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so they are getting creative with their packages. jessica, thank you so much for stopping by this morning. and thanks for joining me. "new day" starts right now . all right. good morning to our viewers in the united states and around the world, it is wednesday, may 4th. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. important election news overnight, cnn projects that j.d. vance the trump-backed candidate in ohio's hotly contested senate primary will win the nomination. it was the first test of trump's influential in the midterm elections and it does appear that he has delivered.
>> absolutely got to thank the 45th president of the united states donald j. trump. ladies and gentlemen, they wanted to write a story that this campaign would be the death of donald trump's america first agenda. ladies and gentlemen, it ain't the death of the america first agenda. >> a source says the former president called vance to congratulate him, he was said to be relieved by vance's come from behind victory. trump won ohio in 2020 by 8 points. on the democratic side ten-term ohio congressman tim ryan easily won his senate primary and now will face vance in november. we will talk with tim ryan ahead. and the race for governor in ohio, mike dewine secured the nomination in his bid for a second term defeating four challengers, this was seen as something of a test or referendum on dewine's handling of covid. he is face off in november's general election with nan whaley, she beat former
cincinnati mayor john cranley to win the democratic nomination. we have cnn's kristen holmes live for us in cleveland with the very latest. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. it was a big night here in ohio and it was a big night for former president donald trump. there were a lot of eyes on that senate republican race, many viewing it as a litmus test as to just how strong of a hold the former president still has over the republican party and if last night is any indication, at least here in ohio, the former president still yields a lot of power and influence. the midterm election ballots are set in ohio with trump-backed j.d. vance projected to win the ohio senate republican primary. >> thank you all so much. >> reporter: the hotly contested seat being vacated by republican senator rob portman was seen as a crucial contest, a litmus test on the power former president trump's support could have on the fall midterms. >> now, this campaign i really think was a referendum on what kind of a republican party we
want and what kind of a country we want. >> reporter: and trump's support seemed to give vance's campaign a much needed jolt of momentum. >> he is a fearless maga fighter, he fights like crazy and i want to pick somebody that's going to win and this man is going to win. >> reporter: vance thanking trump tuesday night during his victory speech. >> and i have to say a lot of the fake news media out there and there are some good ones in the back there, there are some bad ones, too, let's be honest, but they wanted to write a story that this campaign would be the death of donald trump's america first agenda. ladies and gentlemen, it ain't the death of the america first agenda. >> reporter: trump watched the returns from his home at mar-a-lago with friends and aides, one of them describing him as, quote, relieved. he called vance to congratulate him one source familiar with the call tells vn. vance took on a crowded republican field, though most candidates sought trump's
endorsement state senator matt dolan urged republicans to move on from the 2020 election. he finished third at the polls behind josh mandel. >> we knew the trump endorsement would be a difficult hill to overcome, but honestly i feel like if the race had gone on a little longer with he of would climbed that hill. >> reporter: mike dewine a staunch conservative and occasional trump critic easily won renomination in the republican primary. he will face nan whaley who won the democratic nomination. and congressman tim ryan won the democratic primary easily over his competitors for the key senate seat and will face vance in november. ryan's victory speech calling for healing the country and kindness to one another while still remaining hyper focused on what's at stake. >> let's go, let's make this happen, let's get this seat, let's put workers first.
>> reporter: for vance's part he took a different tone targeting ryan directly in his victory speech. >> ladies and gentlemen, tim ryan needs to go down and we're going to be the party that does it. >> reporter: and obviously they are not that surprising that a trump-endorsed candidate went on the aggressive, the offensive with the tim ryan statement but i do want to mention that i spoke to several allies of the former president who said that they were absolutely thrilled. sources telling cnn that they believe this could actually boost other trump-endorsed candidates like mimet oz for that critical pennsylvania senate seat. this is something we will be watching closely to see if there is, in fact, a ripple effect. >> we certainly will be. kristen holmes live in cleveland, thanks. let's try to get a sense of how much the trump endorsement might have made a difference here. harry enten showed us these numbers yesterday. in early march j.d. vance was at 11% in the polls, 11%.
