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340 moment. we have two major breaking stories here and around the world. the breaking news on election night. cnn is projecting trump endorsed jd vance you saw on the screen will win the gop primary for the senate in ohio as repercussions will go beyond ohio. john king will be with us in a moment to lay it out and the major story that stands to impact this entire country. protests nationwide as the shock waves shred over the stunning draft opinion that would spell the end of roe v wade taking away a right americans had for half a century. a seismic shift in women's rights and health care and president joe biden says it could affect all decisions in your private life. here he is. >> tif this decision holds, it' really quite a radical decision. it basically say the all the decisions related to your private life, who you're married, whether or not you decide to conceive a child or not, whether or not you can have
an abortion a range of other decisions how you raise your child. >> the vice president of the united states camkamala harris a fiery speech blasting weaponizing the law against women. >> those republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women, will we say how dare they? how dare they tell a woman what she can do and cannot do with her own body? >> got a lot ahead on every aspect of this very huge story and we've got more on the very latest results in some high p profile primaries that may tell us a lot about the former president's hold on his party. and as vladimir putin's war ranges on, a drone hit two military positions on russian occupied snake island where ukrainian troops famously cursed out russian invaders. one russian soldier saying to a russian warship go f yourself.
this is the breaking story now. we're covering two stories tonight, the seismic change in the country, potentially coming from the supreme court but first, the news from john king at the magic wall. jd vance is projected primary victory. john, how did he do? >> without a doubt jd vance benefitting from the endorsement. no other way to describe it. lagging in the polls. we project he will win the republican senate primary in the key midwest battle ground state of ohio and increasingly republican states. jd vance projected as a winner tonight, the favorite to win this seat in the fall. retiring senator rob portman not running for reelection. jd vance with a 62,540 lead. it was close. jd vance stretching out how? look at the color. he's a lighter red shade here. he's everywhere in rural ohio. josh mandel running second. very protrump candidate.
these rural counties if you go back to the presidential race and look, joe biden won seven counties in ohio and donald trump carried the state by eight points. look at this. right? look at this in 2020. fast forward to tonight. j.d. vance gets the trump up eve endorsement winning in ohio and holding his own here hamilton county, cincinnati where vance is at headquarters. a more narrow margin but holding his own there, as well. it's impressive. in a crowded race you might say well, he's got 32% of the vote. the trump endorsement without a doubt helping j.d. vance win this nomination tonight in the key state republicans need to hold this seat, ohio. >> john king at the magic wall beginning coverage. thank you. the state and local races will have more import now that we're following what is happening with the supreme court. i want to turn to the protest happening across the country over the stunning supreme court draft opinion that would spell the end of roe v wade. i want to get right to cnn
senior legal affairs correspondent paula reed and chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin joins us, as well. the supreme court confirmed this draft opinion is real. what is the fallout following the unprecedented leak of this major draft opinion? >> reporter: well, don, chief justice roberts called this an egregious breach of trust at the court. he's called on the marshall of the court to investigate but it unclear what any potential crime would be here unless there was evidence that this opinion was stolen or somehow hacked and until there is any evidence of that, this really is a political issue. both for the court itself, for the justices and also for lawmakers. the court today issued a rare statement insisting that this was not the final decision of the court. but that has done little to quail the backlash. you can still faintly hear some protests behind me. most of the protesters at this point have dissipated but there
are more protests planned for the rest of the week. as for the justices, there are questions whether some of them may not have been truthful in their confirmation hearings when asked about roe, about casey and about abortion. and then of course, a lot of fallout on capitol hill today with democrats calling for additional measures to protect abortion rights but then you saw republicans really wanting to focus on the leak itself and not this broader question of abrgs ri -- abortion rights. >> if roe is overturned, if it's over overturned, it's going to have an immediate impact with bans in place. is it clear what happens criminally if a woman gets an abortion in those places or if a doctor performs one? >> no, that's one of the very many open questions. this is a huge decision but it actually opens a new area of law that didn't exist for almost 50 years because abortion was a
protected right under the constitution. if this decision holds, it is no longer a protected right and those are the questions. like what are the penalties if a woman tries to get an abortion in texas and oklahoma? in any of these 20 states? can she be criminally prosecuted? will she be? what about a doctor that performs an abortion? this isn't just about the red states, it about the blue states. many states banning abortion now are banning aiding and abetting an abortion so what if a woman in new york pays for an abortion in texas? what if a woman in new york puts in the mail the pill for a medical abortion, a medical abortion is a much more common form of abortion these days. can the person in new york be prosecuted by texas? all of these questions are now up for grabs and, you know, we're going to be dealing with
