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door in "the situation room." i will see you tomorrow. happening now, the senate and house republican leaders at odds right now over the rnc's censure resolution that's clearly dividing the republican party. mitch mcconnell just rejected a description of january 6th as legitimate political discourse while kevin mccarthy is defending it. also, a key u.s. diplomat warns russia had its guns quote, locked and loaded, this diplomat says, for a potential invasion of ukraine. and as more states are preparing to lift their mask mand mandates, the biden administration is facing new pressure to update its guidance
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and clear up the confusion. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer and you're in "the situation room." we begin with a growing disarray among congressional republicans over the rnc's resolution calling the capitol insurrection, quote, legitimate political discourse. our congressional correspondent reports the division is clearly on display at the gop's highest levels. >> senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, pushing back tonight on the committee's commission censuring liz cheney and adam kinzinger. and describing the events of january 6th as quote, legitimate political discourse. >> we're here. we saw it happen. it was a violent insurrection. for the purpose of trying to prevent a peaceful transfer of power at a legitimately
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certified election. from one administration to the next. that's what it was. with regard to the suggestion that the rnc should be in the business of picking and choosing republicans who ought to be supported, traditionally, the view of the national party committees is that we support all members of our party regardless of their positions on some issues. >> a number of senate republicans agree. >> i just think it's not a good use of their time right now when the goal is to try to get the house and senate back to be taking on or looking back at the last election. >> i've told anyone, the minute you enter the capitol building, it was no longer discourse. it was riot. they need to be held accountable for what they did. that's not discourse. >> it could not have been a more
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inappropriate message. one to sanction two people of character as they did, but number two, to suggest that a violent attack on the seat of democracy is legitimate political discourse is so far from accurate. >> but house republican leadership would not go that far. >> everybody knows anybody who broke in and caused damage, that was not called for and those people have said from the very beginning should be in jail. what they were talking about are the six rnc members who weren't even here who were in florida that day. >> so you're supporting that resolution? >> the rnc has every right to take any action and the position that i have is that you're ultimately held accountable to voters in your district. voters who you represent. and we're going to hear the feedback and the views of voters pretty quickly here. >> still, kinzinger and cheney remain steadfast in the importance of their work on the january 6 committee and finding
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the truth behind that day. >> right now, there's just a few of us willing to tell the base voters the truth. there's a lot of people hiding in the sand because the truth is hard and it makes their life a little uncomfortable. i think we have to fight for the soul of not just the party, but the country. >> this is certainly not what republicans want to be talking about as we head into the 2022 midterms. they want to make that a referendum on the biden administration and they want to be unified with their messaging, not going against one another. so what we've heard time and time again from lawmakers here on the hill, especially here on the senate side, is that they want to be looking forward and not back. >> good point. jessica dean up on capitol hill. let's get some analysis of what's going on. joining us now, our chief political analyst, gloria borger, john kasich, and cnn political commentator, the host of smerconish, michael smerconish. gloria, we're seeing two very different sides of the republican party on display with
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these statements from leaders mcconnell and mccarthy. could this rift within the gop be any clearer than it is tonight? >> no. it's completely clear and what, excuse me, what we're seeing is a republican party now as exhibited at the rnc. it's not good enough to just say, okay, the election was rigged. now you have to say the insurrectionists were fine. it was fine. it was legitimate political discourse. and just reading between the lines with mitch mcconnell, he can not believe how stupid this was. he wants to win back the senate. he wants to get the senate back and here he's got the republican national committee taking action against two of its members. they're going to endorse people against liz cheney, her opponent, and they're going to take sides in primaries and he thinks that's stupid. he doesn't want to do that. he wants to win. and when you attack people inside the so-called big ten,
