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"inside politics" starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. hello. welcome to "inside politics". thank you for sharing your time with us on this monumental news day. a supreme court shock wave. the justices are prepared to strike down roe v. wade. president biden telling reporters leaked information is wrong and more. >> it concerns me a great deal we're going to after 50 years decide a woman does not have a right to choose. if this decision holds, it's a radical decision. it's a fundamental shift in american jurisprudence. >> just last hour the high court confirming the document that leaked last night is authentic. the court careful to note no
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decision is final until it is officially issued, but the 98 pages written by justice leto lay out how the conservative majority plans to wipe away nearly 50 years of legal precedent. it's crystal clear. the court plans toe limb nate the constitutional protection for abortion and absent federal legislation, leave this issue to each of the 50 states. this from justice alito. we hold roe and casey must be overruled. he says the constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision. roe was egregiously wrong from the start. alito's draft joined by four other conservatives. clarence thomas and the four trump appointees. the news prompting an thunderstorms and a visceral reaction outside the court. both last night and then
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continuing today. the law's defenders flocking to the court steps to protest. the draft decision would reset american life by changing abortion access for millions of women. by delivering on decades of conservative activism and by injecting new uncertainty and urgency into the midterms now just 189 days away. let's go to the white house n nower a jeremy diamond. the president talking moments ago saying this should be a fundamental right but saying it may be up to voters. >> that's right. we heard president biden saying this draft opinion if it's the decision of the supreme court, would be quite a radical decision. he says it goes way overboard, and it would represent a fundamental shift in american jurisprudence. the president talking about this as a profound decision as it relates to abortion rights and also using that word, abortion, for the first time of his presidency, but saying he is equality concerned with the other implications for other privacy rights, including the
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right to marry which the president mentioned today. the president said that he hasn't thought yet about exactly how this is going to effect the midterms, but in a statement earlier today, we saw the president talking about the fact that this is up to voters to elect pro-choice candidates in november, and that if there is a sufficient democratic majority in the house and the senate, he would work to pass and sign into law a codification of the rights in trying in roe v. wade. you heard the president as he talks not only about abortion rights but also the broader privacy implications, perhaps beginning to form the contours of an argument that he might make to voters in the campaign trail heading into november. >> without a doubt a new chapter in the biden administration begins today. moments ago a remarkable confirmation from the court and the chief justice. yes the court says that draft decision that linked last night is real. and yes, now the chief justice wants to investigate how it became public. let's get to jessica snyder outside the supreme court. tell us more. >> reporter: the court finally in the last hour releasing a statement about this
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extraordinary leak and this stunning breach of secrecy. the court really saying two things here. that yes, this majority opinion is authentic, but then stressing that this is not a final opinion. the chief justice also issuing a lengthy statement saying at the end that he will task the marshall of the court with ib vest gaiting the source of this leak. john robert's statement was lengthy. he talked about the fact that this is an egregious but also a singular breach. he said to the extent the betrayal of the confidences of the court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed. what's interesting is the chief justice doesn't often speak with his statement or words outside of the court or off the bench. we saw something somewhat similar, a very poignant statement from the chief justice in november of 2018 when he really rebuked then president trump about calling some of the federal judges obama judges. that was really the last time we
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saw a forceful statement from the chief justice. but now the chief justice really trying to calm the american public, john. saying that yes, in fact, this draft opinion is authentic, but, of course, the shock waves still reverberating as we wait maybe several more weeks to see what the final decision will be here. john? >> jessica snyder for us outside the court. jess j appreciate that reporting. let's bring the conversation in the room with me to share their ib sights on the legal fallout and yes, the remarkable breach of court protocols. i want to come to the process in a minute. let's start with the substance. especially now that the court has confirmed this is an authentic document. an authentic document that as of today has five votes who would be the law of the land. it's been looked at this question. it believes 26 states would ban abortion if roe. >> reporter: we -- were reverse. you could have other
