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hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. we begin with big moves in ukraine. evacuations are supposed to be resuming today in the beef sieged city of mariupol. the mayor there saying the process is very difficult. it is dependent of course on russian cooperation and we have all seen as we have been tracking this what that has meant to this point also saying that the russians are, in his words, creating obstacles with these evacuations. some 100 civilians left the mariupol steel plant, seeing daylight for the first time in weeks and hundreds more inside the complex including women, children and the elderly. all of this is happening as russian forces resume shelling attacks on the massive plant. russian forces have just destroyed almost every building
over that complex for the last month yet ukraine as military is fighting back. to today ukraine saying forces have conducted strikes to destroy two russian boats. nick, what's the very latest? >> reporter: kate, just in the last few minutes a number of vehicle have come into here from different parts of the south area here. this bus behind me, the driver just got out and said they were from bodansk but some from mariupol as well. that doesn't mean this is part of the broader humanitarian corridor that has been established by the unionsted nations and red cross. we've seen people emerging over the past days and week by their own resources and it probably includes this bus here as well.
it takes days to get from mariupol where there's been intense shelling over the past weeks or so through a variety of russian checkpoints all the way to here, zaporizhzhia, where an e evacuee center does await them. the hope had been after a variety of meetings from moscow to kyiv would be able to establish a humanitarian corridor and bring out different groups of evacuees. so much focus on those caught in the avozstol steel plant, rarely seeing daylight, startling images emerging over the last 48 hours. the russian defense ministry says over 100 have got out and 11 they claim chose to stay in separatist territory but the russian defeat admit 69 is on their way here. they will be joined by tens of thousands of other civilians,
there could be as many as a hundred thousand in mariupol in appalling conditions. they're hoping to be part of this convoy moving their way to zaporizhzhia. what we're seeing here bit by bit are people emerging from areas around mariupol. mariupol itself over the past days, not part of this broader effort that's garnered so much international attention. president volodymyr zelenskyy said at 8:00 this morning they would begin to come here. my understanding is that initial wave is on its way from the steel factory but still in the towns on the way to here still possibly with russian check founts get through. a lot of expectation here that finally the agonizing tragedy of those caught inside mariupol might be coming to an end courtesy of this u.n. convoy. >> as congress is also considering right now sending billions of dollars more to help ukraine, speaker of the house
nancy pelosi is in warsaw following her visit to ukraine to meet with president zelenskyy over the weekend. lauren, what are you hearing about this visit? >> reporter: this is a significant visit because of the timing of when it is occurring. this comes a few days after the president sent up that $33 billion in supplemental requests. it's been made clear that the u.s. stands firmly behind ukraine in this fight against russia and that republicans and democrats are united in getting this funding as quickly as possible to ukraine. but the question still remains here in washington how fast that funding can move because the house of representatives is out of session this week. that's why there are members traveling in europe this week. there is a concern that this may not be able to come together in the next couple of days but may actually take several more weeks
for republicans and democrats to work out some significant differences about where this money is going. so speaker of the house pelosi trying to send this message that the u.s. is unified in getting this money to ukraine but clearly obstacles remain, kate. >> absolutely, lauren. thank you so much. much more to come on that. there are also growing fears that vladimir putin may resort to using chemical and nuclear weapons in ukraine. republican adam kinzinger says he will introduce a resolution. >> he wants to give the president an option to intervene if russia does use weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons on ukrainian soil. this would not compel the president to take military
action in the event they do use those weapons but it would give him the necessary flexibility for him to use that option if he decides it is necessary. here's what he said. >> it doesn't compel the president to do it. it just says if it is used, he has that leverage. it gives him a better flexibility but also it is a deterrent to vladimir putin. prior to world war ii there were moments nobody everyone wanted to get involved and eventually realized they had to. i hope we don't get to that point here but we should be ready if we do. >> kinzinger does not say the u.s. should put boots on the ground if these wedneapons are . says it would allow the president to use any force he deems necessary to deter and prevent vladimir putin from using these weapons in the future. the president has said there would be a response by the u.s. and response by the
international community if they did use those weapons. they are trying to leave putin guessing and this resolution kinzinger hopes could serve as a deterrent to putin if he does choose to use those weapons. >> joining me is dana petard and former ambassador to ukraine john herbst. if the russians are allowing evacuations from mariupol and the steel plant and the city in general, what does this mean for the ongoing battle here? it's clearly good news if people can get out but what does it mean? >> i think it's very encouraging that the ukrainians and russians have at least worked out for some of the civilians to depart. if that in fact holds, that is a
good thing. >> the if it holds is the key here. we have seen how much anyone in ukraine and outside can trust allowing for humanitarian corridors and all of that throughout this. congressman kinzinger introducing this legislation. what do you think of this as what adam kinzinger is pointing to as a deterrent first and for most. >> it certainly is a deterrent. to say we will not be deterred as kinzinger's resolution would is a step forward in our security and ukraine's security. putin does not want a nuclear confrontation with us.