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the big ten gets a lot smaller and mitch mcconnell knows it. >> governor kasich, i want to revisit what mccarthy said about president trump in the days immediately following the january 6th insurrection. listen to this. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. except to share responsibility, quell the unrest, and ensure president-elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. >> golvernor kasich, what happened to that kevin mccarthy? >> it seems as though like somebody took him out and gave him a narrative and he just changed his mind on everything. but i really like what gloria had to say about mcconnell believing this is not only
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stupid, but i think, wolf, we've got to give mcconnell credit tonight. he said this was a violent insurrection. they were trying to stop the legitimate transfer of power. he's the, you know, next to trump, you've got to say mcconnell is the most important voice in the republican party. and we're beginning to see the cracks form. we've been talking about this for weeks. we're gobeginning to see it hapn and those people in the senate who came out and condemned this silly, ridiculous thing the rnc, maybe the rnc did that whole thing, wolf. the rnc, these local political parties, they don't matter as much we would give them credit for, but as the end of the day, mccarthy, it's not worth the power. mcconnell, give him an a plus today for what he has done. >> i don't know what the leader of the rnc was thinking, calling this legitimate political discourse. you see the video. it's all over the place. michael, one of the core issues
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here is the republican national committee's use of these words, gent legitimate political discourse to describe the insurrection. who's more in line do you believe with the majority of republican voters right now? would it be the rnc or these lawmakers like mitch mcconnell, for example, who are speaking about against it? >> i think it's the rnc. i'll give mitch mcconnell credit for consistency because at the time of the trump impeachment, he voted to acquit on constitutional grounds over the removal language, but he said then that the insurrection had occurred because wild falsehoods had been told by the most powerful person on earth because he was angry that he lost an election. so he's been saying the same thing when he's spoken consistently. kevin mccarthy has not done so. the specific answer to your question though, wolf, is take a look at abc's survey a month ago.
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seven in ten republicans believe joe biden's election was illegitimate. i would say it's those rnc members closer to their constituency than mcconnell and others who have broken ranks. >> that's disturbing. gloria, i want to get your take on a disturbing account that joyce beatty tweeted. she writes this. today, while heading to the house floor for votes, i respectfully asked my colleague, representative rogers, to put on a mask while boarding the train. he then poked my back, demanding i get on the train. when i asked him not to touch me, he responded, quote, kiss my ass. rogers has now apologized, but what does it say that this kind of interaction is taking place in the halls of congress? >> what it says is that you cannot expect the country to behave in a civilized manner when you, the office holders, do something like that. he did apologize and good for him for doing it very quickly,
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but what's so wrong when somebody says to you, please put on a mask? put on a mask. i know we're having these huge fights in this country about freedom and whether to wear a mask, et cetera, et cetera. these are people who know each other. people who serve together in the congress. they may not be best friends, but he's a senior member of the congress and how dare he speak to a colleague like that. i don't think anybody i work with would do that to me or to any of my other colleagues and it's inexcusable, but good for him for apologizing, but what is going on capitol hill? >> as part of the black caucus' response, brenda had this to say. listen to her. >> this was harassment of a woman. a black woman. and a woman in leadership. because he put his hands on her.
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he told her to kiss his part of his body. and i can tell you, being a little black girl from the east side of detroit, i would not take that standing or sitting. >> this is a perfect example, michael, of the breakdown of decorum in the congress right now, isn't it? >> well, incivility is now a fund raising magnet. i won't be surprised if rogers now fund raises on his bad behavior and things have changed even since when governor kasich was congressman kasich. the demonization of the other side of the aisle i think in part is due to the fact that they don't know one another. they don't socialize with one another. they don't have a cocktail with one another. and it's much easier to vilify someone from the other side of the aisle when you have no relationship with them. >> pretty awful what's going on right now. guys, thank you very much. there's more news we're following here. just ahead, a top u.s. diplomat now says russia has quote,
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locked and loaded its guns as nato allies try to fend off a potential invasion of ukraine. we'll have a live report coming in from kyiv right afterer the break.
