate president of the united states. but my next guests are teaming up for a podcast that they hope will help people find common ground. it's called kasich and klepper, and it is hosted by cnn senior comment cater john kasich and comedian jordan klepper. thank you, gentlemen. i'm going to get how tough it is for jordan to carry you on his back for this whole podcast in a moment. but i want to start with news. thank you, both. i appreciate it. one thing that you're going to be contending with, and i'm sure as we talk about here all the time, john, is that we're not even living the same fact-based reality as a lot of people who
believe lies and misinformation about covid, educational issues, the election, on and on and on. after the 2020 election, there was some hope, i think, that this divide would somehow ease, that we would put it all back together. but it's only gotten worse. what do you think? can we hang together? can we come to a basic reality about what's truth, what's not? >> don, you know, in a lot of ways, it's gotten worse. it's more depressing. you see it in your school boards, these campaigns and these meetings that go on where you got neighbor against neighbor. there is so much emotion. people seem to be afraid. and that's why they're angry. when people are afraid, for whatever reason, whether it's economic, whether it's whether they feel safe or not when they're angry, or when they're that way, they tend to be angry. and don, it's in our communities. it's in our families. i happen to believe the only way out is for people to be able to recognize each other's humanity.
everybody deserves respect. we should never treat somebody else as an object. and don, over the years that you and i worked together, we don't disagree a lot, but i have great respect for you, and we have some good conversations, and i respect you as a person with your beliefs. and that's the way it ought to be across the board for everybody. >> jordan, i watch you all the time. i want to talk about this huge disparity on basic facts in our society, like who is the duly elected president. you're known for talking to people who don't believe these basic truths. let's listen in and then we'll discuss. >> what would you call the events of january 6? >> a wonderful, glorious event. people were excited that day. >> january 6 was the greatest day of my entire life. >> okay. >> you're obviously not a police officer. >> there was no insurrection that day. if there was any intention on our part, we would have been actually freaking armed. >> if there was intention. >> we would have been.
>> with zip ties or bear spray. what about the people who did come with zip ties, bear spray and pitchforks? >> well, those weren't arms. those are minimal defensive measures. >> okay. when you talk to these trump supporter, these folks on camera, when the cameras stop rolling, do you ever have any breakthroughs? >> boy, i wish i could say yes, but no. we tend to live in different worlds. i would say that last one i went to, i did talk to somebody who offered me a glimmer of hope. he came up to me and he said that he had been to three months' worth of stop the steal rally, and after three months, he was wiped out. he was talking to himself and a friend said he was in a cult. he told me honestly he looked up cult online, all of the signs and realize head was in a cult. i think we're reaching the point where we're having some awareness of these devices that control our thoughts.
when i asked him if he still believes the elect was stolen, he was certain that the election was stolen. i don't know if we've gotten to a point where we can change, but we're at least getting to the point where we are aware of some of the messes we're in. but we're not quite willing to get out of them yet. >> you know, john, it's really concerning to me when, you know, we're not the exact same generation, but we learned about a lot of things in school, right, about slavery, about the holocaust and what not. we're seeing this concerted effort now by the gop to whitewash history, whether it's banning books, critical race theory, whatever it is. there is a full-throated buy-in by the gop to capitalize on people's anger. is it solely about winning the gop? are they giving any thoughts to the consequences to our society? >> well, don, one of the things that's concerning me, legislatures across this country have been now passing laws. i think it was in like 38 states where they're putting some
restrictions on teachers' ability to teach history, including some of the profound things that people need to understand about race. you good too far on that, and you're getting towards something like book burns where people should know the truth. they should know the truth. and when you see states doing that, and it's probably not just limited to the republican party. it's that there are people in these states who are responding to a lot of the anger that people have out there. and i think it's -- i read this. i was -- i felt terrible about it, because that's not the way people should understand the history of our country. we have so much good. but it's also important to understand those places where we made terrible mistakes. it's very concerning to me. >> jordan, how do you think we -- how do we overcome these divisions when people are so dug into their information silos. there was a glimmer of hope, but yeah, the election is stolen. they're 100% sure.