this fallout for years. >> jeffrey, look, none of this is though though red -- theory. to sue anyone who helps a missouri resident. again, if it happens, as you said, someone across state lines, someone gives someone money. how do you actually figure that part of it out? is it going to be people anonymously helping people to give abortions? do you understand what i'm saying? >> it's huge. i understand exactly what you're saying and i wish i had a clear answer for the legal implications here but when you take a right that has been guaranteed by the supreme court for almost 50 years and you simply take it away and create a whole new legal regime about abortion where something that was a constitutional right is
now potentially a crime the way alito wrote it, there is open questions. it's not just about the red states. the people in the red states, their situation is clear. it will be illegal in just about half the country to get an abortion but people in the blue states where it's legal, their interactions with the red states, they are potentially at risk and all of this is sorted out. both in the state legislatures and this is where most of the fight will take place in state legislatures but also in the courts as these controversies bubble up and they will be a lot of them. >> you're saying red states, blue states but are you referring to the bill in missouri where abortion laws if obtained out of state, out of missouri, out of state -- how is that going to affect other people? how does that affect the people who are involved here? >> that's what i'm saying about
when these states, when a state like missouri says it's not just illegal to have an abortion within the state of missouri, it's illegal to help someone get an abortion, pay for it, get the supplies for it means potentially they could prosecute people outside the state. in addition, as you point out, they have this bounty hunter provision which first came to light in texas where someone in chicago, this happened in texas. someone in chicago can say i know a doctor in texas who is having -- who is performing abortions. this person in chicago who has absolutely no connection to anyone in texas, that person can sue the doctor and get damages. that's how -- >> that makes no sense, jeffrey. i'm trying to understand it. you were saying red and blue and
missouri that has a law if someone out of state -- it confusing. i understand what you're saying. >> i'm doing my best but that's the law. it's confusing. >> paula, you're there at the supreme court. >> we wait the law of the land opinion published in this case. so until likely late next month when that final opinion is published, they will be a lot of questions, a lot of speculation about the justices have changed their vote that is something that happens during this process or if the contours of this authentic draft opinion have changed in any way. the biggest questions the result of the leak are what will happen to abortion rights and also other individual rights that have been recognized by the court. could this potential opinion be a template for rolling back rights like same-sex marriage or access to contraception?
those are the big questions but folks will continue to ask who leaked this and why? right now, don, we do not have any answers to those questions. >> jeff, you know the former justice john paul stevens wrote in the book that in the 1992 case that reaffirmed roe, the supreme court had the votes to overturn roe in the private conference. that's according to the washington post. chief justice circulated a draft 0 popinion for the court on may 7th, 1992 but that went the other way when announced in june. what would have happened if that draft had been leaked? you know what i'm saying. what will happen now? we don't know, do we? >> i'm a great advocate of transparency. supreme arguments should be televised. i do understand why the justices want to keep their private deliberations private. the secrecy is designed to
encourage negotiation, compromise. that's really difficult if the drafts are -- if the drafts suddenly become public and let just be clear about one thing, you know, there have been a very small hand full of cases where the votes of the justices are disclosed somewhat in advance of a decision but never, never in the history of the supreme court has a draft of a case much less an earth shaking case like this one been made public in advance of a decision. so, you know, this is a situation in terms of the operations of the supreme court that is literally without precedent and -- >> but my point is, jeffrey, that this could go differently than what many people are expecting especially many in the news media are saying well, this is -- and politicians. this is the end. this is whatever. we don't know.
this is a draft document. >> that is true and what happened in 1992 was the looking like they were getting ready to overturn roe, david suitor, kennedy, they got together and decided along with john paul stevens and harry blackman on the court at that point, the five got together after the conference and said you know, we're going to cut back on abortion rights but we are going to preserve what they called the core of roe v wade. it is possible that something like that could happen here but there is a big difference. the difference is the record and the political outlook of the justices who are on the court now. amy coney barrett, knneil gorsu, brett kavanaugh, they are all on
the record with a great deal of skepticism about abortion rights. that's different than 1992. the idea that any of those five will suddenly have second thoughts, it's possible of course but it's a very unlikely scenario and very different from the personnel on the court in 1992. >> that's what i was getting at. jeffrey toobin wrote a book called "the nine" i read back in the day that explains this. >> about that case. >> about that case, yeah. thank you, jeffrey. thank you, paula. next, the governor vowing to protect the right to abortion in her state where if roe is overturned, the state law that's on the books could make abortion illegal immediately in almost all cases. when i'm on my hands and knees and i'm digging through the dirt, i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me.
