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professionally, but watch out for charlie woods, wolf. >> i'm sure he's going to be pretty good as well. a lot of people are going to be watching in the coming days. good report. thank you very much, brian todd, for that. and thanks to our viewers for watching. i'll be back in half an hour on a new streaming service, cnn plus, with my new show called "the newscast." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. breaking news, explosions rocking a major city in ukraine tonight. one eye-witness says she saw russian soldiers doing unmentionable things to innocent civilians in the town of borodyanka. plus the eu going after two of putin's daughters but will sanctioning them be enough to get the russian president's attention? and russia claiming the images of mass graves, of innocent people tortured and killed are all fake. how one journalist disproved that. he's my guest tonight. he's my guest tonight. let's go "outfront."
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-- captions by vitac -- good evening, i'm erin burnett. deadly explosions rock ukraine's second largest city. russia has carried out at least 54 strikes in and around kharkiv over the past 24 hours and tonight, nato fearing more attacks. >> in the coming weeks, we expect a further russian push in the eastern and southern ukraine, so this is a crucial phase of the war. >> a crucial phase, and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, warning the situation on the ground now has the potential to spiral out of control. >> a potential for significant international conflict between great powers is increasing. >> increasing. at this point. these are strong words from the united states and its allies, and they come as ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy
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demands the united nations hold russia accountable for putin's brutal and unprovoked war, going into graphic detail about what happened in bucha, a town that has become the first evidence of putin's brutality. >> translator: they killed entire families, adults and children, and they tried to burn the bodies. civilians were crushed by tanks while sitting in their cars in the middle of the road, just for their pleasure. they cut off limbs, slashed their throats. women were raped and killed in front of their children. their tongues were pulled out only because the aggressor did not hear what they wanted to hear from them. >> volunteer helping recover bodies in bucha tells cnn that the number of body bags are in the, quote, hundreds, not dozens, and that the atrocities committed by russia spread beyond the horrors that the world is already seeing. so, in a moment, i'm going to speak to paul, the reporter you met last night. today he was in borodyanka about
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40 miles west from kyiv. look at what's left as he drove down one road. that's a nine-story apartment building. you saw a second ago, a hole through the middle and these other buildings collapsed after being hit by russian missiles, crushing anyone who happened to be inside. he also spoke to a woman whose 78-year-old sister was shot while out looking for food. >> translator: they shot her below the waist as she was with her back to them so she remained there lying on the road. >> that woman's sister is sadly nearly one of the 1,500 ukrainian civilians that the u.n. estimates have so far been killed by russians and i just want to be clear here. that real count, i think we all can just know it, say it at this point, no one has any idea. we do know one thing. it's going to be way higher than that. christiane amanpour is out front live in keef tonight and what is the latest on the ground tonight? >> reporter: well, as you know, around here, the situation is calm in terms of russian activity but of course the
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situation on the ground, anything but resolved and you've been seeing as reporters and others keep going and uncovering all of this stuff, what we are getting to see. you mentioned kharkiv. i was there over the last 24 hours. there was a lot of artillery duels but no sign yet there that the russians had any ability or attempt to try to take it again. they tried once in february in the early days of the war, and they were pushed back. and then, of course, we have a prisoner of war exchange whereby prisoners of war, ukrainians, have been returned. they did tell us what they had gone through under their russian captors, but they also said they wanted to go back and fight, erin. back home and free, these former ukrainian prisoners of war once held by russian forces are greeted by friends and colleagues in kyiv. freedom for now is the drag of a
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cigarette, walking on home turf, even if that means using crutches. bags of food are handed out to the more than 80 former ukrainian p.o.w.s released in a prisoner exchange with russia. it's a welcome meal and a moment to decompress and reflect on what many here say was the physical and mental abuse they endured in russian custody. one p.o.w. named gleb says he was captured nearly a month ago while evacuating civilians. he was beaten by russian soldiers. >> translator: they hit me in the face with machine gun butts and kicked me. my front teeth were also chipped. >> reporter: anya and dasha were in the same unit. it was shelled by russian troops, who they say tried to break them, making them shout "glory to russia" and they shaved their heads, telling them that it was for hygiene purposes. >> translator: maybe they were trying to break our spirit in some way. >> translator: it was a shock,
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but then we're strong girls, you know? >> reporter: dmytro says he was taken by russian soldiers in mariupol and suffered daily beatings during his captivity. >> translator: they would beat us five to six times a day for nothing. they would just take us into the hallway and beat us up. >> reporter: it's an ordeal and it will take time to heal both mentally and physically, though many say they want to go back to their units and continue fighting. but before that, gleb shows us a slip of paper with what he says are the phone numbers of loved ones of prisoners still held captive by the russians. he says he will tell the families they are still alive and not to give up hope. >> christiane, i mean, what more did the p.o.w.s, the former p.o.w.s tell you? >> well, you know, they told us a lot about their conditions. we tried to give you some of it.