the trump endorsement came in between there and then by late april j.d. vance was at 23% and then last night around 32%. so the trump endorsement seemed to have certainly moved those numbers substantially. let's bring in john avalon and national political correspondent for "the new york times" lisa lerer. this is something the trump people were watching closely, the endorsement really here seemed to make a difference. >> no question about it. from a distant third in mid march to pole position last night with a third of the vote in a crowded primary where upwards of $66 million were spent, j.d. vance can really thank his nomination for donald trump. there is a clear correlation. >> if you look at the ranking, maybe we can put it up on the screen the overall vote overnight there were a lot of people watching matt dolan to see if the state senator who was not endorsing the big lie if there was an establish avenue he came in third and his numbers were increasing over the last
few weeks, however, and we have those numbers over there if we can shoot them. yeah. if you add j.d. vance and mandel they are over 50% and matt dolan's numbers maybe not as impressive as people were thinking. >> it dove tails with what we've seen in other polling, trump hold 60% of the party still enthralled to the former president, would support him if he were to run again and there is this 40%, 30% or so that is seeking an alternative. so while it's not overtell ming, certainly not a majority, it is a notable number of -- notable share of the party and something certainly a lot of candidates who have their eyes on future races, particularly that 2024 race, will be keeping an eye on. >> for now, though, 60 is more than 40. >> 60 is more than 40. yes, donald trump is still the dominant player in this party and i think what's interesting about this race is this was a contest not only for donald trump, you know, whether they would follow trumpism but what
brnd of trumpism and vance pushed this anti-a leetist, populist, anti-establishment brand that's been championed by peter thiel. >> there is another aspect which is the rehabilitation factor inside trump world because j.d. vance was an anti-trumper back in 2016. >> kind of? >> i mean, he was. >> he called trump possibly america's hitler in a text message to a former roommate. that's about as anti-trump as you get. that's embracing godwin's law there. the fact that he was able to come back from that with the backing of peter thiel and tucker carlson and swaying trump and mar-a-lago to take a chance on him. trump aides were split between these two candidates, trump went in for vance, very accomplished author, venture capitalist and really blew the rest of the field away. >> what does trump get out of that?
what does he get out of the rehab factor? >> i think the former president needs to know that he still has the juice, that his guys can win and his endorsement still matters and this was an early test of that. in fact, sometimes, you know, covering this race it felt like it was really all a competition for one man and that man was donald trump. there was the whole state of ohio but they were all playing to one guy. a lot of the contests for that endorsement was happening behind closed doors, they all hired various people from trump's orbit and they were all going to mar-a-lago and new york and making the case. i think what he gets is his guy won and that makes him look stronger coming into other primaries but the jury is still out and the next couple races coming up will certainly test the possible limits of his power and his sway in the party. >> but politics is perception. the fact that the first big primary showed an ability to pull a candidate from third to first sets a message and a tone and he knows that. the fact that every candidate with the exception of one really lined up to kiss the ring really shows that he is still the king mayor, he is the boss of the
republican party. >> what about the idea that kristen raised in herpes that this may give a boost to other candidates in primaries, oz in pennsylvania, maybe perdue in georgia. >> it's possible. politics is perception. >> it's possible. every race is going -- all politics is local still, even in a party that's nationalistic on two levels at least. but, you know, one thing is perdue has been lagging kemp in georgia big time, i don't think the primary will be enough to change the dynamics in georgia. >> trump may unendorse perdue if it doesn't look the way he wants. thank you so much for being with us. brianna? this morning the ukrainian military is attempting to open four humanitarian corridors to evacuate civilians from mariupol. if it is safe to do so. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says 156 evacuees did arrive in zaporizhzhia which is controlled by ukraine on tuesday, many from those bombed out ruins of the azovstal steel
