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i'm alisyn camerota. welcome to cnn newsroom. >> i'm victor blackwell. 50 days into putin's war in ukraine, a new front is intensifying. the first russian troops have begun to show up in the donbas region of ukraine. it's the latest sign that vladimir putin's forces are about to launch a major assault in the east involving thousands of troops. with russian leaders aiming for victory by early may. now, satellite images show increasing numbers of russian troops and armored vehicles pouring into that area and we know the terrain is more open.
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>> so this video shows ukrainian forces training here on flatter ground. this is in luhansk. this will be different than the urban warfare in the kyiv area where russian troops retreated. today cia director bill burns warned it is possible that rush should could use low-yield nuclear weapons inside ukraine if putin continues to suffer setbacks on the battlefield. >> given the potential devastation by putin and the russian troops, none of us can take lightly the threat posed by a potential resort to tactical nuclear weapons. >> but director burns added that right now the u.s. has not seen any evidence of that kind of deploy m. ukrainians are scoring some victories, they made major headway in the battle at sea. the flagship of rub ssia's blac sea fleet is still burning.
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ukrainian forces say they hit the warship with a missile. russians admit to only a fire on board that forced the evacuation. >> let's bring in matt rivers in lviv, western ukraine, along with matthew chance. matthew chance, to you first. you reported from this russian warship in 2015. so how big of a blow is this to russian forces? >> i think it's a really big blow because, as you mentioned, the ship, "moskva," is the flagship of the black sea fleet. it's not just of military important value, it's an important platform for weapons systems, it carries cruise missiles, it's nuclear capable. but crucially as well, it's a platform which has a number of anti-aircraft systems on it. it provides air cover to a large area around where it's deployed. we got on board the ship back in 2015 when the "moskva" was
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deployed off the coast of syria. it was sent there with a blunt message by vladimir putin, the captain of the ship told me at the time that putin himself ordered the "moskva" to be sent to the coast of syria after a russian warplane had been shot down by the turkish air force just the month before. so it was designed and deployed to send a message that russia would down any aircraft that threatened the security of its troops on the ground. i expect it played a similar role in the black sea where it was, according to the ukrainians, struck by two so whatever happened to it, a huge blow to the prestige and symbolically to the russian navy. >> matthew, it's so interesting to see you on that very ship, on board there. matt rivers, so the first troops we know that left northern ukraine have begun appearing in the donbas as predicted. so when do officials think the new phase could begin?
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>> well, i think they're looking at this as part of this new phase already beginning. i think what we're seeing is these troops, according to this u.s. defense official, they were some of the first to leave northern ukraine, they're reappearing in the east, which is where we're expecting this new phase to begin. we're not talking about a huge number of troops yet. we're talking about some aviation support, command and control, some artillery units, basically it seems, according to this official, that russia is pushing in capabilities that will allow them to ramp up and support large numbers of other troops that will be coming in and lauchbling inglaunching tha. we're also keeping an eye on what russia is saying about being willing to strike decisionmaking centers in kyiv as a result of what russia says recent attacking ukraine launched across the border to russia, artillery strikes and alleged helicopter attacks. ukraine not commenting on those attacks but accusing the
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russians -- they say in the past, russia has been able to stage false flag attacks to justify further action in ukraine. that's what ukrainian officials say might be going on here. but it's something that officials in ukraine are worried about, this idea that russia could retaliate outside of just the east and target decisionmaking centers in places like kyiv. >> matt rivers, what can you tell us about this video on russian state tv of ukrainians drawing down arms, going over with russians. what do you know about it? >> i think the first thing we need to consider is the source. this is russian state media, not exactly the most authoritative source, the most trustworthy source. what we're seeing on russian state media are what russians are saying are ukrainian soldiers giving up in mariupol, throwing down their weapons and surrendering. that would be highly significant if, in fact, that was the case. mariupol has been under siege by russian troops for weeks now.