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the local attorney general here, the prosecutor general here, says that the russian captors violated the geneva conventions in terms of how they treated their prisoners, but i mean, i think the clear thing is that they do want to go back to the front. they know that the russians are repositioning, and i think everybody's bracing for a big fight around donbas in the east. erin? >> all right, so, christiane, please stay with me with all of your reporting here. i want to bring in paul ronz hiemer, deputy editor-in-chief of build and paul, we spoke yesterday. you had been to bucha, and today you were in borodyanka. and i just briefly showed some of the images that you filmed today. i want to show some more that your team captured. i mean, this is what is left. complete and utter devastation and destruction. buildings completely taken down, rubble on the streets. it's amazing you were even able to move. at this point, do you -- it seems that this is now the norm. i mean, i would imagine you expect to see more and more places like this?
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>> you're totally right. it seems to be that bucha was just the beginning while the world was watching, while the world sees, okay, there's so many civilians dead, but when we came to borodyanka, and as a journalist, came to other places, we see there's a lot of buchas all over ukraine. and while we're talking, there is attacks in the east, and people here and government officials from ukraine tell me secretly, they say it will be a huge attack, and we need help, and why is it, and they ask me, specifically, because i'm german, they ask me, why is your government not doing more? >> so, paul, you know, i played a brief clip from one of the people you spoke to today in borodianka, the woman who talked about her 78-year-old sister, that she said she was shot in the back when she was out trying
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to get food and just left there to die on the road. and she was out to get meat. and here's some more of what she told you. >> translator: they searched through the people. they took their stuff, home appliances and even underwear. forgive me for mentioning this. women's, men's underwear, dinner ware, gold, it goes without saying and they were taking men. there is this paved with asphalt place near the church. they would tie up the men there, put them on the asphalt and torture the men. they'd beat them and then -- then they committed indy sen halfsies. >> they committed indecencies and we heard what zelenskyy said, horrific, horrific, unconscionable acts. but again, i hate to use the word "norm" because it is anything but, but that appears to be what happened again and again in town after town, paul. >> absolutely. and it's like when you go there, and you meet women like hannah
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and she starts crying in front of you and telling you this story, about her sister and they were together in the cellar and the sister just wanted to g o ot to get some food, to get something, and then she got shot. and hannah, when we interviewed her, she started crying again and again because the sister is the only one who was left with her. and then she told us about the people, the men in this village. she said, look, i don't know what happened to them. i know many were captured. some were freed, but others, we don't know what happened. we know many were tortured, but many, we don't know where they are now. >> christiane, today, the nato secretary general, jens stoltenberg said nato is expecting russia to conduct a
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very concentrated attack in eastern ukraine with the aim of capturing the entire donbas region. so, you know, that would be putting all of their fire power in a much smaller place. upping the intensity and upping their potential of victory. what are your sources telling you? >> well, the same, certainly here on the ground, that is what the thinking is, as they see what the russian soldiers have done in terms of moving and regrouping and redeploying, not just in the eastern donbas but maybe also in the south in order to continue this horrendous pounding of the besieged city of mariupol in the south to try to get that city as a sort of a land bridge from russia, from russian-controlled territory and bridging them all. but donbas, as you know, since 2014, the russians have had a little bit of it. now, they want the whole lot of it. and this has been something that even the russian ambassador to the u.n. said today to zelenskyy
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when he was busy denying all that zelenskyy was saying about the terrible crimes we have just been witnessing, the, you know, the execution-style murders that we have been seeing and paul is seeing and our colleagues have seen out in these suburbs around kyiv. denying that, although satellite photos have shown it, when they were there, it was happening, no other forces were there. so they're very concerned about the east now. >> and paul, the people that you spoke to in these villages, are the people who stayed. what are they going to do now? do any of them have any sense of what happens now? >> they just are happy to be alive, to be honest. i mean, they know what happened to so many relatives, to so many friends of them. we were in bucha for two days yesterday, and the day before, and when you see that hundreds of people got killed, especially men, the people you meet on the streets, first of all, they're happy to be alive. i mean, they are under shock,
