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. a major blow to the russian military in ukraine. russia admitting one of its most important washiprships sunk in black sea. the ukrainians took it out. russia denies that. but the ukrainians' claim is believed to be credible. a 26-year-old black man was shot dead by a police officer during a traffic stop last week. the latest on the investigation coming up. and cnn's reporter in shanghai, china giving us an up close look at life under covid and the week-long lockdown. >> reporter: the extent of my freedom is all the way to here, the compound gate. still double locked. it's been like that for almost a month. >> weeks long, i should say.
we want to talk to general hurley to help us break all this down. general, good to see you. thanks for being here. if ukrainians did take out the ship, what is the fallout and what does it do to russian morale? >> if ukraine did strike this, and truthfully, don, i believe they did. all indicators are that they actually conducted the operation that did that. it's more than just a missile strike, too, there is a lot of things involved in a hit like this. what i would say is it shows the russian navy that ukraine is capable in striking all targets. and, you know, this is a $750 million warship, a crew of over 500 people. it has the admiral of the black sea fleet aboard. it's called a flagship or command control ship. i actually had the opportunity to go on a command control ship in the mediterranean, and they are defense vessels.
the communications suite of the one i was on was phenomenal. what does it mean? first of all, it's taken out of command control mode. it's probably killed over 400 russian sailors. it has gotten either an admiral killed or some reports are saying that he's been arrested now, but those reports aren't confirmed, and it shows the capability of the ukrainians force, a force, by the way, without a navy striking a naval ship of the russian federation. a tactical strike, don. it's nothing more than that, but it has strategic implications because of the damage and the effects that it has on the russian military. >> general, we are learning tonight that ukraine's second largest city of kharkiv has come under shelling and they are hitting residential areas. that is according to ukraine's regional military leader there. what is russia's goal at this point? >> don, as you take a look at the map you have up in front of you, it really is an approach
from the north through kharkiv down to the town of izyum where they're attempting -- the russians are attempting to pour forces out of belvarad, which is right across the border and further to the north from kyiv. they are attempting, as we said before, the ukrainnian forces fighting in donbas, and russia's strategy is to take out a piece of ukraine, not only the donbas but south into the mariupol through kherson into potentially mykolaiv and into odesa. so they're looking for a slice
of ukraine that mr. putin can claim as victory after he was so thoroughly defeated to the north of kyiv in the first couple of strategic objectives that he has. so they are forcing their russian army into that area. what i'd say, as i told you the other night, they are going to have a problem in terms of -- they, russia, is going to have a problem reinforcing those attacks, because truthfully they just don't have the capability or the force to do that. it will be ugly at first. they will push some forces down there. they will certainly begin to attack cities like they're doing right now in kharkiv and probably a few others in the donbas region. but they don't have the capability to either occupy or subjugate the ukranian army or their cities. >> general, as russia focuses on eastern ukraine, tell us more about how this fight is changing and how long ukraine can last. i guess it depends on the
weapons they get and how much weapons russia brings in, but can they win, ukraine? >> i've said this before, don, and i'll keep saying it. yes. right now my assessment is ukraine will win. not can they, they will. they have the potential for a flexible force under some very good leaders with good command and control, and they will fight in a very different way in the east than we saw them fight north of kyiv. russia has to do a couple things. they have to regenerate a force. they are not capable of doing that. in my view they just don't have the manpower. they have to fix their logistics chain from russia into this area. i don't think they're going to be very successful doing that, and then the russian commander
dvornovik will try to force troops out. the ukranian force will have to make sure his force is flexible and take action to fight them. the russians haven't shown a very good method and process of getting logistics to their front line forces, and what i mean by that, fuel, ammo, food, medical aid. the ukrainians forces will now be stretched thin because they're depending on a lot of reinforcing logistics from the west to keep this fight going. we're seeing that happen. it may be tougher. you know, the ukrainians have basically had one supply line at the early parts of this fight, but now they're having multiple supply lines from multiple nato countries coming into the area of operations. and i believe they're going to be able to sustain this fight.