>> it is an authorization for use of military force. presidents have acted many times without this authorization. what do you think it means? >> again, i think it's a good start and it can be used as a deterrent certainly, as an option. but overall the u.s. has got to stop being intimidated by russia and putin. president biden has said that once p he wants no u.s. troops on the ground. however, i think it's time to at least set up something like a humanitarian assistance zone in western you're craukraine, where no troops on the ground right now. it will protect civilians. >> this is something you and i have discussed throughout this war, the hesitation for allies to do this suggests what to you? >> it suggests we're being
intimidated to an extent. this takes a little more spine. we've shown the initiative diplomatically and on the military side it's mixed. we're sending munitions to ukraine but at the same time civilians and freedom is being assaulted. there's more the u.s. should be doing. >> ambassador, the russian foreign minister in this interview on sunday repeating russia's claim that its invasion of ukraine was to denaziify the country and to back up this claim that he's making, he said that adolph hitler had, in his words, jewish blood, which is not only not true but it's also irrelevant to what we're talking about and what is happening. what is he trying to do when he says this? when you heard him say this, what did you think? >> i started laughing. it's a joke. what's going on here is pretty
simple. lavrov and the kremlin understands that in their current war on ukraine, putin is darth vader and zelenskyy is luke skywalker. they're trying to make the case that luke skywalker is not luke skywalker. that's preposterous. >> what do you think the impact of it is? >> i think they shoot themselves in the foot with this. when russia or putin says he wants to denazify ukraine, he's saying he wants to deukrainianize ukraine. they're trying to destroy the ukrainian people in some fashion and that's very, very dangerous. >> absolutely. i was just seeing fresh reporting from barbara starr at the pentagon that the top russian general, the chief of
staff of the russian military that according to barbara starr, he was recently in ukraine according to a u.s. defense official. the way it was put to barbara was we know he was in donbas for several days beginning last week but the u.s. is uncertain we he traveled to the russian front line and what signal it send what could it have meant? >> the general traveling to ukraine, it's rare to see the chief of all russian forces to actually go to ukraine. what it signals is things are not going well for the russians and we've seen that. we've seen that logistically, commander control-wise, they've lost maybe up to ten generals. they're having issues. and he i assume went there to make sure that they understood president putin's intent and everything else. but it shows that it's not going well for the russians. they are now making some limited
offensive gains but they neither have the forestructure or the ability to move beyond where they are right now. >> thank you both. it's very good to see you. i really appreciate it. >> coming up, prosecutors in georgia are launching the next phase of their investigation into donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. what the new special grarand ju means for the formrmer presiden. that is next. with godaddy you can start a stunning online store for free. easily connect it to social platforms and marketplaces. d manage all your sales from one place. because if you've got it, we've got you. start for free at godaddy.com/startfree if your moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks... choose stelara® from the start... and move toward relief after the first dose...
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sarah, what is happening now? >> reporter: this special grand jury has been a long time coming. the district attorney here has been investigating donald trump and his allies for over a year. today they are finally selecting jurors to sit on this special grand jury and really dig in with broader investigative powers. let's just remember how this all started. you know, it was as soon as the district attorney, bonnie willis, took office that an audiotape leaked of donald trump talking to georgia secretary of state brad rafensberger. >> fellas, i need 11,000 votes. we have that in spades already. >> reporter: he insisted he won the state, a state he had already lost.