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clearly, and i think they will only understand in some days, weeks, months, maybe, what really happened in the village. >> thank you very much for your reporting, both of you, so very much. next, the eu reportedly planning to go after two of putin's daughters. so, what do we know about them? this is a big step. plus russia with a new excuse tonight of who they claim is behind the graphic images that the world is witnessing in ukraine. and the calls to put putin on trial for war crimes are growing louder, but here's the real question. will the russian president ever face real punishment? we have a special report.
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operations, glad to have you on to talk about this. steve, let me just show you the images of one of the women believed to be one of putin's daughters. she is speaking in this picture at the st. petersburg economic forum which used to be the central place that putin would appear every year, globally. now, we've been unable to confirm, steve, these reports of sanctions with our sources at this point. but obviously, sanctions on putin had really limited impact on him. what about on his daughters who are much more global and spend a lot of time outside russia? >> erin, allegedly, one is possibly in paris or other european places and then you've got the one who is apparently still in moscow. you know, there's probably not a whole lot of actual, i don't know, strategic or tactical advantage that these sanctions are going to have, aside from putting personal pressure on putin, and we've seen that he responds to this personal pressure in sort of a strange way, in sort of a chip on the
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shoulder way. you recall earlier, when president biden and other western leaders referred to putin as a war criminal, he didn't say things like, russia would never involve ourselves in that activity or, you know, our military is professional. what he said through his spokesman or i think might have been lavrov, the foreign minister, he said, well, this is offensive for president putin to be called a war criminal, almost as though it were a personal affront. and that's the kind of personal pressure that i think these types of activities, these types of sanctions are targeting, they're trying to up the psychological pressure, per se, on putin. >> so, ronald, you know, this is the interesting thing. putin rarely talks about his family members. i mean, completely loath to do so, but he did once, in an interview, very friendly interview, right, that he did with oliver stone. and maybe because it was such a friendly setting and a friendly interview, when the topic came up, putin actually said something. here's the exchange. >> are you a grandfather yet? you like your grandchildren?
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>> translator: yes. >> so, are you a good grandfather? do you play with them in the garden? >> translator: very seldom. >> you're a very lucky man. two good children. >> translator: yes, i'm proud of them. >> okay. ronald, you know, just this obviously he didn't even want to talk about it even with oliver stone, right, but he got him to say that he's got children, he's got grandchildren, he seldom plays with them. and these are the children that we know about of putin's and their children, right? there's other things we don't know. >> right. >> why is there so much mystery about this, ronald? >> yeah, i was going to say, he would have looked happier if he were under deposition. you know, he has portrayed himself as the quintessential russian czar, i mean, this is about a man of international mystery and power, if i can quote the, you know, quote austin powers. i mean, the idea of the
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personal -- western politicians love the personal, and we see it all the time and you see it all the time on the air and we all see it in a commercial where family members are mentioned. that's not how these guys work. this is about -- and somebody, him in particular, this is about a projection of power. family, interesting he acknowledges but really that doesn't -- is not what he wants. it's not going to be -- the family is not going to be around his statue when he wants that statue in red square, okay? it's an adjunct to it. it's just something that you want to keep out of the way. you acknowledge you're a good family man but he's more interested in appearing with the russian orthodox church or in military situations or riding, you know, shirtless on the back of a horse to project his power. that's power. family, in many ways, is weakness. >> right, which is an interesting point. it's also interesting, of course, why it's taken so long to do this with the daughters. obviously, there are other possible, you know, children we don't know about. all of this strategically asks -- begs so many questions.
