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those polls close tonight. thank you for your coverage. appreciate it. a lot going on this morning including the stunning news from the supreme court, the idea that samuel alito has written a draft opinion overturning roe v. wade. cnn's coverage continues right now. an unprecedented breach and a stunning supreme court opinion draft. roe v. wade on the brink of being overturned. good tuesday morning. good to have you with us. i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto. breaking overnight, a draft, a draft supreme court opinion obtained by politico appears to show the nation's highest court poised to strike down roe v. wade. the move would reverse nearly 50-year-old precedent and lead immediately to the outlawing of most abortions in at least 13
states. >> it is important to be clear this is a draft opinion that was leaked. an official ruling likely would not be published until next month, until june. the language could change. this was written by justice samuel alito, circulated among justices in february. the opinion, likely has the support of four other conservative justices including thomas gorsuch, kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. >> we realize this is one of the most sensitive issues in our country's politics. many of you watching have strong opinions on this and perhaps personal experience as well as we cover this story today and going forward we will do our best to be sensitive to those points of view and have discussions that are respectful of them. we'll have much more on this story throughout the hour. plus, we are also following developments today out of ukraine. right now the mayor of mariupol says that a convoy filled with evacuees from that steel plant is making its way now to zaporizhzhia. this as both sides report fighting around the azovstal plant in mariupol, just this
morning. >> and we'll have more from ukraine. we do first want to get to that stunning leak of the supreme court draft opinion. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider is outside the supreme court. white house correspondent jeremy diamond on the north lawn. jessica, i want to begin with you. the supreme court predictably quiet on this leak. what is next? >> reporter: erica, the big question here right now is how and when does the court respond to this. i got in touch with the court's spokesperson last night, there was a no comment and that was all. we saw the chief justice john roberts leaving his home this morning, our producer nicky robertson asked him two questions, and no answer from the chief justice. this is a stunning breach of sec sy fo secrecy for the court. they keep things very quiet until they're ready to release the opinions on decision day. that not happening here. we're expecting the actual
decision to come down at some point in the next eight weeks. but politico reporting that this draft opinion was written by justice samuel alito, eliminating the constitutional right to abortion that has been in this country since 1973 with roe v. wade and then the follow-up opinion in 1992, planned parenthood versus casey. here is some of what that draft opinion says. the constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision. roe was egregiously wrong from start. it is time to heed the constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives. justice alito writing the opinion, but joined crucially by four conservative-leaning justices. justice clarence thomas, neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. notably justices have changed their votes in the past. it could happen again.
this draft opinion was circulated on february 10th, so a lot could have changed. but if this opinion holds and if it was ultimately released by the court, this would be a 5-4 decision overturning roe v. wade, and jim and erica, we're already seeing states react to this. democratic governors, republican governors, crucially there are estimates that about half the states would ban abortion if roe were overturned. we have seen many states already acting to enact legislation that would ban or severely restrict abortion. a lot at stake as we see what the court and how the court responds to this. guys? >> we do expect a statement from the white house at any moment. do you have a sense this morning of what the reaction will be? >> reporter: we certainly will get a statement from the white house, reacting to what we have seen with this leak of this draft opinion. and president biden himself could also comment on this as he leaves washington at 11:00 a.m. this morning. and heads for a stop in alabama. we can look to past statements