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restrictions in other states. the legal impacts if this comes out as law of the land, there are no votes in congress to codify it nationally right now. what happens across america? >> if we can back up the lens, it means women in the 21st century are going to be less constitutionally protected than in the 20th. it means middle-aged women in america are going to look at their daughters having less constitutional rights, less protection by the law than their mothers' generation did. and so it will have a real practical effect throughout the country, in particular, the nearly half the states that have laws that would be triggered by an outright overruling of roe and casey. >> you see the crowds outside the court yesterday and today. in the draft opinion, justice alito says that's the reason the court should get out of this. because it's a political debate, this is the reason the court should say no, it goes back to
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the legislatures, whether it's at the state of federal level. this is part of the decision in the draft. this court cannot bring about the solution by dictating a settlement and telling the people to move on. whatever influence the court may have on public attitudes must stem from the strength of our opinions, not an attempt to exercise raw judicial power. a shot at those in the majority on roe and in casey versus planned parenthood. he's saying it's still a contr controversy, so we should get out of this business. >> he minimizes the value of precedence. they rely on precedent. the idea is that judges are different from politicians. when the members of the bench changes, the law isn't supposed to change. this has been in place for 50 years, and what justice alito does in the draft dated february 10th, we don't know the status, but a strong sentiment,
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essentially brushing it back, saying roe v. wade doesn't even legitimate. the tone is so different from 1 1992 when the justices affirmed roe and said some of us might not have voted for it in 1973, but americans have relied on it, and a fundamental plank of the way the supreme court operates is adherence to precedent. and justice alito is saying not this press dent. >> as you read the document, there are a lot of progressives saying we told you so in the sense that the people who are now saying they would throw out planned parenthood versus casey and leave it to the states unless congress got the votes, they were all asked about this when they were confirmed. >> roe v. wade is an important precedent of the supreme court. it was decided in 1973. so it's been on the books for a long time. >> do you view roe as having
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superprecedent. >> senator, i -- superprecedent -- >> in numbers. 44. >> it has been reaffirmed many times. i can say that, yes. >> as a judge, it is an important precedent of the supreme court. by it, i mean roe v. wade and planned parenthood versus casey. >> it signals i might tilt one way or another in a pending case. >> that was careful. the others said things suggesting they cared about precedent. a lot of liberals are saying they lied. did they lie or wiggle? >> for 40 years now we've given all nominees to the supreme court a free pass when it comes to answering basic questions about what they think about supreme court precedent. every one of the four of us sitting at the table has a view on roe v. wade. we're not federal judges, but it
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strains logic to suggest the people senior attorneys don't have views or don't wish to weigh in. we've got to get off this idea that the supreme court is this apolitical body that exists outside of politics when less than two years after a major personnel shift at the court, a major precedent is falling. this idea that the court sort of exists outside and above it all, it's just not reality. >> it is not, and we're going to talk more about the potential. we don't know. let's be clear. we have no idea how this will play out. anyone who tells you they know how it's going to play out is making it up. president biden said his concern was not just that the right to choose, the right -- the abortion rights would be wiped out. he believes this is a precedent that would wipe away other rights. same sex marriage or other interpretations of privacy. justice alito knew that was coming. he says no, to ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize
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our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right. nothing in this opinion should be mis -- >> is that to be believed or does this allow you to go in and challenge other privaciprivacie? >> i have to say, justice alito, with all due respect, constantly putting that kind of line into his opinion saying don't take this to be more than it is. please, i know i'm going to be criticized for this, but it's a little bit too much. and what he does is he looks at the precedent that roe was built on. privacy rights and other due process rulings and essentially cast out on some of that scaffolding. he doesn't say i'd reverse those, too. but he certainly this kind of opinion, if it comes out exactly as it stands now, could be used by any creative litigants
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against same sex marriage, against' other rights to privac. they might not win, but it could be used. >> there's a page leading into the paragraph where he lists off every one of the rights. it defies logic that this opinion could not be used, the same logic that none of the things were laid out in the constitution 200 years ago. the same logic could be used to strike them down. it just defies reason. >> this opinion also represents at least in its draft form, i think justice alito's best case for overturning roe. so then the question really becomes as we look forward to when the court issues the ultimate decision, will the other justices in particular, for example, justice kavanaugh, go along with this strong rebuke and overturning of roe, or is there still some room for one of the other justices to find a narrower holding eventually?