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12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs. description of the standoff over ukraine. a key diplomat warned that russia has quote, locked and loaded its guns and it's pointing them at ukraine. this comes as western leaders are trying to avert a war. alex, the french president is clearly leading those diplodiplomatic
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efforts. at least right now. what's the latest? >> french president macron has really taken a krcentral role i this. he's become a moderator between the two sides. of course france is much closer in its position to the united states and we've seen macron just in the past 24 hours go from moscow to here in kyiv and on to berlin. tonight, he said alongside the german chancellor, he does see an emergence of new leads when it comes to the prospect of deescalating the situation and having russian forces pull back from the border with ukraine. he says he believes there are some concrete, practical solutions that can be found and he zeroed in on two of them. the first is how to solve the fighting in the eastern part of the country. it's been raging for eight years, ever since russia invaded ukraine in 2014. he said the conversations should
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continue over the minsk agreements that were put in place following the russia invasion. but they've never been implemented. then he talked about security cooperation and guarantees of european security and russian security between the european side and the russian side. that of course is something we've heard a lot about from russian president putin who says that nato is in fact threatening russian security. so there has been some progress. there has been some optimism from president macron. the same time, the kremlin r raining a bit on macron's parade saying they did not agree as france had said, that there would be no more military escalation. they would not adwgree to a fir date to remove their troops from belarus. those troops threatening ukraine, wolf. of course, the big now is putin
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simply biding his time? is he embracing these talks to avert a war, which a senior biden administration official told cnn could result in tens of thousands of casualties and hundreds of thousands of refugees. wolf. >> horrible situation that's unfolding right now. alex in kyiv for us. thank you very much. here in the united states, officials are indeed increasingly concerned that a russian invasion of ukraine would be a blood bath for civilians, which as many as 50,000 people killed. let's go the our chief white house correspondent. the administration is hoping diplomacy will diffuse the situation. what is the white house saying about all this tonight? >> they still don't know much, wolf. they're watching and seeing how this is playing out with the french leader taking the moves he's been taking, going from russia and ukraine today and watching this happen and the white house said they expect president biden to get an update from the french president in the coming days based on these lengthy conversations, extended
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talks he had with putin yesterday. but they're waiting to see what the outcome of this is going to be. if you look at what happened tod today, the kremlin has been undercutting some of the claims the french have been making, so i think there's still a lot of uncertainty surrounding the situation. not just the meetings that the french leader is having, but also president biden himself, hosting the german chancellor here yesterday, talking about this delicate situation that's underway. we expect biden and macron to speak soon. it would be their third conversation in recent days, but really, the white house is just watching to see what putin is saying because as they reiterated today, they don't believe he's made a decision, but they know that decision is really only up to him. >> they're absolutely right. on a very different subject, very worrisome development here in washington today, what are you learning about this bomb scare involving the second
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gentleman, vice president kamala harris' husband? >> he had to be rushed out of an event he was at. dunbar high school. he had arrived at an event honoring black history month and was only there a few moments before secret service had to rush him out of the room after a bomb threat had been called into the school. we were told by officials that happened about 2:15 p.m. at 2:18, they got the second gentleman out of there. we have gotten a statement from the secret service since then where they said at this time, there is no indication that the threat was directed toward the second gentleman and his communications director later tweeted he was home, he was safe. but certainly, of course, a very concerning event given the second gentleman was involved. >> indeed. thank you very much. coming up, more and more states are now lifting school mask mandates as the omicron surge fades, but the cdc still
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tonight, the cdc director says covid-19 cases and hospitalizations are simply too high for changes to mask guidance. dr. walen sky pushing back to clear up confusion as states are set to end their mask mandates. alexandra field has more. >> tensions in schools erupting
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at a school board meeting in illinois. outrage and confusion after a judge temporarily halted the governor's school mask mandate, leaving school districts to call their own shots. >> what we really need is we really need good criteria where by which local agencies can actually make those decisions because otherwise, you have individual parents trying to gauge whether or not they should listen to the cdc or their school board and that's a really tough decision to make. >> nationwide, the american academy of pediatrics says cases among children are still extremely high, though they are falling fast. down about 40% from the peak two weeks ago. governors in delaware, connecticut, new jersey and oregon announcing plans to end school mask mandates. >> children are highly reliant on non-verbal feedback, looking at people's faces and that's how they help, they how they develop their social and emotional intelligence skills as well as cognitive skills. >> but the white house is still encouraging masks in schools
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while issuing no clear guidance yet for when states should roll back restrictions or how to do it. >> states that are saying that sometimes march, mid march, end march, that makes a lot of sense. to stop them next week? california's rate is twice what connecticut's rate is. so i think you've got a little bit of a problem there. >> a new study of the effect on covid on kids looks at pediatric infections before omicron, find finding 6% of children who tested positive for hospitalized. with about 1% of hospitalized children losing their lives. >> the best way to protect kids is by vaccinating them if that's appropriate, then vaccinating the adults around them. >> protests around vaccine mandates and other rules now causing more ayos at the canadian u.s. border where a demonstration started by truckers last week is backing up traffic at one of the busiest crossings.
