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house. it was very scary. when i came out of the basement into the street, all the houses were on fire. black smoke everywhere. all houses, all glass, it was simply gone. i drew this for myself for the future so that later i could see what i experienced. >> her family sheltered in their basement. this one you see here with no electricity, no heat, no water supply. they have since escaped to poland. for more information about how you can help humanitarian efforts in ukraine, just logon to cnn.com/impact. cnn audiences have already donated more than $7 million. good evening, i'm erica hill in new york. pamela brown has the night off.
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you're in the cnn newsroom. on this saturday night there are major signs of a shift in russia's war against ukraine. ukraine's deputy defense minister said kyiv is liberated from the invader. while cnn is not able to verify that the ukrainian military is gaining control of suburbs around the capital and seeing tonight this, ex-prisoners of war newly freed. 86 ukrainian service members including 15 women released this a prisoner swap. some sharing horror stories about their time and their treatment in russian captivity. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: at first they took us very aggressive and made us shout glory to russia and whoever didn't want to do this they used physical measures. >> they hit me in the face with machine gun butts and kicked me. my front teeth were also chipped. >> for whatever setbacks the russians are suffering tonight
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vladimir putin appears to be resetting the goals of his invasion moving those goalposts. u.s. officials telling cnn it's a revised strategy which is now focused on taking control of the donbas and other regions in the east. and putin may want them in control by may 9th. why may 9th? it's a key holiday from russian known as victory day and commemorates the nazis surrendering in world war ii. the newest pictures and sounds we have for you still prove that the nation remains under siege. take a look. gunfire and explosions aimed at peaceful protesters today. not far from the nuclear power plant, the one russians attacked a month ago. we have another view for you of the apparent flash bang rounds and automatic weapons being used today. four people were injured.
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the russians also reportedly used prison buses to round up demonstrators. more developments to tell you about tonight in ukraine. a member of ukraine's negotiating team in talks with russia says that the russian side is responding positively to ukrainian positions on a number of issues and that it could lead to the possibility of, quote, direct consultations between president zelenskyy and putin. we're going to take a closer look at that and what it can mean in a few moments. the international red cross is on the ground in europe but still unable to get into mariupol. for the moment the red cross says conditions made it impossible to proceed. and pope francis says a trip to ukraine is on the table. he didn't offer details but he did leave open the possibility after being questioned by reporters while traveling to malta today. our correspondents are covering the situation across ukraine. phil black in lviv with the
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newest information on that russian troop presence. phil. >> reporter: erica, president zelenskyy says russian forces are leaving the north of the country. in some cases he says they are withdrawing voluntarily from other areas, they had been expelled by ukrainian counterattacks. you see it near the capital. satellite images show there are positions that russia held very early on in the invasion in which they fought to hold as they sought to surround the capital which are now abandoned. notably the antonov airfield. further north, the ukrainian flag flies again over the chernobyl nuclear power plant after russian forces suddenly departed that site and the surround area. but none of this is any cause for celebration here because the ukrainian government believes all of those forces will simply replenish and then likely rejoin the fight in the east of the
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country as russia seeks to expand and consolidate control over the donbas region. another adviser to president zelenskyy says if russia develops a strong foothold in the east and the south, it will likely consolidate those positions, dig in, fortify and will be very difficult to dislodge unless western allies supply heavier weapons to the ukrainian military. erica. >> phil black with the latest for us from lviv. thank you. turning our attention to odesa in the south there where ed lavendera has been for the last few days. a moment ago we were talking about just how difficult it's been for the international red cross to get to mariupol to bring aid in there and we do have these reports of some people being able to escape the city. what are -- what is your understanding of the situation now and what was able to be done today? >> reporter: well, the international red cross is
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saying that they have tried once again to reach mariupol and have been unsuccessful. this has been going on now for several days. promises of humanitarian corridors being opened up but never really coming to fruition, but you're right about 1200 people were able to evacuate the city of mariupol but they did so by driving their own vehicles to get away. you know, very dangerous situation. that has proven to be for these people as well as for countless others who have been attacked in those very same kind of situations over recent weeks, so the humanitarian crisis there just gets -- becomes worse and worse and worse as the days go by and it's even hard to imagine how we can possibly continue saying that. some officials have said they're running out of an tiffs to describe how bad the situation there is in mariupol and, you know, 1200 is a decent number but consider the fact that there