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in this context, steve, the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. today talked about what putin is doing now, and this is reports that thousands of ukrainian citizens are being taken out of ukraine against their will, into what is called filtration camps. it's a very specific word, filtration camps. here's what she said. >> reports indicate that russian federal security agents are confiscating passports and i.d.s, taking away cell phones and separating families from one another. i do not need to spell out what these so-called filtration camps are reminiscent of. it's chilling. and we cannot look away. >> so, steve, these filtration camps, this is a word that's been used before, and what we understand from people who have relatives going to them is that, you know, there's -- they check your cell phone, who are you talking to, filtering you for how russian you are or whether
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you're a, quote, unquote, nazi or all these things, this very charged term, filtering. why do you think putin is reportedly now using these camps, and how big are they? >> first and foremost, erin, it's important to realize what a long history these filtration camps have. the original filtration camps actually started back in the 1940s after the second world war when the then soviet union used filtration camps to filter its own troops, russian troops, returning from the front and sometimes returning from p.o.w. camps where the germans had held them and they were basically testing to see whether these were still loyal russians. the other thing they were doing that they are still doing today is they are recruiting their intelligence services who run these camps, recruiting the people in these camps to try to spy on each other, inside the camps as well as other targets, so fast forward to chechnya where they also used these filtration camps. that's when putin started to use these camps as torture locations, as also places to do interrogations, and again, to
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recruit people to spy against, in that case, the chechen targets. so fast forward to ukraine and what you've got is a filtration, who is pro-russia, who is not pro-russia, and again, very importantly, there's not just abuse, but there are forced recruitments that are going on. the russian intelligence services are trying to recruit or forcing, basically, ukrainians to say, look, we're going to let you go and not kill your family if you promise to go back to your hometown in ukraine and be a spotter for us or be a spy for us back there. that's some of the ways that these filtration camps, which, again, have a long history in russia, that's some of the stuff they're up to. >> ron, you say that the reports of filtration camps and what you're seeing here are the worst in three decades. ukraine says right now, at least 45,000 citizens have been forcibly deported to russia. so, 45, that's a huge number and we don't even know the extent of it. go ahead. >> yeah, no, i'm sorry. i lived through southeastern europe. i watched what happened in the former yugoslavia and all of
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this is coming back and frankly in a bad nightmare to me, personally. what i would say to you, erin, you know, fear equals power. fear and bigotry equal power. putin knows that. the russians know that. and these kind of camps, whatever they care to call them, and they're internment camps, other words for them as well, these are meant to -- these are meant to frighten. these are meant to project power. these are meant to sort those out who are loyal, those who aren't, but this kind of behavior and the criminality involved with that behavior, i can't urge everybody enough, having gone through this process in the international court of justice and all this, for gods sakes, we've got to record this stuff. we have to keep track of this stuff. we have plenty of information, and there has to be some reckoning for this. vladimir putin is a war criminal. he is encouraging war criminal-like activities and there's no two ways around it however he wants to color it.
