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there is hell in this world, it is in azovstal. the russians have repeatedly fired on humanitarian corridors. elsewhere, ukraine says that russian troops have had no success breaking through the front lines in the luhansk and donetsk regions. despite all of this, russia continues its relentless attacks on ukraine's infrastructure, blowing up a bridge in dnipro. let's begin our coverage this hour with cnn's scott mclean who is live in lviv. scott, what is the latest at this hour, in terms of the fighting at the steel plant in mariupol. >> reporter: hey, erica, yeah. things are not looking good for the civilians that are trapped inside there. we know that there could be potentially hundreds of them, including 30 children. we know that yid russians have offered somewhat of an olive branch saying that today, yesterday, and saturday they would allow civilians to escape through the plant through humanitarian corridors. and they could go in any
direction they wanted. either toward russia, as some people have chosen, or more likely, back towards ukrainian territory, as well. but we have just heard from a deputy commander of the azov reg regiment, that is the part of the ukrainian military that is leading the fighting from that plant, who says that the russians have not kept their end of the bargain when it comes to that cease-fire that they had promised and there are no science at this point that any civilians have been able to make it out of the plant. that deputy commander says that the heavy -- the fighting has been incredibly heavy in that area and that russian troops have tried to storm for a third straight day, tried to storm the plant on the ground, something that russia vehemently denies. now, erika, if you look at any tv channel in this country, you will see a qr code on the screen. that is soliciting donations for the ukrainian military and the ukrainian war effort more broadly. now president zelenskyy, though, in an effort to get more funds is appealing to the broader international community, saying
that this is not just ukraine's fight, but a fight for freedom and democracy. he's launched a brand-new fund-raising platform called united 24. here's his pitch. >> these fund-raising plants from either part of global united 24 that has been launched to support ukraine. here, in one click, you can donate funds to protect our defenders, to save our civilians, and to rebuild ukraine. >> now, i am certain that there are going to be skeptics, who will look at ukraine's not-so-great record when it comes to corruption. it has been endemic in the country, really hampering economic growth here. zelenskyy, though, was elected in part on a platform to try to clean up that corruption and he is promising that that platform will give donors transparency as to where exactly their money is going, erika. >> it's certainly an interesting approach. scott mclean, appreciate it. thank you. well, the white house is
disputing a report in "the new york times" which claims u.s. intelligence is helping ukraine kill at least a dozen russian generals. cnn's barbara starr is live at the pentagon for us. barbara, what more do we know about the type of intel that's being shared with ukraine and how it's being used? >> well, the administration is very clear in saying that it is not providing specific intelligence to kill specific russian generals. and in a statement, i want to read to everybody, and we do not provide intelligence with the intent to kill russian generals. now, what we do know is that the pentagon has really opened the aperture to increase intelligence available to the ukr ukrainians and i think another important point is to listen to what the joint chief's chairman had to say about this earlier this week. >> we have opened up the pipes, which i'm not going to get into detail here in an open hearing,
but there's a significant amount of intelligence flowing to ukraine from the united states. all of that in combination and many, many more are some of the early lessons learned that have made the difference, is what you've seen. >> so what we know is, for example, satellite imagery. we've all seen, for weeks now, a great amount of commercial satellite imagery. that is available. military satellite imagery, intercepts of communications are widely understood to be something that the u.s. looks at and if appropriate, provides that intelligence information to the ukrainians. but adamant not to kill specific russian generals. erika? >> barbara starr, appreciate it. thank you. joining me now to discuss, cnn military analyst, retired air force colonel, cedric layton, and cnn global affairs analyst, kimberly dozier. good to see both of you this morning. kim, when we hear, and barbara laid out for us there. the white house sppushing back the specific claim that they are
targeting u.s. generals, is that more in terms of further escalate tensions between russia and putin. >> absolutely. the biden administration doesn't want to make this anymore personal when vladimir putin is already or portraying it, as hes for years, as all of this being part of u.s. efforts to unseat him. however, there is some significant intelligence sharing that's happened since the opening days of the war, and it's only increased, as barbara's reporting indicates, i've also spoken to a senior u.s. official who explained that they've gotten the kind of information to the ukrainians that's either helped point the ukrainians towards something that they hadn't noticed yet, or has helped ukrainians map their own intelligence and made their battlefield attacks that much more precise. and this official said that they've gotten that information very quickly on a consistent basis, all the way to the very front lines. so could it be used to take out
