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hello, again, everyone, thank you for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. ukrainian officials say all women and children and elderly civilians who had been trapped in that steel plant in mariupol have now been evacuated. this comes after weeks of bombardment in the long besieged city. scott mcclain has more from lviv. what are the reassurances that that is indeed the case. >> reporter: so we have been waiting all day for some kind of a statement, some kind of a confirmation that these civilians had gotten out. and now we finally have it. so this is coming from the ukraine deputy prime minister
who has been heavily involved with the negotiations and the efforts to get people out from underneath of the steel plant. she said that all women, children and elderly people have been taken out from the plant successfully. the order of the president has been done, she said. so this part of the mission, at least, is complete. we also got word from one of the soldiers inside of the plant that that evacuation mission went off without a hitch. without any kind of incident. what we still don't know is whether or not there were any civilian men left behind. that is a possibility. but can hwe don't know. and we don't know how many were trapped under there. the latest estimate there was around 100 civilians, perhaps still trapped. earlier we had gotten word from the separatist government, the donetsk people of the republic saying 152 people including 32 kids had been allowed to leave the city. but it wasn't clear whether that included peep from under the plant or whether that was only
referring to people from the broader city. of course even now that all or the vast majority of the civilians are out from underneath the plant, you still have a situation there. you still have hundreds, perhaps of soldiers trapped, the ukrainians say that hundreds of soldiers are injured alone and they would very much like to get out. soldiers have said they would like for some diesel to be brokered to allow them to leave in one piece. president zelenskyy is working on his diplomatic options along with some influential third-party states to try to broker a deal but we don't have any word on that right now. and of course the soldiers say in the absence of that kind of a deal, they will not leave without a weapon in their hands which means they are prepared to fight until the end. one other thing, fredricka, and that is that the latest word from the ukrainian military is that the russians have still got the plant blocked off, now that the civilians are gone, and they
are using tanks and artillery to fire on it. >> scott mclain, and again we don't know how many ukrainians soldiers might still be in there? >> reporter: correct, yes. so the estimates are that there are several hundreds of ukrainian soldiers inside. u.s. estimates are that there are some 2,000 russian soldiers surrounding that plant. two battalions. but again the ukrainians have said that there are several hundred who are injured alone and they've been dieing in agony, is their words. so this could be potentially a very bloody end to what has been a very long two-plus months for these people. >> really sad. scott mclain, thank you so much. so with the war raging on, the u.s. is stepping up its efforts to help ukraine and its people. president joe biden announcing a new $150 million security aid package and this weekend first lady jill biden is meeting with refugees in romania and slovakia. arlette saenz and kate bennett
joining us now with more on this. so we're getting details about what this new u.s. security package for ukraine entails. walk us through that? >> president biden yesterday announcing that the u.s. would be sending another $150 million worth of security assistance as the u.s. wants to make sure they have the tools and equipment they need to defend themselves against this russian invasion of their country. now, if you take a look at what exactly this package will entail, it includes artillery rounds, also counter artillery radar and jamming equipment and other field equipment. now this is going to come from existing u.s. stockpiles and this $150 million that the president authorized is nearly exhausting the funds that the u.s. currently had a to be able to give to ukraine. last week president biden asked congress to pass another $33 billion worth of assistance for ukraine. that would include military
assistance as well as humanitarian and economic assistance. but that currently remains tied up on capitol hill. the president in announcing this latest package that will be sent to ukraine urging congress to pass that measure to ensure that this assistance could continue to flow into ukraine uninterrupted. now this announcement of the new military assistance heading to ukraine comes as president biden tomorrow is set to participate in a virtual meeting with g7 leaders and president zelenskyy. this is an effort to show solidarity with ukraine but the topics of sanctions will also be on the table as the u.s. is trying to continue to find ways to hold russia accountable and support the ukrainians as they're defending themselves in this war. fred. >> thank you so much. and kate bennett with us. traveling with the first lady on his trip to eastern europe and spending the mother's day
