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tonight, a succession of blue states prepare to end mask mandates in schools and elsewhere. also the interview with the georgia prosecutor leading the oprobe on the former president's trying to turn over the election there. french and russian leaders met in moscow. president biden and his german counterpart appeared at the white house, both putting on a solid front of unity, even as questions remain about how far the germans are willing to go. at the center of this feud between the nato allies, a multibillion dollar pipeline called in order stream two, president biden was adamant an invasion would mean an end to the project. the german chancellor far more ambiguous. in a moment the preparations there. let's go first to kaitlan
collins at the white house. kaitlan, president biden was forceful, direct, in saying the pipeline would not go forward if the russians were to invade. is the administration with the the way his german counterpart kind of evaded the same question. >> i think some officials were hoping the german choancellor would be more forceful in that question. he was asked if he would call off the pipeline if russian did invade ukraine. and that would be a huge step by germany. this has been billed between germany and russia. it's been a delicate situation, gechb the biden administration waived sanctions on that. he kind of equivocated. he did not answer specifically what he would do. and that's been a frustration among some lawmaker, saying it's not just that he wouldn't say directly he would call off the pipeline. he hasn't outlined the steps.
i think you saw president biden and the chancellor making an effort today to say, yes, we are on the same page. but this raises questions about how on the same page. >> the administration walked back some of its language about an invasion of ukraine being imminent in the recent days. did president biden say where he thinks president putin's head is. >> he thinks he has the capability to do is invasion if he wants to. it doesn't seem the white house is going to intercept any intelligence showing him that. they've repeatedly said it's only really putin who knows what he's going to do here. not even his top aides know what he's going to do, they believe. what they're hoping is to continue the dialogue you've been looking at. you saw the french president. the german chancellor is going to russia in the next few weeks. it's anyone's guess. what they do know is he has the ability to do it any day now
according to the president's national security adviser, jake sullivan. >> kaitlan collins, thank you very much. from i did plo si to what things could look like on the ground if there is an invasion. cnn's melissa bell got an up close look and joins me now. melissa, what are the most worrying aspects is what's been happening on the ukrainian border with belarus. what's the latest you're able to tell us? >> reporter: john, that that buildup on the border has continued these last few days with weapons, troops, aircraft even now considerably closer to the ukrainian border. some of that manpower and weaponry now just 15 kilometers from the ukrainian border and just a couple hour's drive from the ukrainian capital where i'm speaking to you from tonight. we don't know what's in vladimir putin's mind. we don't know his intentions. but were he to invade, the latest american assessment is it would take kim just 48 hours to fold. no doubt the troops, if they
came in from the bello russian border, they would pass through a part of ukraine that's all too known to the rest of the world. through the forests of northern ukraine, it appears, the tremc chernobyl reyak tor. suddenly the apparent calm left behind by the soviet era accident is broken. ukrainian forces run drills in what remains a radiation exclusion zone free of any inhabitants. they're practicing urban combat. of course this is also an information and propaganda war. everyone waits for russian president vladimir putin to decide, even as ukraine questions an earlier u.s. assessment of just how imminent a potential invasion is. >> so, we have the same tracks but different perception or
different estimation. >> reporter: the differences on the question of intention. you don't believe they intend to invade? >> i hope that in kremlin they didn't make their decision still. >> reporter: but chernobyl is only ten miles from the border with belarus, where russia has been holding joint military exercises. these just some of the 30,000 combat troops that nato has warned on their way, welcomed with bread and salt and open arms. to the east of chernobyl lies this neutral zone between ukraine, russia, and belarus. it's known as the three sisters crossing, in memory of the time when the three countries were all soviet republics. more than 30 years on from the collapse of the soviet union, belarus is a staunch ally of russia, while ukraine fears an invasion. barely visible through the freezing mist across the boarder in belarus, a monument to the
sister nations. and at the three sisters cafe on the ukrainian side, there is more nostalgia than that past than there is worry about war. masha, a 64-year-old great grandmother works here to supplement her state pension worth the equivalent of just $77 a month, she says. >> translator: would putin go to war with civilians? he wouldn't do that. i would dissolve the parliament in kyiv, kick them out of parliament, every last one of them. they should give the people proper pension so people won't be beggars. >> reporter: the nearby village is a three-hour drive from kyiv, but feels much further. this man won't tell us his name for fear of being labelled a separatist. he, too, misses the unity of the past and certainly doesn't appreciate visits to kyiv from the likes of the british prime minister. >> translator: boris, the
uncombed, comes here only whipping the tensions up. only a fool would start a war. >> reporter: nobody will come out a winner, he says, nobody. >> now, john, the diplomatic efforts will continue here in the ukrainian capital tomorrow when the french president comes to meet with his ukrainian counterpart. now emmanuel macron speaking from moscow tonight, praised president zelenski saying, look, if anyone found themselves with 130,000 russian troops on their border, they might prove a little nervous. he has proven to be remarkably calm, john. >> melissa bell in the ukrainian capital. i thank you very much for that revealing report. perspective now from retired air force colonel, former member of the joint chiefs of staff, and former cia intelligence officer. colonel leighton, you saw melissa's report there.