plant where they have been underground for months. on the battlefield ukrainian forces say russian forces have made little progress despite heavy bombardments. last night ukrainian military took out a number of russian military vehicles southeast of russian occupied izyum and this is some new video that we're getting in also provided by the ukrainian military that appears to show a drone strike on at least two russian military positions on russian-occupied snake island. isa soares is joining us live from lviv with the very latest in western ukraine. what can you tell us? >> reporter: a very good morning to you, brianna. let me start with what we heard from pope francis, in fact, in the last 40 minutes or so. he has slammed the leader of russia's orthodox church for really endorsing putin's reasoning for this war, the reasoning, of course, we have
heard so far calling this a special military operation, saying that it's de-nazifying ukraine. according to an italian newspaper pope francis told the patriarch not to become putin's altar boy, those were his words to the patriarch of russia's orthodox church. also pope francis saying that there's not enough will for peace but he is prepared to travel to moscow to meet with president putin. and on the pope's mind no doubt will be of course the countless victims of this senseless and unwarranted war. i traveled just outside of lviv to meet a family that has really been defined by war as well as years of service to protecting ukraine sovereignty. pain and sorrow as the unbearable weight of war reverberates in this small town outside of lviv. yet another soldier gone too
soon. constantine was 48 years old. a father of two young men. originally from the east of ukraine, he fled here with his family, only to enlist and get drafted. within less than two months constantine's life was taken, his family has been torn apart. the mayor who hasn't missed one funeral tells me it's been too many. since russia annexed crimea in 2014. at first i felt guilty that i'm here not there with them, but i was told that my mission is to be here, to support the families. the ripple effects of russia's war are evident in this town in the west of ukraine. hundreds of miles away from the front lines. just a few graves down from
constantine we have learned from the mayor that this young soldier who died in battle in 2018 that his own mother is currently inside the azovstal steel plant defending mariupol from russian invasion. it's the tale of one family defined by war and it's one we're keen to learn more about. so we drive to the family home where we meet this woman and we are instantly absorbed by her haunting display of grief. she says her grandson yuri was a sergeant with the azov battalion who specialized as a sniper. it's difficult to explain how much i loved him, she says. his death at the mere age of 23 made the front page of the local paper. it was too much for her and his mother to take so in her late 40s natalia ended up enlisting with the same regiment. she tells me she begged her
daughter to leave azovstal but rejected two offers to surrender. she is in that hell, she tells me. we tried to call natalia to no avail. later, though, we managed to reach natalia via text message. morale is high, she writes back, the soldiers will fight to the end. wait for us to come back with victory. not all have come back, though. she tells me her granddaughter's husband died in mariupol, his body moved to the azovstal complex, unable to be brought home. her insurmountable loss just too much to bear. i have this wound for the rest of my life. it's sle difficult to live with, she tells me. of course i'm proud that they died for ukraine. she tells me she finds solace working on her plot of land and
invites us to come and see it for ourselves. in the car, finally a smile. now in her land and even here in the peace of nature she is reminded of what has been robbed from her. these are yuri's trees, she tells me. comfort and company for a woman who bears the weight of grief and the incomprehensible pain of an unwarranted war. and brianna, we know in the last few hours that a convoy of buses has left mariupol, a further evacuation following on from what we saw yesterday, 156 people evacuated. we understand they are not from the azovstal steel plant but from mariupol the city itself of course had 100,000 so people looking to get out. i have been in contact with natalia in the last 48 hours and we have seen those relentless attacks on the azovstal steel plant. my last message to her 24 hours
ago, i have yet to hear from her. so very worrying news indeed. as you heard from her mother there, she has really turned down two times, two really options to come out and put her arms down and has turned that down. incredibly worrying for that mother. >> what a painful and also beautiful story. you don't often see those two things together, but we appreciate you bringing that to us. isa soares in lviv, thank you. another missile launch by north korea, how much of a threat is kim jong-un to the united states? plus, new video of the apparent getaway car for a missing inmate and a corrections officer who the sheriff says had a special relationship. how supreme court justice samuel alito has become one of the most influential and provocative justices on the bench. ing you out. everybody be cool, alright? with ringcentral we can pull bonnie up on phone, message, or video, all in the same app. oh... hey bonnie, i didn't s see you there.