a russian general, if u.s. intelligence helped. it where a russian headquarters had moved on the battlefield? sure. but that's not specifically saying that this commander is here or there, go get him. >> right. so it's not -- it's not quite, colonel, quite as pointed, as kim just pointed out, as saying this person is here, go get them. but the u.s. is not exactly shig away from him. we just heard from general milley saying, the pipes are open. we know it's happening. give us a sense, based on your experience, what is this like behind the scenes? and how is this different from perhaps intel sharing that's happened in the past? >> yeah, that's a great question, erika. the basic way in which we've done this has actually gone back in as far as the '90s, the early '90s, when we went after the drug lords, like pablo escobar, u.s. intel was used to help the columbians find him and of course, they killed him in a
very infamous battle in columbia. so when we did that. that then set the stage for the work that we ended up doing in afghanistan and iraq. and it was developed as part of a program to go after high-value targets, or hvts. but, you know, as kimberly properly mentions, this is something that is not -- you know, when we shared this intelligence with other countries, a lot of those details are often left out. and while we have the capability to go after individuals in this particular case. the administration clearly wants to make sure that people understand that we're not doing it, we're giving them military targets, we're giving them to understand that there's a command post at a certain location, perhaps, or that it's moved from location "a" to location "b." those are the kind of things that should be shared with the ukrainians, and that's how this moves forward. and the fact that it's in realtime allows the ukrainians
to rapidly ramp up their targeting process and then, of course, orders to fire on those particular targets. >> i want to stick with you for a moment, if i could, if we look at what's happening in mariupol, which scott laid out for us just a few minutes ago. i know you said it looks like we could be seeing the end of this battle with russia being victorious. if russia takes mariupol, where do they go next? >> so, erica, this might be a pyrrhic victory for the russians. they're looking at taking mariupol and creating that land bridge that we've talked about between crime califora and the and into russia. that will all probably happen. but to the valiant defense of mariupol by the ukrainians will serve as a rallying cry both diplomatically and militarily for the ukrainians. and that's one of those intangibles that's going to be very hard for the russians to combat on the battle field. and once they're done, the
russians will want to pivot. they'll want to move their forces from mariupol to the north, towards the donbas area, and specifically to the ukrainian army elements that are facing them in that part of the donbas. so, what they could be doing is they could move those forces from the south into the center part of the country, to join with forces that they have coming from the north and the northeast. so that would be the goal on paper, whether or not they can actually do that. of course, is another question. >> so much of what we will learn about what happened won't be learned immediately, right? especially when we look at bucha as an example. we didn't know the extent of what had happened there until russian forces had left and we learned about the atrocities there. there is certainly much to be learned about the horrors that have happened in mariupol over the last several weeks. kim, when do you think we'll actually know the extent of that? the fact is that that territory is in russian control largely.
the mariupol plant operation is just, for them, it's a mopping up operation, it's a continuing embarrassment that the messages keep coming out of there. it's a reminder that thecht been able to take that last patch of territory. but, in a real politic way, it is also an opportunity lost for lpt vladimir putin. had he honored those requests to allow a true humanitarian corridor organized by the international red cross and others to get those civilians out and even allowed the wounded with some of the fighters to leave, it would have been a possible pr victory for him and a way to push back and say, yes, we are behaving in a humane way on this battlefield, contrary to all the accusations that the u.s. and the ukrainians have been leveling at us. but they didn't take that path. they took the path of total destruction. and we will hear fl people inside, but who knows when we'll
know what actually happened in a way that other people outside of ukraine would believe it. people that might not necessarily believe the u.s. or the ukraine narrative. >> that's the documentation we've been hearing so much about from the prosecutors working on these war crimes cases will be key. thank you both. appreciate your insight. coming up here, mnew york facing a new surge in covid cases and hospitalizations, prompts officials to raise the risk level. the city's health commissioner joins me next. (grandmother) make it three. (young w woman) three? (grandmother) did you get his number? (young woman) no, granandma! grandma!! (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time. that's why i got a crosstrek. (avo) ninety-six percent of subaru vehicles sold in the last ten years are still on the road. (grandmother) i'm so glad you got a subaru. (young woman) i wonder who gave me the idea? (avo) love. it's what makes subaru, subaru.