>> all right. general, thank you very much. we appreciate it. talk to you soon. >> don, thank you. putin and the invasion of ukraine bringing finland and sweden closer and closer to joining nato, which makes russia threaten more troops on the ukranian borders. the director of cia warning today that the threat of russia resorting to tactical nuclear weapons cannot be tin lightly. >> given the potential desperation of president putin and the russian leadership, given the setbacks they've faced so far militarily, none of us can take lightly the threat posed by a potential resort to tactical nuclear weapons or low-yield nuclear weapons. >> let's discuss now with former ambassador to ukraine steven
pfeiffer. whenever russian threats come up, it's a cause for concern. how should ukraine handle threats from russia? >> putin talks about ukraine a lot, and it's designed to make us in the west nervous. so as the director of the cia said, we cannot risk the possibility, but we should not be overly concerned about it, because that's exactly what putin wants. >> ukraine has shown the west to be even less formidable than they were a few weeks ago. will putin resort to sabre rattling to just look tough? >> i think you have a little bit of that sabre rattling, but what putin is hoping for is that his
russian military it succeed on the ground in taking ukraine lou donbas. they had to retreat. they were defeated in their effort to take kyiv. it's not clear that they have the manpower, and it's not clear they have the determination. one thing to remember here is the ukrainians have determination. they understand this is an existential fight. if they lose, they lose their democracy and they lose their vision at becoming a normal european state. the question then becomes if the ukrainians defeat the russians, then what does putin do? usually a tactical nuclear weapon would be a big step and a potentially dangerous step so my guess is at the end of the day, he doesn't want to go there. >> one of putin's claimed reasons for this violence is
because of nato moving closer to russia's borders. but isn't he now strengthening nato perhaps by his own actions in ukraine? >> if you look at russian policy toward ukraine over the last several years, it has been a string of potential favors. it has generated concern on the part of its neighbors. >> they're now coming to the conclusion that these cities are best served if they know people from nato, and within six weeks, the party will probably result in being asked. this will reinforce the russian tendency and has the opposite impact that the russians would
like. >> ambassador, we've seen round after round of heavy sanctions between the u.s. and its allies. now there is a contract to send to ukraine. >> we're now beginning to move beyond weapons that the ukrainians can learn to use very quickly that will take some training time, but they're beginning to provide some heavier weapons, artillery pieces, armored vehicles that i think will increase the wherewithall of the ukranian military to withstand russian attacks. the one loophole on western sanctions are the continued dependence in western europe on gas in russia. unless we can sort of close that, there will be many going to russia.
>> there was a lot of talk about sending a high rif rated official to kyiv. we saw boris johnson visit. is it time to send someone high-profile from the u.s.? >> that would be appropriate. when you talk about the president or vice president, i think the president would like to go. the security package that has to go can be pretty big and it may be hard with a covert. they could do it in a way that would be more stealth i, and i think that was. >> let me jump in here because you say that's a pretty big -- what did you call it, container
or what have you -- >> precisely. >> but they do it before thanksgiving, the president pops into iraq or afghanistan, wherever we have troops, in bagram or what have you. i suppose since he's going to a base, that makes a dimfference? >> he can fly into a security craft that makes going into iraq and afghanistan, you didn't have the kind of air defense capabilities that the russians do have positioned around ukraine. if you were trying to fly to kyiv, we would be possibly in the midst of constrictions. >> people will be pretty conservative about that. >> thank you, ambassador. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i want to head out to the key
sample. the city has been demolished. officials claim that spoke to one woman who could refuse to get out. >> she thought her most -- underground shelter koording leaf supplies of the trapped civilian, people are getting bombed and destroyed. >> they encourage even children to go out. >> day by day, it showed mariupol unraveling. she lost touch with the outside world. none of her friends or family
living outside the city knew if she was alive or dead. life here was falling into an abyss. >> it was like the middle ages. >> it was like the middle ages. >> yes. >> it was like you could see yourself running out of time. there was only so much longer you could stay in mariupol. >> i vowed i would never go from mariupol until the end. >> reporter: on march 15, she evacuated. she recorded two short videos right before going out, after seeing a mother, a grandmother and two young girls. >> we saw this family and we decided to help them. >> reporter: at one of the russian military checkpoints, they stopped beside a soldier. >> he began to shoot. >> reporter: one of the bullets pierced the hair above her head.
the russians, realizing her mistake, sent the girl to a hospital. now katya, now separated, didn't know if the young girl had survived. until -- >> cnn found miyenna in the basement of a children's hospital in eastern ukraine after surviving life-saving surgery. for katya, the relee was overwhelmed by the horrors she witnessed. >> i saw a lot of dead people, a lot of common grace on the street, for example. and i started to believe that they're crazy. because -- like maniacs. >> reporter: they were like maniacs to you? >> yes.