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are still about 100,000 people that need to be evacuated from that city, so it's just a desperate situation, erica. >> it absolutely is. meantime, where you are in odesa there were russian missile strikes yesterday. what was it like today and what can you tell us about friday's attack? >> reporter: it was quiet today. no air raid sirens. we haven't really gotten a lot of clarity on exactly what the target of these missile strikes, there were three missiles fired a little over 24 hours ago here at the odesa region in southern ukraine. military officials have been -- have released very little information so we haven't gotten any indication that any kind of civilian targets were struck, in fact, one military official said that the three missiles that were fired from the crimeaen peninsula did not hit their intended targets but beyond that we don't have a sense of what it was that the russian forces were going after with this -- with
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this missile strike and what the repercussions have been on the ground. very little information on that front. >> all right, ed lavendera, stay safe, my friend. thank you. i want to bring in now the u.s. ambassador. he was the u.s. ambassador to nato under president obama. mr. ambassador, good to have you with us. late this week there seemed to be some optimism that was coming out of these talks in istanbul until friday when there was an attack on an oil refinery in russia. russia blamed that on ukraine, said it would hurt efforts for diplomacy. ukraine in a statement wouldn't confirm or deny involvement in the attack. what's interesting, though, is then today we heard from one of the ukrainian negotiators who sounded pretty positive noting there had been some advances, perhaps there was even a chance for direct talks between zelenskyy and putin. what do you read into this and what do you think is going on at those talks and how much optimism do you have?
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>> i think what we're seeing is just a continuation of the warfare and other means using statements about making progress on peace negotiations coming particularly from the ukrainians who want to make sure that if there is no progress, it's the russians who are tore perioding it. after the istanbul talk, the turks are positive, but within the day the russians were again saying not a lot of progress is being made. not much happening then, of course, the attack on the oil facility which is an important military target for the ukrainians to hit on russian territory, led the russians to say if you fight us on our soil we won't talk, unfortunately, the russians have been fighting on ukrainian soil for the better part of six weeks. so i think what we're seeing is, you know, shadow boxing in some
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ways but i don't really think we're anywhere close to having a real negotiation or a real agreement. >> u.s. officials and cnn learned based on intelligence intercepts the thinking earlier this week too in light of what we were learning about the miggs information that vladimir putin was being given, how terribly we know we can see how things are going on the ground there, that there would perhaps be an effort to shift focus to somehow save face. now that's coming to light in these intel intercepts we're learning about from u.s. officials that putin wants to be able to point to a, quote, victory in eastern ukraine in early may that would coincide, of course, with that victory day in russia. by shifting this goalpost what does that effectively change beyond the messaging? >> well, i mean, the goalposts if they are shifted and it looks like the military forces are also starting to concentrate
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particularly in the east as well as parts of the south, that's a big shift. it means that they're giving up the idea of taking kyiv and changing the government. after all, that was and has always been the real purpose here. there's really no interest in russia to have a part of ukraine in the far east, what they really want is to control the future of ukraine's destinies, decisions with regard to its own foreign policy and it was hoping to do that with military force very, very quickly. if they now retreat and basically settle for what frankly the russians almost achieved back in 2014 when they annexed crimea and formed a separatist movement inside the donbas region, if that's all they end up with with 15, perhaps 20 even more thousand deaths on the russian side, it's going to be very hard for
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vladimir putin to sell that as anything like the great victory that may 9th is supposed to celebrate. he really is in a box and it's one of his own creation. >> how concerning is that box? how concerning is it to have vladimir putin backed into a corner? >> well, it is and only a week or so ago people in brussels were thinking about escalation and we do have to worry about the fact that he is in some ways regrouping rather than giving in. he's not turning tail. he's taking his forces away from kyiv. he's not achieving some key objectives, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have a lot of very, very dangerous arrows still that he can shoot off, one of which is, of course, using chemical weapons or even nuclear weapons. that remains a real issue. it remains something we need to be concentrating on and need to remember that even if this was a good week for ukrainian forces,