from the white house and from the president himself to see what exactly we would hear from the white house, they made a practice of not commenting on leaks in the past. i would be surprised if they refer to this draft opinion. we could hear from what we heard from president biden in the past, to say there is an unprecedented assault in his words on the rights that are enshrined in roe v. wade. he has also talked about taking every step in -- from the federal government's point of view to try and protect women's rights to access abortion services. and also we know that president biden has talked about wanting to codify roe v. wade and its rights into law. that is not practical or possible at this moment, given the current makeup of congress. the fact that the filibuster is still very much in effect. but you will hear president biden and the white house also talk about what they have done in the past. we know that over the last several months they have been preparing for this very type of potential decision from the
supreme court. they have also been responding to the numerous states in recent months that have been dismantling women's right to access abortion services, meeting with reproductive rights activists, meeting within the federal government, within the white house counsels office, the justice department, to see what federal levers exist and are in place that they could use to try and stop what they see as a backsliding of women's rights in the country. >> we will wait to hear more on that this morning. jeremy diamond, jessica schneider, thank you, both. also with us to discuss, laura coates, former federal prosecutor and author of just pursuit, a black prosecutor's fight for fairness and cnn contributor and professor at the university of texas law school. steve, i want to start with you, this is a draft as jessica just pointed out, this was -- this was distributed, circulated february 10th, not a final opinion. however, while it could change, is there any reason, steve, to believe that much of this would
change? >> yeah, erica, it is the right question. the best answer is we don't know. the politico story that came with the draft opinion last night suggested that there are, you know, circulated opinions in the court right now, that there are five votes, at least tentatively in support of this opinion. we have historical examples of the court changing its views of majority opinion becoming a dissent, of votes shifting at the last minute, season the abortion context. casey, the 1992 decision, that's part of what the court would be overruling on this draft opinion. it was one of those cases. so i think it is really important to put this in context. this is an enormous deal, but it is not a final deal. and we really have to sort of wait to see where the court ends up. if this is where the court is going, though, i think it is easy to see why this is an earthquake. it is an earthquake for constitutional rights in this country, a earthquake for millions of women in this country, frankly, erica, it is a earthquake for how the supreme court approaches older decisions
recognizing constitutional rights, not just in the abortion context. >> and to your point, it is actually two decisions we're looking at, roe v. wade establishing that right to abortion, and casey, which further codified the timeline before which an abortion is legal. i do want to ask you, laura coates, this has been something that has been brewing for some time, so that each confirmation hearing, the nominees are pressed on their position, not just on roe v. wade, but on precedent. and i want to play samuel alito's answer to this question during his own confirmation hearing and get your reaction to whether his answer differed from this opinion. have a listen. >> do you believe it is the subtle law of the land? >> roe v. wade is an important precedent of the supreme court. it was decided in 1973. so it has been on the books for a long time. it has been challenged on a number of occasions. and i think that when a decision is challenged, and it is
reaffirmed, that strengthens its value as stare decisis for two reasons. the more often a decision is reaffirmed, the more people tend to rely on it. secondly, i think stare descisi reflects the view that there is wisdom embedded in decisions that have been made by prior justices. >> stare decisis, latin term, legal code for saying basically respect for precedent. was that a misleading answer if it is indeed true that alito wrote the opinion overturning roe v. wade? >> well, it doesn't reflect what he believes today. that is certainly true. and the idea of saying how it essentially has been relied upon by generations of people. the value of precedent is about to have an understanding, collectively as a society, of what people's rights are, the constraints on those rights and the wisdom he spoke about essentially saying that time and time again as it is challenged, the wisdom has suggested from the very court itself that
decision was decided correctly. now he comes out in this draft opinion and, again, it is a draft opinion, and people are allowed to change their minds, but the fact that that draft opinion may have been written by the same person who said those words, suggests that he is suggesting that, no, no, no, it was decided wrong from the get go. that was not the answer he gave there. we know in supreme court confirmation hearings, time and again, one of the reasons that people are losing a lot of faith in the court, they assign a political perception to the confirmation process, is because you'll say what it takes to get the position to then do what you want later. this is not actually a benefit of the court, let alone the american people and i cannot believe i'm sitting here, jim, in the year of 2022, a right that i was born into as a society ahead, that my mother had, that my grandmother had, that my great grandmothers in her lifetime had, that at the stroke of a pen someone can say a fundamental right that is