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the troubling increase is leaving new york city to raise its covid risk level this weak. joining me now is new york city health commissioner, dr. ashman vasan. so when we look at where we're at now, in addition to raising the alert level here in the city, i know you're also recommending that people start masking indoors again. do you envision bringing back an indoor mask mandate in new york city? >> right now is the time, as we've moved into medium risk, where we're really encouraging new yorkers to take more additional steps and use the myriad of tools that we have to manage their own risks, and also to manage the risk of those around them, because the chases we make, as ever with this pandemic, the choices we make are not just about us. they're about protecting others that you may not even know and those who are in the same spaces with you. that includes vaccines and booster. frequent testing. we're here today because we got rapid testing before the show. treatment, which is why the assessment that we have seen in
prior ways, and of course masks. we're also looking at our policies and seeing when we may want to bring back citywide policies, but now is not that time. >> so you don't -- >> just to nail you down on that one, you don't see a mask mandate coming back, but it could -- >> at this moment -- >> at this moment it wouldn't. >> at this moment we're not considering that, but if the data moves in directions that are not encouraging, then we'll -- all of those options are on the table. >> you stress vaccines, boosters, right? if you're eligible still for either. you recommend going to get those. do you think new york city got rid of its vaccine requirement too soon? >> i think this has always been a balancing act. and as dr. fauci said, we're in this transitional phase between epidemic, pandemic, emergency response and endimicity, which is living with it in seasonal matter. and it's crucial for us to get back to life, and as someone who
cares about mental health, social connection and reconnecting with our loved ones is so critical. and so, you know, i think those are hard decisions to make. and to the extent that those opened up, those decisions helped us open up the economy faster, i think they were good decisions. i think if data shows us that things are moving in a different direction, we'll reconsider those decisions. >> how hard do you think it will be to go back? >> i think this whole two years have gone back. there's a lot of groundhog day for all of us, myself included. and i think as the mayor says, this virus is a formidable opponent. and constantly throws us curveballs. so we have to, as a policy position, be ready to pivot and shift. >> you mention the importance of testing, and new york city has said testing will remain free, vaccines will remain free. but without that money coming from the federal government, how do you do that? where does that money come from? >> we are blessed that we have been able to mount one of the strongest testing and
vaccination campaigns and now treatment programs in the country. and it's truly a testament to a collective effort, led by public health, our public health care system and all of the different health actors in the city. but the federal government has been such an essential partner in that to date. and, you know, we are concerned. we're definitely concerned about particularly as i talked about, what this virus might throw at us in the future. if we are saying that we are no longer going to pay for this out of washington and that congress is questioning whether they should be supporting municipalities, we are at risk of putting our covid response and sort of hindering our covid response, but also baking in some of those inequities that we've seen throughout the pandemic. >> so, then, is the reality that given the funding issue, new york city may not be able to. i think at this point, we are in a good shape with our public health care system. we have a robust safety net
health care system for underinsured or uninsured people. and we've got a great public health agency and assets. but again, we don't know what this virus is going to throw at us. and we have been really thankful and reliant on those federal assets and we would like to see them continue. >> i do want to get you, before we let you go. earlier this week you said in a statement, new york city would continue to be a safe haven for those who need abortion and reproductive health services. this is similar to what we heard from governor hochul in a statement, as well. when you say a safe haven, what does that actually mean? does that mean that medical services, reproductive services, including potentially abortions will be available, will they be free of charge, does this mean you're taking care of transportation, accommodations? what does a safe haven mean in new york city? >> i think first and foremost, reproductive rights, women's rights, the rights of pregnant people to make decisions about their health care and their bodies is foundational to public health and we believe that here in new york city and in new york
state and everyone is welcome here to receive that care. the steps we need to take to ensure that are ones that we're thinking through right now, in terms of access to care, quality of care, subsidizing care. these are all questions that we're not wrestling with in the aftermath of this disturbing announcement. >> so those answers to come, still trying to figure that out? >> this just broke. so we're prepared. everyone is welcome in new york. >> okay. good to have you with us today. >> thank you. appreciate it. still to come here, the white house pushing back on a new report that the u.s. intelligence is helping ukraine to kill russian generals. how intelligence chairman adam schiff joins me next. lemons. lemons. look how nice they are. the moment you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels.. so you can g go and see all those, lovely, lemony, lemons. and never wonder if you got a good deal.