♪ >> reporter: after escaping, katya remembered the videos show recorded before the russians ravaged mariupol, ukrainians protesting without the now well-known theaters. the city's buildings, unscathed. she sees the pieceful faces of families and children. the video is hard to watch. are these people alive or left in makeshift graves around the city? katya ureskaya doesn't know, and for her there's only one way to deal with this haunting reality. >> i decided that i will try only when ukraine gets a victory. >> cnn, ed lavandera, ukraine.
more than 400,000 people have fled ukraine since the invasion from russia. some stayed as they tried to find refuge and safety for their families. >> reporter: is there a difference between how others were treated compared to your family? >> a big difference, she says. the help goes to ukrainians with clothes, food, even when it comes to our children. young people are treated l like don't know what, she says. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living wiwith diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second sca i know my glucosnumbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better ani've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c.
ukrainians fleeing since russia invaded them almost two months ago. they are also from roma, europe's largest ethnic authority. they say they are not being warmly welcomed and they are facing shelter in poland. >> since they left ukraine, this has been life for refugees in poland. >> you're just moving from sth shelter to shelter. >> reporter: yes, she says, after leaving ukraine where her husband fights in the war. children have watched as other refugees moved out of ukraine into plush apartments.
do you notice a big difference? a big difference, she says. roma people are treated like i don't know what, she says. to be clear, these families are all ukranian, but they're not considered white. they're roma, europe's largest ethnic minority. among the millions of ukrainians fleeing the war, russia estimates 100,000 are roma. roma groups are in poland. he is also roma and he is a volunteer in poland. on this day he is going from shelter to shelter picking up roma families. >> this is racism. >> reporter: she runs the groups helping roma refugees. >> nobody wants to take them from different cities, from
russian shelters, as volunteers. >> reporter: across poland? >> across poland. imagine being those people. it is impossible. it is impossible if you don't have money. >> her daughter fell asleep immediately once she was on the bus. horp how hard has all of this been on all of the children heh here? it was hard in the shelter, she says. they stop at another shelter and pick up a woman who barely escaped shelling. and you're pregnant? >> seven months pregnant traveling with three-year-old twins. roma face a different housing
crisis, but just like the refugees, they have husbands fighting in the war. >> these are terrible circumstances. we need to have all refugees. i never thought we would have to deal with racism during the war. it was naive. it was very, very naive. >> reporter: cnn has reached out to the commission and different agencies. we did hear from warsaw who said it had not received any complaints from the roma community but that any complaints would be investigated. u.n. representatives have said they visited poland and other border countries in early march and that, quote, it did not witness any incidents of discrimination or racism. kyung lah in poland.