getting prepared if russia does attack. what do you think an invasion could look like in your view? >> well, john, good evening. i think it would be a mess. it would be a horrible situation that one person that was interviewed by melissa kind of hit it on the head, that nobody would win in the end, a war like this. so, what you would see is instead of a full on invasion, i think it may be more likely that we have a kind of hybrid warfare that would go into effect here. so, if this were to happen, then what we would see is increase in cyber attacks. you would see an increase in special warfare activities that would include targeted assassinations coupled with actual attacks from the forces that are around ukraine right now. so, it would be a combination of all those things. and that would then serve to move forward the russians' interests and potentially allow to take kyiv very quickly.
>> we're looking at the intelligence that u.s. officials say they have on russia. they say 70% of their military capabilities are in place for a full-scale invasion. what does that tell you just in terms of the amount of resources that russia has put in place there? >> well, john, i think you have to start with what is the risk of that invasion from the standpoint of using military force to achieve putin's objectives? that will be the trigger point and what he decides to do if he deploys all those forces in ukraine, particularly from belarus. which you have to assume the objective would be to take kyiv. there are three big problems putin has to resolve in order, i think, to make that decision. one would be how does he turn a government in kyiv more like the governments in belarus and kazakhstan, from his perspective friendly governments. that's not as easy as it sounds even if he does a lightning strike and takes over kyiv. the second problem he has, if this results, as many analysts have said, in massive casualties
on both sides, what do the russian people think of that when the body bags start coming home and the tragedy of war that right now is not being addressed until people actually start dying? that could undermine putin more than any success he has. and the third point is if putin goes in, what happens afterwards? it's one thing to take kyiv and possibly even change the government. but does he plan to fight an insurgency? does he want to lead? he doesn't have a force to occupy the entirety of ukraine. this has been a problem since 2004 when russian intelligence attempted to assassination vi victor schenn coe who became the president of ukraine. and they've been trying for 17 years to make ukraine a puppet state of russia. and they haven't succeeded. i think putin understands this to some extent. but he's listening to the advice of very hard core former kgp officers in russia who will
not -- will not stop until ukraine is back to being part of russia from their perspective. >> there's a reason this region is called the blood land. president biden says russia can still deescalate here. but is that in vladimir putin's nature? >> not normally, john. very few times has he really deescalated. every time he's done something, highway has grand territory or made a huge imprint on the target country. probably the mildest attack he ever did was in 2007 against estonia and that was only a cyber attack. when he went after jor, the country of georgia, and went after crimea, that showed his true colors. and it's not in his nature to withdraw, to lose face, or to do anything that would show him to be weak. >> so, cnn has really
interesting reporting today that according to communications intercepted by u.s. intelligence, some russian officials may have doubts about the success of a large scale invasion of ukraine. what do you think that means? >> well, john, i think it means there are rational people in russia. this is by no means an easy endeavor, particularly if they go on a large scale invasion of ukraine. and in addition to the casualties the russian military will take and the uncertainty of success, they've been deployed out there for weeks and in fact months in many cases. i was an army captain in germany in the mid '70s and it's very difficult to be there literally in the cold. and especially if vladimir putin hasn't decided yet what he wants to do. that's very difficult on military commanders. it's very difficult on soldiers. and i'm not surprised there are opposition voices in russia, at least voices i've heard even some generals have expressed some reservations that this is a good idea.