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>> erika, this clearly is some significant turbulence on wall street. as you mentioned, u.s. stocks down very sharply, basically at session lows, as we speak. but we've got to keep in mind, this comes after a really big rally, just yesterday, the dow closed up more than 900 points, 2.8%. the s&p 500 was up about 3%. it was the market's best day in just about two years. and the fact that markets are back down, i think, really just underscores the enormous uncertainty facing the u.s. and the world economy right now. we're dealing with a period of very high inflation. the jobs market is really strong, but it's arguably overheating. and so the federal reserve is coming in, they're acting like the firefighters. they're trying to put out this inflation fire by slowing the economy down. they're raising interest rates. and so investors initially were very happy yesterday, because the chairman of the fed, jerome powell, he signaled that the fed is probably not going to do even bigger rate increases.
he sort of downplayed the possibility of a three quarters of a point rate hike. markets were happy about that. and i think some of the reality is setting in here. the fed is still going to be raising interest rates. and there's no guarantee, erika, that the fed is going to be able to get inflation under control without causing a recession in the united states. so there's just a lot of uncertainty right now. >> that's the big fear, right? what type of -- you know, if and when that recession is triggered and what it looks like, skand jt really quickly, matt, we're watching all of this while waiting for a new jobs report tomorrow. >> so the jobs market continues to be a really, really big bright spot for the economy, and we are expecting that the unemployment rate is going to tick down even further. we could see a new covid low for unemployment. another steady increase in hiring. i think the question, though, is, what happens when the fed continues to raise interest rates, how much is that going to slow down the jobs market, and how long does it take until
inflation gets down to healthier levels. so that's what everybody is wondering about right now, erika. >> as you point out, all of that uncertainty. matt egan, appreciate it. the man who attacked dave chappelle is expected to appear in a los angeles courtroom as the comedian is speaking out about what happened. we've got t details in a live report next. ♪ you had me at allison® 10-speed transmission. ♪ features available on gmc sierra heavy duty. premium and capable. that's professional grade from gmc. (heartbeats) introducing icy hot pro. with 2 max-strength pain relievers. ice works fast... to freeze your pai and your doubt.
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yesterday, we talked to one of our reporters, cnn correspondent rachael carane who was there in the audience. she had takeup food that she brought in and was stapled up and didn't even get opened up when she went through the metal detector. it shows you something is wrong with security especially when you see this weapon that this assailant had on him, allegedly. police showing pictures of this knife that folded up into a replica gun. and when you see this, you would think, if someone was going through -- because they do go through your bags when you show up at the hollywood ball, that they would see a gun and then say, let's stop and apprehend this person here. but it turned out to be a knife. so all of these things are concerns that they are working through. i should also note, erica, for people who have not been to the hollywood bowl, you are allowed to bring in your own bottles of wine, your own snacks, your cheeses, all the things you may want while you enjoy a show at the hollywood bowl. that has some concern that that might change, because that is one of the things that people have enjoyed for a very long
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new this morning, the white house is disputing a "new york times" report that ukraine is using u.s. intelligence to target russian generals. ukraine claims to have killed roughly a dozen russian military generals. the white house says the report is misleading and that the u.s. does quote not provide intelligence with the intent to kill russian generals. joining me now, house intelligence charirman, adam schiff. good to have you with us this morning. when it comes to this "new york times" report, the pushback that we're seeing from the white house, is this simply about
semantics, when it comes to this intel and how it's being used? >> i think what it's about is an effort by the administration not to do or say things that will escalate the conflict. we are providing realtime intelligence to ukraine to help it defend itself. i don't think the administration wants to go into specifics about just what kind of what circumstances, but we want to make sure that ukraine is successful. they've been invaded by their neighbor, they're the victim of war crimes by russian forces, and there's a lot on the line for ukrainians, most of all, but also for freedom-loving people around the world. we want to do everything we can short of getting into a shooting war ourselves with russia, so i think that there are efforts by the administration to do exactly that and observe exactly that line. >> as we heard from general milley, the pipes are open at this point. would this in any way change the intelligence that is being given