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michigan's 1931 abortion ban that would take effect if roe is overturned. what would this mean in terms of the immediate impact? >> yeah, well, so if roe is overturned, michigan will revert to having one of the most extreme laws in the country. we would go overnight from a pro-choice state to a state that makes it a felony to perform an abortion. it would criminalize the act of giving an abortion to a woman who is the victim of insist or rape even. it would be one of the most extreme laws on the books and that's why we surveyed the tools available to me as governor and filed this lawsuit over a month ago because we saw the direction that it looked like the united states supreme court was taking and we thought it was important to take this case straight to our state supreme court and ask them to rule that the michigan constitution confers a woman's right to abortion, a right to make her own health care decisions underst our state
constitution. >> governor, look, if the 1931 law you're challenging doesn't get overturned, what then do you do? >> i mean, we got people collecting signatures to go to the ballot and amend the constitution. that's out route we're taking. we can't assume any of these is going to be individually successful, that's why we have to pursue that. the fact of the matter is, don, in michigan like across the country, 70% of the people support a woman's right to choose whether it is personally something people might not exercise, the vast majority of people whether they're republican or democrat, whether they are business leaders or religious leaders understand this is a fundamental american right conferred on women to have agency over our own bodies and that's why it is important for us to enlist all these people in the fight we need them in the fight. this is something that is going to have a dramatic impact on millions of women in my state and that's why i'm fighting.
>> it seems that this fight seems to be with the extremes and what i mean by that is people who are uncomfortable with abortion are generally favored objections for rape and incscest and many in laws don't have that clause. >> as a survivor myself, growing up, you know, i always knew that if i needed to exercise this kind of a choice after finding myself pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy, that was something i could do. thankfully, i never was in that position, but i'm going to fight like hell to make sure every woman has those rights and my daughters and their generation does and generations after them. >> what about the folks who say and because there are many republicans and conservatives and people who believe in as i say the right to life, that abortion should not be, should not go unrestricted. is there somewhere in the
middle? is there a compromise somewhere? >> listen, you know what? this is a fundamental constitutional right that women in america have had for 49 years. whereas a lot of conversation about the pandemic and the disproportionate impact it's had on women particularly women with fewer resources. we want to support women. you don't start by taking agency away from making their own health care decisions. this is something that shouldn't be up to politicians that shouldn't be up to judges frank ly. it should be squarely a woman's determination with advice from fighting for. >> democrats what. to codify roe into law. they probably don't have the votes in the senate or to end the filibuster. quite frankly, they're stuck. there are republicans that want to see a nationwide ban on abortion. could that happen if republicans regain congress and the
presidency? >> absolutely it crowdkoud coul. six months ago people didn't think roe could be overturned and yet, here we are. this is a very real scenario. it not theory or hair on fire. this is happening. that's why it's incomekcumbent to be part of the fight and for me to use every tool in my tool box to fight like hell but we need allies across my state and country to lean in here and not to make any assumptions that this isn't a very real threat because it obviously is. >> okay. so another political question. you said this shouldn't be left to the politicians but you're up for election, reelection this year if the supreme court does in fact overturn roe v wade, what impact will this have on this year's election? >> when i tell you that 70% of michigan people reck nieognize is a fundamental right of americans, i'm talking about 70%, that crosses partisan
lines. that crosses religious lines, that crosses gender lines. and that's precisely why this is the right fight and so important that people who do support reproductive choice and women's fundamental rights lend their voices, jump in the fight with us. we need your fight now. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> thanks, don. good to be with you. does tonight's win by jd vance show the former president is still a king maker in the gop? we have cnn's political itical to discuss that and what is happening at the court. that's next. ff works down to the root so weeds don't come back. this stuff works without hurting your back. this stuff works guaranteed, or your money back. this is roundup weed & grass killer with sure shot wand. this stuff works.