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and when it comes to getting rid of masks, the cdc director saying we just aren't quite there yet. she does point to the high number of hospitalizations and high number of average daily deaths, saying those numbers remain higher than what we have seen through other peaks throughout the pandemic. she points out it's up to states and municipalities to determine their policies, but the cdc does continue to urge the wearing of masks of kids in schools. >> thank you. let's bring in dr. wen. thanks for joining us. you heard the cdc director believes cases and hospitalizations here in the u.s. now are still too high right now to lift mask mandates. is she right? >> i understand why she and the cdc want to be cautious, but i think what governors across the country are looking for is guidance. many have laid out these arbitrary timelines in large part because they haven't
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received any type of guidance from the federal government that makes sense as to when those off ramps should be. and that's the problem. the cdc is increasingly making itself irrelevant if decisions are being made without them and people are doing their own thing. also, there is a big difference between ending mask mandates and saying they are no longer needed. ending mandates means it's not up to the government to require individuals to be masking, but people can choose to mask if they wish. >> you have two young children. would you feel comfortable with your kids going to school without masks? >> i would not. and that's because my children are under 5. they are not yet eligible to be vaccinated. however, at the point that my older son who's 4, in preschool, at the point he becomes vaccinated, i would feel comfortable with mask restrictions being lifted in school because he will be able and all of his classmates will have the opportunity to get vaccinated for that extra protection and if they so
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choose, they can still wear a mask. so i think this is the key then. we are in a very different place than we were even a couple of months ago. we are seeing cases declining. we have vaccines available widely for kids 5 and older. we know that one way masking protects the wearer very well. so our policies should adapt to the changing circumstances. >> you write in a new op-ed which i read today in "the washington post," that we should all be aware of what you call the extremes. while we navigate the next phase of the pandemic. tell us what you mean by that. >> there have been two camps all along in the pandemic. one that's pro restriction and the other that's against, but actually, there is a large third group that's growing in size. and that's the group that says there was a time and place for restrictions, but now we're at a point when these restrictions need to start getting peeled back. and i think it's listening to this group, recognizing there are pros and cons, there are
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risks and benefits to everything, including masking. especially for our youngest children. that we need to think about the potential harms to our kids of prolonged masking. at the same time, we recognize masks have their place. good health is not just about infection control in the absence of covid. it's having a thoughtful conversation that we need to get to as we move through the next phase of this pandemic. >> thank you very much. just ahead, the january 6th select committee chairman says congressman jim jordan's evasive answers about his phone conversation with donald trump on the day of the riot are, in his words, earth shaking. i'll talk to a key committee member right after the break.
