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your "new day." have more on these stories all day on cnn and and don't forget to download the "5 things" podcast every morning, go to cnn's coverage continues right now. the breaking news and it is good news, russia has released u.s. marine veteran trevor reed from prison, this as part of a prisoner swap with moscow. we have all the details, a very good morning to you. i'm jim sciutto reporting from lviv, in western ukraine. >> and i'm bianna golodryga in new york. the u.s. and russia agreeing to exchange prisoners. u.s. marine veteran trevor reed who was convicted and jailed in russia has been exchanged for konstantin yaroshenko. last hour trevor's parents
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elated, spoke to cnn's brianna keilar. >> as soon as trevor was released, we were on the phone with trevor when the president called. so -- and he, again, totally gracious and wonderful and kind and said he looked forward to seeing us in the white house again. so -- >> and tell us how trevor is feeling. tell us what he said about this. >> he sounds kind of subdued. i think he's a little overwhelmed. >> he seemed to be in shock a little bit. >> they had moved him to another prison. they moved him to a moscow prison this week. we didn't know that. went to the same prison that i think paul wheewhelan was held for a long time. they flew him from there to turkey and then trevor quickly told us that the american plane pulled up next to the russian plane and they walked both prisoners across at the same time like you see in the movies.
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>> in turkey? >> in turkey. and then they were leaving turkey and in the air when he called us and told us this. so they're en route back to -- we believe to the united states, but they can't tell us for sure. >> what can you tell us about how he's physically feeling? >> trevor downplays how he's feeling. he said i'm fine, i'm fine. but, you know, we'll see. at least he's getting checked out. >> yeah, we're praying that he doesn't have tuberculosis, but we're concerned that he was coughing up blood for months. so it could be left overs from his covid, back in late -- middle of last year. so -- >> this is all pretty recent news, right? are you guys still in shock? >> yes, a little bit. >> we're -- we believe that meeting with the president is what made it happen and -- >> a tipping point for sure. >> joyous parents still in shock and a lot of credit is due to them.
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they have been relentless these past three years, making sure the country, making sure the administration, never forgot about their son's plight. and questions about whether it was his deteriorating health that helped expedite this. arlette saenz joins us now from the white house. let's begin with cnn's kylie atwood at the state department. kylie what more are we learning about how this process went down? >> we're learning from senior administration officials this morning that this effort was months and months in the working, on what they called a discreet problem set. this prisoner exchange for konstantin yaroshenko, a russian convicted of cocaine smuggling, he will be returning, he's on his way to russia. he is in russian hands right now. and, of course, trevor reed, who we should note, has been detained in russia since 2019, is on his way back to the united states. but it is quite remarkable that this occurred while the russians are still continuing to invade ukraine, while this war is going
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on. and senior administration officials made it clear this morning, in discussing the release of trevor reed, and how much they welcomed this, that this will not change the biden administration's approach to what is happening in ukraine. they called this a limited discussion, it had no impact on any diplomatic conversations beyond what they were focused on, getting trevor reed home. we should also note, guys, there are other americans who are also still detained in russia. so while this is welcome news, the biden administration is still focused on getting those americans home. and we don't know exactly when trevor reed is going to land here back in the united states. we are in touch with his family, looking to hear more from him, but it has been a treacherous few years for him, and this, of course incredibly welcome news to his family and the biden administration. >> that's right. brittney griner, the wnba and
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paul whelan still in detention. arlette, president biden in his statement said the negotiations required difficult decisions. do we know what those difficult decisions were, specifically? >> well, jim, the white house has yet to detail what exactly the decisions were. but president biden did describe those secret negotiations, the decisions that were made were difficult ones. it is remarkable that this prisoner exchange happened given the state of affairs between the u.s. and russia as russia continues to wage its unrelenting war against ukraine. now, you heard the parents of trevor reed say they were on the phone with their son, shortly after his release, when president biden called them, and in a statement this morning, president biden described that phone call with trevor reed's parents. he said, i heard in the voices of trevor's parents how much they worried about his health and missed his presence. and i was delighted to be able to share with them the good news about trevor's freedom. now in his statement, the
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president went on to thank the government officials and diplomatic officials who helped secure the release of trevor reed, and he importantly noted the negotiations that allowed us to bring trevor home required difficult decisions that i do not take lightly. his safe return is a testament to the priority my administration places on bringing home americans held hostage and wrongfully detained abroad. we won't stop until paul whelan and others join trevor in the loving arms of family and friends. the president making clear that they still have this utmost priority to try to return american hostages or detainees held abroad back to the united states. now, the family of trevor reed met here at the white house, with president biden, at the end of march, after they had been protesting outside. and you heard joey reed, trevor's father, describe that meeting as a tipping point, they believe that that helped push president biden to get the release of their son trevor
