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berman reporting from lviv in western ukraine. >> good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow in new york. in moments president zelenskyy will address the french government, his final push ahead of tomorrow's virtual address to nato leaders. right now president biden is on his way to brussels to meet with our nato allies hoping to rattle the west in a pivotal moment for ukraine. >> on the ground in ukraine, russian forces striking homes and a shopping mall in lviv. we have video showing damage in that city. fierce resistance coming face to face with russian forces in this heated gun battle. we also obtained these new images this morning. sheer devastation in mariupol. russia has now commandeered buses that were supposed to be used to evacuate residents from that city. phil black live with me in lviv.
the news around the city seems to be these ukranian forces seeming to make progress. >> in the west, there's been intense fighting since the early days of the war. yesterday we were seeing video from the local police chief who was able to revisit that area again because ukraine has reclaimed it, they've gained control, they've taken that territory back from russia. it's completely devastated. it's still under bombardment. west of kyiv in irpin, there was real pressure in the early days. that was humanitarian exodus in there. they're back working in that region and the ukranian forces are back in control of about 80% of it. all of this is encouraging in that sense, because what it means, at the very least, it slows russia's attempts to surround the capitol. switching to mariupol, that
southern city that is under siege, under bombardment, has been for weeks, we do have these aerial pictures that show a lifeless city, or at least that section of it. it matches what we're seeing from satellite as well, utter devastation. these are residential areas that have been blown apart, and there are still hundreds of thousands of people trapped there. you can't see them on the streets, but they come out when they can, otherwise they are huddling in their buildings. there is an effort try to get people out through a humanitarian corridor, through russian territory into ukranian territory. no buses have been allowed in. when they tried to get in today, they were stopped and taken away at a russian checkpoint. >> taken away by bus so people can't escape. phil black, thank you so much for that. president biden's trip to brussels is one of the highest stakes trips in recent memory, a moment for the president to
resume leadership of a high wew west. so far high pressure sanctions haven't stopped vladimir putin, and more sanctions are expected. >> kaitlan collins and cnn reporter natasha join us. kaitlan, let's start with you. beyond these new sanctions, what else is the u.s. expected to say, the president and the white house expected to say about the possibility of sending more u.s. troops to nato posts? >> we are expecting some kind of announcement on that, poppy. it's not clear yet what that's going to look like. it doesn't seem like it's been finalized. likely that will happen once president biden is here on the ground speaking with these nato allies about this. but we do believe nato is going to increase its force posture. likely that would mean the united states doing so as well. we've seen him do that over the last several weeks since this invasion started on the eastern flank, with a lot of those countries that are nato allies that are very close to ukraine, very close to russia as well,
given the obvious concerns they have because of this invasion and how that has happened. so this is something that's likely to come out of this full day of meetings that president biden is going to have while he's here on the ground in brussels. of course, new sanctions are coming as well according to hundreds of russian lawmakers, something president zelenskyy has called for. but one aspect the national security advisers are saying to look out for, they're starting to crack down on the sanctions they put in place, to make sure nobody can weaken them or undermine them. this will be part of the announcement you hear from president biden after his full day of meetings here. but whether or not there are any spr surprises or any kind of agreement or if there is a push by nato allies while president biden is on the ground here for things like the no-fly zone that president zelenskyy has called for repeatedly, even though the pentagon and president biden have made clear they don't see that as an option. is there a push to get more
fighter jets to ukraine? that's something president zelenskyy has also talked about that's needed. those are just some of the things they will talk about with president biden as ease on the scene with nato allies. this is something, poppy, that isn't planned in days, typically it's something that would take months. while president biden is on his way, we did find out that the first deliveries of that $800 million in new military aid president biden is said to be sending to ukraine has started to arrive in ukraine. two days ago, they started shipments but not the deliveries themselves. now we're told they have. >> natasha, you're in brussels. what are you hearing from nato secretary stoltenberg about these meetings? >> reporter: he actually laid out quite a bit of things he expects the nato alliance to agree to tomorrow, chief among
them a major increase in forces along na eastern flank of nato. he says he believes the alliance will agree to send more troops to that eastern flank of countries who, as kaitlan said, are feeling very threatened and very vulnerable right now due to russia's aggression because they are so close to that front line investing more on those defenses, because obviously it will cost a lot more, and he also said china will be on the agenda. they will be discussing china's role in potentially helping russia with ukraine, sending financial support. stoltenberg said he is very concerned that china could actually do that. when i asked him whether this issue of red lines would come up tomorrow during the summit, this question of what nato would do if russia did cross certain lines, including the use of
destruction, chemical weapons, for example, he did not say. what he did say, any use of chemical weapons would totally change the nature of the conflict and have far-reaching consequences. he emphasized far-reaching consequences. he would not say what those would be or if nato would actually intervene. clearly we're hearing an uptick from nato and u.s. officials becoming increasingly concerned that they could employ some use of weapons here. they also said they could send additional help to ukraine that would include equipment that would protect them against potential biological, radio logical and nuclear attacks, john. >> that is interesting. natasha bertrand in brussels, kaitlan collins, thank you very much. president of these meetings, good to see you.