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struggles to recall his conversations with then president trump on the day of the siege. listen. >> i talked to him that day. i've been clear about that. i don't recall the number of times. i'd have to go -- i -- i spoke with him that day after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i don't, i don't know that -- when those conversations happened. >> i talked to the president's -- i've talked to the president so many -- i've certainly talked to the president. >> let's discus that and more with a key member of the committee, democratic congresswoman, zoe lofgren of california. thanks for joining us. as you know, the chair of your committee is blasting congressman jordan's selective memory, but you still haven't decided, i understand, whether to go ahead and subpoena jordan. are there any consequences for this type of stone walling that seems to be going on? >> well, he should come in and talk to us. we know for a fact that he spoke with president, then president
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trump in the morning before the riot. i can't believe, it's just hard to believe that he wouldn't remember that. surely he must want to come in and tell his side of the story. i mean, you've got to understand, wolf, that when we got the information from the national archives, i mean, it's -- it shows every call made from the white house switchboard. who was called, how long did the call go on. every single person who went in to the oval office. who was there. how long did they stay. it paints a very detailed picture of the former president's activities and so we know who he talked to. including mr. jordan. he ought to come in and talk about it. >> it shows there was apparently a ten-minute phone conversation that morning. your committee had also just
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postponed depositions with some of the key figures including rudy giuliani. are those interviews ever going to happen? >> well, not all of the people that we want to see are eager to see us. we do believe they have an obligation to do so and we are vigorously pursuing it. we expect to get all the information we need to get the full picture. >> congressman adam kinzinger, he joined me here in "the situation room" last night and said he believes, and was pretty stunning to hear this, he believes a civil war in the united states in his words, is a real possibility. watch what he said when i pressed him on that. >> i do. and a year ago, i would have said no, not a chance. but i have come to realize that when we don't see each other as fellow americans, when we begin to separate into cultural identities, when we begin to
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basically give up everything we believe so we can be part of a group, then when you have leaders who come and abuse that faithfulness of that group to violent ends, we would be naive to think it's not possible. >> do you agree? >> he's a very thoughtful guy and we should listen to his words carefully. some of the scholars who look at the democracies have joined adam's warning agree we're on very thin ice here as a society. we've allowed and some in the political world have encouraged people to go into their camps and to care more about the people on their side than the country as a whole. that's a recipe for disorder. and as adam pointed out, you've got people who are armed and dangerous who could meet up and not see each other as fellow
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americans. one of the interesting things serving on this committee is that the two republicans on the committee, they're very conservative. if you put their voting record next to mine, you would see very little over, but they care about the country. they don't see me as the enemy and i don't see them as the enemy. even though we don't agree on a lot of issues. because we're committed to the american democracy. and i hope that that would be taken up by every american. we should love our country and our democracy and stand up for it. >> good point. congresswoman zoe lofgren, thanks, as usual, for joining us. it was one of candidate trump's staples during the 2016 campaign. repeated attacks on hillary clinton over missing e-mails. now we're learning president trump's own recordkeeping was shockingly reckless and possibly illegal. l let's bring in brian todd.
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>> tonight, watchdog groups, historians and others are questioning what could be missing from president trump's records while he was in office. we have new information on trump ripping up some records while he was in the white house and taking other material with him when he left. >> this is the biggest scandal since watergate. >> this from the man who would not stop slamming hillary clinton in 2016. accusing her of hiding something after she used a private server for e-mails. >> they should lock her up. likely including classified information. honestly, it's disgraceful. >> hillary clinton is guilty. >> but three former white house officials now tell cnn they saw donald trump on several occasions while he was president, rip up documents, drafts, and other materials that he'd finished reviewing or otherwise wasn't interested in, breaking the law. what he once accused clinton of. >> people who have nothing to hide don't bleach.