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>> is the leak, we don't know the answer. is the leak designed to get him to change his mind or designed to make sure he does not change his mind? that's one of the mysteries as we watch this play out. next for us, the election year, political impact. republicans already saw inflation and immigration as their tickets to control congress. but would a landmark abortion rights ruling change this year's campaign terrain? and carvana's customer advocate caitlin picking up his car at promptly 10am. then paying him right there on the spot. we'll drive you happy at carvana. when high quality is the only quality that matters, we fit your standards, with no-compromise quality and a lifetime guarantee. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget,
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woman's right to choose and every american is going to see which side every senator stands. >> the court should tune out the bad faith noise and feel completely free to do their jobs. >> i feel really angry about this. and what i feel angry about is that an extremist supreme court is going to impose their views on the rest of america. >> manu raju has more. welcome to the midterm election campaign rewrite. >> reporter: no question about it. this is the reaction dividing sharply along partisan lines. you heard schumer saying he would try to force a vote in the united states senate, but there are not the votes in order for it to become law. they need 60 votes in the u.s. senate to overcome a filibuster. who democrats, cinema and
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manchin, manchin an opponent of abortion rights. republicans critical but mostly critical about the leak that actually occurred. not talking as much about the impact this draft opinion essentially becomes the law of the land. ultimately the question is how will this come down in the midterm elections where democrats are telling me they plan to make this issue front and center. one key senate republican campaign chairman says it's not the galvanizing issue that democrats hope. >> i believe they're in sync with the majority of the american people. this is a very big issue. it's front and center, and it's clearly an issue the democrats are aligned with for the majority of american people. >> i think you talk to people is one of the biggest issues right now with the inflation, stuff like that. >> reporter: that last point, an interesting one. rick scott saying that republicans believe that the issues are going to be the economy, not about abortion and democrats saying it will galvanize their supporters going
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forward. you're seeing the dividing lines playing out early here. but john, no doubt about it, there will be no shortage of rhetoric on both sides of the issue, particularly if and when this draft opinion becomes the law of the land. >> live on the hill for us y. appreciate it. let's go back to the room to share reporting and insights. you hear the reaction there. what senator scott said, i think abbie, was telling. he wants to talk about inflation and imdwmigrationimmigration. they think young people are going to stay home in the election because they don't traditionally vote in the midterms and they might be mad at democrats for not passing ambitious agendas. rick scott saying i don't think so. we don't know the answer. >> i don't think we know how much of a reaction this is going to produce on the left. or how much it might produce on the right. as this opinion seems to, if it holds, reinforce the right's view the court is of utmost
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important. i think it signals that this -- going as far as to roll back roe v. wade is beyond where public opinion is. 70% of americans do not -- are not in favor of rolling back roe v. wade. that means that they're not in favor of an outright ban on abortion where they live. and democrats can now reasonably say that that is a possibility in part because republicans across the country have been saying that that is their goal. in oklahoma, the governor of that state saying we want to ban all abortions in this state. it just makes it easier for democrats to make that case. >> to your point about the polling, this is the most recent cnn poll on this question. it goes back to earlier this year about the numbers being consistent. 69% in americans say they don't support a full reversal of roe v. wade. here's where it's interesting and we'll have to test during the midterm campaign. how would you feel into the supreme court overturned roe v.
