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witnessing tonight. and shanghai's brutal makeshift covid quarantine facilities, with no access to showers, lights on 24/7. two people forced into these shelter also tell their stories. good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. putin unleashing new hell on innocent ukrainians, targeting one of only two working hospitals in donbas, this showing the damage with shattered glass and debris cluttering the floors. in the room you see here, you'll see again the windows blown out, the camera person pans to the next room and an entire wall is gone. the top ukrainian official tells cnn the russians knew that hospital was a working hospital, it was not vacant. but this is putin's playbook. a former top defense official telling me that when the united states shared coordinates of hospitals in syria with the russians, with the express
purpose of ensuring their safety, the russians turned around and used those coordinates to bomb the hospitals. this hospital attack in eastern ukraine comes as ukraine's military says russian forces have seized control of several towns and villages in donbas. i spoke to a ukrainian defender on the frontlines and asked him what does his battalion need most? he was very specific in his answer to me -- he said armored vehicles, a lot morerere artill and of course, fighter jets. now, the u.s. and allies have been moving on the fighter jet front, but have thus far been hesitant to give jets to ukraine for fear of triggering a much wider war. but as this enters its third month, it's spreading beyond the borders, and putin has the threat of an all-out war, vowing to retaliate against any country that interferes with his invasion. >> translator: if someone intends to intervene in what is
happening from the outside and creates unacceptable strategic threats for us, they should know that our oncoming strike also be swift and lightning fast. we have all of the tools for this. ones that one can brag about. we won't brag. we will use them, if needed. >> those tools he doesn't want to brag about that he's standing there bragging about that no one should be bragging about, obviously clear what he means -- nuclear weapons. tonight, the pentagon is responding to his threats. >> it's irresponsible rhetoric. it's rhetoric beneath what should be the level of conversation by a modern nuclear power. we monitor the threat every single day, including today. and the secretary remains comfortable that we have the appropriate strategic nuclear posture in place. >> nick paton walsh is "outfront" live in ukraine.
nickckckwh is the latest on the ground where you are? >> reporter: much of the focus on whether or not there will be a referendum in kherson, the key southern city seized by russia. they had thought a referendum had occurred today. that's not the case. instead, that's been usurped by protests by locals in the morning and also tonight, images on social media showing explosions in the city, possibly near tv broadcast there. unclear what's behind that. but it's certainly not the suggestion that russians wanted to put forward that this referendum, a sham vote would subject that city was suggesting it wanted to be closer to the russian occupiers inside of it. fighting in the east and explosions in the areas bordering ukraine inside of russia, particularly an
ammunition depot that may have been the work of ukrainian military. >> so you're talking about what's happening tonight on the frontlines. you also have a chance in your reporting to see some of the atrocities committed by the russian army on their push into ukraine. more and more of the horrors. what have you found? >> reporter: look, to the south where we're standing, including the hometown of president zelevolodymyr zelenskyy of ukra there have been villages changing hands. as those villages go back into ukrainian hands, horrifying stories have emerged. i should warn you, the story you're about to hear about the rape of a minor who was pregnant by a russian soldier is, by definition, very harrowing. please bear that in mind while you watch our report.
it's from these gentle shrugs of villages, lazy and clean, in the green expanses of the kherson region, that some of this war's ugliest crimes are being dragged into the light. this is dasha. she's 16. and was six months pregnant when just over a month ago, russian forces came to her village here. her family were in the basement sheltering from bombs, the cold and the russians shooting in the air or at cars and legs. at dusk, they brought the children out to the kich on the eat, where there were two soldiers, one drunk.