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don't bleach their e-mails or destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived as required under federal law. >> trump, now facing questions about whether he violated the presidential records act. critical for preserving a president's record in office. >> most fundamentally, it's not his property. it's not the property of any president or others in an administration who create these documents. these documents are the property of the united states. the property of the american people. >> the national archive says trump's representatives have told the agency they are continuing to search for additional records that should have been turned over to the archives, but which could now be missing. that's not all. cnn has learned the national archives retrieved 15 boxes from trump's mar-a-lago resident last month. boxes with documents, letters, other mementos trump took with him. things like a so-called love letter from the north korean dictator. >> i just got a great letter from kim jong-un. >> other items in those boxes
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according to the "washington post" and "new york times," a letter from former president obama to trump when trump took office. and a map trump drew on with a black sharpie to show what he said was the path of hurricane dorian to alabama in 2019. hillary clinton is now trolling trump's record kekeeping or lac there have with this link to merchandise -- her e-mails, tim neftali is concerned. >> what are we not getting back? the fact that the president had a habit and it's been documented, of tearing up records raises the question of what the go burned? shredded? those are troubling. >> contacted by cnn, a person close to trump denied that anything nefarious took place regarding the handling of documents or other materials. >> we'll stay on top of the story. thank you very much. coming up, a special cnn
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i. last august at the height of the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, a deadly terrorist attack at kabul airport killed 13 u.s. service members and at least 170 afghan civilians. a pentagon investigation into the attack released last friday says everyone died as a result of the blast, the work of a lone suicide bomber. but a four-month cnn investigation into that attack now raises serious questions,
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but that has been investigate fully. nick peyton walsh has our report which contains graphic images that may be disturbing to viewers. >> the blast tore into the crowd. >> a very high bomb blast was found, i saw a lot of hands, legs, without their bodies. >> reporter: at least 170 afghans and 13 u.s. troops died after an isis suicide truck outside kabul airport. the attack friday said everyone died in the blast. >> the single explosive device killed 113 u.s. service members, my explosive directing ball bearings to a packed crowd. >> reporter: they unearthed this brief clips of the bomber. cnn subpoenat four months investigating the incident, reviewing medical records and
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analyzing video photos and audio of the scene and spiking to over 70 witnesses, family of the dead, doctors, survivors, who insist some of the dead and wounded were shot. the analysis and testimonies raised half questions as to whether the bomb can explain all the deaths. >> i mean the soldier came directly and they started firing remember i stopped firing when they were leak this. >> reporter: cnn spoke of what they say were gunshot wounds, an italian hospital told cnn their doctors assessed quote gunshot wounds on nine victims who arrived dead in the hour after the blast. seven were shot in the head, they said. but there was no autopsy done, it was rare in afghanistan. so they assessed the appearance of the wound. an afghan military hospital, a
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doctor recorded two other victims dead due to gunshot injuries and blast injuries from the airport aattack. one afghan survivor was treated in their own walter reed hospital outside washington. he showed us his medical record asking to be anonymous for his safety. they recorded a gunshot wound to the left chest and plast injuries, too. another survivor had a bullet injury to the left side of her face, say her record from the italian hospital in kabul. >> i realize the blood is coming from my face like a water from a tap. a bullet in my face and i jump here and the blood extracted from this part of my throat. >> reporter: we spoke to a doctor who treated patients in one of the biggest hospitals in kabul. he says he pulled bullets out of four injured patients at the airport that night. he said he found gunshot wounds
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on many dead bodies, suggesting the number of people shot may be much higher. he asked me to hide his identity for his safety. >> there was two kind of injuries. people burned from the blast with lots of holes in their bodies. but with a gunshot, you see one or two holes, in the mouth, the head, in the eye and the chest. i removed bullets from four or five injured. >> reporter: u.s. military investigators insist that was not the case. >> there were absolutely no gunshot wound. we found no evidence that post-blast u.s. service members killed other u.s. service members of afghans. >> reporter: but investigators admit they did not talk to any afghan civilians. >> during the course of our investigation, we did not have an opportunity to speak with afghans on the ground. >> reporter: yet dozens of afghans assert there was deadly gunfire after the bomb hit here at abbie gate. >> we built a 3d model of the