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new in morning, officials in japan and south korea reporting that north korea has fired a ballistic missile into its eastern waters as it comes about a week after kim jong-un vowed to speed up his development of nuclear weapons and threatened to use them against vie valls. cnn's will ripley live in taiwan with the latest on this. will? >> reporter: john, this is north korea's 13th weapons test this year, that's more than 2020 and 2021 combined. we don't know much about this missile yet because north korea hasn't released any images but if you look at the trajectory it flew nearly 300 miles at an altitude of almost 500 miles coming down in the waters off japan. it is similar to other intercontinental ballistic missiles that north korea has launched, in fact, it was launched from the sunan area which is where north korea launched an icbm in march, the first time they've tested a weapon that big in more than four years. now, what president moon and south korea is promising is a
thorough response to this. he has just days left in his admini administration. the new president takes over on may 10th. u.s. and south korea are vowing to strengthen their defense posture, the national security council in south korea strongly condemning this launch, pointing out it is a violation of the security resolutions. this is the first launch since that massive military parade we saw on april 25th. with you mentioned how kim jong-un gave a speech at that parade on the country's military foundation day and in that speech he vowed to grow north korea's nuclear arsenal including this new icbm which north korea claims is capable of carrying multiple warheads, nuclear warheads, delivering them potentially anywhere in the mainland united states or any u.s. territory in the world. north korea is saying that they don't want to use these weapons, they also displayed multiple giant rocket launchers, a submarine launched ballistic missile at that a parade but
saying they are to defend their national dignity and national sovereignty. they say the first mission is to deter war but say if they feel threatened by the united states they will not be afraid to use these weapons for an unspecified second mission. >> seems to be a deliberate demonstration and deliberately timed demonstration. will ripley, thank you so much. new this morning the russian defense minister says any convoy of nato weapons in ukraine will be destroyed, adding that they will consider it a legitimate target. this after russian cruise missiles hit several locations in western and central ukraine. joining us now retired brig dean general steve anderson. important to note because you have from the west, from poland, from other nato countries, sir, that's where she is supplies are coming through. i wonder what you are seeing with this uptick in russian attacks on ukrainian infrastructure. >> good morning, brianna. they are obviously starting to learn a little bit about the importance of logistics, their
own logistics has been dis mass but they're understanding that ukraine has a very effective logistics system. they have 15,000 miles of railroad, they have thousands of miles of roads of course, they have convoys moving all the time. what they're trying to do obviously is interdict those supply lines to prevent the resupply of dnipro that area out in the east that is providing their logistics support. they're hitting these spots. now, lviv is rather significant, three power stations were knocked out, 14 passenger trains were disrupted. i would submit to you it's probably not that significant unless it's opened up. if this turns into a campaign against these logistics bases this could be a significant impact on the war, no doubt that's what they're going to try to do. >> does russia have that capability or is there so much stuff coming in that it's hard to take it all out? >> i don't think they have the capability, brianna.
they really don't. i think they're really running out of cruise missiles, i mean, they were lunching them from submarines over the weekend. i think they're probably running out. they're able to surge aircraft to interdict these logistics lines only on occasion. now the ukrainians have the s-300 air defense system so they're getting more effective. certainly they're trying to take these out, i just don't think they are going to be successful. the americans, the nato allies are now pushing thousands of tons of munitions and military equipment out to the east and of course we're seeing a lot of success. the ukrainians are fighting a very active mobile defense and it's been very effective. the kharkiv area now, we go back to the map, they've been able to push them all the way out. i mean, a couple days ago this was all red, now there's some yellow around it. they've been able to push them out of artillery range and that is absolutely huge. the russians continue to fight, i believe, a failed or flawed strategy. there's an 800-mile front here
and they're trying to attack in multiple places instead of concentrating their forces and using their artillery and superior firepower with tanks to try to overwhelm them, make one axis advance, maybe two, but certainly not seven or eight as we're seeing right now. the ukrainians are doing a great job of using a mobile active defense to fight off any penetration that is occur. >> general, thank you so much for walking us through that. we appreciate it. new this morning, comedian dave chappelle attacked on stage during a set. protests across the united states after the leak indicating the supreme court would overturn roe v. wade. a closer look at the justice who wrote the draft majority opinion next. i need a l lawn...quick. the fast way to bring it up to speed... scotts turf builder rapid grass.