so, hopefully there is still time to talk putin out of it, whether it comes from the negotiating process by the europeans and the united states or from internally in russia. >> got about 30 seconds left, colonel. emmanuel macron, helping or hurting in his five-hour discussion with putin today? >> well, john, he's trying to help. but of course there's always the risk that he's going to increase the fissures that putin could exploit. so far it's that he's helping, but there's a great danger that it could hurt nato's interest at this point. >> thank you both very much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. we have some breaking pandemic news. mask mandates in schools and elsewhere have been the subject of intense debates across the country. now multiple states run by democrats have just set timelines to end them. will more follow suit? plus the d.a. investigating trump's election interference in georgia. she is casting doubt on the argument that he can't be
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we do have breaking news. some strong indicators of the receding omicron wave in the country's move toward a new normal. one by one, five states just announced dates to end mask mandates in schools, child care centers, or end indoor machine datas entirely. new jersey, connecticut, delaware, oregon all ending their school mask mandates either this month or next. delaware and oregon will also drop their state-wide indoor mask mandates entirely soon. and cal ifornia as well. the indoor mask requirement will expire next tuesday, citing a 65% drop in cases since the peak of omicron. this sounds like great news, but of course there are risks that go along with it. could it lead to a rise in cases? let's turn to dr. tom frieden.
i understand you'd rather these states hold out a little longer. why is that? >> well, you're seeing a lot of variability here. and the best practice is to adjust mandates as per the burden of cases and hospitalizations. there is a reality that masks work, better masks work better, and mask mandates work to increase masking. vaccines remain our first line of defense, but masks are important. and there will be times -- maybe it's the height of flu season -- where people will want to wear a mask. that's not a mandate but something people may want to do. if someone is vulnerable, if you're going out and you're not feeling well, this is good practice, best practice. what we're seeing now is rapidly dropping covid infection rates followed by dropping hospitalization rates, and soon, we hope, dropping death rates. but still very high rates. in a few more weeks, they'll be much lower. so, the states saying sometime
march, mid-march, end march. that makes lite of sense. to stop them next week, california's more than twice what connect's rate is. i think you've got a problem there, but even without a mandate you've got high immunization rates. >> what about schools specifically? how concerned are you about the fact -- and we're talking about the 5-11-year range. the vaccine uptick hasn't been enormous. it's under 50% almost everywhere, well under. >> right. really these vaccines just became available for kids relatively recently. we're seeing a steady but gradual uptick. we don't yet have vaccines for the 2-5 year olds. that's likely to come within the next five weeks. i do worry about kids not only getting it but also spreading it to vulnerable family members. it is hard for kids to wear masks in schools. that's why i think it really depends on what's the rate in the community. when the rate goes below a certain threshold, then it makes sense to dial back on masking
and say, if you're vulnerable, if you're sick, if you're concerned, wear a mask, but we're not going to mandate at that level. >> the bhous hasn't released guidance on really what happens next, a transition plan for the next phase of the pandemic. how important do you think it is for them to do that sooner rather than late ser? >> i think the best practice is called a risk alert system. think of it like a weather alert system. how hard is it raining covid outside. or a fire suppression report. if you're going hiking and there's a huge risk of fires, can't go camping because you might cause a forest fire. same with covid where the virus is spreading explosively, particularly with a deadlier variant. people need to be particularly careful. where cases are decreasing or the variant is less severe, then it's possible to dial back the level of precautions that we're encouraging or mandating. >> what's the danger of not starting to relax some of the mitigation efforts?