okay. so this is our big news, the breaking news cnn projects jd vance will win ohio'sprimary. i want to go to jeff zeleny. jeff, hello to you. trump's endorsement pushed fans out in front of a crowded field. what did he have to say tonight? >> reporter: don, it absolutely did. just about three weeks or so before the endorsement, j.d. vance was in third, fourth, maybe fifth place generously. this endorsement without question propelled him to the top of a seasoned field of candidates. when jd vance took the stage behind me a short time ago, he thanked his supporters of course
but he had some special words for that big supporter donald trump. >> i have absolutely got to thank the 45th, the president of the united states, donald j. trump. ladies and gentlemen. [ cheers ] one forgiveness of an example what could be this country. remember 2019 wages were going up and not down? remember 2019 when workers were doing well in this country, not struggling terriblebly thanks to the president for everything for endorsing me. >> reporter: and there is no doubt again that that endorsement was the fuel that really propelled him to victory over his republican rooiivals b he spent time talking to and about those rifvals offering pr praise to each one by name. he needs those republicans to unify the party. this is a hard fight republican
party. pretty nasty, actually. we've been out here for a few days. the ads were intense and rhetoric intense but jd vance appealed to each rival to unite behind him under the united goal to hold this seat in republican hands, of course, it's to replace retiring senator rob portman. >> nice to have jeff zeleny with "tiny dance" in the background. i want to bring in dana bash and abby phillip and david. an odd choice of songs. >> we have an '80s playlist tonight from the vance head quarters. >> he said the 45th, then he says the president of the united states. i don't think that that was a slip. i think that was on purpose. >> probably. because the whole, certainly the
whole end of the vance campaign as he was more aggressively courting the trump endorsement, he became more and more aligned with the trump conspiracy theories about 2020. i mean, there is such a broad spectrum of trump support and it was really clear if you looked at the different candidates in this republican primary in ohio. it was almost a test case and vance certainly as he became again more aggressive in trying to get trump, he became more outspoken on the idea that 2020 was stolen from donald trump. all the things we know are flatly false and the republicans who namely the main republican matt dolan who decided to reject that, he did okay so far but in a splintered field, it was very, very clear that that more traditional message, this is
your senate seat, i want to go there and push for low taxes and smaller government and border security, that wasn't as resident as those issues plus the conspiracies and the fealty to donald trump. >> abby, let's talk about matt dolan, the only gop candidate in the race that said it time for the party to move past trump and the only candidate aside from vance to gain significant ground since march. does that give any hope to other republicans there want to move beyond trump maybe? >> yeah, maybe. i mean, i think it's significant that i mean let's call it a quarter of the republican electret. they're looking for someone else. they're looking for something else. and i think that's notable because you're talking about a party that actually really consolidated support for trump for most of his presidency. i mean, he had very high approval ratings as he liked to talk about among republicans but
maybe between 20 and 25% of the e le electret in a state of ohio that's done with it and all of that and perhaps the drama of it all. the question for republicans and j.d. vance in particular becomes how do you get these people back and convince them it okay to vote for a jd vance that gives a wink and nod at the end there to the conspiracy theory that the election was stolen from trump and that trump is the 45th president? you know, i think that it's -- he's trying to have it both ways and over the next few months, maybe there will be another tranls transformation but something needs to be done to speak to the voters of which there are many of them. this race proves and perhaps other races this month will find out about that, as well. >> may is going to be a packed month of prooi imaries and ther will be many tests. do you think it will ultimately
matter whether or not most of these endorsements result in wins? >> well, i think it matters tonight for donald trump that he ended up with a victory kicking off this month of tests. i think that he will be seen by republican elected officials as somebody who still not only can sort of inspire and create a party in his image but actually still be the king maker and still many the one you got to kind eve kiss the ring for. if you're sitting in pennsylvania having received trump's endorsement, you probably feel better tonight. you see a road map how you utilize that endorsement and get ahead. i think that something that abby was pointing out that is important about that swath of the electret that just is done with it, you know, one thing that may bring them home to republicans is just this larger environment about the economy. maybe because of inflation. it might be because the president's standing is low with
the public that there is enough in this very tough political environment for the democrats, an electret that's clearly tired and not interested in rewarding those in power and paying more for their groceries and gas and the like, all of that may help jd vance consolidate that vote in the fall. >> interesting sitting there. look, it your jobs to pay more attention because you're our political mexperts and jd vance being on my show many, many times and i was like who is this jd vance? i did not recognize this jd vance who is the new jd vance, dana bash. >> yeah, and that's because he was pretty close to if not a flatout never trumper in 2016. and those were statements he made including effectively saying he would potentially vote for hillary clinton over donald trump, that the other
republicans who are trying so hard to get the diehard trump voters played an ad after ad after ad talked about on the stump and when you have the man himself saying that's okay, he said some bad blank about me -- >>ish, bad ish. >> but that's okay, then that gives a green light to the trump voters to say okay, you know, it okay. i'm going to support him. and there are also, it wasn't just trump. it was mainly trump but vance was also trying to be trump like in that he was saying i'm not a regular politician. i'm an outsider. don't trust those guys. even when they think their going to go to washington and do the right thing, their politicians at heart so they don't have it in their dna to do that. those messages from someone like