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wade? 14% happy. 12% satisfied. 25% dissatisfied. 35% angry. 14% couldn't. if you're trying to motivate voters. if democrats can turn anger about the court ruling into a turnout motivator, it could change the dynamics of the year. >> that's what they're looking at and talking about. abortion rights groups are talking about how this is really going to be a rallying cry for the midterms. i think you're going to see this a lot, especially as you said in some of these swing districts in the suburbs. some of the areas that are often hold for them to hold or capture. the question is just how big an issue this will be or will inflation, the economy, prices, be top of mind for a lot of voters. >> i think it will depend state by state, district by district. we can put the map up. their analysis is 26 states would be certain to ban abortion or likely to ban abortion when
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you see the states. remember, those states for a second. this also becomes not just a question for the president. not just a question for congress. but there are also 36 governor's races on the ballot. i'm going to switch the map. you saw arizona on the map and texas. you saw florida on the map and michigan and wisconsin on the map. i could go on. this is going to become a test now in every race for governor. if this is now left to the states, what would you do? >> right. and governors will have the power to sign or not sign those bills that are being passed. i think in governor's races it might have the most impact. and also, it's worth pointing out democrats don't have a whole lot of options on capitol hill. in the short term, they can try to pass legislation to codify roe v. wade, but they don't have enough support in the senate for that. they're not going to get rid of the filibuster. really, their only hope is to not only keep the senate but also the house. that is an uphill battle. >> and the challenge is democrats see this as potentially a motivating
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political issue for them. also seeing divides where the president would not commit today, demanding democrats and the filibuster to do that. susan collins says she feels burned if this holds out. she pressed them at the confirmation hearing and said if this holds up, she'll feel burned. if democrats get any help from republicans? i doubt it in an election year. >> i doubt it. you heard murkowski saying she's worried what the direction of the court is going to go in. there's some noises that might seem friendly to democrats, but that's a different question from whether they would be willing to throw out the filibuster to make this happen. but one thing that i think is causing this conversation to be even louder is just the prospect that if the senate does change hands, would republicans facing the same pressure on the other side, consider changing the filibuster in order to ban abortion nationwide? so this is a conversation happening on both sides of the
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aisle right now in private, and i don't think frankly as we sit here, either side has the votes to do it. and even among people who are friendly. >> one thing it reflects is the moment we're in in abortion politics. that there aren't a lot of voices in the middle anymore. both parties have really moved in either direction. democrats, there's very few democrats expressing support for restrictions on abortion. very small number -- like collins and murkowski, expressing support on the right. that's something that's evolved over several decades and something that sort of president joe biden has had to try to evolve with. he previously would call himself in the middle of the road abortion, and during his campaign, he had to reverse his opinion on the hyde amendment. we've seen the parties shift. >> we have seen the parties shift, and now we may see a shift again as we watch this play out throughout the year. we'll stay on top of the re stories. when we come back, ukraine. families were separated for
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nonstop bombardment, but he hopes to evacuate what he says is 100 remaining civilians there. in the east ukraine says it has fought off 12 russian attacks in the luhansk and donetsk regions. a call between the french president and putin today lasted more than two hours. the kremlin insisted it is still open to dialogue with ukraine. cnn covering this war across the battle zone. scott mclain is in lviv. first, nick paton walsh. you have been witness to many emotional moments today. >> reporter: yeah. extraordinary to see finally after days of expectation, global expectation in hopes that we would begin to see people in the worst affected area possibly of the country. the steel plant in the heavily besieged port city of mariupol emerge. those buses did finally come out. after two days, frankly, of
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waiting and the holding of them by president zelenskyy of ukraine, the evacuation could have gone at 8:00 a.m. on monday. here we are, tuesday around, and finally they came to zaporizhzhia ukrainian held territory. people coming off the buses. three of them that i recognized from videos we'd seen of them emerging from the rubble of the steel plant, a video filmed by ukrainian troops on the scene there. and they emerged, olga in her 70s, blinking still at the sunlight. having been in the basement for two months of that steel plant. heavily fortified area. they've been under intense bombardment. also we recognize valentina with her child, a son who turned six just two days ago as they said in the video, she emerged, and that child has spent a third of his life underground. she was full of praise of the ukrainian soldiers who managed to bring baby food and diapers to her infant soon there, but also described how now she still
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is terrified of the sound of aircraft. she associates that with the intense bombardment of that plant. these scenes, emotional. families reunited in front of us as they got off only five buses. just over 100 people taken out. it's not really the volume of those who got out today, john. it's the fact that the u.n. and the red cross, the united nations and red cross were able to orchestrate this through russian check points. not a large number of people. vulnerable people. the hope is this might be able to ignite a larger volume of civilians getting out of mariupol. the complexity of this task does i think leave certainly in my minds doubts as to how easy it will be to get the humanitarian corridor going. hearing the website accounts for what it's like inside mariupol, urgently needed. >> after all, we've heard in recent days and weeks, even a small dose of hope the helpful.