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that's the way it is. >> thank you both very much. next, the satellite images that disprove russia's lie that russia was not behind the horrific attacks in bucha. tonight, we are learning about new satellite images. we're going to show exactly what they show, when they were taken and what they prove. plus children who fled ukraine now playing in a storage room with computer desks turned into dining tables. we're going to take you inside an office building that's become home for ukrainian refugees. re . that help unleash your energy. loaded with b vitamins... ...and other key essential nutrients...'s a tasty way to conquer your day. try centrum multi gummies. now with a new look. jeff's been to the bottom of the o ocean. the tops o of mountains. and whererever this guy runs off to. a life well lived should continue at home. with home instead care, older adults can stay home, safe, and happy. home instead. to us, it's personal.
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with xfinity, it's a way better way to watch. forgery, the russian ambassador to the u.n. saying that horrific images out of bucha are fake. >> translator: once again without any evidence based on the presumption of guilt the russian army is being accused of some kind of evil deeds. this is incredibly low blow. >> and that's just the beginning of the russian propaganda. matthew chance is out front. >> reporter: if you think russian soldiers are humans, he
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says, just look at this. the shocked words of a ukrainian driver recording these appalling scenes on the road into bucha. but what took place here is beyond words, beyond outrage. ukrainian officials say the bodies being retrieved are of civilians killed by russian forces in the town. some with their hands tied behind their backs before being shot dead. evidence of war crimes, a charge the kremlin and its propaganda machine is categorically denying. this is how one of the top anchors on russian state television explained the massacre.
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it must have been the work of british specialists, he says, because the town of bucha and the english word "butcher" sound so similar. maybe it's a joke, but no one's laughing. certainly not the kremlin spokesman, dmitry poskov, who's dubbed the filkillings a forgero try to denigrate the russian army. a huge amount of data, he told journalists, clearly indicates this is faked. staged, say russian officials, after their troops had left. but satellite images of bucha first published by "the new york times" show bodies had been strewn across the streets there for weeks, at least from march 18th when the town was under russian control.
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photographic evidence that contradicts the kremlin's claims. it's also raising concerns that more killings will be unearthed as russian forces withdraw. the ukrainian president seen here visiting bucha, accusing russia of trying to hide the traces of their crimes in other parts of ukraine that remain under russian control. it makes a peace deal even harder. every day, we find people in barrels, strangled or tortured in basements, president zelenskyy says. it's very difficult to negotiate when you see what they have done here, he adds. it is sickening to accept but the sacrifice of these people may have actually pushed back the chances of peace in ukraine.
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instead of bringing this appalling conflict to aend. erin, u.s. officials say they'd already concluded that the russians had committed war crimes in ukraine. the information that we've just seen there from bucha is just further evidence that's going to allow them to be more able to hold people responsible for what's taken place there. in the meantime, u.s. says it's working intensively with its european allies to impose more painful sanctions as a result of this on the russian state. erin? >> thank you very much, matthew chance, for that report and i want to go now to malachi brown because he's a pulitzer prize winner investigator and i want to warn everyone that the images that we're going the share in this segment, some of them are obviously very graphic and disturbing. but it is important because they are the reality that is being
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denied by the russians to the world and to their 150 million citizens. so, i want to show some of the satellite images from maxar, the satellite company. these are taken in mid-march, okay? i'm going to show that, and i'm going to show video in bucha from friday. so, in each case, what you're looking at your screen, everyone, are the same locations, exact same locations and objects, like a bicycle near an intersection. also what appear to be multiple bodies lying in various parts of the street. again, the satellite image is showing these things are from mid-march, right? the russians are alleging the ukrainians did this as the russians were leaving this past friday. so this shows the reality. what else can you determine when you go through all of these satellite images as you have done so extensively? what else can you determine? >> well, our process for that is
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really to fact check the russian statement. there was a confidence to it. they didn't feel like they had to launch an investigation and the rebuttal was very, very firm. and although, you know, journalists couldn't get in there to document what was happening or citizens, satellites are passing it every day and taking images if it's not cloudy, and so that's what we did. we looked at the position, as you said, and the orientation of the bodies on the streets, and they matched up perfectly. they didn't move. they lay there in the same position for weeks, day after day. those images captured them in the same position. and we know that russia was in control of the town at that time. today, we've just published new imagery. it's video footage this time of a cyclist approaching that same intersection, and you see a convoy of russian military vehicles, so we now know they were positioned along that