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it is seemingly teetered on the brink of falling to russian troops for a while. the ukrainians have held out there for weeks even as they have run out of ammunition, access to food, access to water, medical supplies. however, the ukrainian side at this point saying that none of this is true. that the ukrainians are still fighting, that mariupol is still being contested, but that this is just further example of the difficulty of trying to verify this information when cnn doesn't have a team on the ground there to simply see because it's too dangerous to be there, we're not embedded with the troops at this moment. so it's hard to say what's going on in mariupol other than just knowing how catastrophic the damage has been and how difficult the fighting has been. >> understood. matthew chance, matt rivers, thank you both. this afternoon, president biden talking about plans to send a high-ranking member of his administration to ukraine in a show of support. cnn's kaitlan collins is at the white house. who will it be? >> that remains to be seen.
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the trip, it's not fully clear it will materialize, but they're having discussions behind the scenes about sending someone high-ranking from the biden administration to ukraine. that comes after questions were raised about whether or not president biden would go or vice president harris after you saw the british prime minister, boris johnson, made a surprise trip there over the weekend. it takes a lot to get a principal like that into a war zone, that's why the white house is basically saying it's not likely that president biden or vice president harris will go at this time. but they have talked about maybe sending the defense secretary, lloyd austin, or secretary of state, tony blinken. those are two officials they talked about the most. of course, getting someone there takes a lot. you can't just fly into the airport. boris johnson took a car, a helicopter, a train ride, eventually that took several hours to actually get into kyiv. so that's really been a big question about that discussion. obviously, if they did send a high-ranking u.s. official to ukraine at this time, it would be incredibly significant, it would be the first time anyone
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of that caliber has gone to ukraine since the invasion started. and so that would be a big part of that. it would be a show of support, of course, in addition to what we're talking about with this military aid package that they're sending as well, talking about the physical support they're putting on the ground but also something more symbolic by having a trip like that. >> we'll see if that trip comes to fruition. we know the biden administration is expanding the intelligence sharing with ukraine, specifically on the donbas region, crimea as well. tell us more about that. >> yeah. cnn is told over the last several weeks they changed the guidelines for what it is, how you can share information, what you can share, how that information will look like. it's something they've been doing for several weeks now, but to share more information with them as what we're seeing on the ground is changing. that's the thing we've been talking about with the latest aid package, no longer are you seeing the russians trying to capture the capital of kyiv.
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they realized they could not do that, so they moved this to the eastern area of ukraine. so they're changing what they're sending them when it comes to weapons, but also changing what's happening when it comes to sharing information. that can be obviously almost as valuable as sending that weaponry and telling them that the intelligence they have on what the russians are doing. as we know, that intelligence has been pretty good. that was the same intelligence that officials were making public when they said they did believe putin was preparing to invade, others were saying they weren't quite chur it sure it that point that. so this goes on top of that 8$80 million package we talked about yesterday that was authorized as well. >> kaitlan collins, thank you very much. >> joining us now is richard haas. thank you so much for being back with us. let's start with this potential -- early days of talks of a high-ranking official from the u.s. government going to
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ukraine. the white house says likely not the president, the vice president. after that, the significance of the trip and does it matter who goes really, secretary of state or secretary of defense? >> it's symbols. i think the administration feels somewhat pressured to do it given that the prime minister of uk and other european leaders have been there. it's just that. it's a symbol. it won't affect anything materially on the ground in terms of the battle to come, the sanctions or anything else. it's representation that the u.s. is committed to president zelenskyy and ukraine, but there's other more tangible ways we've already made that clear. >> richard, let's talk about the battle to come. this onslaught that people are bracing for in the east of ukraine. do you think that putin has changed his ultimate -- i don't know about ultimate, but his current goal of building a -- now the goal would be building a land bridge from crimea to the
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donbas and taking some portion of the eastern flank of ukraine and then by may 9th calling it a victory of some kind and being done for the moment? or do you think that there is still the effort to get kyiv and take the whole country? >> he's obviously had to scale down his ambitions, not for a lack of ambition but for a lack of capability to realize them. this seems to be his plan for this phase. it's not obvious to me or anyone else that he's necessarily going to succeed. if he were to succeed, the question is whether that would just whet his appetite for more to use it as a base from which to attack and try to expand his control over other parts of the country. it's also possible he gets push back and then the question is how he reacts to that. this is very much in play. quite honestly it could go in any number of directions. my guess is that he will make some decisions based in no small
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part based on what happens on the ground. >> the president's characterization of what's happening in ukraine as genocide. this is the second time that the president and the u.s. government have not been on the same page. the first one was when president biden called putin a war criminal. is this strategic? is it clumsy? is it significant at all that the president believes that this is genocide, but the u.s. government has not made that classification and it's not changing any approach to the war? >> to me, the biggest question is what purpose does it serve? we can have a philosophical/legal debate about whether or not the russians have done to date is technically genocide. they committed any number of acts that fall under the category of war criminality. but the question is why talk about this in that way? does this make it easier to bring the war to an end? does it make it more or less likely that putin will hold off on escalation?