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the russians are strong, they have real capabilities. this is going to take quite a while of really brutal fighting and perhaps even some serious escalation. we all got to be prepared for that. >> and ukraine warning, right, that there are difficult days ahead in the southern and eastern parts of the country. president zelenskyy continued his push, his global appeals this week and he has as we saw here in the u.s. as we've seen in every country he's spoken to, right, he's tailoring that message. in the u.s. he invoked pearl harbor and 9/11. as we watch him continue to speak out, to continue to plead for more help, this is further evidence, i think of this information campaign that ukraine is waging. you mentioned the way that they're also talking about these discussions in turkey, that's an important part of this information campaign. do you think at this point it's having a tangible impact five weeks in? >> you know, i think it does. i think zelenskyy in particular, of course, he's been able to rally his own people with his
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nightly video conferences that he has and television addresses. but he's also really, frankly, asked a lot from the western world and we're all sitting there and saying, okay, what more can we do and it's working. we are now latest reports are that the united states is helping to send soviet era tanks into ukraine. we are upping our own capabilities that we're shipping in. we announced yesterday another $300 million worth of equipment. that brings it to $1.65 billion of u.s. equipment being shipped into ukraine since the start of the war. the brits are doing it. the french are doing it. the germans are doing it. we're providing significant intelligence capability, not least because zelenskyy has been very, very effective in pointing out that we're on the front line of freedom. we're fighting for all of you and if you're not going to be here in person, please give us
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the equipment to do the fighting for ourselves. >> ambassador ivo daalder, thanks for the time to join us. ukrainian women crossing the border into poland in time to give birth. they'll share their stories and where they're at right now. plus, with rents and mortgages on the rise, some americans are learning a fixer-upper may not be the cheapest way to get into home ownership. plus, the pandemic era rule that turned away migrants at the border is soon set to expire. we're going to bring you the latest from the southern border next. what about the body? new dove shower collection is infused with hyaluronic and peptitide serums to make your skin feel smoother and more radiant. new dove bodody love. face care ingredientss now in the shower.
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mcallen, texas. what are they bracing for in terms of numbers and how are they preparing? >> reporter: so, erica, it is preparing for a worst case scenario up to 18,000 a day showing up at the nation's doorstep. asylum seekers to offer perspective. we heard from the alejandro mayorkas saying they're only seeing 7,000, i say only when you compare it to a worst case scenario. out of those 7,000 about 50% of them are being expelled back south of the border basically being deported through this title 42 provision, this public health authority that's been in place for two years and the concern there is that once that is removed is that so many families that have basically decided to wait just south of the border just right across the bridge from where i'm standing tonight that as soon as that no longer is an issue they will finally make that very short journey to the nation's doorstep and request asylum and that's
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where critics of the biden administration have basically been sounding off. for starters even pleading with the biden administration not to allow this to expire but yesterday we heard from the government basically allowing that to happen and that is certainly concerning but, of course, migrant advocates here and many of these groups are applauding the move saying it has kept many of these families from reaching the relative safety of the united states for the last two years but now that that's gone that's where we stand right now but, again, the big test, ultimate test will happen in late may when title 42 is basically lifted and that will be the ultimate test for government agencies, local state and federal that have been working just constantly to make sure they can handle the flow to see if it will be a coordinated effort or if we will once again see these overpopulated holding facilities and then, of course, immigration in a midterm year becoming yet another big topic of debate. >> yeah, absolutely. do we know, polo, what is the
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asylum process going to look like? i mean, when we think about how many people are waiting, how long is this going to take? >> reporter: yeah, well, basically it will go from title 42 to title 8, the way it's been done for decades which is people that are coming from other countries basically showing at a port of entry and declaring asylum and following the process. as we heard from that secretary again, many -- so many others are released. i heard from a source just yesterday describing the plan as it's meant to be a streamlined and expedited process because at border towns across the rio grande we're seeing up to 10,000 people that have been waiting there for weeks, months, perhaps up to the two years and many of those people will certainly try to pour in and that is where the u.s. government certainly is going to try to stay a step ahead and here on the ground we're seeing not only the
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federal government but a lot of nonprofit groups gearing up and preparing for that kind of worst case scenario, up to 18,000 people a day showing up at the nation's doorstep if that's what we end up seeing. >> polo, thank you. i appreciate it. just ahead here, women and war. women giving birth far from home. we'll introduce you to some of the youngest refugees, newborns and their mothers. that's next in the cnn newsroom.