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reed. the reed family said president said hopes to welcome them soon to the white house, the reed family saying they want to give the president a big hug and that the president told them he wants to give them a big hug back. a moment of celebration for both the president and the family and trevor reed as he's returning to the united states. >> good to see a happy moment on his way home. kylie atwood, arlette saenz, thank you so much. i will speak to state department spokesman ned price about the swap, what was behind it, what were the difficult decisions, also crucially what are trevor reed's health conditions right now after his long captivity in russia. my one on one coming up in minutes from now. as we wait for that conversation, ukrainian officials acknowledge that they have lost several towns in the east as russian forces intensify their offensive there. >> cnn international security editor nick paton walsh is in kryvvi rih, ukraine, where russian forces have been trying to encroach. what more can you tell us about
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what is happening in that region, nick. >> reporter: it does appear to feel it is a russian target. we have seen to the south of here, over the past days, numbers of villagers changing hands, back and forth, and certainly i think it is fair to say some sense of russian progress towards here, ourselves about 20 to 30 miles to the south, seeing how russia is shelling, moving into areas rendering them inaccessible to the ukrainian military and causing many locals to flee. also, too, though, reason for fleeing, there have been 7,000 at least civilians who have come into this city, according to military commander here is a referendum to the south. remember kherson, first city russia took at the beginning of the war? today they were supposed to have been a referendum by all accounts from locals, a sham vote, to try and suggest popular support for that region becoming its own, quote, people's republic and closer to russia,
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gentrifying the occupation, essentially. as far as we understand, that referendum has not occurred, some kind of collapse in that propaganda messaging strategy by the russian occupiers there who have since chosen to appoint their own officials, the local government, but the referendum caused so many to flee, fearing intensification of russia control after it, and the possibility that their younger sons could be conscripted into the russian military maneuvers there. a lot moving here in this southern part of russia's offensive. >> nick, overnight, there were several blasts in russia, and not first time we have seen them in recent weeks, specifically regions bordering ukraine, among them a fuel depot there. it has been interesting because ukrainian officials have been cagey about claiming any sort of involvement in these events. until today. what more you learning? >> yeah. i mean, blasts heard in belgorod, fire at an ammunition
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depot there, voronezh and kursk, all key to the infrastructure. and it doesn't take a genius frankly to work out who might be behind this pattern of blasts we have seen on the border areas. but the defense ministry, the part of the military infrastructure of ukraine have been tight lipped. but a presidential adviser suggested that this is sort of part of a debt that had to be repaid to russia and even suggests this might be ukraine's version of demilitarizing russia. now, that borrows the language clumsily used by moscow to suggest the campaign was trying to dismantle ukraine's defensive infrastructure. but it is a widening, certainly potential of the conflict if these strikes become more common if that's what they inside russia and it speaks to the confidence that seems to imbue the youkrainian campaign and th war is heading into the third month, jim. >> and extending now it appears
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beyond ukraine's borders. nick paton walsh, thanks so much. another extension of this war, beyond the battlefields here of ukraine, poland's prime minister accused russia of a direct attack, this after moscow halted natural gas supplies to both poland and bulgaria, part of russia's response to sanctions from the west. >> the commissioner is calling this blackmail. cnn business correspondent claire sebastian joins us with more. claire, how is the european commission responding to this? >> very strong language about this, she called it blackmail, provocation. her comments had really two audiences. on the one hand, trying to reassure europe's gas customers that everything was going to be fine this is something that poland and bulgaria echoed today, no immediate disruption, but it was also a message to russia, she said, this is our --
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response, they're already receiving gas from the european neighbors in a clear sign of solidarity. part of the strategy is not only to deploy its most effective economic weapon, but also potentially another page out of its typical playbook to reveal divisions in europe, not everyone said they won't pay in rubles. so trying to counter that with this message of solidarity. for its part, the kremlin says this is not blackmail, it said the west and europe brought this on themselves with the sa sanctions. europe was given fair warning and the fact they refused to do this is why it happened today. a clear warning that it could face a severe recession if its gas was cut off. >> 40% of germany's gas comes from russia. russia can call it whatever it wants. this is blackmail, they are weaponizing their energy sources. claire sebastian, thank you. coming up next, state
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department spokesman ned price joins me live with details on the prisoner swap that just freed american trevor reed from three years in russian detention. plus, newly released text messages show how a pennsylvania republican repeatedly asked the white house to push investigations into election conspiracies. hear how congressman scott perry responded to cnn's report. and utility stocks skyrocketing for many americans, as consumer advocates call for a moratorium on shutting off services. >> am i going to have to take out a second mortgage to pay an energy bill? that doesn't make any sense. and wasting up to 20 gallons of water. skskip the rinse with finish quantum. its activelilift technology provides an unbeatable clean on 24 hour dried-on stains. skip the rinse with finish to save our water. throughoutistory i've observed markets shaped by the intentional and unforeseeable.