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does this pave the way to negotiation or reduce whatever slim chances there are? i'll be honest with you, i don't see the utility of doing this -- don't get me wrong, it's not that these are not horrific things, but my question is how does it serve u.s. strategic and policy purposes, and i'll be honest with you, i don't think it does. >> what do you think about sweden and finland considering applying to be a part of nato after being famously neutral. if vladimir putin's goal was to isolate ukraine and weaken nato, then it has backfired. but just tell us what your thoughts are as sweden and finland make this calculus. >> as you say, it's one of the 86 ways mr. putin's war, and it is his war, let's be honest about it, has backfired, has been counterproductive from his point of view. nato is far more dynamic, far more robust as an alliance than it was seven weeks ago.
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the idea that these countries, that for the entire cold war stayed outside the principle western security framework and are now contemplating going in and going in soon. again, it's right up there, say, with germany's shift on defense spending and sanctions in terms of radical changes. mr. putin has brought about in a relatively short amount of time. so when the tally sheet is drawn up, things like this will figure significantly. what i would call the strategic worsening of russia's position in europe and the world. >> vladimir putin said today he will continue to shift the energy focus to the south and the east. we know that europe needs, especially lickquefied natural s from russia. what's the repercussion of that or is this still a threat and he still needs that money from the west? where do you take that threat
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from putin? >> as you correctly say, he very much needs this money. oil is quite fungible. oil can be sent anywhere, he is already selling it to china and india. my hunch is he will be happy to do it if europe shuts russia off as they've been signaling today. gas is far less easy to turn around. you need pipeline systems or terminals to export and import gas in its liquid form. in that case, we're probably talking about years for russia to find a significant substitute. they'll have to lay a lot of pipeline or build some terminals. so i think coal and oil are near-term energy sources that russia could move quickly. gas is a far longer-term thing for europe and for russia. >> ambassador richard haass, great to see you. thank you. the alleged gunman in the brooklyn subway shooting makes his first court appearance. we have new details there. and the family of a black
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frank james made for that single terror related charge. as you said, he did not mention a plea. the prosecution took the chance here to kind of lay out some of the aspects of their case against him as they asked that he be held without bail. they mentioned that they believed james premeditated this attack, preplanned is and caused terror. the judge agreed and he will remain behind bars. we got to hear a bit from james, he only acknowledged the fact that he read the criminal complaint against him. but his federally appointed attorneys did come out afterwards and did not take questions from the press but had something to say. take a listen. >> what happened in the new york city subway on tuesday was a tragedy. it is a blessing that it was not worse. we are all still learning about what happened on that train, we caution against a rush to
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judg judgment. >> that attorney also requesting a medical attention to james because he has an issue with a leg and a psych evaluation which the judge also agreed to. >> did you learn anything about the possible motive or if there were plans for other attacks in court today? >> not in court today. they did -- they did tick through the evidence they've been building up against him. we learned a lot of this throughout the investigation. we know about all of those youtube videos that were online stretching for several days before this attack where he was talking about violence, where he was listing his grievances. so these are all things that are being certainly looked at at this point. also, remember, he had a stockpile of weapons inside a storage facility in philadelphia, which was raided by the fbi. keep in mind, the investigation is still ongoing. we know that the priority for federal and nypd law enforcement altogether was to get this guy,
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get him behind bars. now it's the grunt work of going through all of that evidence they collected in several different states and really looking through the youtube videos which have been taken down and trying to figure out if there's a motive and trying to see if they can bring more charges against him. >> brynn gingras at federal court for us, thank you very much. new york city police are crediting a teenager for helping in frank james' arrest. jack griffin was on a field trip at the time and captured these photos of the suspected shooter just hours before he was taken into custody. shimon prokupecz spoke to the 17-year-old and he joins us now. this is quite a field trip. more than the school had intended. >> well, he's hoping these photos win him some kind of an award. the school is talking about him. his teachers are talking about him. everyone is obviously proud just how gutsy he was and to have this presence of mind to see this individual and really identifying him almost