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the family of patrick leolia who was shot in a traffic stop. they're looking for justice against the cop who shot him. >> you love your first-born son. >> reporter: a mother grieving 26-year-old patrick leolia, a refugee who ran from war to save his life. in the u.s., running led to a struggle that cost him his life, wrestling with a grand rapids police officer who shot him. >> taser! >> i'm surprised that i should see that my son has been killed with a bullet. >> it was a traffic stop, y'all. think about it. this wasn't a felony offense. this wasn't even a moving violation. >> reporter: leolia was unarmed, though in video, he appears to
be reaching for the officer's taser which deployed and missed leolia twice, according to the grand rapids police chief. but family attorney ben crump claims it would have emptied the taser. >> so there was no reason for him to have any intimate fear of the taser being used. >> reporter: grand rapids police say even after the taser was fired, it was still capable of producing an electrical charge. >> it would have the potential to cause great bodily harm, but not necessarily, and it's depending on all the facts of the case. >> reporter: police say a potential language barrier is part of the investigation. >> do you speak english? >> yes. >> he did tell the officers he spoke english, but he didn't speak it well. could he speak english? the answer is yes, but it's a second language. >> he adds that leolia was
likely confused and afraid when he ran. either way the attorneys say it doesn't justify a deadly escalation. >> police are trained to engage in this very thing. >> reporter: the police chief said the officer who shot leolia, a seven-year veteran on the force, is on paid leave as they investigate. whatever the outcome, patrick leo leolia's father is demanding one thing. >> cnn, grand rapids, michigan. >> joe jackson is here. how you sdmoog. >> i'm good, don. good evening to you. >> what do you see when you see this footage? >> it's horrifying. when they really assess this, it's going to be predicated on three things. it's going to be predicated on, number one, was the officer in
immediate fear of death or serious bodily harm? number two, were the actions of the officer in shooting proportionate to the threat that was posed? and number three, did the officer act reasonably? when you look at this, what's troubling is, you can argue that, of course, patrick is noncompliant. but with respect to him being physically assaulted, that's another issue, and there is a distinction between someone who is assaulted and someone who isn't. so to shoot someone in the head and beyond horrifying and troubling. we'll see where the investigation leads, but from what i see, this does appear to have criminal element with respect to what the police did. it's just troubling and did not need to happen. did you need to take your gun and shoot him in the head at that point? did you feel you would be killed yourself? was that response really
appropriate under those circumstances, and would other police officers in your position have done the same. i will argue those are the questions that have to be asked, and they're very troubling to me that i see with the investigation as it unfolds, don. >> the attorney said it was the officer escalating the situation. is there an argument that the officer is responsible for the struggle that led to lyolyya's death? >> i don't see the person that's dead really punching or swinging or attacking, so what means do you use as a police officer, and it's very horrifying, i could imagine, to be in that situation. i can't imagine. but did you need to kill someone who -- >> they said he went after the taser. >> so you go for a taser. could the taser have been deployed at that time? is a taser a deadly weapon?
did you feel the taser could actually shoot you? was he in a position, patrick at the time, in a position to kill or injure you with the taser? could the taser have done any of those things? why is he dead? that's the other question that has to be asked. could he have done something different so he was not dead. >> not to cut you off but i want to get this in before we run out of time. the policeman's body camera stopped filming during this. the officer thinks his body pressure turned it off. what do you think? >> it takes three seconds to turn a body camera off. a person who was there could have done that, but at the end of the day, there is footage of what happened. we can see what happened, so what happened was memorialized, we can all see it, the investigation looks pending, looks troubling, and i would not be surprised if criminal charges
more than 25 million people in shanghai have been under a harsh covid lockdown for weeks, stuck at home and unable to stock up on basics like food or medicine. but now some residents are getting a little bit of relief. china's governmental allowing m to venture outside and get some fresh air, but only within their apartment compounds. my senior colleague david culver is one of them, and this is an up-close look at life under weeks of lockdown there. >> reporter: a few steps of freedom granted to some shanghai residents, strolling their own neighborhoods as if taking in some strange new world. >> are >> where are you going to go? there's nowhere to go? >> reporter: this woman can't
hold back her joy, roaming the streets. government officials facing mounted pressure lifted some restrictions. for communities like mine without a positive case in the last seven days, that meant we could actually step outside our apartments. my neighbors enjoying the taste of relative freedom, and so, too, our pets, eager to stretch their legs, still keeping within the confines of our compound. the extent of my freedom is all the way to here, the compound gate. still double locked. it's been like that for about a month. in recent weeks we had to get community permission to leave our homes, mostly for covid tests, of which there were many. we could also step outside to pick up the occasional government distribution. today's delivery, a bag of rice. but even with heavy restrictions in place, we had it good. for now, at least. a majority of the city remains
in hard lockdown, kept to their homes, some hungry and suffering. this woman heard begging in the middle of the night, pleading for food and medicine for her child. and this man recording his dwindling food supply. then there were those who tested positive. tens of thousands being sent to cramped government quarantine centers, whose residents have described a host of problems, facilities that were quickly, and apparently poorly, constructed. inside shanghai, the panic stretching faster than the violence. the whole of the financial hub has other residents stocking up from sujo to guangho. this as the chinese association warns of more cases and publicly calls out shanghai for not effectively recovering the virus, shifting blame to local officials for allowing it to spread to other places.