within a zone of privacy that the court has said should be hands off for the government with the stroke of a pen can be taken away. there are a lot of things now on the chopping block. and, steve, you spoke about an earthquake, a familiar phrase the slippery slope in the supreme court. that which you do in one area could extend to others. well, fundamental rights include interstate travel, include the idea of same sex marriage, include same sex relationships, just to name a few. now, this is essentially gone. what's next? >> and, laura, thank you for leading us exactly where i was hoping to go, to your point, right, and steve, you saying this is a earthquake for constitutional rights, while we see in this draft justice alito saying this is only about abortion, i'm only talking about abortion here, the reality is as laura and you point out, this does open a can of worms. what does it mean for the other rights also tied to privacy? >> yeah, i think it means two different things. first, it means that it is now
open season. and if the court is willing to reconsider roe as a draft opinion suggests, what about griswold, 1965 decision recognizing the right to contraception on which roe is predicated, the right to make our own choices when it comes to end of life medical decisions, what about same sex marriage, interracial marriage? these are all rights that in one way or another the supreme court has traced in part to the same understanding, i think there is another piece here which is apart from the legal reasoning and the threads that start to unravel with an opinion like this, there is the optics of it. if this court is willing to go back on roe for all of the reasons laura powerfully suggested has become so entrenched in parts of our society, what wouldn't it go back on? it seems to be not just about the doctrine, but about the court as an institution and its willingness to go back on things we have taken for granted in this country. >> laura coates, question here, there is an argument that this is a right better decided or
adjudicated or granted if that's the right term by elected representatives. whether that be congress or state legislatures. is there something to that argument? >> well, in a way we have seen this movie before, when the individual states' rights try to overshadow what is the collective universal understanding of the constitution in this country, when it comes to issues of race, when it comes to civil war, when it comes to a whole host of things. interestingly, of course, individual states ought to be able to have some impact on that which is geographically unique, for example, areas that would only pertain to a particular constituency. but the areas and the ideas of reproductive health, there are women in every state, in this country. and there should be the right that are invested in men in this country in a similar fashion. and interestingly enough, clarence thomas, supreme court justice as you well know, has talked about the idea of a
rejection of a patchwork of laws as it relates to marijuana, for example, and the idea almost asking people, hey, inviting the people to say, is there a case that the supreme court ought to look at to do away with the patchwork philosophies that a person in one state doesn't have more rights than a person in another state. if they're willing to address and evaluate the idea of a patchwork as it relates to marijuana, surely we should be able to have an addressing of an u universal approach as it goes to women's rights in this country. by returning it to the states because you believe that it is a political wedge issue, much of the reasons we're at the united states of america, that we are today, is because the courts stepped in to resolve the political wedge issues, according to the constitution, that is not happening here. >> laura coates, steve, clearly the beginning of a conversation on the repercussions of this. thanks so much. still ahead this hour, we're
going to speak to abortion rights opponents who say this potential supreme court decision is the culmination of decades of work. we will also be joined this hour by the president of planned parenthood who have seen a surge of women seeking care in those states since the texas abortion law went into effect. what are they planning for now? first, we're live in ukraine, some civilians managing to escape mariupol. this, though, amid reports of heavy explosions at that steel plant where hundreds more remain trapped. stay with cnn. we'll have the very latest from the front lines. thinking that these two are in some sort of lover's quarrel. no, no, no. they're both invested... in grereen energy. and also each other. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do? (all): all hail, caesar! pssst julius! you should really check in with your team on ringcentral. oh hi caesar. weere just talking about you.
