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cisco safe. recall chesa boudin now. good morning. on on this friday, i'm erica hill. >> the evacuation of the azovstal steel plant is being evacuated. some have been rescued. thousands still there but ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says relentless
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shelling by russia is making the task dangerous. he warns attacks are not stoppin stopping. this is something we've seen, russia will claim they will allow humanitarian corridors but the shelling doesn't stop. russian ground attacks do appear to have eased temporarily in the oeast and the south. the ukrainian military -- give us a sense, when we talk about this potential evacuation effort for the civilians there at the azovstal plant, what is that next stage? >> reporter: obviously a cease-fire has to be in effect if they have even half a chance of getting out of the rubble and
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destruction that azovstal has become. since we saw the first hundred emerge, it must have been phenomenally difficult to get anybody else out over the past couple of days. i think it is a cumulative numbers of civilians from across mariupol. there are two possibilities the u.n. are trying to engage in, getting people out of azovstal, the hundreds trapped in there who it was said were reliably blocked and were part of a humanitarian corridor that should have opened in the past days but according to the the ukrainian president, it's been incredibly tough because the shelling hasn't stopped. given the sheer volume of people clogging gathering points and
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villages and roads getting out, the fact that only 500 have emerged suggests things are exceptionally difficult. it's utterly vital to get people out of azovstal for ukraine and probably you might think for russia to close this chapter of their fight for mariupol but it's obviously clear decency doesn't extend that far to moscow and they are continuing to bombard and besiege. >> nick paton walsh, thank you. sources are telling cnn the u.s. provided information about the warship as location. >> i am not going to get into the specifics about the
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intelligence that we provide, brianna. we talked about this russian story as well. we are not providing specific targeted information to help ukrainians go after senior military leaders on the battlefield. we give them information and other partners give them information and, by the way, they have terrific intelligence of their own. they corroborate that and make the decisions they make and go after it. they pull all these things together and make their own decisions and take their own actions. let's not forget they're under an invasion right now. they have been invaded by russia. russia is the aggressor. when we talk about these operations and i frankly don't wish that we would but when we do, let's remember who the aggressor is here and that is russia. senator wicker is the ranking
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sen senator. you have been sounding the alarm on ukraine for some time. there's $33 billion that president biden has proposed. you have democrats considering tying this to covid relief. if that were to happen, you have some republicans who would want some sort of line in there about title 42. given the urgency, should this bill come to the floor clean and independent of any other provisions? >> it should come to the floor clean without any unrelated issues. what you just described, adding border-type issues, adding covid-type issues is a good way to slow it down. and on a bipartisan basis we need to get this $33 billion. we need to vet it and make sure it's all good spending and good aid for our friends in ukraine
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but we need to do it quickly. i'd like to see it done next week. the way to do that is to leave unrelated issues for another day. >> there's a dynamic for this war that's changed in terms of the rhetoric on both sides. you have defense secretary lloyd auston talking not just about defending ukraine but weakening russia so it can't attack other countries and now russia in a proxy war between nato and the u.s. are you concerned about the danger of this war escalating beyond ukraine is growing? >> we're always mindful that a war could escalate. the reason that it's taking place at all, of course, is the war crimes by vladimir putin and the completely unprovoked invasion of neighboring
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countries. so, yes, there's a risk. we need to be careful about that. i would say probably the secretary of defense chose his words carefully. and, franksly, to the extent tht russia is less able to continue invading neighbors as they've done in georgia, as they've done in other places in eastern europe, that's a good thing if russian isn't strong enough to invade neighbors anymore. >> you have written extensively about china and taiwan and how that relates to what we've seen with russia and ukraine and encouraging arming taiwan now, in effect not waiting to flood with weapons until later. i wonder, the u.s. has said explicitly that it will not get into conflict with russian forces. is that a mistake when it comes to china and taiwan?