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number of people had a difficult choice, especially pregnant women. do they stay home in that war zone or do they try for a long treacherous journey across the border to hopefully give birth in a safer place? we spoke to some young mothers who chose to flee to poland. >> reporter: born just hours ago in poland, this baby is already a survivor of the war in ukraine. is it hard to be happy? "it is," she says. it is her first child. [ speaking foreign language ] you feel guilty why? [ speaking foreign language ] "because i left," she says. left her home in western ukraine. the war had begun. the bombing near their city. thee escaped by bus then walked on foot across the border.
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paramedics rushed her to the hospital. she delivered adelina a month earlier separated from her family. my mother, sister, grandparents still in ukraine. he's killing our people, he says, of vladimir putin. how could anyone be so cruel? i'm terrified. i'm terrified that something like this can happen that you can lead your everyday life and all of a sudden because of decisions that you have no influence upon, there is a war and you have to flee. it's unbelievable. it's terrifying. >> reporter: dr. magda is a specialist. the hospital focused on treating women has seen 80 ukrainian patients this month, delivered 11 babies and treated cancer patients like 58-year-old tatiana. >> translator: i ran with my granddaughter in my arms. missiles had already blown out the window in the building. >> reporter: something exploded next to her car.
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her city is occupied by russians. she's grateful for her doctors at the hospital and the free health care in poland that's treating her cervical cancer. christina is one of the doctors. we're not using her last name because she herself is also a refugee from ukraine. a mother of a 5-year-old and the wife of a ukrainian military man. your husband. "my husband has been in the military since 2014. at the moment he's in lviv. "you had to leave your husband behind? " "yes," she says. i can't sit and do nothing. i have this opportunity to help women who fled the country. with each breath, baby adelina offers her mother a respite from the war. what will you tell your daughter about her birth? "the truth," she says. "we will tell her everything as it was." all the ukrainian patients you've seen in this story, that
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health care is being covered by the government of poland including all the care once they leave the hospital and they're not the only ones. the ministry of health in poland says 197 ukrainian children have been born in poland since this war began. kyung lah, warsaw, poland. for more on how to can help the humanitarian efforts for ukrainian refugees and ukraine go to cnn.com/impact. the cnn audience has already donated more than $7 million. the white house celebrating a strong jobs report. many americans though struggling to keep up with skyrockets home prices and prices for upkeep too. up next, why that fixer upper may not save you money in the long run. ( ♪ ) ( ♪ )
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by the cost, especially the labor to put them in. we wanted to figure out a way of how we can do our countertops on our own and save costs and labor so the concrete countertops were born. >> reporter: she saved $3300 by doing them with her partner and tried the same with her floors. but underestimated how much she would need and the rapidly rising costs of lumber. >> we didn't estimate enough wood for the first floor and we went back to buy more wood for the flooring and it ended up that after a month's time the flooring went up about 25 cents per square foot. >> reporter: but it's not just homeowners getting stuck with higher costs. construction materials are up 24% in the last year. bill mcgraff's company is installing elevators in this new residential housing complex in new jersey. so far they've put in two. what are the materials in this elevator that you have seen an increase on? >> well, right here you have the
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electronics which this is stainless steel. you have the plastic, electronic boards behind it. that's costing more. the ceilings, wood, you're standing on lumber. there's steel underneath. >> is all of it going up? >> yeah. >> reporter: supply chain slowdowns and demand have pushed construction costs up. forcing projects to come in over budget and over deadline. how much more is this elevator going to cost than the one we just saw? >> we're at -- this one is going to cost 17% more material cost than the other two that we completed. >> reporter: and he says his 18-person company is spending more on gas to bring materials in, up 24% in the last month. all of these rising costs will get passed down. where is the end? >> i guess the people that will be living here. >> reporter: for braun the higher costs means accepting things like painting the outside of the house getting put on hold.