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says an evacuation convoy from the azovstal steel plant where so many had been seeking shelter has begun moving. you're looking at pictures there from the town of berdyansk. >> this as russians continue to bombard the sprawling facility. more than 200 civilians remain trapped there, waiting, hoping for evacuation. cnn international security editor nick paton walsh is in zaporizhzhia, ukraine, where many of the evacuees are able to leave mariupol, that's where they're arriving. nick what is the latest this morning? >> reporter: look, we have been hearing about the arrival all day, but it does appear we're a matter of minutes away from seeing the first arrivals from azovstal steel plant. why are they so important? because of what they have endured over the past two months. some of them we're told by leading ukrainian official here, women who have been at the very beginning of the war, wtwo monts
underground, merging into this evacuee reception center in zaporizhzhia. but, too, this 106, that's the number we have been given, by the ukrainian officials here, arriving are kind of a test case, so to speak. it involves the united nations and the red cross negotiating with the russians to get these people out, but that mechanism can be used again and again to get some of the hundreds of thousands civilians still left in mariupol out here to ukrainian held territory. i have to tell you, it has not been a textbook operation. it has been slow. it has been delayed. there are still some doubts of the timing here, though i have been warned that we may be seeing them arriving in imminent minutes ahead. but it is obviously utterly vital because it suggests that there might be the possibility of a u.n. here and the red cross to get the russians to do frankly which most modern armies would have done on a matter of decency months ago, let civilian corridor of people out from harm's way. what we have been seeing here in the past days is a slow drip of
people who have made their own way out of mariupol, under their own steam, found themselves blocked and checked by russian forces, and often circuitous journey here to ukrainian-held territory and the hope today in the next minutes we might start to see the beginning of what people hope on u.n. and international level could be a longer term effort to get people out of harm's way in mariupol. back to you. >> nick paton walsh, good to have you there. i'm joined now by new jersey congresswoman mikie sherrill, from the armed services committee and served in the navy for ten years as a helicopter pilot and a russian policy officer. knows a lot about this issue. thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> so we now have a proposal for 33 billion more dollars, a big chunk of military as well as humanitarian assistance to ukraine. the issue has been size and speed of this aid, getting the
right weapons to ukrainian forces, getting them there in time. in your view, is that happening now sufficiently for ukrainian forces to hold back this attempted russian advance? >> well, since i said from the start, after visiting ukraine, talking to president zelenskyy about a week before the russian invasion, we have got to supply the ukrainians with the weapons they need to fight off this aggression. and it is in large part because of this support that the united states and our nato allies have provided to the ukrainians that they have been so successful in their fight. we are seeing them utilize our support in a way that has been breathtaking and has made me incredibly proud of the support of the united states and certainly congress needs to act quickly and get this passed as soon as possible. >> there is a lot of attention on the may 9th victory day parade. there are some u.s. officials
who believe that this may lead to an announcement of an expanded military operation there, the possibility of declaring war, leading to a national mobilization of russia, a draft. there are other officials who are more skeptical of that. and believe that the russian president may attempt to declare victory for gains already made in ukraine. where do you stand? what are you look for on may 9th? >> well, you know, we'll see what putin says. i think the misinformation, disinformation effort to the russian people by their government has been ongoing throughout the whole war. so we don't know what they may try to purport has happened in ukraine. but what we do know is that where russia had at one time hoped, i think, to announce victory on may 9th, now that they're doing nothing of the sort. they simply have not had the expected gains that they and most people around the world thought that they could make with their military.