>> i do think right now it's where people get their information. i think if you're going to a place that you know is going to tell you the things that you want the hear, you're just going to hear those things and not change your mind. so we need to fundamentally rethink the way in which we get our news, our information, and then how we reach out to people we might not understand or think differently about us. and i think that takes vulnerability. i'd like to think that americans have the ability to be vulnerable, to admit that they are maybe not perfect and that our country is broken. but as i say we have school boards right now that are trying to ban books, trying to control the narrative. and that comes from a place of invulnerability, afraid to confront some of the evils. i wish we treated gowns the same way we treat books in schools. but we don't. so it's going to start with conversations. but it's going the take a larger effort that than to let americans actually be open with the things that they don't know. >> perhaps media literacy should be a required course. john, let me get your podcast
and you can answer. let me play this quick, john, and then you can talk about it. i want to play this from the podcast. here it is. >> we're not just the r or the d next to our names. we have so much more in common than we have that divides us. particularly if we open our minds, we can all learn from one another. it seems as though more and more in the country if you don't think the way i do or you don't think the way you do, we should cancel each other out. >> to be clear, i never agreed to enter into this with an open mind. we've got talk about politics, i'm sure, but we're also going to talk about things that affect us, and i might ask for fatherly advice. how do you raise a child who won't become a republican. >> that's funny. john, i want you to continue. i just want to make sure we got the podcast in before you take up all the time and we don't get the talk about it. >> no, i don't take up any time. it's this whole division, don, it's what is so concerning. it's in our families too. families can't get along. they can't discuss things. people are cancelling each other
out. it's a debate about so many things, and not just critical race theory, but vaccines. it's everything. how we treat police. it's right down at the family level, the next-door neighbor level, and it has to stop. >> not the first pairing that came to mind, jordan. how is it talking to your dad every day, or talking to john on this podcast? how did you guys get along? >> it's a free nightmare, don. clearly, i've been out to america. talked to a lot of people i disagree with. at this point, i don't care. let me pick a name out of the hat, and i got somebody who almost became -- i was going to say almost became friends, but that's not true. i got a failed presidential candidate as my podcast partner. so be it. i'd like to show the american public that if i can do it, if i can sit and talk to a failed presidential candidate and we
can find some common ground, maybe there is hope form you. so i will take this burden on to myself for the greater good of this country. [ laughter ] >> i have to listen to this podcast. john, we're going to see you here on cnn because you're here all the time. jordan, we love having you. we're going listen to the podcast. the name of the podcast is, again, what is the name of your podcast? "kasich & klepper." you can find it anywhere where you get your podcasts. thanks, gentlemen thanks, don. a mission to have cancer death rates, slash them. president biden launching his cancer moon shot initiative. >> it's one of the reasons why quite frankly i ran for president. there can be no doubt now that i am president, this is a presidential white house priority, period.
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from 2019. so president biden wants a cancer moon shot with the gel of cutting cancer deaths in half over the next 25 years. >> i promise you, we can do this. for all those we lost, all those we miss. we can end cancer as we know it. >> in 2015, the president' oldest son beau biden died after battling brain cancer. the president and ceo of the dana farber cancer institute and a professor at harvard medical school. thank you for joining us, doctor. i really appreciate it. especially on this very important subject. you just heard the president say we can end cancer as we know it. obviously that would be incredible. is it attainable, is the question? >> i think this is great news for cancer patients, don, and their families, because more money and attention is going to be directed to research to help
find new cures. and i was so pleased with president biden's announcement that his administration is going to re-ignite the cancer moon shot. and he does have that specific charge. let's decrease the cancer death rate by 50% over the next 25 years. and that will improve the experience of our patients and their families as they go through what we all know is a very difficult time. i'm optimistic that 25 years from now cancer will be detected early. it will be treated earlier, and we'll have new cancer drugs, and that will benefit all of us no matter what our zip code. >> is it possible, doctor, to cut cancer deaths by more than 50% without flat-out curing certain types of cancer? >> i think it is. you know, most people present to dana farber with cancers that have already progressed and have spread. if you present with stage 1
cancer, we've got a very, very good chance of curing you. so we need early detection strategies. and i believe that's going to help make this effort possible over the next few years. this is a very hot topic now. and we're moving forward. we have to be able to detect cancer earlier and prevent cancer from occurring. >> the president said speaking of that, the president said that americans missed more than nine million cancer screenings in the past two years because of the pandemic. what do you think the impact -- what impact is that going to have on american health? >> well, you know, we're already seeing the impact. we're seeing more patients coming in with more advanced cancers because they didn't have the opportunity to get cancer screening with colonoscopies, mammograms, what have you. and, you know, the percentage of patients that didn't receive those important scenings was
huge. so i think we're going to have a 10% increase in deaths from cancer over the next few years. >> wow. >> i hope that's not true, but clearly the pandemic took us down a very bad road here. and it also, you know, cancer health disparities have been hugely exacerbated by the pandemic. and at dana farber, i want you to know we are absolutely committed to addressing this disparity. and we're looking forward to working with the president and his team on this effort. our own chief clinical access inequity officer at dana farber, dr. chris latham was actually in attendance at the white house event today. so we're very excited to share our experience and our knowledge with the president and his staff as they move forward with this wonderful new initiative. >> yeah. that's a positive note that we should end on. you began wit a positive note. you said you're optimistic and
you thought what the president is doing. i'm glad that some folks got to be there for it. doctor, thank you. we'll have you back. i certainly hope that it is possible. i hope your words ring true. thank you so much. . thanks, don. it's a pleasure. so he was sentenced to nearly seven years in prison for murdering a black teenager. now a former chicago police officer set to be freed after serving only half his time. us. a powerful .05% retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkles results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin.
