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gruesome path of destruction. tossed on the street like trash. now the u.s. is imposing new sanctions and some members of russia's elite including putin's two adult daughters. and the justice department in the u.s. is hoping to collect evidence for potential war crimes prosecutions. still, the nato secretary general had a stark warning for the rest of the world. he says even though russia is repositioning its assault to the eastern region of ukraine, putin has not given up, he said, on trying to capture the capital city of kyiv. and he said as long as putin wants the whole of ukraine, this war could last for years. let's bring in cnn's fred pleitgen. you spoke with some ukrainian civilians who before the war broke out, would fly drones to make youtube videos. now they're using those drones to hunt russian tanks and to
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document the horrors that we are seeing on the streets around kyiv. tell us more. >> reporter: so many people were surprise that had the ukraine military managed to beat back the russians. beat them back pretty badly. one of the reasons form was ordinary ukrainians taking up arms. but then also using their skills to act as force multipliers. a lot of that is coming out now the ukrainians have pushed the russians back. but as you've just reported, what is also coming out is that a lot of civilians were killed while the russians occupied certain areas. that's something we experienced and witnessed ourselves. i want to warn our viewers. what you are about to see is very graphic and certainly very disturbing. >> be careful. move, move. >> reporter: it's like a scene from the gates of hell. the dead lay strewn across the highway. some still next to the wreckage of their vehicles as the dogs roam around looking to scavenge.
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this is what the russians left behind as they retreated. he tells me, these were civilians gunned down from this position where the russians have placed a tank. >> and you can see it is a shooting zone. you see? and this car. there are no cars here because they wouldn't let them come. they just shot them as they approached. >> reporter: the russians deny it. they say it is fake and propaganda. it was march 7th when the russians were still in full control of this area and a group of cars was driving down the highway. they turned around after apparently taking fire from the tank position. this car stops and the driver gets out. then this. >> at this moment he was shot in this place. >> reporter: two people were killed that day. maxeem and his wife who was also
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in the vehicle. the family has confirmed the identities to cnn. after the incident, the drone filmed russian troops getting two further people out of the car and taking them away. it was the couple's 6-year-old son and a family friend traveling with them, the relatives confirmed. both were later released by the russians. the soldiers then search maxime's body and drag him away. this incident both traumatizing and motivating for his drone unit. >> in normal life before the war, we were civilians who like in to fly drones around casually and make a nice video. youtube videos. when the war began, we become a vital part of the resistance. >> reporter: he sent us hours of video showing his team scoping out russian vehicles, even finding them when they're hidden and almost impossible to spot. and then they know ukrainians. >> we call them eyes. with eyes, you can see and report. as soon as you see, you can
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conduct strikes, artillery strikes. >> reporter: how long does it take to get your information to the right places to act on the intelligence? >> in good time, it is a matter of minutes. >> reporter: and sometimes a little mosquito can take out a whole herd of elephants. this is drone footage of his unit searching for a massive column of russian tanks and armored vehicles. and this is the column after the droebls found it. he tells me. unit like his played a major role fending off russian troops despite the ukrainians being vastly outgunned. >> we don't want to. it is suicide. but the army, they have to stay. they're ordered to stay. >> reporter: nobody knows how many russians died here. but the group says it was many. taken out with the help of a band of amateur drone pilots looking to defend their homeland. and jake, one of the things that unit told me, they believed while they were out here, while
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they were conducting their operations. to them it was like the russians were fighting a 20th century war while they were fighting a 21st century war because their unit was so agile and they were able to provide that information so quickly. it helped pinpoint the russians very quickly. on top of the fact that the ukrainian military got some of the very modern u.s. and other western anti-tank weapons. that made a big difference as well. with you really, ordinary ukrainians coming forward and using their skills made a big difference. >> a fascinating story. fred pleitgen live from kyiv. thank you. back in the united states, the biden administration announced they will impose new sanctions, this time on russian institutions and on elites including putin's two adult daughters. a senior administration official tells cnn that u.s. officials believe the russian president might be hiding some of his considerable wealth with his daughters.
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mj lee is at the white house for us. what else can you tell us about the sanctions? >> reporter: let me lay out what some of the biggest targets are that the u.s. will be imposing. a fresh round of sanctions on russia. we are talking about full blocking sanctions on russia's largest financial institution swells russia's largest private bank. we are talking about a ban on all new russian investments. this would come that the president would sign. then targeting of individuals close to vladimir putin including his two adult daughters and sanctioning the wife and the daughter of the foreign minister, sergey lavrov. when we heard the president talking about all of this today, he basically promise that had the u.s. is ready to announce more punishments for vladimir putin as well as the russian economy. here's what he said. >> there is nothing less happening than major war crimes.