and that is, again, because of the success of the ukrainian troops and their real desire for democracy and their pushback against this horrible aggression. >> i want to ask you about a different topic, politico obtaining a draft decision by a majority supreme court justice to overturn roe v. wade. if this does turn out to be the decision of the highest court in your view should congress act to protect abortion rights and would the democratic leadership and majority have the votes to do so before the midterms? >> like so many women, people across this country, i heard this last night and really wrestled with what this would mean basically all night. it is just shocking to see this. it always felt in this country like women have been second class citizens, we have fought very hard for every gain we have made. when i graduated from the naval
academy, i was the first class of women to graduate with the ability to go into combat, lifting those restrictions. and so we have fought tooth and nail for what i think is sort of the crumbs at the table of justice, and now we are seeing just those very, very small gains now being rolled back. and this is, you know, our founding fathers were very worried about a tyranny of the majority. this is a tyranny of the minority. this is, you know, a very few people on the court and elsewhere rolling back protections that for 50 years this has been really the law of the land and that we have -- we have fought for, we will continue to fight for that, and work to pass what we can in congress. i think going into november the choice right now is very clear as we hear about things like women's rights, we care about things like voting rights, we care about our democracy. this is really set a bright line
for what we need to do going forward. >> new jersey is a state that has protections. its own state wide protects for a women's right to choose. do you expect that new jersey would, again, if this turns out to be true and roe is overturned become something of a haven, of a place where women would come from outside a state to get abortions? >> certainly, but we know that so many of the women who seek abortions don't have access to resources. so when you're talking about large parts of the south, large parts of the midwest rolling back protections for women, and we know some states have laws on the books, that when this is, you know, if this is actually what the supreme court passes, those laws will immediately go into effect, rolling back protections for women across large portions of the south and midwest. so certainly states like new jersey will become a haven to
people, but will women have the ability to get to new jersey? will they have access to that? so make no mistake, we're talking about rolling protections back for women who, you know, may die if they give birth and what is the decision they're going to make with their healthcare provider? what if a young girl gets raped and is pregnant? where are the protections there? this is really breathtaking and i think shocking and yet something that we have seen at work for many decades. as much as i am shocked as i sit here seeing this brief, i'm also in many ways this was expected and anticipated. so we have an incredible amount of work to do. >> very public effort through the years. congresswoman mikie sherrill, thank you for joining us. we look forward to having you back. >> thank you. still ahead here, as was just being discussed, that immediate trigger effect that could take place if roe v. wade
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more than half the states in the country are certain or likely to ban abortion if the supreme court does overturn roe. one of the states, oklahoma. the state's governor could sign a bill any day now which has been modeled after the controversial texas law. in oklahoma, this law would essentially ban most abortions and it would allow private citizens to enforce the law through lawsuits. joining me is emily wales, interim president and ceo of planned parenthood great planes. her organization covers oklahoma, kansas, missouri and arkansas. i'm curious, based on what happened last night, and this draft that we saw, how you planning for what could very well be an end to roe v. wade? the coming weeks? >> this is a devastating morning for our team. we have been talking about the possibility that roe would be overturned for some time and in many ways we have been living in a post roe reality. we have been seeing patients fleeing from texas for eight months now, who are desperate, in crisis and understand they
have fewer rights than they did a year ago. but at the same time there is something empowering, not being able to say out loud this is what is happening. the supreme court is going to overturn roe, it seems very clear in the draft decision, that's the plan. and now we mobilize and pushback and fight for our patients. >> you mentioned you've been in many ways preparing for this for some time. mikie sherrill was just on and said to jim sciutto, you know, sort of similar, you could see this coming and it is still a surprise to so many people this morning. does that surprise surprise you at this point in 2022? >> it doesn't surprise me because i'm often in conversation with people who do support abortion access and rights and our patients. and they didn't really think that roe could be overturned. for a long time now in the four states we serve we have been dealing with a web of restrictions and delays and burdens on patients, so we understood how close we were to losing access. if you haven't been paying attention, if you haven't had to get in the car and drive hours