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scott, what are we hearing from the battlefield today? >> reporter: as you mentioned, may 9th is coming up pretty quickly, and vladimir putin at least according to western sources perhaps not wanting to pass up the opportunity to use it as the symbolism of it. of course, putin has frameed this as an operation to denazi if i ukraine. perhaps they want to use this day to his advantage by either declaring war as you mentioned earlier, declaring victory, declaring that russia was annexing donetsk and luhansk. there are a lot of possibilities of how he could use this day. if he were to declare war, that would give him the possibility of formally instituting a draft, calling up more reservice and trying to bolster his troops in the eastern part of the country. american estimates are before the war there were 110,000
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troops. now there's 20,000 just outside of the border region. but as of late, the head of the military administration in the luhansk region says the russians are having a difficult time trying to take towns and villages on the ground. and so instead, they are resorting to bombing and artillery campaigns, lobbing any explosive device into a town to flatten them and force the ukrainians to retreat. today there were nine civilians killed in the donetsk region according to the ukrainians. ukraine now says that the russians are taking some equipment out of storage and bringing it to the frontlines to try to replenish what they've lost already. >> scott mclain for us. thank you. we'll continue to watch developments in ukraine. coming up, the senate nomination in ohio is one big prize and a test of donald trump's sway with republican voters. . oh hi caesar.
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polls are open right now. it is primary day in both indiana and ohio. as you can see from the map, both of the states factor into one of the big prizes this midterm election year, control of the united states senate. it is 50 democrats, 50 republicans at the moment with the vice president breaking the tie. if they want to get a majority, one key for republicans is hold what they have. republicans control ohio right now and indiana. indiana is not considered much
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of a contest this year. the republican incumbent is expected to win reelection. ohio is interesting. ohio is an open race. the current republican incumbent is not running for reelection. you have a crowded primary right now, five leading candidates. five leading republican candidates. only one of them, state senator has distanced himself from the big lie. the others are aligned and promoting trump's big lie. this candidate, vance has trump's endorsement. it makes today's primary interesting. does donald trump have enough sway to influence voters in his way? j.d. wans says i'm grateful for the former president's support. mandel sometimes has to explain why he doesn't have it. >> he recognizes that whether he have a republican party that fights is the fundamental
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question in this primary. >> tell us why trump supports j.d. vance instead of you? >> i don't know the answer to that. but i can tell you this, sir. tomorrow we're going to win the election. and after that, i'm going to work very closely with president trump. >> our panel is back with me. this is a seat republicans want and need to help if they hope to get the senate majority of the trump factor. that's one of the big questions tonight. >> that is the big question. heading into this entire primary season is how much is a trump endorsement worth? and this will be a first early test, but i will say one word of caution. even if j.d. vance doesn't win here, that doesn't mean trumpism lost. there are multiple candidates who position themselves as a pro trump candidate. and one argues if vance loses, it might be because his opponents have drawn attention to his past criticism of trump.
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after a few months, there is going to be a score card for trump about his record and endorsements and it's a risk he got so involved. if that record doesn't look good, his 2024 rivals are going to look at that and be more inclined to challenge that. >> you would think trump understands that, yet he messed up the name the other day. we'll watch as it plays out. to melanie's point, only state senator doland has said the 2020 election was fairly decided and joe biden is president. the other candidates have to one degree or another embraced the big lie. it tells you about the continuing trump effect endorsement aside. >> and doland says he's not anti-trump. he's just anti-the big lie that particular part of it. and so that's why this race tonight will tell us actually about the size of the part of the republican electorate that is -- maybe they're okay with trump. they are tried and true republicans but they don't like
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the big lie. that's important. because there is probably a sizable number of republicans not just in ohio but in other states, who are uncomfortable with the former president's near obsessive focus with the big lie, and ohio is a case study for that because doland has tried to differentiate himself on that issue. >> we focus on the trump endorsement, but show the top five candidates. you see in the middle timp kin, she has senator portman's endorsement. it doesn't seem to have helped there. i think there's a question that the establishment in the party, even if trump's endorsed candidate doesn't win, they can't do chest thumping. >> we're in reordering about who has power and can boost the candidates. we're waiting to see how this plays out. right? but certainly, again, 2020, the big question obviously is how powerful trump's endorsement is. we saw he has a mixed impact in 2020 and the midterms when he
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was president in terms of when it wasn't him, when it's not him on the ballot, people don't always feel the same way. >> i'll count votes tonight. that's something i love to do. see us tonight. looking at the republican divide here, this also race -- this state has a rematch in ohio's 11th congressional district. williams, now a congresswoman, won this race last year against nina turner. she's a bernie sanders accolade. the democrats want to have this fight one more time. >> yeah. and i think this is just a sign of the fact that that divide among democrats is not going away. the progressives are pretty angry, in fact, about the last six to eight months and this is one of the races that kind of shows you where that anger is showing up and how much impact it has in a state like ohio that is trending much further to the right than it had been in prior election cycles. >> tonight kicks off a very important month of primaries.