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responsibility nations have to come together to hold these perpetrators accountable, and together with our allies and partners, we'll keep raising the economic cost and ratchet up the pain for putin. >> reporter: of course the idea of going after putin's daughters, the belief is he maybe hiding some of his assets through his family members. i should note the white house is not saying whether they have an assessment of how many of his assets are tied up and what he still might have access to. jake? >> senior administration official also said they are not permanent. they can be reversed if the kremlin changes course. what do they need to do? is it a complete withdrawal? >> that's a good question. the reality is there is not some detail road ma'am that this administration has laid out for what exactly needs to happen for
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some of these to be rolled back. but as you know, one question that the administration officials have grappled with and have put out there. what is vladimir putin's end game. what is the point at which he says, okay, i'm recognizing that this war has been a failure. and just now in the white house briefing room, i asked jen psaki, the white house press secretary, whether the u.s. had an assessment of what exactly putin's end game is. what she said is that they can't really get into putin's mindset. that's a line we've heard before from the white house. but she stress that had they do not believe putin's strategy has changed. even though some of the tactics have changed, but the end goal is to weakening ukraine as much as possible. jake? >> all right. mj leave live for us from the white house. thank you. we're joined now by this person and her son. they were in kyiv them left when
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the war broke out. her husband stayed behind. how are you doing? how is your family? >> so really, i live near kyiv, 20 kilometers, and near this town bucha where the strategy was some days ago, we knew about it. and i spent with my family, with may two sons several days in the shelter. because my village was bombing. and then we moved to another city near kyiv. and also, this city was bombed and this nights in the shelter, in the uncomfortable call to end, my children were very afraid because of this. that's why we decided to move to lviv because it is west of ukraine. and it is safer here. still, we hear the air alarms every day.
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and of course, it is scaring, and my husband is staying in my village in kyiv and he is defending the territorial defense where the volunteers, the man who stayed there, they are controlling this territory. and of course, i miss him very much. but this is the reality. and of course, i don't want to be the refugee. i don't want to go abroad. i want to return to my village, to see my husband, to see my house. and i'm very afraid it will be safe, my house. >> yeah. >> but still, yes, here i am the volunteer and i am working for some initiatives and helping people and evacuating people from this regions. and i can say that my motivation is to do everything to help now
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ukraine to speed up this victory. and we are really afraid that this war will continue for years. it's awful. >> have you been able to talk to your husband? i know he stayed behind to fight. is he okay? tell us, has he told you what he has been able to see? >> reporter: he is okay. we are happy that everything is fine. and actually, russian troops, they went from our region sundays ago and now it is safe and quiet in our village. a week ago, it is all the time. there were explosions and damages, and even all the boy
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was died because of the explosion, so the station was very hard, very difficult. but now we hope that in kyiv, it will be more safe and probably will go home. in some weeks. >> ivan is sitting next to you. he's 10. you have another son, taraz who is 4. how do you explain to them what's going on? >> they understand the situation that russia is the aggressor country, and we have this war because this country attacked us, and they understand everything, the alarms and a lot of people that died. so we see this all the time in the news. and we cry about this children.
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because it is already 160 children died. and even not the full information. we don't know in mariupol what is going on. and things may be more awful when we will know what is going on in mariupol. so my children, of course, they are very afraid about this. but they believe that ukraine will be the winner. >> as you mentioned, you are working doing charitable work trying to help out. special when i the charitable foundation library country which raises humanitarian aid for librarians. why is that important to you? >> i work for this organization already for five years. and we are supporting libraries. but now in this situation, it is more important that people
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should be in safe place and that's why we gathered these donations from abroad and from ukrainians. and helping people to go out from these territories, for example, today, i met the librarians from mykolaiv on the south of ukraine. she was very afraid. she has the daughter who is ill and her health is being worse because of this explosion and the stress all the time. and we are helping now her, to buy some essential things. they are living without anything. without clothes. only documents. it is very, very stress for people because they don't know if their house will still be. that's why we're trying to help them. not only with money but psychological help. we are working psychologists and
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therapists. and we are speaking with librarians from mariupol and irpin, from all the cities that have this very bad situation and this strategy with this killing people. and actually, we heard that russians, they killed and teachers and teachers from kindergarten and librarians, first of all, they are bringing children. bringing up children. and that's why they are the first people who is in danger. >> yeah. >> that's why we are trying to help the librarians and also teachers. >> thank you so much. ivan, you were very well behaved during this entire interview. putin is trying to
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few weeks ago. grave diggers at the cemetery in lviv, western ukraine, today had to break ground in a fresh field to make room for the new war dead. repurposing the cemetery's adjacent world war ii memorial. to find space for the influx. ♪ >> today it is ukrainian army sergeant, 43, killed march 28th. and private, 33, killed on april 1st. both killed in luhansk, both men called to service after the russians invaded. the soldiers' families started this grim day at the saints peter and paul garrison church in lviv. as their caskets passed the crowds on the way into the church, their loved ones wept for those whom they lost to putin's invading army.