dr. leana wen pointed out, you know, you can't be in a state of emergency always. >> right. but you can track what's happening. and the virus is adapting to people. and we need to adapt to the virus. that means we need to adjust as it's changing. with omicron being much less severe than former variants, we've changed some of the protocols. as omicron recedes, we can certainly dial back a lot of the precautions. but we need to see what comes next. we are better prepared than we've ever been for covid. more vaccines, more masks, better masks, more tracking, more testing, more genomic surveillance, more treatments. so, we're really in much better shape than we were before. but unless we're ready to roll with the punches with the next variant, we may get caught off guard. >> isn't one of the punches now though? the cases are dropping, the hospitals aren't overtaxed. if you're actually rolling with the punches, as it were, you have to react when the punches
aren't comes as fast and furious. >> absolutely. but you have to look at the numbers and you have to look at the proportion of people who are infectious who you might meet on the street or in the supermarket or at school. right now there's stuill a huge number of cases in the u.s. ten of millions of people are infectious with covid today. in another two or three weeks, it'll be dramatically lower. you're seeing cases come down very rapidly. i think for the states that have said mid-march, end-march, early-march, makes lite of sense based on what we're seeing now. for the states that still have very high case rates, you're just inviting the possible continuation of this flash flood of omicron, especially with this new variant, which is likely to take hold. it doesn't look like it's more severe, but it does look like it can spread even more readily, the so-called ba.2 variant. and it does seem to get around immunity a little better even than omicron does. so, the risk here is that you
prolong the tale, as it were, of this curve longer out. and that means more people sick, more people with long covid, more people hospitalized, and sadly more people dying. >> dr. john fredon, really aproeshiate your perspective tonight. we do have some breaking news to report. a top white house science adviser, eric lander, has resigned. this comes almost immediately after a white house investigation found he had violated workplace policies became pub lilk. a spokesperson said while the investigation found credible evidence of violations, it did not find credible evidence of gender-based discrimination. lander had worked on the pandemic, the president's cancer moon shot and issues surrounding climate change. the white house believes he will continue to make important contributions to the scientific community in the years ahead. up next, an interview with the georgia prosecutor leading the investigation into the former president's efforts to overturn the election results in her state.
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uncover whether anything criminal occurred after he narrowly lost the state to president biden. cnn's sara murray has the interview and the story. >> reporter: the atlanta area district attorney investigating donald trump said as soon as she has a special grand jury seated in may, she'll start firing off subpoenas. >> most of them will come in heavier in june and later months. >> fulton county district attorney fani willis said she isn't worried about trump working. >> are you worried that former president trump could avoid, delay, you know, what's going on with your investigation. >> why? >> what gives you that confidence? >> this is a criminal investigation. we're not playing a game. i plan to use the power of the law. we are all citizens. mr. trump, just as any other american citizen is entitled to dignity. he will be treated fairly in this jurisdiction, but i plan to
do my job. and my job is to make sure that we get the evidence that gives us the truth. i'm not concerned at all about games to delay this. >> and she casts doubt on whether trump's off views argument that he can't be prosecuted will protect him in georgia. >> i don't think that protection will prevent a prosecution if that becomes necessary in this state case. >> willis has met with trump's attorneys twice about her plans to move the investigation forward. >> for instance last calendar year i met with them and i assured them what i knew, we would not bring forth an indictment in the 2021 year. i met with them at the very end of 2021 to tell them that i would be moving forward, not necessarily with an indictment but with the next step of an investigation. >> willis launched her investigation nearly a year ago after an hour-long recording went public of trump pressing secretary of state brad raffensperger to find the votes for trump to win georgia. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780
votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> last month at her request for a special grand jury, she told the court she had reasonable probability of criminal disruptions around the 2020 election. >> i listened to that phone call, but also i have the benefit of also having talked to a lot of witnesses and probably having read more on this than most people would like to. >> reporter: she's digging into trump's actions as well as those of his allies, including former attorney rudy giuliani, former chief of staff mark meadows, and spinal cord senator lindsey graham, witnesses she may subpoena as part of her probe. >> i imagine we're going to be issues subpoenas to a lot of people and that all of them are not going to welcome our invitation to come speak with us. >> reporter: she hopes to make a charging decision by tend of 2022. we sat down with willis in an atlanta hotel, as her office was under lockdown for a possible