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u.s. cities as protesters rallied against justice samuel alito's first draft decision that would, if it becomes official, overturn abortion rights in the country, overturn roe v. wade. the draft was leaked to "politico's" reporters and obviously caused a lot of concern among some people. joining knee now cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. samuel alito a george w. bush appointee, this draft kind of in line with where he has been politically for some time, but who is he? where has he been on positions? >> you know, let's go back to 2005. sandra day o'connor resigns from the court and what does george w. bush do? he appoints harriet myers, his white house counsel, someone with no judicial experience, a great mystery. who rebels? conservatives rebel and say we don't want a mystery like harriet myers, we want a sure thing. samuel alito who had been the
u.s. attorney in new jersey, a reagan administration justice department official, a judge on the third circuit, he was perceived as a sure thing and he has been a sure thing. he has been a conservative down the line, there is not one opinion you can point to in justice alito's 17 years on the court that he surprised liberals by voting with them. >> you compare him to john roberts the chief justice of the united states, another george w. bush appointee. >> very different trajectory. chief justice roberts is not a liberal, but there are a handful of issues, including abortion, where he has strayed towards the middle, he's tried to keep the court -- he is an institutionalist, someone who wants to keep the court at the center of american life, a little like justice o'connor was. that's very different from justice alito who has been a
stalwart of the right along with clarence thomas during his entire tenure. >> one of the discussions now, these are the 26 states that would institute some kind of abortion ban or restriction, actually this map seems to show more than 26. what are the decisions that states would have to make or courts would have to make once roe, if roe, is stricken? >> penalties. what happens if you -- if you perform an abortion in arkansas, the law says ten years in prison for a doctor who performs abortion. what about penalties for the women who have abortions? in texas there has already been one prosecution since withdrawn of a woman who tried to get an abortion. another issue is what happens if you help someone get an abortion? south dakota has criminal penalties for people who help other people get abortions. what if those people are in states where abortion is legal?
what if someone in new york funds an abortion in south dakota? what if someone in new york where abortion is legal sends the pill for a medical abortion to someone in south dakota? does that person in new york get prosecuted in south dakota? those are the questions that are going to be very relevant if this decision becomes law. >> and a bit unknown at this point. >> many, many, unknowns. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you for that. new video those the moments before an alabama inmate and corrections officer disappeared together. what officials say was the nature of what they're now calling a special relationship. plus -- >> it is my great honor to be speaking tonight at the nation's most distinguished superspreader event. >> it started as a joke but now covid cases really are rising after the white house correspondents dinner. details on the concerns. ubrelvy helps u fight migraine attacks.
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a missing alabama corrections officer who was accused of helping a murder suspect escape from jail last week had a special relationship with him, according to the sheriff. those are his words. a warrant has been issued for vicki white's arrest. the sheriff said he would be surprised if she and the suspect are still in the state. ryan young is in florence, alabama, tracking the latest developments. special relationship, ryan? what's that? >> reporter: yeah, i know, look, we are all parsing words at this point, right? you think of the word special and so at this point they're saying they don't believe it was a physical relationship, but at some point it looks like she was spending more hours with him than she should have and maybe giving him some extra sort of attention.