what could these meetings potentially change or influence the situation here in ukraine? >> talk of further sanctions, really, as well as talk of more american troops on the ground and deployments right up against russia's borders. there is a big debate. the polish government, the baltic states, would like to see an end to russia energy export into europe now. the europeans are trying to get away from russian energy as quickly as possible, but they are not there yet. and, you know, the pressure is going to be on, because fund me fundamentally, it's european dollars, european euros paying the russian government in support of the war effort. that's the reality and it's kind of per verse, but as of now, that's where we are. >> that's such an important and clear way to put it, ian. and when i asked ned price at the state department last hour about suggestions from, you know, some of the senate to
completely cut off the russian financial system by basically sanctioning any country that does any business with them, buying any energy from them, he pointed to the reality which is we have different energy needs from russia than europe does. short of that, what would actually really change putin's aggressive aggression, really change his behavior? >> i want to be clear that no one believes that even cutting off gas, oil and coal from europe would actually change russian behavior. i mean, when you're calling the president of russia, with good reason, a war criminal, you're kind of beyond the pale of thinking that sanctions are suddenly going to change his behavior. but the fact is that american and european support for ukraine, in addition to the courageous fighting of ukrainians on the ground, that changed the reality on the ground. we can now say four weeks into this horrible conflict that the ukranian government is likely to be able to hold onto kyiv.
russia won't be able to take it with their present troop forces, and putin has not yet ordered a general mobilization, so it doesn't look like he's gearing up to try to take it. he can destroy kyiv if he wants to like he did aleppo, like he did groznia and chechnia. what the hell is the world going to look like after we finally come to a freeze in this conflict? biden is saying we need a new world order that the united states is going to lead. the chinese clearly up for that. if putin is still in power, and i suspect he will be, he's going to be incredibly angry, still with a big military and seeing the ukrainians and nato and a whole bunch of non-nato states in between like finland and sweden, for example, as enemies.
and how are we going to deal with that and what kind of confrontation will be the next shoe to drop against putin's russia? those are the questions that increasingly need to be discussed in the nato summit, the emergency nato summit that biden quite rightly called for brussels this week. >> such a great question, ian. everything that's happening here around me, it's so alarming, i think people are losing sight of the what's next question, because it's almost unimaginable, at least based on how we've all lived the last 71 years. everyone is looking for signs of dissent in russia. we got word a while ago that i guess the senior-most official we have seen so far has left the government. this would be a senior environmental official there. what to make of that? >> that was anatoli chubias and
he was important in schemes back in the '90s when russia was so important after the soviet collapsed. e he's the climate envoy. doesn't have quite as much influence in russia given their lack of interest in that area. but he's in turkey, because when you oppose putin, staying in russia probably not a great idea. it would be meaningful if this was a member of the security council, that group of men that putin turned to the day before the invasion asking all of them, you support the invasion, right? tell me what you think about the invasion. that would be more meaningful. that's not where we are. it's obviously a welcome sign that any senior member of the putin administration would resign on the basis of conscience in opposition to the
ukranian war. but let's keep in mind that the russians control their information and also that the vast majority of russians believe that the reason russia is in such difficult shape is because they've been humiliated by the west. and putin is the guy. even if they don't like the war, that is fighting for russia against the west. he's fighting against nato, he's fighting against ukraine, and that continues to give him some 70% approval ratings across russia. we shouldn't expect that to change even as the russian economy implodes in the near term. >> ian bremmer, thank you so much. we always really appreciate your time. thanks again. >> be safe, john. >> yes, be safe, john, and all our teams over there. this just in to cnn, we just learned that cnn in moscow was given access to basketball star
bri br br bri brittney griner. >> in the last couple hours, we were granted access to brittney griner. we will continue to work with her legal team. we found griner to be in good condition and we will do everything we can to see that she is treated fairly throughout this ordeal. >> an important update on her status. we'll continue to monitor and bring you any updates as we get them. we're also following the final day of hearings for supreme court justice nominee ketanji brown jackson. her hearing is going on in capitol hill right now. the president of georgia knows all too well about confronting russia's aggression.