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scene. outside the gate 45 minutes before the blast. and then just before the device detonated, it's packed and the marines are bunched up. u.s. military said the device was sophisticated and could be reasonably expected to have killed all the people. the u.s. military told cnn doctors might have mistaken wounds made by these bullet bearings for bullet wound, adding, they were-to-too similar to tell apart without study of the wound and the finding of the project president is ile which caused it, which the afghan hospitals could not do in a mass casualty event. with a doctor who said he pulled bullets out of four patients disagreed. >> according to my 15 years of surgery in afghanistan, bullet injuries are very different. when a ball bearing enters the body, it makes a big hole. different from a chard bullet. when a bullet enters, it makes a
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small hole with a specific border and when it leaves, it makes a big hole. >> reporter: other staff at his hospital told cnn they, too, have seen bullet wounds. there is no dispute, there was some shooting. some in this video, three minutes after the blast, you can hear gunshots but not spee who is shooting. there is chaos and fear. u.s. marines are likely tending to injured near the gate. children are being carried away. some crouch for cover. u.s. military investigators released drone video they said started just after this. it is patchy, but they say their analysis of the footage showed nobody running away and pan ib from gunfire or any evidence of shooting. the u.s. and uk military said there were three busts of
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gunfire after the plast. they noticed a suspicious military-age man after the canal soon after the blast, u.s. investigators said, they fired four warning shots. a uk defense official told cnn their troops on top of a tower, five warning shots at about the same time to prevent at crowd surge. u.s. investigators said the british 35 to 45 round over the crowd from two positions. another marine team fired again. this time at a male on a roof armed they said with an ak-47. investigators couldn't say how many rounds they shot. the u.s. and british military say all the shots were fired over the crowded canal but did not hit anyone. it's important to remember that none of the dozens of eyewitnesses we've spoken to have recalled seeing any other gunman, be it isis or taliban in that scene in the aftermath. doubt of the pentagon story also emerged from afghan survivors. they also recall troops opening
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fire but say civilians were hit. mosul was there with her sister in the trench, 3 meters from the blast, she said. >> i heard, from, it was fired into my hand. i just put it under other dead people. >> you saw the soldiers on the wall of the trench shooting down into the trench? >> yes. they were shooting in the trench. >> when the shooting started, did she see it or hear it? >> yes, i saw a soldier, exactly. some came to save their own colleagues. others stood there and fired directly toward people. >> reporter: her uncle said he was also in the trench, hit in the head by the blast and tried to flee with his cousin. >> i told to my cousin, run, we need to go with, i tried to go climb out from the tunnel, i succeeded but i think my cousin is killed.
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the soldier came directly and they start firing. >> when did you find out that he was dead? >> in the morning time. when i come, my family, they said, is he okay? they said, he is murdered. >> and how was his body? what was the injuries? >> shooting, two bullets, one hit in this side and taken out from this side. and another one on shoulder. >> reporter: a total of 19 survivors cnn has interviewed said they saw people shot, or shot themselves. the u.s. military said the witnesses we spoke toed a quote jumbled memories from a concussive event and are doing their best to piece together what their brain is likely to remember, clearly, the volume of testimony from afghan survives,
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though, does present questions as to how so many witnesses could make such similar claims. cnn hired a forensic blast analyst to see what they can tell us about the bomb. >> there was nothing, the concrete infrastructure in this area, that has been damaged significantly by a big blast. i do not think that was big enough to kill 180 people at all. >> reporter: other experts agree, saying the become could have killed all those people, but there are enduring questions from the survivors of the blast. for them, the pentagon's narrative is disputed by memories that haunt them. now, if i spent three-and-a-half hours at the pentagon listen to their events, many e-mails exchanged, there is an extraordinarily difference between what they say happened and the u.s. admit they did not speak to afghan civilians who were there, who survived the blast. their conclusions are based upon what u.s. personnel told them. the question is do they
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investigate further or are they satisfied with the virtual events given to them by their own personnel at the scene? for afghans, there are demands for answers, certainly and a horror that they recall that is so different from the pentagon narrative. >> we will stay on top of this excellent reporting, nick peyton walsh, thank you so much, for our viewers, thanks for watching. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >> outside the u.s. ambassador warns russia has its weapons locked and load and ukraine is in the crosshairs when it comes to the entire region is now bracing for potential war. plus senate minority leader calls january 6th, a violent insurrection. other top republicans still today cannot bring themselves to agree. why? and an american born skier wins gold for china and tonight takes on those criticizing her for switching her patriotic allegiance.


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