a j dd vance helped along the lines of getting an endorsement from and getting the votes of trump supporters. >> what is interesting now, he wants to be -- he wants to win this ohio -- he wants to win the race and also selling a book back in 2016 when he would come on. david mentioned the economy and so on. i wonder what this draft or what happens with s skoe scotis draf. what will happen? what effect will it have on these races? >> yeah, i don't think either side frankly can say anything about how it affects turnout. we're talking about a midterm election cycle. i think one thing is clear. what it helps do is sharpen the contrast between the political parties going into this fall. that is actually something that democrats have been trying to
do, trying to make it easier for them to say maybe you're not thrilled with how the economy is going. maybe you're feeling a little pessimistic about the trajectory of things but the alternative is this, they really want to make it a contrast not between, you know, joe biden and ger neric republican but joe biden and a democratic washington and in the words of democrats, an extremist right and i think that this draft really does give more thought for that kind of argument. especially on the left. will it be enough? i think it's just really too soon to know. this is a base election. it going to be about the diehard trade and true democratic voters. those people were already motivated to come out when it relates to abortion. who else might this move? when you look potentially at
suburban women, this issue now, you know, i think a lot of americans support some abortion restrictions but they want abortion to be available. i think many americans did not think necessarily that roe v wade could go away. that's going to be a different scenario and i think that if or when it happens, we will see how the kind of broad middle suburban voters, especially say b suburban women respond to the reality. >> a lot of numbers in the last couple numbers, the doll catching the car with rep republicans with this. the republicans focussing on court confidentiality. they're trying to point that out. it's important. what they're doing, they're doing that instead of celebrating a big victory they have been fighting for for decades. what is behind that? >> that is the thing you want to understand how this will cut. the fact that mitch mcconnell is advising his conference to go
out there and focus on the leak and that somebody is trying to interfere with the integrity of the court to get their way, rather than the substance of the overturning of roe v wade is really, really interesting. some senate candidates, some house candidates, i saw statements they did champion this. rob portman, the retiring senator in ohio said i long advocated for roe v wade overturned and championed the victory come to be. but you are right. we don't know how this will totally play but i think we got a first big clue in mitch mcconnell saying hey to his c conference, you may not want to delve into the substance of the legal victory here. let focus on the process of this leak initially. >> look how lucky i am. the political dream team. dana bash, abby phillip and that guy, daivid, something like tha.
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so ukrainian officials reporting missile attacks across several parts of the country, multiple large explosions heard in the western city of lviv. the mayor says they are dealing with fires, intense smoke and power outages. i want to bring in cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric . what are they trying to accomplish with the strikes in western ukraine, far western lviv? >> basically, in a word it's called resupply. what the russians, don, want to
do is they want to go after all the supply roots that are coming in from the west. if you take a look where lviv is here next to the polish border 40 miles from the border. what the russians did was they attacked points to the east, the south and the west of lviv. so those areas cut roads and railroad lines and power stations associated with those facilities right there. so that makes the difference. so they want to keep the supplies from reaching the east, which is where as you pointed out the main fight is at the moment. >> didn't we have this conversation a couple weeks ago they would start doing that? >> yes, they did. that's what they're doing. the playbook is unfolding, at least parts of it are. >> we're getting a look at drone footage showing ukrainian forces knocking out a number of russian military vehicles near kharkiv.
>> so kharkiv is really critical because it's first of all the number two city in ukraine in terms of population and in terms of importance, plus, there is another thing going on here. if you look here, these are the ukrainian positions, the newest ukrainian positions right in this area here. the ukrainian haves have taken area from russian forces and what the russians were trying to do were possibly trying to come in this way and surround kharkiv so the ukrainians see a chance of eliminating the threat or neutralizing it here. for both sides, kharkiv is very important at the moment the ukrainians have a temporary upper hand and trying to move this part of the russian army out back into russia, which is of course right here. kharkiv is very close to the russian border as you know. >> what do you see as the mission now for ukraine and russia, colonel? >> so, the mission here is kind
of interesting because for the one thing, the russians want to occupy the eastern part of the country. this is what they want to do and maybe not this far east like we thought but what they definitely want to do is take the areas in the donetsk regions here, these are the areas first controlled by the russians and the russian ac separatists in 2014. when you look what they're trying to do here, they want to control the remaining territory, which is this here. that's what the russians want to do. on the other side of this, ukrainians want to protect what they've got and move the russians back. you see the ukrainians like we talked about around kharkiv doing here and also in the southern part of the country trying to move the russians down and out. that's going to be really hard to do but at the very least, they want to protect their territorial integrity.
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