she is looking to subpoena about 30 more witnesses. the judge said you're going to have the power to subpoena witness testimony, to ask for documents and phone records. if you hear from one guy and he mentioned one guy and you want to talk to that guy, can have it. they're going to whittle 200 jurors down to 24. >> jeffrey toobin, you have called this investigation the most serious threat that donald trump is facing in terms of all of the investigations that have been coming out. why is that? >> the manhattan district attorney, that investigation of trump's business is effectively over as a criminal matter the january 6th investigation by the justice department is moving along from the bottom up and it's unclear if they're ever going to investigate donald trump but they are certainly not there yet. this is a very direct
investigation of president trump and georgia has a statute called solicitation of election fraud, which certainly on the surface suggests what was going on here. no prosecutor in her right mind would indict just on the base of that phone call but that phone call is certainly an invitation to look at all the things that the president and his allies were doing to try to overturn the georgia result and that's what this grand jury is all about. >> and this has put a big focus on this district attorney, sarah. you spoke with the danchts in februa -- d.a. in february. >> i imagine we're going to issue subpoenas to a lot of people and all of them are not going to welcome our invitation to come speak with us. >> that might be an understatement. how big is this investigation? what is the sense that you're gett
getting and how big is this for this d.a.? >> they're looking into a number of matters. beyond what they know from officials like brad rafensberger, they're also assad they're looking into rudy giuliani, into a phone call between lindsey graham, the senator and if she subpoenas people like giuliani and mark meadows, that would be uncomfortable. this is a big deal for her. she's a democrat. people are already looking at this as a politically motivated investigation. she's sinking resources into this at a time when there is a lot of rising crime here and in a number of big cities. in a way she has to justify the resources and time she's putting into this when a lot of folks here are more concerned about local matters. >> and a key question in this whole investigation is what was donald trump's state of mind? >> why is that a key question? >> because in order to commit a fraud, you have to know what you're doing is wrong.
if you are trying to overturn -- change an election result and you honestly believe that the election result was wrong, that's not fraud. >> but that would suggest this is very hard to prosecute. >> it's hard to prosecute. i mean, fraud is always a state of mind crime. and in white collar crime, you're always as a prosecutor looking for unindications that someone knew they were doing something wrong, not that this was a mistake or good faith effort. one of the challenges will be to try to determine if trump knew that he lost and was just trying to overturn the result by any means possible or did he really think he won and he was trying to recover legitimately cast votes. >> i don't know if we call it messy but wrapped up in this is the fact that there's the current lelection that is under way in georgia as well. people like the secretary of state, that is at the center of
all this and been drawn into this, is on the ballot. the dan.a. said she's not goingo call anyone in of that official stature until after the primary. does that make this messy? >> absolutely. you also have the possibility -- this is going to go on for months. it's not going to be over quickly. donald trump could announce he's running for president. what will the georgia district attorney do with investigating a presidential candidate? i mean, that has an extreme political plim implication. it's also a very promising implication because that phone call alone suggests that the president knew he was doing something wrong because he just didn't have the votes that he needed. >> you have new reporting that during that call you just played a portion of with trump, there's new information about an aide to rafsberger texting mark meadows
about how uncomfortable and bad this was all unfolding to be. how does that unfold into this? >> i think we've seen a lot of the chaos that sort of happened after the call was made public, but these were text messages handed over to the january 6th committee and brought up in a court filing in which a top aide is texting mark meadows during the call saying need to end this call, i don't think it will be productive much longer, meadows says okay. this georgia investigation is not happening in a vacuum. the district attorney's office here is paying attention to what the house select committee is uncovering during their investigation. you know, they've talked a little bit about potential avenues for information sharing but certainly now the district attorney knows if she goes and subpoenas mark meadow's text
messages, she's going to find this kind of stuff in there. >> so many people involved in this investigation are themselves elected officials, the district attorney, the secretary of state. it's a big issue in the georgia governor's race which is ongoing now. that's just another level of complexity in this investigation. >> there's like innumerable levels of complexity. thank you so much. coming up, millions of ukrainian civilians have been forced to flee their homes as russia's unprovoked attack on their country rages on. we'll speak to a mother and what she's doing for her safety. thatat's next. audio entertainmet and storytelling. audible. bath fitter doesn't just fit your th. we fit your life. en you're tired of looking at your tired old bath,
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millions who has been forced to flee ukraine since the war began. she and her 10-year-old son are now in poland. thank you for being here. you are now in poland but you had to go through four other countries before finally landing in poland. can you tell us what it did it take to get there? >> hello, kate. thanks for having me. my story is short, i would say. as soon as the war broke out, i to wake my son up and we immediately left kyiv. we went to my parents' town and from there we left to the border. it took us almost ten hours to get to the border and we waited seven more hours at the bored are. then we went from moldova from romania, from romania to hungary and then slovakia and finally we reached poland, where also i was