security threat at her office. will lus was already on high alert. >> i hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protest we have ever had in washington, d.c. n new york, in atlanta. >> after those comments, willis asked the fbi for help assessing potential security deficiencies and sharing intelligence on potential threats. >> i don't want to pretend like i didn't hear what i heard. it would be just crazy for me to not pay attention to that. so, i wanted to make sure that they were also paying attention. >> and sara murray joins us now. terrific report, sara. what did attorney willis tell you about brad raffensperger and whether he will testify? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, if there's anyone at the heart of this case other than donald trump, it is the georgia secretary of state. but fanny willis made clear she understands what it's like to be in the middle of a campaign which secretary raffensperger is in for his re-election. she said she is not going to call him in right before the gop
primary, which is going to be in may. she said his head would not be focused on her case, but she does expect to talk to him after that primary, john. >> sara murray, thank you very much. perspective in her first performance as a cnn commentator. mayor, welcome aboard. great to have you. >> nice to join you. thank you. >> so, opening investigation is one thing. bringing charges is another thing. getting a conviction a third thing entirely. do you think this investigation has any teeth? >> absolutely. the district attorney would not pursue the special grand jury if it did not have teeth. and just by way of background with fani willis, she is a seasoned prosecutor. she's not an administrator. she's not a bureaucrat. she is one of the top prosecutors in the district
attorney's office before she sought to become the district attorney. i worked with fani in three different places, including her first job out of law school. and she walked in the door fearless. so, if she is pursuing this, given her experience, given what she knows about what you need to move forward with a criminal case, i assure you there's something there. >> you know, we've played it in sara's piece right there. in a two-year period, some of the craziest politics i've ever seen. the piece of sound where donald trump says, i need you to find me 11,000 votes, as a piece of evidence, if that isn't incriminating, i'm not sure i understand what is. can you explain? go ahead. >> yeah, i was going to say, and the other part to this, you have rudy giuliani come and testify before the senate in georgia. we don't know if he gave false information. i'm pretty sure that he did --
during that testimony. at least what i heard seemed to be false information. so, you have that piece. also the call from lindsey graham to the secretary of state. and also the u.s. attorney at that time who abruptly resigned shortly after the election. and my recollection is correct, it was based on a call from someone related to this election. there are things we know and there are things we don't know, and that's what the special grand jury is about. they have up to a year to hear testimony, and they can make recommendations on whether or not criminal charges should proceed. the judge who is presiding over this special grand jury is also a former prosecutor. so, you have that piece as well, someone who obviously understands the law. he is the sitting judge but has also worked as a prosecutor. and i'm sure will be a very much
in tune with what the district attorney is presenting. >> what do you think the implications on other elections would be, again, if charges were not brought here? what message would it send about something like this being okay? >> this is extraordinary in and of itself. the fact that we had a president of the united states interfering with an election, the fact that we are looking at criminal charges against a former president of the united states. so, it is all so extraordinary, were it not true, it would be very difficult to believe that this were happening in our country. so, i think that it's important that not only fani willis here in georgia take a serious look and make a determination but also prosecutors across the country who may also have reason to believe that something was
done inappropriately to interfere with the election because our democracy is about more than one person. it's the reason we call it a democracy. and whether it be the president of the united states or anyone who is seeking to interfere with the sacred right to vote and our democracy, they must be held accountable. >> we have just a few seconds left, mayor. one of the things we heard d.a. willis say was she wasn't going to bring in the secretary of state to testify before a primary election, which in a way is saying politics is going to, you know, supersede the criminal investigation, the legal status. is that normal? >> well, i think that she is being respectful that this is election season. and i would argue that by bringing in the secretary of state in the midst of a primary, some would argue that she is seeking to tilt the election one way or the other. so, i think that it is very smart, very appropriate that she
not bring him in during the primary. let the voters have their say. and then proceed accordingly. again, the special grand jury has up to a year to make a decision, make recommendations. and so there is plenty of time without interfering with the election. and it's also not unusual for charges not to be brought even by the u.s. attorney during an election. >> former atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms, thank you very much for being with us tonight, and welcome to the cnn family. >> thank you. the controversy surrounding no knock warrants after the deadly police shooting of amir locke last week in minneapolis. now the white house considering action. the latest next.