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leader who will be closely watching the negotiations is the president of georgia. her country has faced the type of aggression we're now seeing in ukraine, and now ukraine is asking for an expedited entry into the european union. the president of georgia joins me now. thank you so much for being with us, madam president. as these nato leaders prepare to meet, and based on everything you personally have lived through and based on what's happening here in ukraine, what does the world need to know about vladimir putin? >> right now the world knows everything they have to know about vladimir putin. if they didn't know before, they didn't understand it during the 2008 war in georgia, whether they didn't understand during the crimean invasion. but now i think everybody now has realized that there is this
instinct to expansion, this demand from russia that is not going to get anywhere, unless it comes from the bilateral nation. i think putin has resistance to this invasion and i think the west is also seeing that, and the west by now knows he is united and that's also a very important sign, a signal to russia that it can no longer just invade a country and see no reaction. >> the key, you think, is to confront him with strength? >> it's showing that it doesn't go unanswered. the answer doesn't have to be necessarily by force, the answer
has been given by this unity of the west which is very important. europe has never been as united, ah united with sanctions, united with the united states. nato, i think, is a demonstration of this unity in the first place, and that is very important. because that's what russia would be watching. russia has been seeing the unity of the ukrainians, and it has also seen that it cannot devalue ukraine, neither between the east or the west, and neither by aggressions. and that is what we see with uekraine along with other un
unities. >> you personally had to negotiate with the russians. what did you learn about negotiating with the russians? >> it was a different time, but still, the negotiations, you have to be firm, knowing where are your red lines and knowing what it is to come from. we wanted the russian invasion out of the country, and that is the result that we got. i must say i think it's an exception because it's never been repeated anywhere. i'm not sure that russia today is ready to repeat that type of
negotiation. >> one of the things that i hear from almost every ukranian that i speak with is they say if putin wins here in ukraine, he will not stop in ukraine. do you agree with that, and do you personally fear for georgia if putin is successful here in ukraine? >> well, i think that at large it's true, and that's why it's important. i think russia lost a lot with ukraine, and that's something the ukrainians have won by themselves, because russia has not shown that it is all powerful, it has not shown that it can overcome ukrainians in a matter of days, it has not shown that its military is so strong.
but i think it's important that this unity remains, the unity of the ukrainians, the support of the outside world dissensions, and what russia probably expects is the sanctions be not lost. and i think that this time this would be true. and whether georgia will be the next one. that's a very difficult question. i hope not, we have been the first one, so i hope it's not going to be repeated, but nobody can be sure of what would be the reaction in the case of a defeat and nobody can know what the reaction will be with a half result, half victory. we are there, we are very close.
we have forces in those occupied places. of course it's very important. georgia and mull dove moldova i on ukraine because that's where things would be happening, but at the same time, and i hope this will be the case during the nato summit, i hope it's the case in the eu negotiations on t the meetings, and that is my purpose and judge -- why georgia
is on my mind. >> thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you. happening today, judge ketanji brown jackson is facing her second and final round of questions from senators. this after a contentious day of questions yesterday on the hill. we'll be watching, next. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva a plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performrmance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger.
welcome back. nominee ketanji brown jackson is facing another round of questions. jackson, who could be the first african-american judge appointed to the supreme court, has answered many questions on free speech, on the size of the supreme court, also on her family's dedication to the rule of law. there were questions about critical race theory, questions about how she defines a woman. there were off-topic questions she had to field yesterday as well as on-topic questions. rbg, thank you very much for being here. i love the piece you recently wrote about looking at her in this also diverse category of the first ever public defender who would sit on this court.
you talk about her and a resume that would make her one of the most qualified people ever to join the high court, but you also say, and this is what is strike to go me, that her nomination would be, quote, politically unthinkable just a few years ago. why and what changed? >> well, poppy, i think we saw the reason that it would be politically challenging in many of the questions yesterday. so you have, for example, tom cotton, john cornyn and others bringing up some of her criminal defense work as a way to portray ketanji brown jackson as soft on crime. some of it was at the sentencing level, that she was a district court judge, where as a trial court judge you really have to get into the nitty-gritty of the facts and you're calling on a number of different cases. particularly when it comes to her writing a brief on
guantanamo when the law was really unsettled as to what constitutional rules applied, she was accused of calling bush and rumstead war criminals because of comments made in these briefs. she was accused of being soft on crime, something many people saw as a racial dog whistle. so although it does seem like if the democrats can hang together, get maybe one or two republican votes, she will be confirmed. the process is really grueling, and in part being a public defender, although everybody likes to say that they support the constitutional right to cou counsel, that everybody deserves a pharoafair offense, they also to target her or blame her for action she chose with her clients. >> and there is a unanimous decision from the court that she
deserves this. i know this won't change the balance of 6-3, but i wonder if you agree with something written this month, she may not change the court, but she may very well change the conversation. she talks about how thurgood marshall, in her opinion, was able to influence former justice sandra day o'connor and if it's something we'll see in her time. >> sandra day o'connor and judge ginsberg did find common ground in cases that came to women's rights. ruth bader ginsburg told me she