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the sounds of grief, combined with that of prayer. inside the formerly jesuit church, built in the 1600s, locals have wrapped historic statues to protect them from debris in case of expected russian shelling. after the service, a military tribute as mourners paid respects and gave flowers to the families. flowers always in even numbers. the presiding officer of the ukrainian parliament, basically the speaker of the house, stopped by to honor the fallen. >> i come here to all my honor and all may heart. the russians guilty of everything, crime for everything, genocide which they do in my land. i want the whole world knows
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that we never forget for nobody. >> the church is right next to this monument to the famous and beloved ukrainian poet who was exiled by russia's czar in the 1800s for advocating for ukrainian independence from russia, and for human rights. one of his most famous poems, or testament reads, when i am dead, bury me in my beloved ukraine. my tomb upon a brave mound high amid the spreading plain. cars, vans and buses full of mourners travel the short distance to the cemetery. caskets were unloaded. prayers offered. >> the ceremony of burial has been made shorter in order not to decrease the morale and the spirit of our other military. every day we have two, three burials here. and that is the price for our victory.
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>> and the military paid tribute with instruments of both art and instruments of war. >> we say heroes never die. we bury the body but the glory of these people will live forever in our hearts and our history. >> a spokesman for the city would only say dozens when asked how many locals have been killed fighting to defend their homeland from the latest russian threat. here nemt to the cemetery. spreading now in order to make room for the dead. coming up, how putin creates refugee crises purposefully, using innocent and desperate people in an effort to destabilize neighboring countries. no. he's currently checkinin' his investments. you gotta have a plan outside e the band, man. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do?
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topping our world lead, nearly one in ten ukrainians has fled to neighboring countries. one in ten. desperate to find safety and stability. more than half of those refugees have escaped to poland. that's obviously straining available resourcesate as cnn kyung lah reports now. this has long been vladimir putin's strategy. >> reporter: poland is already waging a war with russia. it is just not the kind you imagine. nearly 2.5 million ukrainian refugees have crossed into the safety of poland as war ravages their country. packing poland's arenas, lining up for government benefits, and
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sending their children to public schools. these innocent faces are part of vladimir putin's war of mass migration. >> it's kind of a callousness that we don't understand here. >> reporter: the retired aermt colonel alexander vinman is known as a crucial witness in president trump's first impeachment proceedings. he was also a child refugee from ukraine. his family moved to the u.s. in 1979. >> refugees have been a weapon for a long time. russia uses them as weapon forces years. >> how do you deploy refugees as weapons? >> you bomb the cities. women and children in particular. >> what is the theory? >> they're weaponized that people are flowing into countries that are not able to handle refugee camps that now have to spent money on those refugees. >> they destabilized poland a nato country, from within.
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that hasn't happened yet. >> poland, which was having a mixed message with regard to democratic activities and democratic backsliding has kind of gone back to its roots. it has been extremely well giving to the popular. welcoming ukrainians into their homes as members of the family. to putin, that is probably unexpected. >> reporter: but warsaw says the pressure is growing by the day. >> putin miscalculated. he thought he would divide the ukraine society. he lost. he wanted to divide us in the west. he lost. we are also waging a war against his effort to destabilize us and we have to prove to him that we stand united. we share the burden. >> reporter: we are just so thankful to poland, she says, something we hear again and again from ukrainians. nearly six weeks into this war. they hope good will lasts.
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>> reporter: there has not been any outward sign in that break of solidarity. but remember, we're just six weeks into this war, jake. the concern is that if there is another surge in migrants, another surge of refugees coming across the border into poland, none will be turned away. the question is, will they be able to provide the services that they have so far? the warsaw mayor saying the international community has got to help. jake? >> reporting for us from warsaw, poland. thank you. from russia's invasion to another season of war. coming up, anigan afghan reservist. we broke the story when he was finally freed and he will join us for his very first interview. that's coming up. stressed, dry and sandpaper. strypaper? why do we all put up with h this? when there's b biotrue hydration boost eye drops.