tomorrow former chicago police officer jason van dyke is set to be released from state prison in illinois after serving just over three years. only half of his original sentence for murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. many people expressing outrage at van dyke's early release and demanding that he face federal civil rights charges. more on this story from cnn's omar jimenez. >> reporter: now it's 16 shots and an early release. former chicago police officer jason van dyke was sentenced in 2019 to nearly seven years in prison for the murder of laquan mcdonald, shooting him 16 times. >> the mcdonald family has suffered. >> reporter: he is now being released after a little more than three years, tied to good behavior in prison. >> in illinois, individuals who are sentenced to prison are eligible for by law statutory
good time. less than what i thought was appropriate. but it's an incredibly rare for a police officer in any jurisdiction, especially here in chicago to be charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for murder. and that's -- that's the message. >> reporter: but for many, the successful state prosecution isn't enough. >> i know that i have -- all the means. >> reporter: u.s. congressman bobby rush is now calling for federal civil rights charges against van dyke. >> the sentence was a slap on the wrist. justice hasn't really been served. so there is no relaxing. there is no sense of, well, let's move on because we can't move on. we can't move on. >> reporter: this moment doesn't disqualify any future. >> absolutely not. we'll fight in the future.
we'll fight right now in this very moment. for justice. >> he is not alone either. some of the family has pushed for the same, and the naacp even penned a letter to attorney general merrick garland this week asking to provide your commitment to move forward with appropriate and applicable federal charges. but not everyone agrees. >> it will set a precedent in this country for hundreds and thousands of black men that are still in prison. they could use it to reprosecute them and keep them there. >> reporter: mcdonald's great uncle feels some of invoking l laquan's name are more concerned with themselves than reforming the system. >> it's not about laquan mcdonald. the real problem in america is not jason van dyke. it's the system that jason van dyke worked for. we never asked for revenge. we asked for justice. >> reporter: the protests in 2015 centered on what was deemed
a cover-up. police initially claimed mcdonald pointed a knife at van dyke in october 2014. dash cam video released over a year later showed something different. mcdonald moving away from van dyke with his back turned before being shot 16 times. do you think you would have gotten the conviction here if not for the existence of that dash cam video? >> no. the narrative would have been dictated and controlled really by members of the chicago police department. it was horrific what happened to laquan mcdonald. >> it was a lynching. that's what you saw with laquan mcdonald. they were invoking fear. this is what you do when you get out of line. this is what you do when you do anything other than what we tell you. >> reporter: some of those same wounds are now being reopened years later as the man responsible for them walks free. after laquan had been shot 16 times, he was left to die in the middle of the street.
and there were at least a dozen members of the chicago police department who were standing there, and not a single police officer rendered aid. >> they reduced this boy to a second-class citizen by saying that no matter what happened to him and how he suffered, we're not going the take his suffering into consideration. that is not how the justice system in this country was designed to be. if you're wrong, you should pay for what you done. >> the question now is will that payment end with this sentence having been served or will there be new federal charges? a spokesperson for the department of justice acknowledged receiving the letter from the naacp along with the similar one from both of illinois's u.s. senators and says the department is currently reviewing the information. don? >> omar, thank you so much. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.
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