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reed is now free after nearly three years detained in russia, reed just released as part of a prisoner swap for a russian citizen who was convicted of drug smuggling here in the u.s. reed was detained following a physical altercation in russia in 2019 that resulted in a nine-year prison sentence. joining me now to discuss, state department spokesman ned price. thank you for taking the time this morning. >> good to see you, jim. >> so first, he suffered some health issues while in prison, claims of mistreatment, do you have a sense of his condition now? >> well, we do. we do precisely because our special presidential envoy for hostage affairs roger karstens was able to meet trevor today. the two of them with a team are en route back to the united states today. trevor was in good spirits. he's looking forward as you might imagine to being reunited with his family. and that's something that will
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happen within the coming hours. this is a good day for the united states. it also speaks to president biden's commitment in this entire administration's commitment to do everything we can to secure the release of americans who are held hostage or otherwise wrongfully detained around the world. i think our track record speaks for itself. we have been able to secure the release of wrongfully detained americans from places like afghanistan, from places like haiti, from places like burma, places like are venezuela and now as of today, russia and we'll -- our work is not yet finished. of course we're going to continue at it. there are other cases that the team is working on day in and day out. >> one question in the president's statement, he referenced difficult decisions involved in gaining this release. what was he speaking about specifically? >> well, in order to secure this release, which we prioritized, of course, because trevor has been held against his will for nearly two years, he also has a
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health condition that was a top concern of ours, trevor was released just as the sentence of a russian pilot was commuted. this was a decision that the president made, it was a decision that was predicated on the fact that this russian individual had served the majority of his prison sentence for a nonviolent drug crime. and, again, our overriding priority was the safe return of trevor reed, knowing -- not only he had been held against his will for far too long, but that his health condition required urgent treatment and he's going to be able to not only be reunited with his family, but to receive the treatment he needed from the united states. >> as you mentioned, there are two other americans being held there now. brittney griner, wnba star, and paul whelan. can you update us on the status of their cases? >> so the case of paul whelan is one we continue to workday in and day out. paul whelan is wrongfully detained in russia. the team continues to do everything we can to seek his
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release from russian custody. when it comes to brittney griner, we're working very closely with her team, her case is a top priority for us. i can tell you that with the utmost certainty. we're in regular contact with her team. we regularly are engaging through our embassy in moscow with their counterparts to see to it she is treated fairly to see to it we have the consistent access to her, and that the russians are required under the vienna convention to provide. we will continue to pay very close attention to this case. to seek its resolution as we seek the release of paul whelan. >> paul whelan, brittney griner still there. i want to ask you, i know it is our reporting, cnn's reporting this was a very discreet discussion focused entirely on this case, not broader issues. but fact is it does show there are diplomatic channels open between the u.s. and russia. are those channels being used, are there other channels open discussing the situation here in
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ukraine and a possible diplomatic way forward? >> well, jim, i want to be very clear about this. in our engagement with the russians in order to seek the release of trevor reed, there was one issue and one issue discussed. it was the case of trevor reed. as i said before, the individual who had a primary hand in this, our special presidential envoy for hostage affairs, the key word in his title is hostage. when roger karstens deals with other countries, with regimes, he's talking about one thing and one thing only and that's americans who are held against their will. unfortunately we have not seen on the part of the russians any sincere desire in the various channels of communications they have with our partners around the world who have sought to foster diplomacy, who have sought to lend their good auspices to dialogue between russia and ukraine. our french allies, german allies, israeli partners, turkish partners and others have
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been attempting to foster dialogue between russia and ukraine at every turn. it has hit a dead end, not because our ukrainian partners are not serious, they're very serious about sitting down, about having good faith discussions and negotiations with the russians, the challenge and the problem has been the russian federation at every turn. they have engaged in nothing more than the pretense of dialogue and diplomacy. that's what we're seeking to change by continuing to support our ukrainian partners and continuing to hold and to put pressure on the kremlin itself. >> to be clear, there are no direct u.s./russia channels discussing the war in ukraine today? >> we have an embassy that is still functioning in moscow. our embassy is in touch with their counterparts, the russian ministry of foreign affairs, but those issues tend to be narrow, tend to be very bilateral in nature, and unfortunately we have not seen any willingness on the part of the russians to engage with our partners or to engage with ukrainians on their conduct in ukraine or the course