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we'll move southeast to afghanistan and bring you a cnn exclusive. the consequences of that very different war. after more than 100 days in capitalivity, and months of intense negotiations by the biden administration with the taliban, this person has been freed. he and his brother were detained in december while running an organization that provides humanitarian aid to afghans. he with his girl join us now, exclusively for his first interview since the biden administration secured his release on friday. and first of all, let me say, i am so glad to see you. this has been such an ordeal and i've been following it and keeping in touch with everybody. how does it feel to be back home? to be united with sami and your other loved ones after spending. so time being held against your
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will by the taliban? >> thank you for having me. it is such an incredible feeling. i've never felt like this before. and i hope i never have to feel like this again. and i'm so glad and so lucky to be back. so incredibly grateful to everybody that was part of it including yourself. thank you. and it is an incredible feeling. it hasn't settled in yet. i hope one day i'm sitting on my couch watching television and one day i can realize that i'm back and back in my home. >> how were you and your brother treated there? what was it like? >> you know, i want to simplify it for everybody. it is, it was being captive. everybody knows what that means.
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however, this was very different. people would say we're in prison. in prison, people get some rights including going outside, getting the glimpse of the sun, a glimpse of the sky. the place we were, we were in a basement. a very small room. eight feet by eight feet. the ceilings are about 12 feet tall. had a metal door that closed completely. 24/7, we were in that room until about 70 days. we were taken to the bathrooms. all of that was under guard. so it was much different than prison. so the isolation was getting to us. not being able to talk to anybody. that was the most difficult part. >> how have the last several months been for you knowing that
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safi was at the hands of this brutal regime? >> it was of course incredibly difficult but pales in comparison to what they were going through. we felt fortunate that at least we had a mission. we had to do something. and they're so used to being active and helping were stuck where they were. so the brother, myself, our teammate alex, our team at first coalition and so many others banded together alongside the u.s. state department, the british government, the qatari government, worked together to try to secure his release. so extremely difficult. so we're really grateful to be on the other end. >> and you were in afghanistan founded the human first coalition which provides humanitarian aid.
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you were working to help people. help afghans. you had worked the free people fleeing afghanistan, much like the other u.s. prisoner kushltly still being held in afghanistan. why is it so important to help people in afghanistan to you, so much so that you risked your safety. >> every story i looked at during this whole ordeal, it tells my own story. i was born in a refugee camp. i was a refugee for 17 years in pakistan. the russian war forced my family to flee afghanistan and thenley in a refugee status in pakistan. living there 17 years, and then finally being able to come to the united states. so looking at every one of those individuals, children, women, men, people, vulnerable people, minorities, all of those
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populations. everyone i looked at, i saw myself. and i just couldn't take it. i could not sit back. and watch it unfold, watch people suffer. people lost everything overnight. people lost jobs. people lost their living. people lost homes. people lost a way to feed their families. so i couldn't just sit back here, living a cushy life in washington, d.c. and watching all this on television. so i had to spring into action. not only that but some of those people i have worked with, and i know them personally. i couldn't just sit back and watch. and throughout my life, every time i have ever seen it, it is because of my parents that i have always sprung to action whenever there is a crisis going on. so putting my life on the line
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was the least i could do. >> we're so glad you're reunited. thank you so much for telling your story. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you for having us. >> all right. talk to you soon. coming up next, the shrinking supply threatening resources in western parts of the united states. stay with us. h i paid, it followed d me everywhere. between the high interest, the fees... i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. soso i broke up with my credit card debt and consolidated itt into a low-rate personal loan from sofi. i finally feel like a grown-up. break up with bad credit card debt. get a personal loan with no fees, low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. go to to view your rate. sofi. get your money right. ♪ as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. libey biberty— cut. berty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for whatch... line?