so at this point everyone is trying to figure out exactly what this means. when we were inside that jail a few days ago we looked at all the video surveillance that was on the inside of that jail, so was she able to get away from those cameras somewhere inside? what we do now have, though, is this video of the last moments before she took casey white away from that jail. we will show you some of this video now. you can see the sally port, you can see them walking out. this is a very casual walk. obviously he's still a very tall guy and he gets in the back of the car and then if we come back out to where i am now, we are in this parking lot for one reason, john, this is the parking lot that police believe the car was stashed when they made their get away. we are three and a half miles away from the jail, it took about eight minutes to get to this location. vicki white apparently bought a car a few days beforehand, parked it in this location and this is where they made that exchange from the police car to the car they are now looking for. so that is something that they were trying to keep close to the vest, someone released some of
this pictures of that car and then the sheriff had to talk about it. if that's not enough twists and turns for you, john, take a listen to a woman who used to date the suspect. >> casey white is very dangerous. he is dangerous to everybody that is around him. if she is still alive, get the hell out. run. run. run as far as you can and turn yourself in and contact somebody. like do the right thing before you lose your life or before somebody else does. >> john, when you listen to that it is obviously clear that woman has no love for casey white. she was the ex-girlfriend he tried to kill and she testified in open court to that. obviously this is a man who has several people out there who are not only afraid of him but believe that he should be behind bars. he was already serving a 75-year
sentence in jail and was going for it with capital murder charges as well. i can tell you overnight there have been some sightings apparently in different states, but still at this point no concrete evidence if they're still in the same car, if they're traveling west, east or south. a lot of people are asking questions about where they could have gone but obviously they had a few day head start. so many questions not only about where they went to but about that special relationship. john? >> and two things can be true at the same time. vicki white could have helped, it's possible me helped him escape but it's also possible even if she did she's in extraordinary danger right now. >> absolutely. >> ryan young, thank you so much for your reporting. so a shortage of infant formula in the united states has parents in a panic. what's behind it and what parents can do. plus after a rash of suicides on a u.s. navy aircraft carrier the parents of one sailor are speaking out and they will join us ahead on "new day."
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slue of supply chain issues there is a national shortage of baby formula. it's left desperate parents scrambling to feed their little ones. let's bring in cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. i remember not too long ago having a small baby and i had enough things to stress about, i can't imagine this being one of them. what can parents do here? >> brianna, these parents we've been talking to are so stressed out. i don't know if your little ones were like this, but sometimes babies get really attached to a particular formula. >> sure. >> and other farm lass make their bellies hurt. when your formula isn't available that is really tough. we spoke to joy green who lives in springfield, ohio, and her
baby was one of those babies who liked a particular formula and she can't find it. let's take a listen to what she's going through. >> it's been scary to like walk down the aisles and see empty shelves and honestly not be able to find the exact formula that we need. we have been trying different off brands, store brands, things like that, and some of them he's tolerating okay and some of them he's not, but really it's just been overwhelming and scary. >> so this is because of a recall of similac products, similac is by far the biggest baby producer in the country and here is what they said they're doing to help alleviate the situation. they said they're increasing production at other manufacturing sites, air shipping formulas from a manufacturing site in ireland and they're releasing some spermty formulas, these are formulas for babies with specific metabolic disorders on
a case-by-case basis. what parents can do right now is similac has on their website a zip code look up tool where you can put in the products you are looking for, your zip code and it will tell you where you can find those products. brianna? >> bless them. what a tricky situation to be dealing with. elizabeth, thank you so much for for that. a psychologist takes the stand in johnny depp's defamation case against his former wife amber heard. why he claims -- why she claims heard has ptsd. and new this morning comedian dave chappelle attacked on stage during a set. new details coming in ahead. pssst julius! you should really check in with your team on ringcentral. oh hi caesar. we were just talking about you. yeah, you should probably get out of here. ♪ ringcentral ♪
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wrongfully detained in russia. carolyn manno is here with the "bleacher report." >> her friends and family had been keeping a low profile but that's likely to change now. 76 days is how long brittney griner has been detained. the change to wrongful detention is noted as a shift. griner being accused of smuggling cannabis oil into the country, she is scheduled for a court hearing on may 19th but the wrongful detention designation means the government will not have to wait for her case to move through russia's system in order to negotiate that release. the recent release of trevor reed marks a successful negotiation between moscow and washington despite the invasion in ukraine. the wnba will honor griner along the sidelines of all 12 courts when the season opens on friday. the league says it continues to do everything it can to bring the phoenix mercury star back
home. in the nba playoffs a physical start to game two between the warriors and grizzlies. dylan ford ejected for hitting dylan peyton. peyton went down hard after contact, take away with a fractured left elbow. with one of the warriors best defenders side lined jha moran went off. game three is saturday in servais. more ran the third player to have multiple 35-point games in the post season before the age of 23, the other two just lebron, just kobe. >> that is some company there. thank you very much. amber heard could take the stand as soon as today in johnny depp's $50 million defamation trial against her. heard's legal team began their defense with testimony from a clinical psychologist dawn hughes who stated that heard had posttraumatic stress disorder after her marriage to depp.