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of this war. >> okay, another topic, cnn has obtained exclusive new photos and video showing what appear to be atrocities in the city of bucha. we will warn you as we will our viewers, the images are graphic. what they show are ukrainian civilians lying dead on streets of bucha, drone video showing what appeared to be russian tanks in the same area as the same time. these images provided to cnn by international prosecutor who is now investigating war crimes in that city. i know this is a topic that you and the state department has been following very closely. can you tell us about progress in any efforts to gather evidence for and investigate these alleged atrocities by russia? >> well, jim, just as you alluded to, we're continuing to work with our ukrainian partners precisely to gather that evidence. and what we have seen in bucha, it is horrifying, it is gut wrenching, but may not be unique. it may not be singular in the
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context of bucha. as we have seen, as the russians are forced to withdraw from various towns and cities, we are seeing a receding tide of brutality and atrocities, atrocities that have constituted war crimes by russia's forces. so we are supporting the work of the ukrainian prosecutor general, she and her team have launched a criminal probe, they're collecting evidence, we're helping them to analyze that evidence, to preserve that evidence and as appropriate to share that evidence with our partners around the world. in the first instance, though, we see the ukrainian prosecutor general and her jurisdiction as a means by which to ultimately hold russian actors criminally accountable for the war crimes that they have committed. that's something that we're doing to -- some for the of her, also something that we're doing with our partners and allies around the world to support that work. >> certainly a story we're following close there he. ned price at the state department, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, jim.
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and still ahead for us, new audio reveals house minority leader kevin mccarthy's fears that fellow republicans might incite violence after the insurrection. >> tension is too high. country is too crazy. i do not want to look back and think we caused something or we missed something and someone got hurt. >> and we're just moments away from the opening bell on wall street. futures are mixed right now. traders are eyeing a higher start this morning following nasdaq's early 4% -- nearly 4% plunge yesterday. u.s. stock futures getting a boost from the tech sector, especially from moicrosoft, wit shares up 5% after a better than expected quarterly earnings report.
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now to that bombshell reporting overnight from the new york times. new audio highlights how concerned house minority leader kevin mccarthy was about far right gop members possibly inciting violence in the aftermath of january 6th. take a listen.
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>> well, he's putting people in jeopardy and he doesn't need to be doing this. we saw what people are doing in the capitol. you know, and tension is too high. the country is too crazy. i do not want to look back and think we caused something, we missed something and someone got hurt. i don't want to play politics with any of that. >> so let's bring in former republican pennsylvania congressman and cnn political commentator charlie dent. he's also the executive director of the aspen institute congressional program. charlie, always great to see you. listen, rational, responsible language, even, from kevin mccarthy. the only issue is that's not what we heard from him publicly over the last 15 months. what does that tell you about secretly and privately what he was saying versus what he had been saying out loud? >> well, bianna, this has been a continuing problem. not just for kevin mccarthy, but for other members of the house
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gop conference who privately have very serious misgivings and very angry with the former president, privately, and say things like you just displayed on the screen. that were quite rational and quite correct. but their public comments are very different because of the grip that trump has over the party's base, and, of course, in the case of kevin mccarthy, he wants to become speaker, and he needs to make sure that the fringe elements within his conference support him. and so he's trying to walk this very fine line, this delicate balancing act and i think it is a real problem because, okay, should he become speaker, and that we don't foknow if that wi be the case, should he become speaker, it seems like others have leverage over him and that would weaken his ability to govern as a speaker. so i think this is an enormous problem that not only kevin mccarthy faces, but the house republican conference must address at some point. this challenge that they have with the former president. >> and what was clear four days
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after the attack of the capitol was that in his view, in the view of others in leadership, was they didn't want to bear responsibility for any of the violence and the aftermath. and that is not the role or the message that he had been sending over the past 15 months as he had been speaking out trying to get that endorsement from -- and support from president trump. let's play another part of the audio where mccarthy was asked about matt gaetz and mo brooks. take a listen. >> i'm calling gaetz and explaining to him, i don't have -- i'll have other people call him too -- but the nature of what -- if i'm -- the fbi tomorrow, this is serious [ bleep ], cut this out. >> yeah, that's -- that's -- it is potentially illegal what he's doing. >> well, he's putting people in jeopardy. >> we don't have the comment oz on mo brooks. that was matt gaetz and you