until russian snipers came to help her. even some of the russian soldiers this that unit were disgusted by what happened and tried to move her and part of her family to safety. and then began a process in which russian soldiers seemed to try to get her to go back on the claims she had made. two days later, she was taken to a russian paratrooper commander who, she says, began shouting at her like her attacker had. >> reporter: it seems they did believe her but the fate of her rapist remains unclear. while we can't independently verify her story, prouter pros
told us they have investigated and determined it was a war crime. but the question so much here, why is the one without a palatable answer. >> reporter: there are lives here young see russia has changed forever. but also those whose trauma sits beneath the surface and lives on. we asked the russian minister of defense for comment and they haven't gotten back to us. this is fittinininin a terrifying pattern, frankly, of stories revealed when ukrainian forces take back control, even briefly held by russian forces. an army that appears to have
lacked real solid, coherent plan for invasion, had an occupation that was off in tatters, and now a leap behind the legacy of utter fear and terror. erin? >> nick, thank you very much. a powerful report. hard to watch, as you said, but important to see. i want to go to evalyn farcus, the former secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eur-asia. and also with me, cedric layton, former member of the joint chiefs of staff. evalyn, we are hearing horrible stories of rape and this individual story, you know, horrible, disgusting, heart wrenching. when you see what's happening, though, does this surprise you? is this in a sense part of the strategy here? this story that nick just shared? >> yes. clearly, putin has been calling the ukrainian people, he's been saying they're under the spell of nazis, but now we've been
hearing more messaging, more calling, more ukrainians nazis. it's just a way to dehumanize the ukrainian people. i guess this particular individual had a criminal past. the russian military now is not entirely professional. they have these mercenaries in their midst. and, again, to the extent that they are supposed to be a 21st century professional military, we're seeing they are not and they're ignoring geneva conventions. all of this, it's just heartbreaking, because it brings you right back to world war ii, when stalin was starving innocent ukrainian civilians. it's just another kind of ethnic warfare that we have seen in the balkans and elsewhere and we thought we were done with it, but evidently not. >> ukraine did acknowledge the loss of several towns and villages in the east, and some of these, they shift who is in control. but in recent days, the
ukrainians say that the russians have taken some additional villages. we saw that russian military strike that struck a hospital in the east, that the ukrainians said they made clear to the russians was a working hospital, one of only two in liuhansk. so do you think russia is making real gains after completely seeming to stall in the feast for a few weeks? >> i think they are making some gains. it remains to be seen how much they can hold onto these gains, as nick mentioned in his report. there's this movement back and forth with some of these villages going from one side to the other fairly quickly. it leads me to believe that the russians are continuing to have some hlogistical problems and command and control problems, as well. you look at the number of drops
involved, and it seems to me they're going to have a difficult time holding on to these places. it's going to be very difficult for them to do so. >> evalyn, putin warned today that any country interfering in ukraine, his threat seemed to be very clear, supplying anything or anything like that would be hit with a lightning fast response. i want to play his specific words. here he is. >> we have all the tools for this. ones that no one can brag about. and we won't brag. we will use them if needed, and i want everyone to know this. >> i mean, you know, everyone is clear what he's referred to, he's referred to nuclear weapons this way in the past. it seems obvious that's what he is seeing. what do you make of this latest threat? is there anything to it? >> erin, this is all an effort to intimidate the united states and our allies, to break the resoluteness of our
transatlantic alliance in particular, because it's coming also at the same time that he is blockading energy from bulgaria and poland. he's trying to make us afraid of his use of nuclear weapons. other countries can quote unquote brag about having nuclear weapons including the united states. we have nuclear deterrence from the tactical to the strategic level. france and engiland also have nuclear deterrence. putin should understand if he uses any nuclear weapon against the united states, there's a lot of damage we can do to russia if they escalate in that fashion. >> we saw those explosions the other night. there's been cryptic references to them by the ukrainians. they're not directly saying they're responsible, but it appears that they are, the second time that they have attacked this area.