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>> we'd love to get -- hire somebody to do that. that's been put on the back burner and we'll have to learn to love the green. an am covid booster. think of it like your yearly flu shot. could that be the future? dr. anthony fauci weighed in with cnn's dr. sanjay gupta. >> we don't know this as a fact but it could be that we may need an intermittent boost on a yearly basis until we get this level so low down because we don't know where covid is going in the sense of the long, long range. >> dr. peter hotez joins me now from texas children's hospital. always good to see you, dr. hotez.
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dr. fauci says we should be prepared for annual covid boosters and back in the fall you wrote we'd likely be good after the third shot. how are you feeling today? do you think an annual booster could be in our future? >> well, here's the problem, erica. the mrna technology may not be holding up as well in terms of boosters as we originally hoped. you know, i remember saying to you, you know, it's not going to be one and done and two and done but could be three and done and i believed at the time but then we had disappointing news in that the effectiveness of the booster declined after several months to 66% against emergency room protection, 78% against hospitalizations, still good but not as good as it was and hence the reason now for the recommendation of the second booster. the question now is, is that going to be the same issue? is it going to decline after a few months? so i think that's the reason why dr. fauci, you know, mentions the possible need for an annual booster but there's an
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alternative to think about as well. maybe we need to look beyond the mrna technology to something else, for instance, a recombinant protein injection. a vaccine given to 20 million kids in india and looking something along those lines has to be on the table. >> the vaccine you worked on? >> that's right. we've developed a recombinant protein vaccine released for emergency use authorization in ind india and approved in botswana. another protein based vaccine. another one is novemavax and if they give you more durable and longlasting protection and has to be a priority for the white house and the hhs agencies to really look at in detail. >> well, i mean as we wait for that and we wait for the science and the research to be there to let us know, the reality is some people in this country are now eligible for the fourth shot,
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right, those over 50 became eligible this week, the president, the vice president got theirs. how quickly do you think that fourth shot could be opened up to other age groups or even, frankly, to everybody? >> well, i think it's a real possibility. moderna originally looked to the fda to look at this for all adults, right now it's been green-lighted for those 50 and up but i think, you know, we may have to broaden it over time and, you know, a lot of this is going to be driven by how much of a wave is going to be produced by the ba.2 subvariant or future variants over the summer in the southern states. i think that will drive it a lot, as well, but i do think we're probably going to be looking at universal second boosters at some point in this pandemic if it continues. >> some good news that we're getting. hospitalizations at their loyest point of covid-19. this is such an important metric. what does that say to you about
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the pandemic as a whole? are we leaving pandemic stage entering endemic stage? >> well, right now we're -- people use the word endemic. i don't know what it means for covid-19 because we've seen how this actually goes in very dramatic waves, so it's not like it's just percolating along at a low level in perpetuity. it goes way down and way up so one of the big questions now, what happens with that ba.2 subvariant? it's not as clear-cut as it was with the alpha wave and the delta wave and omicron wave where once that became the dominant variant then you saw a big peak. with ba.2 and western europe we're seeing it all over the map. some places it produces a big wave, some places it doesn't. holding our breath to see where it falls in the united states. it may be one scenario tossed around, maybe it'll be a regional wave, not across the
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entire country. but we'll have to see but in any case because we've failed to vaccinate the world's low and middle income countries so it now generates all our worst variants of concern, even if we do okay with the ba.2 subvariant we should expect another wave across the southern states and texas in the summer and maybe an annual winter wave until we figure out how to vaccinate the world. >> dr. peter hotez, appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. every day thousands of ukrainians are fleeing the fighting in their country. up next how some of them have been forced to take unconventional routes to safety. . so today, lelet's paint... ...with behr, , america's most trusted paint brand, and make your home, yours. behr. exclusively at the homome dep. inner vovoice (furniture maker: i'm constantly nodding... ...because i know everything about furniture ...but with the business side... quicooks can help.