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immediately as he was sitting on this bench just looking ahead, not doing anything. he was shocked to see him, but he started thinking, okay, what can i do? first thing he thought was to pull the camera around his neck and he started taking photos. take a listen to what he told me this morning. >> right here from about 20 feet away, i saw frank james sitting down at that bench over there. so i got out my camera, and i quickly took a photo of the street, and that's when he noticed that he was being photographed. and he started walking away. it's crazy. i was looking for photos to shoot and found one of the most wanted people. >> they were down on the lower east side as a class project to shoot photos. this happened almost three hours before he was captured. so around 10:30 in the morning,
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he sees him sitting there. he does notify the police. they didn't get back to him right away. it was later that night they finally spoke to him. they did tell him, the nypd, they said his information was helpful because they were able to zero in on the location on the lower east side, that area, where they thought they might be able to find frank james. >> that's good. does that mean he gets the reward? >> that's the question his mother keeps asking me. he's 17. his mother is so proud of him. i got a chance to speak to her this morning and last night. i found him through twitter. he's very happy to talk because he thinks it's important that people do the right thing. if they see something, they say something. it's also remarkable how many people saw frank james and didn't call the police. i was talking to people in this area, one of the locals there where i was this morning, she said she saw him, but she didn't really think to do anything. then by the time she did realize it was him, he was already gone.
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i don't know. look, some people perhaps were afraid. i don't know. but his mother certainly -- this kid's mother is so happy he did the right thing. the school is very happy. his teachers. he's hoping he gets something. but he's happy to tell his story. >> that's great. shimon prokupecz, thank you for bringing that story to us. >> thank you. the first russian troops that left northern ukraine arrived in the donbas ahead of the expected military push in the east. it's putting added pressure on the biden administration to get aid to ukrainian troops faster. the pentagon now admits they are mindful of the clock. we'll talk about it. can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.ororg to find your cfp® professional. ♪ you're probably thinking that these two are in some sort of lover's quarrel. no, no, no. they're both inveed... in green energy.
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we're just getting this in. france announced that its embassy in ukraine would very soon return to the capital kyiv. now, the french embassy had been moved to the western ukrainian city lviv earlier in march. >> a senior u.s. defense official says the pentagon is working to get the latest 8$800 million worth of military aid to ukraine as quickly as possible and added that getting a package of that size overseas will take many shipments. >> the pentagon is also figuring out how to train ukrainians on some of these new defense systems. joining us now is retired army colonel liam collins.
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colonel, welcome back. you are the perfect person to ask this leading question here. we see some of what's part of this latest tranche of military hardware support. you helped train. where in this environment can that happen? can you train them with u.s. troops in ukraine or do they come to poland? where does it happen? >> yeah. i think now they have a train force. that's what we worked on over the last six years. they're trained and ready, it's just getting equipment over to them. it's a matter of getting these assets replaced to them. >> quickly, so ukrainians are theoretically trained on everything they're going to be receiving? >> not necessarily everything, but, i mean, some of the drones, for example, we are doing some training here before we sent those over. the helicopters.
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that's a helicopter they're familiar with and the howitzers. those may be something they have to spend time with, but it's not necessarily as technically sophisticated as some other things. we'll try to get them equipment that they're going to be familiar with. if they're not familiar with it, that does take time and it's not just as simple as rushing it out to the front. >> i want to talk about a couple of places where it appears the ukrainian army or soldiers are making strides. here's this warship, this was off of crimea. this satellite image was taken in early april. we can't get a satellite image now because the weather is not cooperating. however ukrainians say -- and the russians actually agree -- that that ship has been moved out because the ukrainians say their missile hit it. the russians say there was a fire on board and they had to evacuate. that's one place. the next place is in kharkiv. ukrainians were able to destroy this bridge as this russian convoy was trying to cross it.