do you think these continue to be smart strikes for ukraine or do they just sort of escalate and enrage this more? >> they might escalate it and enrage the russians. but the fact is, if i were ukrainian general or colonel i would be doing the same thing. while the ukrainians are not setting russia ablaze, this is a situation where the ukrainians have to do this, they are hitting targets of military significance, they are doing things that will impede to the russian war effort, and they are frankly legitimate war targets. so that is the right thing for them to do and that's a good way for them to do this. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. next, the ukrainian soldier who has been giving you and me regular updates from the frontline, what he's seeing firsthand as russia makes
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following you saw you at the time you were headed to the donbas region where that heavy fighting is underway. you're dealing with a new russian offensive. tell me what you have experienced. >> hello. it's nice to hear you again. from my very new experience, which was very exciting. first time i sawmill tear avia -- saw military aviation. the most impressive moment was when the two fight jet were flying just above our heads and to be honest, that's interesting. you understand according to what you see the vehicles, it's a big thing. when you're sitting somewhere and you're looking only with your eyes, it's always the small picture. but when you scale it, it's big actually. pretty big. >> so you mentioned seeing the
air force, the russian air force for the first tititiyou know, e you went east, you were fighting in -- near kyiv, but that was obviously -- russian troops who were there. have you seen anything different, vlade, that you would say about how the russians are fighting, their tactics, what they're doing right now? >> of course. the situation now is different. and now is an actual distance between troops. it's bigger. but there is a bigger number of artillery working and aviation is working more intense. and for me now, it looks like the war in ukraine happens in 2014 after a hot summer. we have like a fall when artillery is just firing at each other all day long. this is what is happening here now. it's so big.
i never heard before, i have experienced with mortars, with 152 millimeter cannons. but now all kinds of artillery working and a lot of -- i forgot the word, but it's a special weapon that can shoot like 40 rockets at a moment. and everything is burning around, and that's great. there is a war when you can actually take your clothes off and get your rest well. the second is when you just dressed up, but without your shoes. and there is war when young take your shoes and you don't close your sleeping bag. like any moment something can happen. and killed and wounded people every day. >> every day.
so vlade, obviously that is -- it is war. it is the horror of what you're experiencing. the ukrainian military says several towns and villages in the east have been lost to russian troops. you're talking about more artillery than you have seen before, that there are killed and wounded ukrainians every day. are you worried at all about troop moralee? >> no, no. this is only one thing i don't really worry about. morale is really high still. you know, from -- it even became better because people are more calmer now, and they think now, and now, like all these units, we were just running around in little groups, became bigger, bigger. and now we're talking about battalions. so everything is going well, and
i think people doing their training. i am -- don't worry about morale part at all. actually, i am more worried about weapons, like, you know, we want western weapons to come to us. but i think we're doing fine. >> all right, slashgsvlade, tha so much. thank you for your time. >> thank you, erin. >> we hope that vlade continues to remain safe. next, an investigator looking into putin's invasion of ukraine, says his team has exposed so-called remote control killers. an american trevor reed about to arrive back in the united states any moment. he had been held in russia, so now there's been a swap. he's free. and we're learning new details about the high stakes efforts to get him out. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a fresh bowl of matcha and a fresh batch of wireframes. and you can find her,
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to vermsurrender near donesque. this warning was sent to rushi at the u.n. >> let us be clear, those who unleashed, perpetrated, and ordered these crimes must be held to account. and the evidence of this criminality is mounting daily. our simple message to russia's military and political leadership and to the rank and file is this -- the world is watching, and you will be held accountable. >> "outfront" now is the executive director and the lead russia investigator of bellencat. that's the website that's broken major stories about russia. you may recognize him from the new cnn film "navalny." he identified the spies suspected of poisoning alexei navalny. i know you did that through pain staking research, flight logs, checking phone numbers, finding out these individual's names,
and you're doing that same research now on several investigations related to the russian invasion of ukraine, including evidence of war crimes. what are you finding? >> well, the whole -- almost the whole organization that i manage is now focused on logging, archiving, and preserving evidence of what seems to be war crimes for future law enforcement and investigators, and the sad news is that by today, we have discovered what appears to be more than 650 cases of civilian harm. much of it seems to be avoidable and intentional, even in the situation of warfare. these include dozens of incidents of shelling that is -- whether indiscriminate or intentionally targeting civilians, hospitals, theaters, so on and so forth. this is regularly reported in the news media. however, somebody needs to log it and verify and validate it
happened on that place, at that location, at that particular time. and that's what we are doing most of the time, and we have a team of about 30 people that are devoted to preserving and logging this evidence. so we're investigating the context of how this is happening. why is it happening? why are cases of widespread executions and rapes, is this something that is happening just because of lack of control by the center in moscow? or is it because of instructions that are given by moscow? and sadly, we have find more and more evidence in which monstrosities are committed with instructions from moscow, and it seems to be a matter of sewing terror and helping to advance the russian forces forward. and not something that is just in excess on the ground.