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we're back with our national lead and our earth matters series. a critical water source in the western united states is draining at an alarming rate,
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according to a recent report. lake powell, part of a system that supplies water for more than 40 million people. as cnn reports, communities are trying to department as fast as the water is drying out. >> reporter: just a couple years ago, this part of lake powell was pretty enough to put in the brochure. today there is no water. only sand. >> i can't paddle around it anymore. >> reporter: if you haven't been out west in a while, haven't seen the state of the colorado river and its reservoirs, you would be shocked. this is what powell looked like just last spring. when you could still float around lone rock. the satellite shows it losing island status as the lake level fell over 40 feet. >> and the lake used to go, it used to go half a mile around the corner. and now it starts way back here. i can't believe this. >> reporter: while hurricanes, floods and wildfires can upend
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your life in a moment, droughts are slow motion disasters, and this one is now in its 23rd year with the region's population booming and another winter without enough snow, there are no signs of relief. when you are houseboating on what's left of lake powell, it is still gorgeous. it is so easy to forget that just since the mid 80s, the water level has dropped 177 feet. that's like ten of these yachts stacked on top of each other. >> this is a temporary dock. get us to the marine. >> reporter: so the tourism industry has no choice but to adapt, making ramps longer as the lake gets lower. >> this was connected straight up there. >> reporter: at one point, you would have been high enough. this is not a decade or two. this is a year or two that it has dropped. >> yeah. this is within two to three years. >> if it continues to go
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for max, the changing cannons means for people eager to explore them in his rental kai akz and paddle boards but not enough safe places to put them in. and he knows that big picture, 40 million people and their animals and crops in seven state and mexico depend on colorado river water, not to recreation, but to live. >> i do believe climate change is a thing to a certain extent but i do believe the earth goes through cycle and this could be another cycle but i don't see any good evidence of it getting any better any time soon. >> in a first of its kind gallup poll, one in three americans say they've been personally effected by severe weather the past two year and for those who have, regardless of party, they are much por likely to say the climate crisis demands action. but only 3% say they've experienced drought. this may be because for most, tap water keeps flowing and here
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house boaters keep coming. >> what do you say to someone who sees this as proof, alarming proof of a man made climate crisis. >> some of it is man made. you have more users using the water out of colorado river. you have more -- you have more of everything than you had 50 years ago. it is that simple. >> would you label your business a victim of drought in. >> we've had to change the way, obviously the way we do a lot of things. at this point, i would not say we're a victim. i would say we're an adapting. >> as said, he would rather be known as an adapter and that is the rule going forward in the southwest united states, to adapt it so survive out here. places like las vegas are doing an amazing job when it comes do conservation. they pay a owner to tear up their lawn and doing a great job but the growth is just unstoppable. the population in arizona especially is growing, jake, among one of the desperate
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plans, they're thinking about desal inating water in the sea of cortez and in giving that to mexico for the share of the colorado river. so many movie pieces that treaties go back to just after the civil war and this is the new normal in the west and attitudes about it you could see change as people experience the pain which unfortunately is going to spread. >> all right, bill weir with that important report from lake powell. thank you so much. breaking news on capitol hill, the house of representatives is about to cast a major vote involving two former aids to donald trump. that is next.
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our live coverage of putins a war on ukraine continues in moments but we want to cover breaking news out of washington, d.c. any moment the house of representatives is expected to vote on recommending criminal contempt of congress charges against two former trump white house advisers. let's go straight to evan perez. what are we expecting to happen here and to whom? >> reporter: well, jake, these are two close advisers to the former president, dan scavino was deputy chief of staff, peter navarro was a former trade adviser to the former president. both of them according to the committee investigating the
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january 6 attack, both of them were deeply involved in some of the former president's efforts to try to overturn the 2020 election results and in the case of scavino, we know he was extraordinarily close. he would have been witness to many of what -- many of the events that led up to january 6. many of the efforts by the former president to orchestrate this effort to stop the certification of the vote on january 6. as far as peter navarro goes, we know he was also involved in trying to orchestrate with people, trump supporters in the states on this very issue. now, both of them have declined to cooperate with the committee. both of them say that it is not clear that joe biden, the current president, has the right to waive executive privilege and so that is one reason why they're refusing to cooperate with this committee, jake. >> evan, the justice department still has yet to act on the previous criminal contempt of congress recommendation from the
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house against former chief of taf mark meadows. is there any reason to think they're going to act this time? >> look, 114 days since they referred the mark meadows, made that referral to the justice department. we asked today, merrick garland, the attorney general about this, he said they're still doing the work and following the fakes and the law so it is probably going to take some time before we know. >> evan perez, thank you so much. the southeastern united states is bracing for another round of severe weather. this hour a new tornado watch was issued for parts of alabama, georgia, tennessee and north carolina. more than 40 million americans in the region could see heavy rains and damaging winds. this comes a day after severe weather in the south left two people dead. yesterday alone there were nearly 400 tornado reports across four states in the u.s. mary edwards took this video from inside of her car near savannah, georgia, she said to see it right before you is
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