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street where a dozen or more bodies were found, and as the cyclist turns the corner, two artillery vehicles open fire, one of them apparently into the path of the cyclist, and a plume of smoke comes from that position. and by zooming in on the aerial footage, capturing that moment, you can see that the cyclist's clothes and then weeks later, there's horrific video of what appears to be the same person, the same clothes in that position, lying beside a bicycle, you know, feet away from where the russian tanks opened fire. so this is further evidence that absolutely rebuts russia's claims that this is manufactured evidence and that they weren't there, those bodies didn't appear while they were in the area. >> all right, so, i just want to be clear on a couple things you just said. one, you're talking about the bodies have been there for weeks and not just there, right, but oriented the way they were. you know, when the journalists
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first went in and took the pictures, you sort of had a body in front of each house. smom with the hands tied behind the backs but you're saying you could check even the orientation of those bodies, none of that changed. i want to give a chance, malachy, to play the video that you just referred to, and i want to be sure i understand what you're saying. you're saying this shows the russian tanks and clearly from what we see in the satellite images and the subsequent video, where the bicyclist is, appears to show the moment that that bicyclist was killed by that russian convoy, correct? >> that's correct. yeah. yeah. it turn -- the cyclist turns the corner into the direction in which the canons from those armored vehicles are pointing. one of them appears to be pointing -- firing down the street already, in the direction of where many of those other bodies are found. they're scattered across a half a mile either side of that
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intersection that you see the cyclist approaching, and that cyclist appears to have been killed as well. >> all right, malachy, thank you very much. it's incredibly powerful. it's the reality of the world we live in is that you need this to show the truth, to prove the truth, and it's there. it's all there. it's there in the satellites. it's there in the images and it's there again and again and again, painfully there. thank you very much. as i said, he is the senior story producer for the visual investigations team at the mark times, doing this incredible work. next, breaking news, new video coming in of a strike on a children's hospital in southern ukraine. we are learning more about that and we will share it with you. plus, putin's been accused of war crimes as well in chechnya, leveling the capital of grozny, in syria, bombing schools and churches, and he felt it was successful. will this time be different? ourf seven hundred and thirty dollarars. (customer) that's something. (burke) get a whole lot t of something with farmers.
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a children's hospital. kyung lah is out front tonight. she is in warsaw where hundreds of women and children were able to escape, now calling an office building home. >> this office building in downtown warsaw is not just real estate. it's refuge. ukrainian children play with toys in what used to be a storage room. strollers sit in corporate hallways. computer desks are dining room tables. two stories of the 7th floor office building are now home to refugees. like 18-month-old milana and her mother. we feel safe, she says. there's no sirens, no horrible sounds. 2.5 million ukrainians, nearly all women and children, have crossed into poland since the start of the war. and you just removed the lights? >> we removed the lights and
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installed this here. >> reporter: the country has managed to absorb them in just six weeks through ingenuity. >> like elevators, that serves offices, and behind the column, there is an elevator that serves just refugees. >> reporter: anna is ceo for tfg asset management, which owns the building. >> we have beds and shelves, whatever is necessary. >> reporter: the war started on a thursday. the company had the space available and pivoted from commerce to crisis. >> so, here, we had like a small reception desk. >> reporter: three days later. >> none of this existed. it was just a matter of putting in additional installation in piping. >> reporter: they had the first of nearly 250 women and children move in. >> we have this place. we can do something. do something for real people, right? so, we just decided to do it. >> was that the hard part or the easy part? >> that was the easiest part, to set it up. the hardest part right now is to
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make them feel good, solve their problems, the refugees' problems. >> i'm from ukraine. >> reporter: 7-year-old margot lives here with her mother, oksana. this used to be office furniture, she explains, with the addition of a donated bed. oh, it's pretty comfortable. this has been home since the start of the war. she is an accountant. her husband fights in dnipro, near the eastern flank. it's your husband? please talk to him. they never know when he'll be able to call. >> this is my husband. >> reporter: i can't comprehend it, she says. it's as if we're in a 40-day horror movie and we can't wake up. one floor above, employees do their best to carry on with their jobs. >> i do not know anybody who is
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saying, i don't care. everybody cares. everybody wants to help. >> reporter: his employees sending whatever they can downstairs. >> whatever is needed, either desks, either vacuum cleaners, we just try to help, to supplement our new neighbors. >> reporter: but war has meant the days of business as usual are over. >> we're really also learning from them. we see how they are coping with this tragic events and this tragic situation. and it's really make you feel happy but also makes you feel that you're doing something good. >> reporter: now, the big difference here is that there is some semipermanence to this. the doors of these office rooms actually close. they are not on cots in an arena. there's stable internet so they can do things like connect to their men in ukraine, and erin, this is just one slice, one example of something that's being repeated millions of times over across europe.