>> the answer you're finding, horrific but crucial. you have also been looking at a specific unit of the fsb, the russian security services, that spent years preparing for this invasion from what you understand. what have you discovered so far? >> yeah. we use the same methods that we used to find the poiser ins in navalny as you saw in the film, to find out who these people were that were advising president putin such false information for him to believe this would be an easy war with the ukrainian population welcoming the russian invaders. that's what they believed based on reports from the fsb. onld and who were these people preparing the fifth column, the ukrainian shadow government that was apparently ready to jump in and replace the zelenskyy
government once the russian invasion was in place. and we tried to find out who these people were. we found it's a team of almost 160 people that we have identified through cross referencing phone calls and travel logs. people whose only goal was to prepare for the establishing the country, and to grow assets, to recruit people, political functionares, for the cause e e the russian invasion. all this failed, but it was a massive operation where they spent more than a billion dollars over the last eight years, in growing such sort of shadow government that never came to be. >> that's amazing. you found those 160 people. it is incredibly pain staking work that your group is doing. so thank you so very much. i want everyone to know, by the way, chrisso, the sacrifice
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in 2020, he was sentenced to nine years in prison, and he faced incrossing health issues over the last year, contracting covid-19. his family saying he was coughing up blood, and fighting symptoms of tb. >> he's going to have a head-to-toe evaluation. that may take a few days testing. right now, they have him in some sort of isolation tent or a bubble on the plane. >> reporter: those concerns about reed's deteriorating health are, in part, what led to accelerated urgency according to officials. ultimately, joe biden agreed to commute the russian's sentence, after he was convicted of conspireing to smuggle cobain into the u.s. he had been mentioned by russians previously, publicly and privately, as someone they would be willing to exchange for an american national. >> it was a decision predicated on the fact that this russian individual served the majority of his prison sentence for a
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under your bed sheets. you had a piece of cardboard box to block out the lights because they never went off. i know they were your main enemy for lack of a better word. can you tell me about how hard that was? >> hello.yes,he combination of those factors you just named, the lack of privacy, having lights 24/7 and not knowing which day of the time is this in time. what time of the day it is. and noise, because there are 4,000 people inside. so all of those were pressuring a lot i would say mental health. physically speaking, we barely had access to basic hygiene. so no showers. three weeks with no shower, just some water to wash your face or hair.