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given china's aspirations and threats, would the u.s. state it would not invade taiwan or state the opposite? >> our policy in republic and democratic administration has been one of ambiguity. we're staying with that. i think that's probably going to be our policy for a while. now, there's no secret in beijing that the united states wants taiwan to be defended and we're making no secret of that. the point that senator graham and i were making earlier this week in our op-ed journal, in a country like china, sanctions aren't going to work very well but with just one more percent of gross domestic product in taiwan, we can sell them the weapons to basically discourage the invasion. they're way away from us and
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hard to resupply. what we ought to be doing immediately is helping china get ready for an attack, an invasion we hope will never happen because china is strong enough to defend it. >> and another topic, and that is inflation. you've been critical of inflation rates and you blame the biden administration for that. if republicans win control of the house, perhaps the senate in the fall, what practical changes, practical policies will republicans implement to bring down inflation? >> it would really help to have a president who wasn't at war with american oil and gas. here's what happened. the first month of the biden administration this country was poised to come out of the pandemic. the economy was ready to roar and what did biden and the democrats do? they poured $1.9 trillion on to
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an raialready heated economy an everyone, democrat and republican that had watched history could predict this was going to give us this huge inflation. we have wage growth at 5.5% but inflation at 8.5%, it's a 3% reduction for every working american. so the one thing we would do is try to open up oil and gas exploration and development here in the united states, where we're blessed beyond measure by leading the world there and also quit pouring new money on an already overheated economy. >> but to be fair, senator -- the spending did not begin on january 21st, 2021. as you know, the national debt grew by almost $ 8 trillion
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during trump's time in office. is this a multi-administration problem here? in other words, did the previous administration pour too much money? ? >> we passed unanimously, republican and democrat with one or two descenting votes. the covid relief package needed in the year 2020 when the economy was falling like a rock. i don't think anybody apologizes for that. then at the end of the year we had the vaccines, we were coming out of it and we were learning to reopen the economy. the spending that occurred in january and february of 2021 was entirely different. so absolutely, we all were involved in rescuing the economy from falling off a cliff in 2020. that's an entirely different
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matter. >> senator wicker, enjoyed the conversation. thanks for joining us this morning. the economy added 428,000 jobs in april. what does it mean for the economy? i'll ask labor secretary marty walsh ahead. >> also stunning revolutions from mark esper. hear the absurd instructions he got from donald trump. >> and we'll go live to alabama for the latest on the e ongoing manhunt. ssional. ♪ i i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yl) woo-hoo!
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absolutely appalling. that is how supreme court chief justice described the leak of a draft opinion overturning roe v. wade. he's ordered an investigation into who is behind it and has also called that person foolish if they think this will affect the supreme court's work. hillary clinton is also weighing in for the first time on the potential end of abortion rights. here she is in an interview with cbs news. >> this opinion is dark, it is incredibly dangerous and it is not just about a woman's right to choose, it is about much more than that.
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and any american says, look, i'm not a woman, that doesn't affect me, i'm not black, that doesn't affect me, i'm not gay, that doesn't affect me. once you allow this kind of extreme power to take hold, you have no idea who they will come for next. >> hillary clinton weighing in there. we'll continue to follow that. of course as there are more developments. we want to look at the economy today. 428,000 new jobs added in april. that does beat predictions slightly. the u.s. is really beginning to see a slowdown in job growth. the economists expected the unemployment rate to fall to a new pandemic era low. it did hold steed at 3.6%, pretty good. labor secretary marty walsh, nice to have you back with us today. this is the 12th straight month that the u.s. added 12,000 jobs
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or more. my colleague was told this morning you may want the job market to slow down a little. would you agree with that? >> i heard that report this morning. i think we're going to see a normalization of job gain here in the united states at some point. we can't continue to gain at 400,000 to 500,000 jobs per month. i think the report was a little different reason for it but i think we will start to see changes here over time. obviously 95% -- we're back to 95% of employment in america from prepandemic levels. there is some work that we have to do as far as workforce development and job training. we saw a little tick down in the labor participation rate. for the future economy of america, we need to help skill up people and give them the ability to get into better paying jobs. >> those better paying jobs are key, as we look at inflation which is hitting so many people.