to ukraine. >> well, the nature of the fight in ukraine is changing. the russian forces previously were widely dispersed. they could be picked off by ukrainians and ambushed, as many of them were. now the russians are concentrating their forces in the east. a lot of the fighting is at long range, using long-range artillery. so it is changing the nature of what we provide in terms of weapons. we're giving them long-range weapons like how itzers. and we want to make sure that we provide them with the intelligence that they need, both to defend themselves against russian artillery attacks, but also to make their own attacks on russian forces more successful. so as the war changes, the nature of our support changes, but through it all, we want to do everything possible to help ukraine succeed. >> in terms of those needs, you of course met with president zelenskyy in kyiv and said that he brought up needs you had not
heard before. what are those needs? >> well, i can't go into the alt of specifics, but some of them do relate to the changing nature of that war, that war. some of them, it didn't surprise us that he was interested in. but nonetheless, as the nature of the conflict has changed, as the nature of the humanitarian disaster has changed, the needs continue to evolve. and a big part of our purpose in being there was to hear from him directly, what we can do to best assist. so there were new items that came out of the discussion, but not ones that i can discuss with you today. >> so you can't discuss the specifics, but are those needs that you feel that the u.s. can meet? >> yes. absolutely. and, you know, this is certainly part of ukraine's public list of asks, but given that this fight has moved to a long-distance kind of a fight, i think
multiple rocket launch systems would be very important. you know, i think in the early days of the war, there was a concern that we couldn't provide ukrainians with anything that it would take time to train them on. but as the war has dragged on, it means that we have more time to train ukrainians on more sophisticated systems and i think we should provide them. similarly, reopening the part of odesa is important to ukrainians, but it's important to people starving all over the world, because ukraine is such an important bread basket for the world. so helping them with the munitions that they need to sink the black sea fleet, which they've shown very capable of doing, but could be more capable of doing if we provide them with the right tools. >> i want to move on, because there are a couple of other topics that we immediate to hit. you, of course, serve on the house committee, which is investigating january 6th. donald trump jr. met with y'all yesterday. i know you're not going to give me specifics on what was discussed. we've both been doing this long enough to know that, but
according to our own cnn reporting, he was there for a little over three hours, answered all questions, did not take the fifth, was cordial. he's now the third family member, right, to meet with the committee. how would you describe his level of cooperation and even his willingness to speak with the committee? >> you know, i'm afraid i can't do that. we don't really confirm who appears before the committee. we are getting a great number of witnesses, many of whom surprised me with their willingness to come in. so i think the body of information we are accumulating continues to grow and grow. but we're really not commenting or confirming. it's really up to witnesses whether they want to discuss any testimony or cooperation with the committee. >> as we look at where things stand, there is now more audio of republican leader kevin mccarthy. of course, this comes from january 8th, talking to some soptop aides. i want to play that quickly. >> what the president did was atrocious and totally wrong.
i do think the impeachment divides the nation further and continues to divide things greater. that's why i want to reach out to biden. i wanted the president to meet with biden. but that's not going to happen. i want to see about us meeting with biden, sitting down, make ate smooth transition to show that and continue to keep those statements going. so hopefully, i know he's got to talk to pelosi then he's going to hopefully he calls me today. >> we've heard consistent comments from behind closed doors from kevin mccarthy. the reality is that today in 2022, he supports donald trump. trump has said this is basically water under the bridge, all is good. what does this audio coming out now change? does this have any impact on the january 6th committee's investigation? >> it certainly has an impact on our investigation. it helps to flesh out what kevin mccarthy was doing and what he was saying, because he has lied so often since then about what
he was doing in those days and hours. and tragically, i think it underscores for the whole country that if you are willing to tell the truth, there's no place in republican leadership for you. kevin mccarthy retains his position, because he's willing to lie for donald trump. and deny all of those conversations that you just played. some of which you just played. but others who are committed to tell the truth, like liz cheney, they're forced out of republican leadership. to me, that's the real scandal. not mcyater's lies or his lies about his lies, but rather, that there's no place for the truth at the top of republican leadership. >> real quickly before i let you go, the white house -- kaitlyn collins asked about that yesterday. she didn't have specifics but the possibility of this being overturned shouldn't come as a surprise at this point. especially with the ruling in the mississippi case being imminent. is the white house prepared for this moment?