yeah, it was not an easy experience and not a pleasant one. >> oh, my gosh. just to think about it. it's so dehumanizing. even though i knowowow it's organized. everyone has a bed and it's all lit up. because of that, it feels so dehumanizing. aleksa aleksandra, i know you were forced into a center. you were not able to be together. can you tell me about your mental health and those of you who don't know what day of the week it is and stuck in a place like this for weeks? >> for sure. >> well, it seemed to me they were okay. i had an old man who told me he was happy because he was fed three times a day and -- a meal, you know, and he didn't have to pay for it. i did feel like the younger people were a bit frustrated to be there. they were just waiting and, you know, spending most of their time on the phone, maybe going
outside. for me, it was also hard without knowing the time of day. i was lucky enough to spend less days there. i spent six days. i did feel after the sixth day i was mentally exhausted and physically exhausted. for me, it was a lack of sleep. i slept three hours of sleep and i'm an eight hour of sleep guy. overall it was tiring. we, both of us and a lot of people right now still haven't been able to find a logic behind putting thousands, hundreds of people into these make-shift hospitals and we don't yet see the end of lockdown here in shanghai because people, i tested positive again. >> tell me about that. i know when you came back, you know, some of f f ur neighbors, they were openly hostile, right? you had been there, weren't sure if you had it or not. you're dealing with that as well. now i guess you're positive now mainly because it's still in your system or something but you
may have to go back? what happens? >> that's unclear at the moment. there is a community manager who we are in touch with who handles all i guess s s e operations fo us, but he called us yesterday saying that there's a chance i may go back to the make shift hospital. i think it's because he doesn't really know the protocol. nobody knows the protocol even after testing positive. in order to come out of the make shift hospital you need to test negative two times. >> jane, when you had the test it took them days and days to acknowledge you had it. i want to add one more thing for you, jane, personally. i know you're from ukraine. you haven't been able to see your family. your father is in zaporizhzhia, that is right near the front line now. i can't imagine when you add that to what you're dealing with. when do you think you'll be able
to see him and your family again, jane? >> well, i guess i hope as soon as lockdown finishes. as he mentioned, we don't know when it is going to happen. so everyone hopes it's going to be this year, any time this year. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> god bless. next, record-setting rent prices are spiking across the united states s s d end is in sight to the price surges. but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a dog named klauaus and her favorite shade of green. it's actually salem m clover. and you can find her right now on upwork.com when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place. find top-rated talent who can start today on upwork.com
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less and less and less. >> maura and her daughter carson have 30 days to find a new home. >> how many properties do you think you've explored? >> thousands. thousands. >> for three years she has been paying $2100 a month for this 3 bedroom in palm beach gardens, florida. last month she got a letter from her landlord. >> dueo unforeseen circumstances -- >> her new rent $3200 0 0 a mon.
her attorney for landlord tells cnn rising property taxes and mortgage rates are tblame. >> i freaked out. we can't afford it. can't do it. >> there's a housing affordability crisis. home prices are sky high forcing more americans into a competitive rental market. gilmaine, a single mom and disabled veteran is reliant on renting assistance from hud. she gets about $1800 a month but even that is not enough now. the landlord's looking to capitalize on rising rents are less willing to accept her rental voucher. >> how critical is the hud voucher to your existence? >> that is our existence. without it, we would be homeless. >> rents are rising across the country. up a record 20% on average in two years. double that in cities like memphis, tampa, and riverside, california, but the miami/palm
beach area tops them all at 58%, nearly three times the national average. >> when there's a hurricane, it's illegal for gas stations to jack up the prices. why is there not a cap in the state of florida? why am i looking at a 43% increase? >> in fact, it's illegal in flororora impose rent controls. >> that gives me a lot of anxiety. >> sarah espinosa is facing a 106% increase on her rent in coral gables, florida. for 22 years she's called this three-bedroom home. she raised her son here. she says the $1700 she pays in rent is below market valueut the $3500 her new landlord is charging is out of her budget. >> it's not reasonable at all. i guess right now everybody's just price gouging because people need somewhere to live. >> you know how many people have
reached out? >> reporter: for laura and carson, their search continues with no prospects in sight. >> where does that put you? >> puts me out on the street. >> vanessa jurkavich, miami, florida. thank you so much for joining us. ac 360 starts right now. good evening tonight only on this program my conversation with a man who documented what he saw from his window in russian occupied bucha. what he saw and we have to warn you what you're about to see were his neighbors, civilians, dead on the street and the sidewalk as well. he was documenting war crimes, risking his own life in the process. tonight you'll hear him talk about why he did it, why it was so important to do what he did and hear as well from the ukrainian prosecutor using that man's images and video to try to build a war crimes case. to that point, this late i