overnight to access abortion, you may not realize just how close we are to the end of access. but here we are and the message could not be more clear. this is what's coming and it will be incumbent upon states to take action and to protect the people who live within the borders. >> stay with me for a minute. i want to go to my colleague jeremy diamond at the white house where there has just been a statement released from president biden. jeremy, what is he saying? >> reporter: we have this first reaction from president biden in the white house to this apparent draft opinion that would overturn roe v. wade, overturning nearly 50 years of precedence. the president does say we don't know whether this draft is genuine or whether it reflects the final decision of the court. and so with that caveat, he continues to say that he believes that a woman's right to choose is fundamental, and he says that roe has been the law of the land for almost 50 years, and basic fairness and the stability of our law demand that it not be overturned. the president also references
previous efforts that his administration has made so far as we have seen several of these other states overturn or degrade women's right to choose in various states across the country. saying that his administration has been looking at ways that it can use federal government powers to try and restrict what this administration sees as a backsliding of those fundamental rights. and he says we will be ready when any ruling is issued as a result of those efforts and finally the president also talks about the political implications of such a decision. and what would result from this. and that is to say this is going to turn into a central argument for democrats heading into those midterm elections in november. the president writes, if the court does overturn roe, it will fall on our nation's elected officials at all levels of government to protect a woman's right to choose and he says it will fall on voters in november to elect pro choice officials. finally he writes at the federal level we will need more pro choice senators and a pro choice
majority in the house to adopt legislation that codifies roe, which i will work to pass and sign into law. now, we heard the president previously say that he believes that the roe v. wade fundamental right to access abortion should be codified into legislation. right now with the current makeup of the house and the senate, that is not possible. as long as the filibuster remains in place, that is not possible, so you see the president here going to be making that case heading into the midterm elections in november, particularly if this is the final decision of the supreme court, which we expect to hear later this summer. >> jeremy diamond, thank you. if you're just joining us, also with is us emily wales. you just heard the president's statement there and as jeremy pointed out, there has been some talk about whether anything could be codified into law. the reality is there is also talk this morning about what could happen if republicans take back the house, if they take control of the senate, if a republican wins the presidency in the next election and what
that could mean nationwide. do you see that in the future here? >> federal protections have been important. and i am hopeful that you'll be able to see more of those in the future. the reality for the patients we serve is that even when roe is and it is today the law of the land, we have people who cannot get abortion in our regions past six weeks. we have people who cannot arrange for two trips to a health center to get care. it is not a protected right that exists in the way it does in other parts of the country where i live. and so it is going to be essential for states to also take action. the four states we serve, kansas has a state constitutional protection for abortion care and it is going to be the first state in the country to vote on whether to keep that protection there or actually remove it. and take away rights from the people who live in kansas. we are seeing this play out in real time because we have one state that served a huge number
of texans. this moment could not be more real for the people we're seeing. >> really quickly before i let you go, it is not just about banning abortions, there are groups which work actively to elect officials to ban abortions that also talk about care for pregnant women and care for those children. how much do you see that as being a focus legislatively moving forward in areas looking to ban abortion? do you think there will be more attempt to take into account the physical and emotional well-being and maternal health and also the health of that child post birth? >> that would be a change for the four states in which we operate. we do not have public health investments in people who do choose to mother and carry children. we also have seen things recommended this year that would prevent people from going out of state to get care. the focus, the single focus seems to be on limiting access to abortion, and really punishing and shaming people who
need it. i would be surprised to see things that are proactive steps to protect people who do -- >> emily wales, appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> thank you. we do continue to follow developments in ukraine and this is new, right now refugees are arriving from mariupol where they're taking shelter under intense russian attack for weeks. we're going to be live there in moments. it's still the eat fresh refresh™ and subway's refreshing everything like the new honey mustard rotisserie-style chicken. it's sweet, it's tangy, it's tender, it never misses.
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we told you their stories for weeks now, hundreds of civilians hunkering down, in the basement of a steel plant inside mariupol. well, now finally just in recent days some of them are fleeing to safety. arriving just now in zaporizhzhia, where cnn is on the ground. >> cnn's international security editor nick paton walsh is there. and i think talking with some folks who have just arrived. nick, what are you hearing from them? >> reporter: what you're seeing here, guys, what you're seeing here in front of our cameras are the first people to emerge from the buses here. now, you may actually recognize this lady from the reports that we put out last night. she emerged on video, in fact, in one of the videos taken of those who were lucky to get out from mariupol and has just emerged here, was asked where she's going to go, and said, look, i have nobody here. i don't know where to go now.