forcing dozens of cities into full or partial week-long lockdowns. residents banging on pots to protest. most of the 24 million people in the chinese province confined to their homes for more than a month now. back in shanghai, the joys of freedom for some only takes one case nearby to send them back into their homes. a seemingly endless cycle. >> goodness, talk about cabin fever. there he is. david culver joins me live from shanghai. david, you golt a little bit of freedom, but we spoke earlier this week and they were taping your doors at night to make sure you weren't getting out. you were doing group orders with your neighbors. how is life under lockdown now a few days later? >> yeah, don, it's still relatively difficult to get the reliable source of food.
in my community because we haven't had a new case in the past seven days, it does mean we have a little freedom in that mid-tier of categories they've created. it's nice to shut the door behind me even if it's a couple alleyways. some people are still under the harshest level of lockdown, and they want to determine what lockdown level we're into, and if there are no cases nearby, what your release date is. it's like prison, don. >> so you reported this mounting pressure on the government to lift these lockdowns. what does that look like in china, and will that make any change? >> so, generally here in the people's republic of china, there is just social acceptance,
right, of government policy that will go mostly unopposed. an all-powerful central government in exchange for prosperity for all, and with it plenty of access to basic necessities. but when the government falls short on providing that like we've seen with these lockdowns, people get desperate and they start to protest on it. they resist quarantine physically and they voice it in ways that don't immediately get censored for solidarity. will things change, don? not likely. president xi is imposing this mandatory lockdown and it's not going anywhere. >> did feel good to deplane? >> yeah, i'm in the middle one, so hopefully it stays that way, but we could get to day 14 or almost there and think we can walk around the neighborhood, and suddenly a new case surfaces and we're there around the
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the russian invasion of ukraine is creating the world's fastest-growing refugee crisis since world war ii. but this week's cnn hero is doing all she can to help. theresa gray, a paramedic and nurse from alaska, has sent self-sufficient medical teams to natural and humanitarian disasters for the past six years. recently, she and her volunteers traveled to romania, where they provided care and comfort to hundreds of ukrainians in need.
>> what we were expecting to see was large groups of people in tents. and actually, they are housing refugees in individual dorm rooms. they have got food. they've got shelter. but they've lost almost everything. this is filled with women, children, and elderly. there is a flu outbreak, currently, that obviously affects the children. we also have pre-existing conditions. it isn't just about fixing the broken arm, or giving you medicine. it's making that human connection. sometimes, you need to hold their hand, and walk 'em down a hallway and listen to them. we try to meet the needs of whatever presents to us. >> smile, everybody. >> human suffering has no borders. people are people, and love is love. >> to see theresa's organization in action, and find out how they
went the extra mile to help one ukrainian family, go to cnnheroes.com. ask while you are there, nominate someone you know to be a cnn hero. and in just hours, my new talk show "the don lemon show" premieres on cnn plus. be sure to tune in tomorrow morning, to see the first episode. here is a preview. this week, i spoke to ukrainian americans about the war. >> when i was in ukraine, and even talking to ukrainians here, the biggest response i get is when i ask about the russians and putin. the most passionate ones, whether it's, you know, people break into tears when i ask them about putin. you're not scared? your feelings about that? >> absolutely. >> what are your feelings? >> my feelings about that -- that, you know, he should step down or he should be made down to be stepped down. >> what do you think of him? >> i think he is anti-christ, terrorist, and a war criminal. [ applause ] >> you can watch and learn more about my show at cnnplus.com.
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with a qualifying bundle. this is cnn breaking news. hello. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i am john vause live in lviv, ukraine, on day 51 of vladimir putin's war of choice. the bottom of the black sea, sent by either a ukrainian missile attack or incompetence by russian sailors. either way, a huge b