>> we still saw the obsessive jealousy and the coercive control and the possess ichbs, that still persisted, but when the alcohol and the drugs came together is when amber heard was more in danger of being hurt by him. >> joining us now to discuss is criminal defense attorney sara azari. this was a pretty interesting day, every day has been interesting in this trial but we heard from the psychologist who was appearing for the defense, right? this is the first defense witness for amber heard's side. it's so different from what we heard from the psychologist who appeared for johnny depp's side. how does a jury square that? >> right, brianna, so we have a battle of experts, right, which is typical in a domestic violence case. you have dr. curry who said there was no ptsd and there was a personality disorder and then now we have dr. hughes who says there was absolutely ptsd related to abuse and there is no personality disorder, but this ultimately turns on credibility. the jury has to look at these
two experts and decide who has the better science, who makes more sense, who is, you know, credible in the totality of the evidence that they've heard? and, you know, i have to say that dr. hughes was effective in two ways, she also lost credibility. she was effective in that she defined domestic violence as far broader than just physical violence, that it could be sexual, that it could be psychological, emotional or even include surveillance. she was also effective in that she described why a victim of domestic violence doesn't leave the relationship because we've heard illusions in depp's case to the fact that heard was motivated by money and fame and that's why she stayed. she was effective in those ways but she also lost credibility when she started to say -- and she testified that amber heard's acts of violence were mild. i mean, she defecated in the bed, she spit on the guy, she struck him, she threw objects at him and potentially severed his finger. how is that mild?
she lost credibility. she also lost credibility when she said she was working in self-defense when we heard from witnesses say she was always the aggressor and it was not triggered. >> amber heard is going to take the stand today. what are you expecting? >> well, i expect -- it's going to take several days for her to testify and of course there is a cross-examination. her testimony is key. i mean, the team has been strategic in putting up this doctor first based on the theer yory of putting your strongest witness up first and laying the foundation for heard. her testimony is key. she assay lot of explaining to do. she has to explain why she stayed in the relationship, why she was dating, you know, rich and famous men was that really her motive, why she wrote this op-ed two years after she initially came out with these allegations and then the divorce. of course, you know, the actual malice part which depp hasn't really proven. is it something that's going do come out in her cross-examination or is that going to be a failing piece of
this case? >> two trials going on here, one legal and one very much in the court of public opinion. sara, thanks as always for being with us. >> of course. "new day" continues right n now. all right. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world, it is wednesday, may 4th, may the 4th be with you. overnight a major test of donald trump's political power and this time it was a test that he passed, a big victory for trump-backed candidate j.d. vance in ohio. cnn is projecting that vans will win the senate primary in the race to replace retiring ohio senator rob portman. it's possible that j.d. vance does not win this primary without the trump endorsement from the former president was
one of the very first people he thanked. >> i have absolutely got to thank the 45th president of the united states donald j. trump. ladies and gentlemen, they wanted to write a story that this campaign would be the death of donald trump's america first agenda. ladies and gentlemen, it ain't the death of the america first agenda. >> on the democratic side ten-term ohio congressman tim ryan easily won his senate primary, he will now face off against vance in november. i should note tim ryan will join "new day" in just a few minutes. in the race for governor in ohio the incumbent governor republican mike dewine secured the nomination in a bit for a second term, this was seen as a referendum on dewine's handling of covid. he depended off four challengers. he will face off in november's general election with nan whaley the former mayor of dayton, she beat former since nael mayor
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