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heard potentially criminal some of the language he's inciting. let's play for you, i'll read the response from matt gaetz to this audio. he said representative mccarthy and representative scalise held views about president trump and many he they shared on calls with liz cheney, not us. this is the behavior of weak men, not leaders. i'm just curious because kevin mccarthy was also asked yesterday whether any of these tapes would damage his ability to be leader. and he said, no. what do you think about all of it? >> well, i suspect, you know, kevin mccarthy may be able to wriggle his way out of this one for the moment. but it should be noted that donald trump has not yet endorsed him for speaker. and if there is a small majority, if republicans win the majority and have a small majority, it only will take a handful of members to prevent him from ascending to the speakership, just like what happened in 2015 where he
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attempted to ascend, but at that time it was members of the freedom caucus blocked him. i think kevin mccarthy has to be concerned about it. what he said about matt gaetz was correct and steve scalise. the incendiary reckless comments, dangerous comments of some of the members who were really getting on the edge of inciting violence needed to be -- really needed to be clamped down on. they're right about it. i wish they followed their initial instincts, the correct ones, and because -- by not cracking down on them, they emboldened them and empowered them, the fringe elements, just making all their lives difficult. >> being the voice of reason in private doesn't seem to be very helpful. charlie dent, thank you as always. >> thank you, bianna. well, up next, russia's war on ukraine may be thousands of miles away. but it is having a very real impact on energy prices here in the u.s. we'll tell you how.
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national konstantin yaroshenko, who had been imprisoned in the u.s. for nearly -- more than a decade, in a prisoner swap. it is our information and we just spoke with the state department spokesman, trevor reed is now in the air on his way home. he's spoken to president and spoken to his family crucially as well. we'll bring you updates on what we know about his condition. russia's war on ukraine making the problem of sky skyrocketing utility costs even more. winter moratoriums on shutting off gas and power services are ending and families struggling to keep up. some of them could soon lose territory. g gabe cohen spoke with some in new york. >> this is when the chaos started. >> reporter: he lays out six months of baffling power bills for his house in beacon, new york, the price rising from $190 to more than $400. >> that's the day i told my roommates, we got to buckle
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down. >> reporter: this month, a bill for $2,000. >> it had to have been a mistake. >> reporter: it wasn't. >> they said this was a reconciliation over the last six months. according to this, it should have been between $700 and $800 per month. >> reporter: millions of americans are seeing surging utility bills, with huge hikes on fuel oil, propane, pipe gas, and electricity. how did the company explain the price hike? >> the first thing said was their cost have tripled. >> reporter: market is driving that and the war in ukraine is adding fuel to the fire. >> those prices are going to stay high for the remainder of the year and maybe longer. >> reporter: lower income families are being crushed, spending on average 38% of their income on energy. up from 27% just two years ago. and the timing is terrible, with rising inflation on food, rent, clothing and much more. a survey found half of americans are now worried about affording
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power. >> i'm very conscious of it. and a little paranoid. >> reporter: reverend thomas johnson and his wife had have been keeping the lights off at their home in queens. their rate keeps rising and they owe the power company $13,000 after they were hit with a massive reconciliation bill. >> i'm saying to myself, am i going to have to take out a second mortgage to pay an energy bill? that doesn't make any sense. >> reporter: 18% of american households are in debt to their power company, owing roughly $23 billion. now many families like reverend johnson's are facing a shutoff notice. >> so we really have our back up against the wall. >> reporter: most states ban shutoffs during the cold of winter. >> we expect to see an explosion in shutoffs happening in the next few months. >> reporter: in the past year, the biden administration has more than doubled funding for the low income home energy assistance program, or liheap,
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before that was only reaching 17% of eligible households. >> it is just simply not enough. what we're asking for is just for greater reform and a stop to all shutoffs across the country. >> reporter: this crisis has put energy companies under the microscope n washington, the house energy and commerce committee is investigating six of the nation's largest power companies. after they took covid bailout money, and still shut power to millions of homes. in new york, the state launched several investigations into potential price gauging by both the oil industry and utility companies. >> it is a crisis for my constituents. >> reporter: state senator james scoop is leading one of them. >> they're being ripped off. to have a modest home be hit with a $1400, $1500 bill is patently insane. and people are making money off of it. and they should be ashamed of themselves and got to be held accountable. >> reporter: now power companies say they're just passing along their own increased costs from a particularly cold winter,