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that's what they see at the grocery store and paying their bills. even when we saw an increase in wages, when you factor in inflation, it feels like a negative almost. how are you helping to counter that? what are your conversations with ceos and employers because they're feeling the pinch, too. >> there's two questions in there. one is we have to do everything we can and the president has given us the directive to do everything we can to bring down inflationary perspectives. he's talking with creating more opportunities, number one. the second piece of that is when i talked about job training and skills, as we think about more manufacturing and high-tech manufacturing in the united states in america, we think about more need for engineers and more more need for the tech industry. we need to build a bench for folks in that industry so they actually have the workers in those areas that we're seeing to be able to access those jobs.
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i think that's really important. we saw a lot of people leaving lower wage jobs looking for better opportunities. it'sies toe to say i want to leave my job over here because i'm not making enough money. but if they don't have an ability to get into good workforce better paying jobs -- >> you talk about those opportunities, the battle to bring inflation down. you know what the numbers tell us in terms of polling, in terms of how people are feeling about this economy. latest polling, making sure i have this correct, 55% say president biden's policies have worsened economic conditions in this country, only 19% believe they've improved. you talk about -- the administration talks about trying to tackle high gas prices and trying to tackle inflation. you and i have talked before about the need to tack that will messaging, even when you have things like 12 months of incredible job growth and near
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full employment, it's the perception and the reality of people's daily lives that really informs how they feel about the economy. how is this administration working to change that? >> you're absolutely right. and it's not just about telling a good story on tv so people feel good about themselves in their home when inflation is high or when they're working in a job they're not happy about. there's a couple things we need to do here. number one, we as an administration and when i say administration, i'm talking about myself and other members of the administration because the president's out there every day, need to do a better job of talking to the american people about actually what we are doing on their behalf, number one. and, number two, we have to do a job of lowering down, get more labor participation rate in there, helping people transition into good jobs or better jobs, helping businesses in america to make sure they have the support they need to be successful and we need to continue to bring down the costs, whether it's the gas at the pump, milk and food
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at the kitchen table, all the other costs that are out there and continue to make sure our supply chains continue to bring supplies into america so we're not seeing costs. and housing. we have to work to make sure we're creating more supply of housing on the market to level off some of those pricing. we have not had a real significant housing plan in this country for decades. i think when you see the cost of housing in lots of this country, particularly urban parts of this country, seeing costs go through the roof, the number one -- one of the number one reasons -- the number one reason is there's not enough supply. a lot of demand and not enough supply. >> cnn has great new reporting look at the numbers about how shut downs in china are leading again to supply chain issues. how prepared are you based on what we already went through to deal with those issues? >> well, that's certainly concerning to me. we have 27 ships at least as of two weeks ago off the coast of
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the the west coast, two months before it was 67 ships. so we're releasing the pressure valve on the supply chain getting ships into the shore. once china starts manufacturing again, there's going to be another large influx of ships coming into the united states of america. i think folks in the porlts and our longshoremen are going to be prepared for getting these ships, get them unloaded quickly and move them to the states faster than before. now we've gone through this exercise of easing the burden. think think we'll be very prepared for it. depending on how quickly we can get goods from other parts of the world. >> secretary marty walsh, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> stale ahead, launching missiles at mexico. dipping an isis leader's head in pig's blood and parading it.
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this morning law enforcement officials are preparing for potential violence in the capital and nationwide after the leak of that supreme court draft opinion that would strike down
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roe v. wade after 50 years. capitol police is warning the far right is calling for violence against a religious group planning to rally for abortion rights. listen, seeing fengces go up there, it's sort of like post-january 6th. what specific intelligence is worrying law enforcement officials? >> reporter: several of them tell us they're closely monitoring social media channels that there's a potential for violence against clinics and members of the government. after january 6th, we know social media chatter can manifest into violence. sometimes people say what they are going to do. law enforcement and federal law enforcement officials held a call with about 150 participants all across the country to warn
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them about protests that resulted in confrontations about the possibility of future demonstrations as well as for the potential for violence. so that's what's going on across the country. here in washington there is physical proof that law enforcement officials and officials -- congressional officials, supreme court officials here are concerned about the potential that protests could erupt. just take a look at this fence behind me. i'm about 5'6". this fence is a couple feet higher than me. you've seen this fence many times. it went up around the capitol following january 6th. this approach has become somewhat of muscle memory here in washington following the riot. down the street you see a con k concrete barrier going up. the bottom line is while these protests here in washington at least have been peaceful, there have been a couple confrontations but no physical eruptions, no real serious acts of violence here because police were able to intervene. they're very concerned about it,
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mpd keeping some of those police resources at least through sunday. back to you. >> whitney, thank you. the latest book to peel back the curtain on the strum administration makes a being shocking accusation that donald trump wanted to use missiles. >> prum esident trump saying we could just shoot some patriot missiles and take out the labs, quietly, adding that no one would know it was us. i'll play the sound. this is about sending a quarter of a million u.s. troops to the mexico border. have a listen. i'll get your reaction.