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people were evacuated today through humanitarian corridors. but with russian attacks making it really difficult to keep those corridors open some refugees are turning to frankly more unconventional methods to try to get to the safety. cnn's ben weidemann reporting on one escape route that includes bribing russian soldiers. >> reporter: everything will be all right, he sings for every one of us. words of comfort for those desperately in need. popular singer and formerly lawmaker, this man goes from village to village with a simple message. >> mile. >> this church in the village of bashtanka is home, temporary home for those managing to flee
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russian occupied territory. volunteering in the kitchen in svetlana provides peace but not peace of mind. it's already hard she says. people here are very nice. but i just want to go home. vitali, a mechanic in peace time now run as complex operation feeding and housing the displaced. >> war make us like a family, very close. >> reporter: the church feels like an oasis of the ordinary, far from the madness outside. early evening and a bus approaches marked deti, russian for children. alas, no guarantee of safety. it's coming from the town under
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russian control. but it didn't pass through a humanitarian corridor negotiated by the red cross. the arrangement whereby the people are able to get out of the russian-occupied areas to here is very simple. men on the bus give russian soldiers food and cigarettes, and the russian soldiers let them pass. larisa got out but is tormented by fear for those who couldn't get away. everything is really bad, she says. her parents are still hiding out in the basement. she hopes they'll get out tomorrow. ben weidemann, cnn, southern ukraine. >> heart breaking. well, the slap. you saw it and heard about the fallout. so what's next for will smith?
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free when you sign up. just say “try apple tv+” to get started. it's a movement. with xfinity, it's a way better way to watch. nearly a week on the slap scene around the world, still being felt, will smith in an emotional statement resigned from the motion picture academy, after of course that slap. he slapped chris rock across the face at the oscars. camila bernal joins us live from los angeles. we know the academy accepted
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smith's resignation. what exactly does that mean, though, going forward? what's the real impact? >> reporter: yeah, erica, a couple of things. first we don't know whether or not will smith will be invited to future academy awards. he also will not have access to film screenings being considered for an oscar. and he will not be able to vote on nominees or potential nominees. these are all things that he is giving up willingly. as you mentioned in that resignation letter, he says that he will accept the consequences of his actions. and actions that he described as shocking, painful and inexcusable. so as you said, the academy accepted that resignation. but they are still going to meet upon april 18th to possibly discuss other consequences. now, according to the bilines, the code of conduct, they could talk about whether or not he loses his awards. so there could be more coming later on this month. so we are waiting for that. and we're also waiting for chris
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rock to speak out. because he says that he will talk about this in length and says that it will be funny but also serious, erica. >> meantime, the resignation comes a day after we've been learning a little bit more about what was happening in those moments after this slap. the lead producer for the oscars, will packer, talking about chris rock's backstage reaction. what more did he reveal? >> reporter: look, will packer saying he was devastated. he said that his heart dropped, as he was watching all of this, and said he thought it was a joke. had to wait for chris rock to get off stage to have confirmation this really did happen. he said that after any all got in a meeting and were there with lapd and asking chris rock whether or not he wanted to press charges. and chris rock declined to do to that here is what will packer said on abc. >> as they were talking, chris was -- he was being very
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dismissive of those options. he was like, no, i'm fine. he was like, no, no, no. and even to the point where i said -- i said, rock let them finish. the lapd officers finish laying out what his options were. and -- and they said, you know would you like to us take in action? and he said no. >> now, packer did say that will smith reached out the day after and apologized for essentially over overshadowing his success. unfortunately many others feel their success was overshadowed. >> camila bernal with the latest, appreciate it. thank you. our next hour starts right now. so we're in a bomb shelter in odessa where they are making bullet proof vests. >> all of the vehicles have been branded with the red cross. so try to ensure that they corn be attacked on the road. i interviewed a young girl shot

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