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quote, just ignore him like i do. that was mitch mcconnell's
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advice regarding liz cheney and how she believes he should deal with donald trump. that's according to a book out today. "the new york times" author says he could not understand why cheney kept criticizing trump. mcconnell said the congresswoman signed her own death warrant. in his mind she was committing a cardinal sin. when you're in leadership, the last thing you want to want is to be a liability for members. his counterparts, he said, were a mess. alex and jonathan are here, and their book is available today "this will not pass". jonathan, that's one of the things you cover in the book. that's an example. one of the vignettes of the get set, one of the big topics of the book, the tensions in the republican party over the trump question. >> as the months go on in 2021, we chronicle in this book, john, that mcconnell and cheney begin
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a sort of allies in january and february of 2021. they're appalled by donald trump's conduct. they're infuriated about his inciting the mob that stormed the capitol, but cheney won't drop it. and she won't stop talking about donald trump, and mcconnell wants to turn attention to the elections. and mcconnell glances over at the house and sees cheney talking about trump still, and mccarthy can't quite corral her. he believes his counterparts over there, as he put it, are a mess. >> and alex, to that point, that's a question, the ohio primary tonight, for example. the ohio senate primary, it's an unanswered question. you explore it quite well, but we don't know the end. >> that's right. and the tension that jonathan just described where a small number of republicans including liz cheney want to continue prosecuting the case against donald trump, perhaps literally,
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and mitch mcconnell wants to move on and focus on the 2022 elections continues to hang over this primary season. you referred to ohio kicking off this big stretch of primaries. mitch mcconnell has a lot at stake. so does trump. the power of the trump endorsement is being tested in state after state. for mitch mcconnell, this could determine if he has a good shot at becoming majority leader again and maybe just as important, what kind of majority he would have. it is very, very possible that mitch mcconnell later this year will get his wish of winning back the senate majority, but the balance of power will be candidate's hand picked by donald trump, and that is not what he was hoping would happen last year when he told liz cheney it's time to move on from donald trump. >> and another gift of this book, folks watching at home, these are two of the best political reporters in the country. you also detail many great individual stories that get at the tensions in the democratic party, including this one about nancy pelosi and the relationship between obama and biden. obama and biden spoke by phone
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occasionally but not often. hardly the stuff of the type brotherhood both men sold to the country as a cherried political favor. pe employee told a friend obama is jealous of biden. echoed pelosi's view in conversation with an adviser several months into his tenure. i'm confident that barack is not happy with the coverage of this administration as more transformative than his. >> biden, you have to understand the context. we get into it in the book. biden felt he was never fully respected by president obama's inner circle and he was looked down upon for eight years as vice president. and so part of what's happening in 2021 is that biden feels the opportunity not only to go big in his agenda and be a consequential president for history. he also sees an opening to one-up obama in that crowd around him that he feels never gave him the respect he
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deserved. and he looks around the spring of '21, a year ago now, a different moment, and thinks i could be a bigger figure on policy than obama. and he ain't going to like that. >> why is pelosi talking about this, alex? >> well, she is one of the relatively few figures in the democratic party who speaks pretty frequently with both men. this is not a speculative statement on nancy pelosi's part. it's not her watching obama from afar and saying he seems envies you, this is the speaker saying there's a rivalry and the former president is jealous of his former running mate. >> appreciate both of your time today. and folks at home, you want to understand what's happening, this is a great place to start. thank you. we'll continue the conversation. thank you for joining us today. we'll see you tomorrow. i'll see some of you tonight. ana cabrera picks up our coverage after a quick break.
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