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>> all right, thank you very much. and next, the legal loophole that could be used to prosecute putin and his inner circle for invading ukraine. plus, tiger woods says he's ready to play in his first major tournament since that horrible car accident last year. ♪ >> the question is simple. do you think you can win the masters this week? >> i do. ♪ ♪ ♪ you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? like how i customized this scarf? check out th backpack i made for marco. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪
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brutality and possible war crimes. my husband had been shot in the head, mutilated and tortured says tatiana. he was buried a meter deep so the dogs wouldn't eat him. that was it. for weeks president volodymyr zelenskyy has been calling for justice. those calls are growing louder. >> you may remember i got krietized for calling putin a criminal. we have to gather all the detail so we can r a war crime trial. >> ritual actions of russian forces in ukraine are being investigated by international prosecutors. but putin faces accusations before. in chechnya russian forces levelled groz me. in syria, they bombed hospitals and schools with cluster munitions say multiple reports and no one in russia was punished. russia isn't a party to the
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international criminal court at the hague, making it harder to prosecute and investigationses at the icc can take years. >> we have to send a message to all those in putin's inner circle that they cannot act with impunity. prime minister gordon brown said that the the request of ukrainian officials, he's lobbying for a special tribunal. >> models on the nuremberg trials of nazi criminals and the tribunal investigating atrocities in the former yugoslavia. like the murder of thousands of men and boys in s reb nicea. >> they said it was impossible in 1942 when the allies said they were going to try hitler and his accomplices for crimes, what we call crime against peace and that happened in nuremberg. >> a tribunal creates a legal loophole to prosecute putin and senior officials for the act of
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invading ukraine itself. a crime of aggression with the right resources, brown says an indictment could come in months. >> russia has repeatedly denied responsibility for any crime. >> and u.s. officials believe that vladimir putin will wield absolute power inside russia so an indictment could be an empty threat. >> we have got to set the pace to say whenever putin leaves the country, whenever he is accessible he could be arrested. the only thing that he understands is strength. >> for these atrocities in bucha and for mariupol, for the crimes not yet revealed. >> a successful prosecution for war crimes could lead to decades, even lifetime in prison. the former icc prosecutor told me that even if there is an
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he's won five times before, but this would truly be one of the biggest comebacks in sports history. woods has been out of competition for more than a year after a car crash left him with serious leg injuries and fractured his bones directly under the knee. you heard him talk about the challenge of walking. he's expected to return to coincide with the 21st anniversary of his first masters win in 1997. thank you for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts now. goo good evening, we begin with a prediction come true that it won't be for the first time. former president of the country made the prediction just yesterday in the wake of atrocities uncovered in liberated bucha. don't be mistaken, he said. bucha is not alone, and it was not. it would be too much to hope forgiven all we've seen so far, so little prepares you for images like these. this is a town called