very lucky to very quickly find a job. i am a teacher so i am now part of this teaching project sponsored by care where i can work with ukrainian kids. >> i want to ask you about that because that's a big part of your story now and what you're doing in your time and how you're giving back. but first when you left with your 10-year-old son and your mother, what was it like when you told him it was time to go? how did you keep him calm? you said you were hours and hours waiting at each of these borders. this is a really scary journey. you didn't really know how this was going to end up. how did you keep your son calm this whole time? >> well, it was -- it was the best option for us because we were -- before we left kyiv, we stayed there all day at my
parent's town, we were staying in bomb-proof shelters and simple basement and we heard the air missile sirens all the time and it was just logical to leave. and we were afraid to stay. so my son he understood that this is unsafe place and we told him we need to go to a safe place. and that's why he was -- he was very obedient and very good during the way. he knew that we are going to a safe place. >> and since you've been in poland, as you were mentioning, you've been starting to teach other ukrainian refugees. this program through care hires refugees through the poland center for international aid. what has that been like for you? >> well, it's all -- it's a lot. because when we came, the first
thing was to have some kind of job. to me as a teacher, being part of teaching program was like the best option. and to help ukrainian kids to adjust and to feel home and to feel normal again, this is like a big mission for all the teachers. i'm not just a teacher. i'm a translator. i help them solve issues, problems they have and not only them, their parents as well. so i'm the connector between children, their parents and school. >> it's a long journey how all of you got there and it's going to be a very long journey no matter where you end up after this. you found safety now. but what does the future hold for you, daria? how do you think about that in this moment? i'm sure it's probably day by day but what's your biggest concern now for you, your son, your mother? >> well, of course the biggest
concern is to return and to have a place to return to, to have home. for now our home is -- we still have home. we have our flat in kyiv and in my mother's place. so we -- the biggest concern is to have ukraine. this is our biggest concern, to have our country, to have our people who are fighting no matter what. >> do you hope to go back? do you hope and want to go back to ukraine? >> of course we hope to go back to kyiv. but we want to go back to a safe kyiv, to a free kyiv. >> absolutely. daria, it's a real pleasure to meet you. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. thank you so much for talking to us. >> thank you. coming up for us, an urgent
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we have breaking news coming in. law enforcement in alabama are holding a press conference to update a search for a corn inma and a correction officer with him. the sheriff making announcement about what they think happened. >> reporter: this is filling in some of the answers to many of the questions we had over the weekend. the sheriff after reviewing some more video footage telling us that both the officer, vicky white, and the inmate casey white, not related, were seen on video surveillance showing them leaving the detention center on friday and walking straight over to the parking lot. now, we know that later her patrol car was found abandoned in a shopping mall. the sheriff's office was having a hard time figuring out a time line. now they're starting to piece together what's happening.
the other major development is about officer vicky white. the sheriff saying there is a warrant for vicky white for permitting or facilitating an escape in the first degree. this is one of the biggest questions that people had about this case and something that the sheriff wasn't able to answer when asked is officer vicky white an accomplice or is she a victim? either way the sheriff drawing a line in the sand saying she violated multiple policies there and that she violated the law in his opinion. that is why we have this warrant out for permitting or facilitating an escape in the first degree. they believe she was a part in this escape saying all indications point to her being involved. kate? >> real quick on that. that's an important question, if she willingly helped him escape or if she was coerced or threatened. the sheriff not making that determination but is drawing a line saying she did not follow
protocol? >> yes, there is this question about how she came about helping him. we know she made up the story that he had a mental evaluation and she wasn't feeling well. there were nomental evaluations at all fortin mate. two officers were supposed to escort this inmate at all times and she took him by himself. those are things that she did and that's where this apparent comes from. but whether or not she was threatened or coerced by him, the sheriff says they simply won't know until they find her and get to the bottom of it. >> this is ongoing right now, the press conference. nadia, thank you very much for that. more updates to come. joining me is matthew fogg, retired chief deputy of the marshal service. it's good to see you. what do you think of this news we're learning, that now there's a warrant not only for the inmate but also for this corrections officer? >> well, that's right, kate. to be honest when you, when i
first heard it i said there's no way in the world that a female is going to walk in and take a male that's 6'9" out of an institution. all of our protocols on moving prisoners, there's always got to be two people there involved. for her to come in and just hook this man up and they're hooking to skype -- i mean, putting the handcuffs and all of that on him and taking him out thereof, that would have had to raise all kinds of flags, especially with a female taking a male and then of course with his background and they had all types of information in their records to indicate that this man was a high risk. it's just too many things that are here. and then also it's my understanding, maybe i'm wrong, that she had resigned or retired or something before this. maybe i'm wrong on that. >> she put in retirement papers, right. >> yes. that's crazy. so if a retirement was in, it would seem like why would she have been there anyway?