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>> who suggested that we accepted a quarter million u.s. troops to the border? >> steven miller. we were in a meeting waiting for the president to come out, standing around the resolute desk, he's behind me and this voice just starts talking about caravans are coming and we need to get troops to the border and we need a quarter million troops. and i think he's joking and then i turned and and i looked at him and these dead pan eyes, clearly he is not joking. i was just flabbergasted that not only was the idea proposed but that they were working on it. >> these were not isolated things. this is about targeting mexico with missiles, sending troops down to that border. it also was not isolated to trump. what's the result of this?
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>> the last thing that he said there was maybe the most chilling in that sound bite you played, which is people in my department were working on it. why? he's the defense secretary. why did this off-the-wall, unbelievable idea even get to the point where people were clearly circumventing the sec-def here, the secretary of defense -- >> meaning it was real, right? >> meaning it was real because they knew people in positions like mike esper were trying to push back against some of these absolutely wild ideas that the president had and that were being pushed by the steven millers of the world. jim, i have known steven miller for years and years and years. he worked on capitol hill and worked for then senator jeff sessions. he is a one-note johnny.
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he's all about immigration, he was back then and then he was on the fringe of the gop. people didn't listen to him. in this case he was in the oval office with the ear of the most important man in the country. >> i've had conversations with him about his view of immigration making a case for only a certain kind of people belonging in this country. >> which we heard a lot of. jim and i have been talking about this throughout the morning. when you look at these revelations, why are you saying something now and not then? he did say his real act of service was to stay there ap sure -- i wonder with another book of shocking revelations about what was happening in the white house, what is the reimpact moving forward? it's a really good question,
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erica. that he does not believe that donald trump is fit to serve, that he has one focus and that is himself and not the public good and that he should not be in that role. and, as you said, he argues in this book that he stayed as what he called the ultimate public service to try to protect from some of these ideas that the president was throwing out there and they got increasingly wild, alexandria ocasio-cortezing to esper and others who have written books. never mind what happened after he actually lost the election. but we also have to keep in mind that this is a man, the former defense secretary, who wants to preserve his own reputation. he is and always will be donald trump's former defense secretary. he's trying to contextualize
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that in this book. >> good point, dana bash. >> still to come here, the new explosive allegations made by actress ap ber herd against her ex-husband, johnny depp. >> i'm looking and i don't see him anymore. i don't see him anymore. it wasn't him. i have never been so scared in my life. >> coming up, more of the graphic emotional testimony from heard's second day on the stand.
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z right now the first lady joe biden is serving meals. it's the first on her four-day trip to eastern europe. jeremy, what's on her agenda there? >> reporter: as you said, the first lady serving dinner to u.s. troops stationed in romania. this coming minutes after she landed in romania, her first stop on a four-day tour of romania and slovakia with a focus on u.s. troops and supporting them but also on ukrainian refugees. the first lady saying last night as she departed that she wanted to show the ukrainian people and deliver a message from herself and the president of the united states for them to no that we sand with them.
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she said she wanted to show them the resilience of these ukrainian refugees has inspired her and so many others. after she's going to go to a school where u krkrainian refug have been enrolled. and then on sunday, it is mother's day. the first lady is expected to spend time with ukrainian mothers and their children, who are in slovakia and she's expected to visit the ukraine/slovakia border where refugees have been filtering in. there are 850,000 in romania and 350,000 in slovakia.