managed to change their minds about searching a teenage girl and how invasive that would be. it does seem to matter every day the supreme court are dealing with questions on gender and racial justice, what are the proper remedies for these issues, so to have someone in the room that are not theoretical, yes, it could overturn roe v. wade, it won't be the last time the court considers abortion. lots of times these abortion restrictions are made to protect black women and black babies. so to have somebody being rhetorically addressed who can then in the room say, here's the facts, here's some lived experience in addition to their deep legal experiences i think makes a big difference. >> irin carmon, it was great to
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crisis due to the russian invasion. on the eastern edge right now, more than half of the 3 million refugees that have fled ukraine have migrated to poland. over 2 million in poland now. melissa is on the ukranian border. melissa? >> reporter: here on the border of ukraine, it is ukrainians refugees arriving day and night seeking refuge. 2.1 million people overnight have crossed over that border with ngos stepping into the breach in those early days, but now more calls for a greater, more coordinated response on the part of the european union. there is a warning if that doesn't happen, then these fragile populations of refugees, and we're talking about women and children for the most part, will be in danger. that will be at the heart of the discussions when president biden gets to europe and meets with leaders in brussels on thursday. they will also be at the heart
of his discussions with the polish president when they meet in warsaw here in poland on friday. how best to help those refugees and how to put an end to what's been going on across the border in ukraine, poppy. >> melissa bell reporting in poland, thank you very much. organizations around the world have traveled to ukraine and to neighboring countries to help with humanitarian efforts. one of the groups there right over the border in poland helping a lot with this crisis as the american jewish committee. they've also launched an emergency fund to provide relief to ukranian refugees. i'm happy to have the director of the american jewish committee. thank you very much. melissa was just reporting from warsaw. that's where you join us from this morning. 2 million-plus refugees now in poland. can you describe the situation where you are and the most need at this moment?
>> good morning, poppy, thank you for having me. the situation is we're having a steady flow of refugees, people crossing the border. the ajc team visited two border crossings last week and the refugee reception centers. basically what you see is human faces. there is nothing spectacular about that. you see faces of people who need basic help, and the first thing they get is a warm meal, and you can get approached by somebody asking if you could get them a lift to warsaw or some other city where they have family. many do have families in poland. the first reaction is these very basic things. first we went there with supplies and hygiene products.
we're continuing that. there is a crisis management team coordinated by jewish organizations in warsaw. ajc has established this fund and so far we've raised 1.7 u.s. million dollars. >> what was remarkable, i was listening to a top official from poland this weekend with jake tapper talking about not only are these refugees welcome to poland, they are given identification, the ability to set up small businesses, for example, and to really sort of restart their lives in many ways. and i wonder what those refugees are saying to your team on the ground. do they expect to stay? do they feel like they have lost their home in ukraine
potentially for good? >> out of the 2.2 million refugees that have crossed the border into poland, some 500,000 have already left poland for some other countries. in most cases germany. spain, a lot of people are traveling to estonia and finland where they also have families. what they are telling us is we are finally in a safe place. poland across the border is the first place that they feel they are safe. some are getting help from local government institutions, from ngos and individuals, those thousands of brave volunteers. of course, after the first day or two, they start thinking about, okay, what's next. should they stay here or continue westward, or should they think about continuing my
life in poland and thinking about going back to ukraine when the war is over. there are a million scenarios, and different on a case-by-case basis. >> sebastian, poland compared nazi forces to russia, and now we're seeing these stark aerial images of mariupol. it looked like warsaw in 1944 after the germans bombed houses and killed civilians with no mercy at all. i know you sent a letter to president biden earlier this month saying please consider additional steps to support ukraine's struggle to defend itself. we hear the white house is going to announce additional sanctions on russia today and tomorrow. i wonder what you believe is most necessary from the u.s. right now.
>> it's actually a strengthening of the sanctions and making sure that these sanctions are all-compensating. we need also those sanctions to target russian energy sources and the trade with russia. the u.s. has been doing a lot. with europe it's a bit different and more difficult because european countries, a member of the european union, quite a number of them rely upon energy supplies, gas and fuel from russia. so it's hard to imagine this will happen overnight, that europe will apply hard sanctions against russia. definitely energy is one of those areas where we have to be tough. the west has to be tough. if that does not happen, russia
will continue getting funds on a daily basis. it's hundreds of millions of dollars, and of course that supports their military effort. >> sebastian rejak, thank you for your time and thank you for what your team is doing on the ground. we'll be right back. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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the ukranian band has turned their band into a rallying war cry for ukraine. ♪ >> that's baton, which is ukranian for concrete. their song "kyiv calling" has turned a defiant anthem across the country during russia's invasion. the band told our john berman that is not exactly anger coming through their lyrics, it's more than that. listen. >> it's not so anger, it's rather a nerve. we are nervous about our families. we are nervous about people all around us. we are shouting this song. really, we're not only singing but we are shouting this song. we are screaming this song.
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