>> i don't know whether any of us were really prepared for this. it's certainly been a specter hunting the country for decades. during this era we're shocked on the one hand and not surprised on the other. we're going to have to take up and try to pass legislation in congress to make roe the law of the land. i have to hope that maybe some of the senators who accepted at face value though they shouldn't the false representations of these judicial nominees that they would uphold precedent and respected precedent, particularly in this area, when that was proven to be so demonstrably false, that they'll support a statute to protect roe and not allow the filibuster to stand in the way, but time will tell. and i think that we should go beyond, frankly, in my view, and expand the size of the court, given the way mcconnell has
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put pay trichl over politics. that's what americans -- paul whalen spent the last four birthdays in a russian prison. his sister joins me now. it's good to have you with us. i want to get into where things stand, but i'd like to know how your brother is doing. what was the last time you were able to speak with him? >> well, my parents have an opportunity to speak with him relatively frequently. that is not how it was in the first year and a half he was being held in russia. they can have about 15-minute long phone calls listened to by the guards. but unfortunately, there was a conversation on the day that trevor came back and found out he had already discovered about trevor's release on the russian television and the news had been give ton him by other inmates.
the first words out of his mouth were, why was i left behind? and so we have all been grappling with that particular question in the days since. >> well, since then as i understand it, secretary blinken said his release remains a priority, but didn't give you any specifics. why do you think that is? >> well, we were really pleased that the secretary made the outreach he called me over the weekend to talk. these cases are extremely complicated. and families don't really expect to know all the details of what's going on behind the scenes of who is being spoken to, even what's on the table, but what we asking, not just for me for my brother, but all the other families with wrongful detainees and hostages held in 18 countries around the world, there are at least 55 of us, asking for all the tools on the table to be used to bring our
loved ones home. >> as you point out, it's not just in russia, but given what we saw, the fact that trevor reed was released when tensions with russia feel like they're at an all-time high with war raging with ukraine, does that give you hope? >> oh, absolutely. it does. we were so pleased to see trevor home. i wished i could have been more celebratory on that wednesday when we had to find out that paul was not coming home. but i have to tell you, i can't explain just what it meant after all this time to see that there was a possibility of squun coming out of russia. and so, of course, now we're asking the administration to seize the moment. obviously the sky didn't fall in. a trade was affected, whether that's the same way paul comes home or not, we're not sure. we're just asking as i said, all the tools to be used, and in particular, i think before the
next bright shiny object comes along, because this is a complicated world we're living in. there are lots of issues. but wrongful detention is a national security issue. when we're having americans taken off the street, used as pawns against the u.s. government, that's something that we have to deal with. >> we only have about thirty-seconds left. as part of the demonstration in washington, another family member of a detained american said it's time to put patriotism over politics. do you see that shifting? >> oh, yes. and really, from the start there's been bipartisan support. you know, from the beginning paul has had three congressional resolutions passed on his behalf, and they have been almost exactly equal, democrats and republicans. everybody wants to -- the u.s. citizens, americans come home. they want the situation dealt with. there is an -- bring home
wrongful detainees. >> we appreciate your time today. >> thank you so much. thank you to all of you for joining us this hour. stay tuned. "inside politics" starts right now. hello. welcome to "inside politics". i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing you day with us. the enemy is inside the gates after weeks of heavy, bloody battles, russian forces have breached mariupol's final stronghold. this is the breakneck pace of the artillery strikes. each hit of the steel plant bringing it closer and closer to russian capture. dust and ash here, a drone
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