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how big victories are these? are these symbolic? what's the significance of these? >> i mean, that russian ship, that's their largest ship in the black fleet. it's a very big, political significant and a moral victory for them to take that ship out that russia thought was completely safe operating in the black sea. is it something that will turn the tide? no, but it makes it much harder to conduct an amphibious assault in odesa without this ship there. whether the ukrainians did it or if it was a fire that caused a catastrophic chain reaction, either is damaging because the russians can't maintain their own ship or it shows the ukrainians can take down their biggest ship in the black sea. >> we know the focus is on the eastern part of the country here. but we heard from the russians that if there is another attack on russian territory, remember
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there was that fuel depot that was hit by helicopter attack in belgorod, that russians say they will attack decisionmaking centers, including possibly kyiv. how seriously should that threaten taken? there have been many threats from russians that have not come to fruition. how about that one? >> this is purely an idle threat. in the 2008 war in georgia, that was the first thing they tried to go after, command and control centers. same thing in 2014 during the annexation of crimea. server the communications, those command structures in the capital. this is is not new. russia has been trying to hit them to this point, they've been unsuccessful. it's a threat to deter ukraine from conducting cross-border attacks. this has been a primary focus, but russia has not been able to
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under way under its own power. we are no longer able to make that certainty today, this afternoon. we're not exactly sure that the ship is actually still able to make its own way. that's the upupdate. that's the best we can provide you in terms of what we know and feel comfortable speaking to. as for the impact on the russian navy, that is a little difficult to know with great certitude. they have and have had anywhere from a dozen to two dozen ships operating in the black sea and the sea of azov since the start of this. they have ports on the black sea. so they historically have operated there. it's -- it would be difficult to be able to tell you that this one ship being out of commission, what exactly the impact is going to have. the reason i say that is because the -- the naval component here to the war has been fairly
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limited to two things. one, cruise missile strikes inside ukraine, two, replenish and resuppliesty efforts in the south. they only conducted one amphibious landing. i guess it remains to be seen what the impact will be. that said, this is a cruiser. they only have three in this class. it's a ship that is roughly 600 feet long. a crew of almost 400 -- i'm sorry, almost 500 sailors on board. it's basically designed for air defense. that's what this ship is designed to do, not unlike our own cruisers. so, it's going to have an impact on their capabilities certainly in the near-term. whether it has an impact on their naval capabilities in the long-term is just -- it's just unclear right now. we don't have -- as much as i
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know we'd like to have and you'd like us to have -- we just don't have a better, clearer sense of the damage done and what impact it's going to have to the ship's future here in the near-term, whether she can and will be repaired and put back into service or not. we just don't know. david? >> earlier today, a defense official said that other ships in the black sea had sensince t explosion moved further away from the coast for whatever reason. does that change -- the fact that these other ships moved further away from the coast, does that change their ability to launch cruise missiles against targets inside ukraine or are they still in range? >> it -- i wouldn't -- i wouldn't take away from this that that will have a dramatic impact on their able to launch
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surface crews missiles into ukraine. they have a long range. the fact that some of them may have moved away from odesa and the coast doesn't mean they're completely incapable of maneuvering to other parts of the black sea and lunching cruise missiles. i don't think we'd be willing to go that far just yet. >> we hear about the airspace still being contested. the sea of azov, northern black sea, is that considered contested? in russian hands? >> the maritime environment? >> the maritime environment. >> i think -- you would be going too far if you said -- or we were to say that the northern areas of the black sea were not contested. that the russians had freedom of maneuver completely inside the black sea. i think that would be going too far. for a couple of reasons. one, the ukrainian navy, though small, still has operating craft. two, they do have coastal defense capabilities. you saw the brits giving them
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some coastal defense missile capabilities. we in the latest package are offering them some coastal defense -- unmanned surface capability. and, three, the issue of mines. we know that mines have been a factor, particularly south of od odesa. some of those mines could be free floating. therefore not moored to a specific area and could affect a navy's ability to freely maneuver in that maritime space. so while they certainly -- from just a purely naval perspective, the russians have superiority in the black sea to the ukrainians, more ships, more fire power, certainly more naval capability, we would not assess that they have achieved, you know, complete freedom of movement. so, again, they have used the maritime environment to strike
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inland. they have used the maritime environment to assault the mainland in terms of an amphibious assault. and they have used the maritime environment to intimidate and in some cases to try to, we think, in some cases try to pin down ukrainian ground forces near odesa. so they still have quite a bit of naval capability available to them. >> just a quick follow-up. when the embassy in kyiv was moved to lviv and then into poland, the marines moved out as well. >> correct. >> are they still with the contingent of u.s. diplomats in poland? have they dispersed? i guess i'm getting at that the french have said they will open their embassy in kyiv. if the u.s. were to make that decision, are the marines with their contingent able to move back quickly to kyiv or how does that work? >> i can't say definitively how many of the marine security detachment is with the now displaced embassy personnel.