search warrants and the controversy has reached the white house. white house press secretary jen psaki said today president biden is considering extending a policy that limits the use of no knock warrants by senior correspondents. omar jiminez joins us from minneapolis. i understand leaders of amir locke's family joined activists and community members today. what are they saying about the fatal no knock warrant by police? >> john, for starters they have a lot of support in this community that unfortunately has become too practiced at going through and dealing with these sort of police killings. the parents say that they blame not only the shooting officer but also the no knock warrant procedure that put this officer in the position in the first place. i spoke to them earlier today about what they want to see happen next. >> nothing that they can do can bring our son back. but the best thing that they can do at this point with no-knock warrants and prosecuting the
officer who decided to play god, what they can do is fire him, prosecute him, and just tell the truth. we messed up. we messed up. >> this is -- this is just sad. i -- my son is a hash tag. >> but i will say they remember him as more than that. they remember him as a talkative, curious about the world son whose smile still brings comfort to his mom, even on this side of life. and, again, moving forward, they say this is someone who embodies the meaning of his name. >> there was a lengthy city council meeting today to discuss this, and the mayor wanted to speak as well? >> reporter: yeah, john. so, the mayor was invited and no one was sure if he actually was going to accept it. and he did. and as part of it, he admitted that some of the language around his re-election campaign and no
knock warrants was a bit too casual about what their policies actually were. and that was in response to criticism that he was giving the impression that they had banned no knock warrants outright, which that was never the policy. instead, it just restricted them to higher risk situations and had to be approved by certain supervisors. and that of course extends over to the no knock warrant moratorium that the mayor instituted recently that, again, gave the impression to some that it was pausing them altogether, when it still offers the opportunity for them to happen. only now it's safe for those high risk situations, but it has to be approved by the chief of police. >> omar jiminez, thank you for being there for us. the former president is quietly making millions from a book detailing his presidency. and it just might be the most trumpy thing ever. that's next.
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as we touched on earlier, these days the former president is engulfed in controversy after controversy for role in efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. facing backlash on one end, allegedly raking in millions of dollars from a book deal he signed a few month ago, self-written "our journey together" with hot takes of political enemies and pictures, with captions. >> donald trump cashing in as only he can. with a coffee table book released in late november featuring pictures from his presidency, earning him millions, sources tell cnn. the book features captions that only trump could write and did. source familiar with the publishing of the book tells
cnn. grandiose crowd shots, important events, taking shot at his enemies with his version of their interactions. of the late senator john mccain writes quote, asking for a job for his wife, i'm smiling, didn't like him even a little bit. facebook founder mark zuckerberg. he would come to the white house and kiss my ass. thoughts of his own head of the military. general mark milley looks like he's praying and yesper, who said yes so everything. didn't know he was alive. >> impeached forever. >> and speaker nancy pelosi was not spared. she was shaking like a leaf. she's crazy. crazy nancy. dealing in buying and selling famous items for more than four
d decades. >> never seen a presidential book where he not only portrays his successes, which is okay, everybody has done it before him, but also takes shots in people in interesting and almost comedic way. in my entire career, only seen a couple of examples where a president uses that swear word in a letter or on a book, it's very scarce, you don't see it. >> trump's fans are eating it up. signed copies go for about $230 each, unsigned, $75. a source tells cnn the first 200,000 copies sold out within eight weeks, grossing $20 million in less than two months. publisher, set up by longtime republican operator and trump's oldest son, donald trump jr. president obama's memoir came out am three years after term
ended, george w. bush's decision points, almost 500 pages. but for trump, captions are all he wanted to write. and decision to keep his brand at forefront is very, well, on brand. >> how much money is this picture book of insults allegedly making the former president? >> well there, was print run of 200,000. people in publishing confirmed that. $75 for unsigned, $230 for signed, 100 bucks a book times 200,000, millions of dollars. something he can put his name on. done it for steaks, wine, bath robes and perfume. pictures are public domain, didn't have to pay for them, belong to the government archive. endeavor that quickly happened, he's pocketing a lot of cash from it. >> terrific report.
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that's it for me tonight. be back bright and early in the morning. news continues, turn over to don and "don lemon tonight." this is "don lemon tonight," we have breaking news. new revelations about the plot to overturn our free and fair election. plot that exploded into violence at united states capitol on january 6th. i've said it before, that was most visible part, right? but there was a lot more to it. tonight we've new details from the fake electors, that part of the plot. this time in wisconsin. one of the wannabe electors bragging on his podcast how super secret it all was. >> all