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surging demand, and supply shortages. we will see if these investigations turn up anything else. and, jim, the two customers in that story are both disputing their bills, but they're preparing to pay them off if need be because that's the price of keeping the lights on. >> yeah. no question. don't want to be faced with that for sure. gabe cohen in washington, thanks so much. still ahead, putin's plans, propaganda, is all most russians see and hear today. what does the average russian think about the events unfolding across the border in ukraine. what do they know? we'll have more coming up. sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... . her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it stararts, for all-day, all-night protecection. cacan you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? ♪ ♪
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this morning, as most of the world watches russia's invasion of ukraine in horror, the latest polling out of russia shows a majority of citizens strongly supporting the kremlin's actions or at least they support vladimir putin. this is due in large part to russia's massive propaganda machine. listen to what people in moscow said when asked about how long this war could last. >> i think it will be soon. well, because everyone is tired of it. it seems to me that even putin is tired of this. you know, petty intrigue. we need to put more powerful weapons in there and put an end to it. >> i can't even guess. i thought it would take three days but somehow sparing the ukrainians. i think they should be wiped off the face of the earth. >> there's no war at all. it's all politics. >> my next guest, the project
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manager for the free russia foundation. she's also married to prominent kremlin critic, who was arrested outside of his home in moscow on april 12th just hours after he criticized the russian government during an interview with cnn. good to see you again. thank you so much for joining us. it is my understanding that you haven't spoken with lizzy for a while now. you just communicate through his lawyer. how is he doing? >> good morning, bianna. thank you very much for having me here today. recently joined the ever growing list in the russian federation. he's been charged with disseminating, as the russian government calls it, knowingly false information about the use of russian armed forces in ukraine. and he's facing up to 10 years in prison for using every platform available to him who are speaking out against this war and raising awareness and
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denouncing russian army's atrocities in ukraine and russian regime's wide scale oppressions against the russian population. i haven't talked to him in a few days already, because since they opened this criminal case against him, i'm not able to have any direct contact with him. only through his lawyer. but he continues sending me messages through his lawyer and we continue to communicate like this. >> i'm just wondering, when you hear this propaganda on russian state media and i'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard it, there are conflicting reports as to how accurate some of these polls are, given that you live in a totalitarian state. a lot of people are fearful of telling the truth about how they feel. that having been said, vladimir putin is still very popular. surprisingly popular in that country. how do you square that with the message that he's obviously
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willing to risk his life for to send to the country that he loves? >> i am absolutely sure when i say this. you cannot believe opinion polls conducted in a totalitarian state. we cannot forget that putin's propaganda machine has been working tirelessly over two decades, and in a country where the majority of the population still relies on tv as the main source of information, there is not one single independent tv channel available to the population. and all state controlled tv channels repeat the same message over and over and over again about the nature of wanting russia's demise, about the west's desire to see russia on its knees, about russia being surrounded by enemies, et cetera, et cetera. these channels you hear the same message over and over again. the last independent media
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outlet, the moscow radio station was closed down at the beginning of the war. so a big part of the russian population is severe, painfully brainwashed by this information. they have no access to objective independent information about what's happening in ukraine. in other words, they think we don't know about the russian army's atrocities in bucha, mariupol, the maternity wards and the bombings, mass killings of civilian population there. so it is extremely urgent that this, ways are found for the russian population to have access to independent objective media. and when we talk about the younger segment of the population, that is tech savvier, that is online more, even they encounter problems with access to independent media outlets because many web sites of independent media have been
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blocked since the beginning of the war. facebook, instagram have been blocked by the russian government. so access to these outlets, they need to find ways. the video services, for example, that you can install to access the blocked web sites, but -- >> evgenia. i am sorry, we're pressed for time but we say vladimir putin is ruining two countries. not just trying to decimate ukraine but clearly hurting his own citizens as well. we'll continue to follow your husband's story as well. thank you so much. >> thank you, bianna. coming up in our next hour, we're continuing to follow breaking developments in the release of american trevor reed from a russian prison. what it took to make it all happen. we'll have thohose details up nt after the break. citrus and mimt to uplift the senses and trtransform your mood. air wick essential mist aromom.
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