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i suspect there's still some physical security being provided to them even though they're in poland. i don't want to get ahead of the state department's decision about their embassy in kyiv if, and/or when and how they might think about reacting. that's something for the state department to speak to. i would tell you that without getting into the hypotheticals here, the marines are very proud of their security responsibilities with respect to embassies and posts around the world and support to our diplomats. that would be an active part of any consideration of bringing an embassy back up to speed. it would be force protection and security for diplomats and clearly the department of defense would be a part of that discussion. there's been no decisions made. tara? >> thanks, john. of the few cruise missiles that have been launched by the russian navy into ukraine, can you tell us did these originate from the "moskva" or some of
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them originate from the "moskva"? >> i couldn't tell you for sure. this is a -- this is a cruiser by definition. it can do lots of things, but they're basically an air defense platform. so typically they're designed for air defense purposes. but i'm not suggesting that she wouldn't have offensive capabilities. we know -- i would tell you that we do know that some -- not a lot, but some cruise missile attacks into ukraine have come from the sea of azov and the black sea. i couldn't tell you if the "moskva" participated in that. >> on the u.s. visa, the u.s. will be providing them to ukraine, will these unmanned surface vehicles be armed or what will they provide ukraine? >> they are designed to help ukraine with coastal defense needs. i think i'll leave it at that. i won't get into the specific capabilities. they're designed to help ukraine
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with coastal defense needs. >> as the next tranche of 800 million goes in, is there any concern that because these are more advanced weapons, russia may contest those supply lines? have those supply lanes remain uncontested to this point? >> all i can do is tell you what we're seeing today. flights are still going in to shipment sites in the region. ground movement is still occurring of this material inside ukraine. every single day there are security assistance, weapons and material and support equipment that is getting into ukrainian hands and as we've said before, we'll keep doing that as much as we can, as fast as we can. there have been no -- we have not seen any russian efforts to interdict that flow. so we're going to keep doing it. as you know, we don't talk about the specifics of that flow so that we can preserve a measure of operational security and we
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constantly look at it every day, monitor it, change it, adapt it as needed. >> we've been listening to pentagon press secretary john kirby talking about what we were just talking about at the wall there about this russian warship. he says that they have been able to assess that there was a major explosion on board and some crew members had evacuated, but he's not sure what the state of that warship is now. joining us now is liam collins. colonel, just what we were discussing, which is something happened on board that russian warship. something happened that made them withdraw from the coast and possibly other military ships as well. but i think because of the weather, as we were discussing in those satellite images, the pentagon doesn't know exactly how bad it is on that warship or if it's still operational. colonel, can you hear me? >> yes.