the fact that i think what happened also is the level of command that she represented, she was a high official, i think a deputy somewhere up in the high ranks. so i could see how in the lower ranks us being a command and control environment, you're always concerned with questioning someone that has rank over you. because you're worried about what the repercussions that would be if it turns out that your questioning turns out to be wrong questioning. so all of those might have come into play. but it is absolutely absurd to say that this woman took this man out by herself, protocols -- against all protocols and other officers watched this happen and then they go away for six hours without anyone saying anything. >> what does this search look like now? this man is considered dangerous. we know obviously she had a weapon on her so there could be at least one weapon involved. what does this search look like right now? >> well, i mean, they're going
through everything that they know of when it comes down to who he's been in contact with. they got all his jail records of who makes phone calls and so forth. they've got her records probably by now to see numbers and places that she's called. so it's really just trying to narrow down on anybody that might know a little more aboutw have had to have been some type of contact between them two before the escape. they're not going to tell us everything because anything they tell us could compromise the investigation. but that's what they're looking at right now and the surveillance cameras and everything. but i said a long time ago as soon as i heard there should have been a warrant out for her immediately. >> it's goo $d to see you, matthew. appreciate it. also developing at this hour, a former philadelphia police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy has just been
charged with murder. prosecutors just made this announcement moments ago. jason carroll is here now with more on this. >> very disturbing story, officer mendoza is being held without bail. this is because the district attorney says that this officer in question, he says, shot and killed thomas t.j.sedario when he was essentially on the ground and essentially unarmed. this coming from the d.a. just a few minutes ago. it was back in early march when philadelphia's police commissioner announced that officer mendoza would be fired after a 30-day suspension. this was after apparently the officer in question, mendoza, ne had determined that he had used an excessive use of force in the shooting, a shooting that happened on march 1st, the evening of march 1st when officer mendoza was apparently in an unmarked car in philadelphia. and at some point the rear view window was shot out. he gave chase and when he gave
chase, he ended up firing his weapon and shooting sedario. just a few minutes ago, kate, the d.a., who was very specific during this press conference basically said this young man who was 12 years old, basically said he was on the ground in a push-up position, essentially giving up when he was shot in the back. mendoza now facing a multitude of charges, including first and third degree murder charges. >> what a mess. jason, thank you. z >> incredible story. >> coming up also, more breaking news out of water. the house committee investigating the capitol insurrection is asking three republican lawmakers to voluntarily cooperate with their investigation. details are just coming in. we'll get to that after the breaeak.
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more breaking news into cnn. the house select committee investigating the capitol insurrection is requesting more information from four republican lawmakers. we are tracking all of this. jessica, what is the committee asking for now? >> reporter: well, the committee here once again ramping up their efforts to talk to republican members of congress. and they're asking very broadly for any details these members might have about what transpired around january 6th. specifically, these members being asked by the committee to voluntarily cooperate. moe brooks out of alabama. andy bigs out of arizona and ronny jackson out of texas. they sent the congressmen a letter. as we've seen with republican lawmakers in the past, they've
asked to talk to house minority member leader kevin mccarthy. they've also asked in the past to talk to scott perry, jim jordan. they have refused. it still remains to be seen if these members of congress will corporate. crucially, these members in recent weeks and months, it's been discovered that they have some information that the committee might be interested in. for example, moe brooks was at the stop the steal rally. he spoke. we know based on reporting that former president trump asked moe brooks to step in to help rescind the election results from 2020. no doubt the committee is interested in hearing from him on that. as pertains to andy bigs of arizona, he was one of the ones who helped plan that rally. we understand he may have had meetings at the white house on or around january 6th. and then there's ronny jackson of texas. remember, he used to be a white house physician for both barack obama and donald trump. interestingly, there were text messages recently revealed that
the oath keepers had texted about him and tried to see how they could help keep him safe in the midst of that capitol talk. the committee wants to hear from ronny jackson and bigs and brooks. if past is any precedent here, we likely won't see any cooperation with these three. they've tried to get previous members, republican members to cooperate. they haven't seen anything fr fruitful. we're waiting for a response from these members of congress. again, the committee right now ramping up their investigative efforts as we head into may and expecting the first public hearings in early june. >> all right. let's see. jessica, thank you for that. thank you all for being here. i'm kate bolduan. "inside politics" starts after this. i earn 3% cash back at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited.
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hello. welcome to "inside politics". i'm john king. thank you for sharing you day with us. today an escape from hell on earth. ukrainians are finally finding a way out of a steel plant. able to ferry people away from the site of ukraine's land stand in the city of mariupol. listen to one of the women who made it out. a mixture of joy and disbelief. >> translator: i can't believe it. two months of darkness. we did not see any