and tears on a couple of occasions. this is the journey that they were all be making as they endured that extraordinary escape from under azovstal, from where she has been for weeks. and now they have tried to piece their lives back together again. you can see in the exhaustion of her face, and you can see there just the -- around her neck, she's clearly been living in the dark. i asked her a moment ago, what is it like being in the sunlight? and she said, look, i'm actually having some difficulty seeing. and so these scenes are extraordinary because of the conditions people have endured over the past weeks, just to get to this very point. and the last ten minutes we have seen four, i think, buses arrive, possibly five, and they have emerged, talking of what
they have seen. and so the issue now for the united nations and the red cross is to take people from these buses here, make sure that they're in comfort, that they understand the steps ahead of them, they understand there are 100 or so individuals who have come off these buses here, and will now move towards the tents in this direction. now, the importance of this moment for these people is, of course, deeply personal because of the time they have spent underground during russian bombardment. and i can see in that lady's bag, she was carrying just the small amounts of medicine, the plastic cup, the toothbrush, the tissue paper that had been the things she was living off over the past weeks. and around here too, there are more people emerging from these buses. and the crowd of media, because
ukraine wants the world to know what they have endured. and this is hoped to be the start that they are using this mechanism and be yet more people to emerge from mariupol in the weeks ahead. possibly thousands. but these scenes are full -- fulfilling a lot of expectation hope over the past days and a moment of final peace for those who have been trapped in azovstal for some two months. back to you. >> we should remind, nick, the reason they were taking refuge there is because russian forces were leveling the city. it is the only safe place they could find. civilians the deliberate targets of russian attacks as they have been so often in this war. nick paton walsh, thank you for bringing us some of their stories. still ahead, a corrections officer is now accused of helping a murder suspect escape a jail in alabama. the last video of the two and why officials are now warning
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some new evidence, though, apparently convinced investigators these new charges are warranted. what is it that led to those charges? >> reporter: yeah, look, first of all, everyone here is still in shock, kis disbelief about t. you're talking about the second in command here believed to be involved in this. when we went inside yesterday and looked at the procedures that would have to take place for someone to move an inmate, you can obviously tell there was some forethought given to this. what we're told is there is some additional video and the location that they actually drove to. it's about an eight-minute drive away from here. they captured some video of them getting out of a car near a shopping center. they believe there was another car at that location, and they were able to get in that car and flee. one thing i will tell you, all this media attention that's been brought to this story has helped all these tips start rolling in. so far those tips haven't helped them. they've heard from people from florida, kentucky, and tennessee. but you got to think about this individual, casey white, you know, he is 6'9", over 260
pounds. you're talking about a big dude. they believe when people see this man with the tattoos on his arm and looking like this with a shaved head, he'll be easy to notice. but inside this jail, they are so shocked about this because this is a woman they worked with for years, and they cannot believe the level of betrayal happened here. this inmate was transferred in february to this, and then this woman, vicky was talking about retiring for months, talking about moving to a beach, sold her house, moved in with her mother, but there's no indication at all that there was something going on. look, there have been some reports about what could have been happening in this jail, but the jail workers themselves say they don't believe there was anything that was going on for quite some time. they are still shocked by this, and of course at this point, remember, there's a reward for both of them, and they're hoping some of this evidence that they're going through now will help them find these two. guys. >> ryan young, good to have you on the story, thanks so much. >> just ahead here, we continue our coverage of the fallout from that leaked draft opinion from the supreme court.
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a good tuesday morning to you, a busy news morning. i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm erica hill. we're following, of course, a major story this morning with wide ranging consequences in this country. a stunning supreme court draft opinion obtained by "politico," an unprecedented leak out of the nation's highest court. that draft shows the court poised to strike down roe versus wade. the move would of course reverse a nearly 50-year-old precedent and would immediately outlaw most abortions in at least 13 states. >> let's be clear, this is a draft opinion. an official ruling likely would not be published until june, and of course the language and the votes in this decision could change. this draft, however written by justice samuel alito who's been on the court for 16 years, in it