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yeah. it's a significant blow to them. whether it's incompetence by the russians or an attack by the ukrainians, it's clearly pulling back and this is a blow to them. as john kirby mentioned, this is -- other russian ships are pulling further off the coast. it may not affect their able to launch missile strikes on to the mainland but russia is having a reaction to this which leads us to believe that it was a missile that struck it and not just a fire. >> it's an embarrassment either way, whether you're losing this asset, potentially losing it because of a fire or if it's a missile and the question is how much will this impact the capabilities of the russian forces? >> this is one of the questions that john kirby was talking about. in the near-term, it certainly has an impact. this is as ship used in air defense, along with the other one dozen or two dozen ships the
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russians have in the black sea or the sea of azov. so that may be i would you're seeing other ships, not just this but the russian navy has other ships there. this is the point john kirby talked about for a little bit there the russian navy has superiority in that domain. it has more ships. it has more powerful ships, and it has more capabilities, but the ukrainians as we've seen not only in the black sea but as we've seen throughout this entire conflict have used their, i would say, interior capabilities to their advantage. they have been able to keep the fight going in the maritime domain using their much smaller navy, using, apparently, they say, their neptune cruise missiles, and using their other options, their other weapons to keep the fight going on to keep posing a problem to russia's superior forces, and that has been a big story of the ukrainian resistance so far.
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even if it's one strike on one ship or one fire on one ship as the russians would like us to believe, it's a big problem for the russian navy. >> oren liebermann, colonel collins, thank you for staying with us. former trump presidential aide stephen miller is expected to appear before the january 6th committee. we'll have new details on that. stay with us. under budget too! and i get seven dadays to love t or my money backck... i love it! [laughs] we'll drive you happy at carvana. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six k indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neiva. think bigger. if you have this... and you get this... you could end up with this... unexpected out-of-pocket costs. which for those on medicare, or soon to be,
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another fatal police shooting of an unarmed black man is igniting controversy, this time in michigan. he was killed earlier this month after a traffic stop in grand rapids. police there just released several videos showing the incident from multiple angles. we have a warning for you, this video is disturbing. it's hard to watch. >> this begins with an officer stopping him. the officer says for improper vehicle registration. >> no, no, no, stop, stop. put your hands -- stop! [ inaudible ] >> you see there's a struggle here. both of them holding on to this taser. a short time later the man was shot in the head. cnn's omar jimenez is live in grand rapids, michigan, for us
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where there is a news conference with the family happening now. omar, what are you learning from this? what do they have to say? >> reporter: victor, this is really the first time we've heard publicly from the family since the videos of the shooting were released, and we just heard moments ago from the father of patrick, and i want to summarize what he said. he once said i didn't know in america there could be an execution. that's how the family has characterized what they have seen play out on video up until this point. he also said that patrick was his life and as patrick's life ended so, too, has his as a father. that's how he feels at this moment. this is a family that spread from the republic of congo. she says they ran from war and are surprised that here of all places her son was killed by a bullet. now we've also been hearing from
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the family attorney and throughout the recounting of this and the description of this that happened in early april, they have been in tears because, as you can imagine, at the center of all of this news and these protests and this investigation, this is a family grieving over the loss of one of their own. benjamin crump is the attorney that is -- one of the attorneys, i should say, that represents this family. the way he characterized this, this began as a traffic stop and ended with the use of a deadly force. take a listen to more of what he had to say as part of this press conference. >> when you think about george floyd and other atrocities by police, you can only imagine what was going through patrick's mind.
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as he tried to get away from this officer. >> reporter: you heard the family's translator as they primarily speak swahili. the investigation continues at the state side to figure out if this officer was justified in pulling his weapon or if he crossed the line, victor and alisyn. >> we'll obviously stay on this. thank you for your reporting. so today former trump white house adviser, stephen miller, is set to appear before the house committee investigating the january 6th investigation. >> miller is under subpoena. he resisted attempts earlier. the house panel said miller spread misinformation about the election and pushed officials to change the results. cnn's congressional correspondent ryan nobles is with us now. miller's interview comes after president trump reportedly authorized the lawyer to testify to this committee. what do lawmakers want to know from these witnesses? >> reporter: yesterday we know
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two members of the white house counsel's office, patrick philbin, did sit for what they describe as informal interviews with the january 6 select committee yesterday. what is significant about that they did so only after the approval of president trump. we've seen this as a pattern where a number of allies were either under subpoena or spacing legal challenges by the january 6th committee finding ways to get in front with the blessing of the former president but at the same time escaping the legal repercussions that could come if they choose to fight a subpoena request from the january 6 committee. ultimately what this means the committee is getting closer and closer to the former president himself. stephen miller, one of his closest allies, someone who was in and around the oval office and as you point out, victor, was part of that group of people th w


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