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court is dark today in johnny depp's defamation trial against his ex-wife amber heard but this day follows two days of gripping testimony from her. yesterday she testified she had tried many different ways to end depp's alleged physical abuse. >> it felt like nothing i could do, felt like nothing i could do would change the sobriety patterns, felt like nothing i could do with stand up to him and nothing i could do made him stop hitting me. nothing. we're actually not going to hear from anybody for just over a week. testimony will resume on may 16th. walk us through what we heard yesterday on the second day on the stand for amber. >> there is so much to unpack here. hours of emotional testimony. it's hard for people to wrap their heads around. we heard johnny depp saying in
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several instances that he's never struck a woman, that he's never hit a woman before. amber, a totally different scenario of what their relationship and their marriage was like. here's a little more what she said yesterday specifically about james franco. >> i was being very deliberate about my movements, wasn't saying anything, i wasn't engaging. i am walking away from him slowly and he tells me to hurry the [ bleep ] up. hurry up. and i just look at him one more time wanting to penetrate the monster to see the man that i love underneath that, the man i loved. and he tells me to hurry up again and i pull my gaze away from him, i walk away from him, my back is turned to him and i feel this boot in my back.
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>> amber in this specific part of her testimony, erika, is talking about johnny depp allegedly kicking her in the back with his boot who was so jealous about her friendship with james franco. there were reports that james franco was even going to potentially testify but it doesn't look like that's going to be happening. so the next move here is that amber, she may take the stand one more time in a week but she will ultimately be cross cross-examined by johnny depp's legal team. >> in terms of cross-examination, a biting statement came out saying just wait for the cross-examination. >> you had johnny depp releasing a statement saying this was the performance of her lifetime. and that everything that she said was absolutely false, reiterating that he's never struck anyone and not struck a woman before. then you have amber heard's new
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p.r. team because she fired her p.r. team in the midst of all of this, shane communications, putting out a very lengthy statement last night to cnn in which they criticized johnny depp for not looking her in the eye during her testimony saying just wait, there's more to come, criticizing the fact he's been coloring and doodling and all the things that have gone viral that johnny depp fans are loving. i think thips arngs are going t more heated because there's an unprecedented break because the judge has a commitment. >> what does happen during that week? if you're a member of the jury -- >> and how do you avoid just the onslaught of social media and so many people talking about this? >> it's a case that has captured so much attention. not just because you're dealing with celebrities but the picture being painted is so volatile and concerning and reflects the sad reality of many relationships in
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this country. chloe, nice to see you. >> thank you. >> it has been a full week since an alabama corrections officer helped an accused murderer escape from jail. investigators say they have received hundreds of tips from across the country, and they have released this image of what she would look like with darker, shorter hair. what's the latest on the manhunt? are they getting closer? >> that's the big question right now. the marshal service and sheriff's department have been happy we've been here the entire week. every time we do a live shot, they get more and more tips. so many people across the country are so interested in this story, they're getting calls from all four corners of the united states. look at some of the pictures they put out just yesterday on the back of casey white. you can understand they are concerned about this man being out on the run.
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one of the things they did once he got loose is they called all his victims and pry heads up. we also talked to the man leading the fugitive task force yesterday. one thing that he indicated to me was they believe these two have been planning this for such long period of time. they had such a head start. they are. listen to what he told us yesterday about this ongoing search. >> we've gotten several hundred. and to be quite honest, all the four corners of the united states, we've gotten tips. we're seeing stuff coming in from the northwest down to the southwest up to the northeast. and everything in between. and it's going to be that one small tip that we think might be irrelevant really kind of breaks
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the case open. >> you know how but one of the things that's happening law enforcement in this case is all the peoples and all the jokes about this one. because of that, so many people are interested and more calls are coming in. you're talking about an individual who stands some 6'9" and they believe over 300 pounds and the jokes are so good, it keeps being shared on social media. that's why they believe they're getting even more tips because people are paying a lot of attention. ryan young, thanks so much. >> absolutely. >> and thanks so much all of you for joining us today. we open you have a good weekend. >> our colleague picks up the coverage after this quicick bre. stay with us. and it's never too eararly to learn you could save with america's number o one motorcycle insure. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends w we mae along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush.
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