weekend with refugees. so far how is it going? >> reporter: well it is been a very busy trip. we're in slovakia now but today he were in romania and bucharest and she had a meeting with humanitarian hearing about boos on the ground situation. there are still 7,000 ukrainian refugees arriving etch day. including mothers and children. she later went to a school with the first lady of romania who happens to be a full time teacher in addition to her role as first lady. they visited a school where ukrainian children have been on absorbed by the education system in romania and how classrooms have to adjust in size and these are children that have been through recent trauma. they've picked up and left their homes and now re-entering a new city, a new school and a new classroom and friends and all sorts of things. the first lady was there to listen to them and observe them in the classroom. one little girl made a sign that
said that she only wishes she could go home and be with her father. and she was from kyiv. another girl who was 5 said she wishes to go back to odessa. these are parts of ukraine that have been bombed and insessently at times. it was a challenging day. the first lady was think being mothers and children. she held a listening session with mothers who had taken all they had and their kids and fled. some of them in the middle of the night. mostly without their husbands. without the children's fathers who stayed back to fight. so sort of imagine having a toddler or two toddlers if you will already and then having to move knowing your country was under attack and then ending up in romania where the people there opened their homes to these refugees and the first lady was there to tank them and this entire trip, fred, is to show our support for the ukrainian people, tomorrow she'll head to the border and we'll pick it up from there. back to you. >> kate bennett and arlette
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understand the circumstance to be, that steel plant, there were dozens of women, children, soldiers, representing ukraine who were there. now we're being told by ukrainian officials that women and children have been released but what do we know about the soldiers who were there? many of whom were injured? >> the soldiers are still there as far as we know. there are still hundreds of them. and when i met with president zelenskyy two weeks ago, last time we spoke, it was amazing to me how personally involved he is and has been for weeks in trying to get them out. so he's -- one thing that surprised me in our interview is that he's been personally texting and doing phone calls, sometimes in the middle of the night with a couple of the commanders who are there underneath that steel plant and he's in touch with them directly. hearing about their needs an the
wounded and the medicine they need and the ammunition they need for to break the russian siege. it seems like that is not so much a possibility any more. i don't think that ukrainians are attempting to break the siege at the moment. they just don't have the fire power. but it is kind of amazing that the president himself has been personally talking to and hearing from the soldiers who are down there. >> and it seems from the time that you've spent with him, he has been very personally involved on so many levels. and that he has grown into this job and in your profile you talk about how three years ago, you know, when he was running for office, he was a different man then what he has come to be and this invasion has reshaped him in a way that is even surprised him. tell me about what the
discoveries have been. >> i think so, yeah. i mean during this invasion, it was my fourth interview with president zelenskyy, so i have known him for about three years since he went into politics. the first time i interviewed him was when he was a comedian and actor running for president. and of course every time i've checked in with him since and interviewed him, he's been -- he's changed. and i think the changes this time when i spoke to him were specially dramatic. these two months have really taken a toll. when i asked him how have you changed in the last two months of the invasion. and he said he had aged, he'd taken on as he put it a wisdom that he never wanted, related to the war and the suffering that he's seen, the atrocities that he's seen the russian soldiers commit. so, yeah, he's become harder. but also i'd say compared to the person i met three years ago, much more confident in his leadership, a lot stronger and
more tough. >> he's harder and more confident. tougher. but you also describe that he is still -- what remains are many fears particularly as this conflict goes. and that he is concerned that people, while there seems to be global support for ukraine and its fight and his leadership, that he grows very concerned and worried that people will simply get tired of the conflict, they'll turn the page. tell us more about that his concerns, how he is hoping that people will not -- the global community will not lose interest in what is happening and that would really be his biggest nightmare as this conflict continues. >> yeah, that is one of the things that he asked me about. he said simon, what is your sense of the level of attention? is it waning in the west around the world? do you have the sense that the world is still paying attention to what is happening here in
ukraine? and that is a big concern of his. he sees that as a fundamental part of his leadership. not only to stay in touch with the military commanders on the ground, and make sure that they have the support they need, but to constantly be engaged with international leaders, giving speeches, giving interviews, you know, most of his day when i was there with him those two weeks with the team, most of the focus and attention is related to keeping the world on board, maintaining the support of the international community and that usually involves, you know, a huge list, a daily list of speeches and engagements, meetings with the international community and trying to keep them interested and keep their support strong. so he's very concerned that that could flag as the horrors of the war constantly fill the news cycle and the headlines an the social media feeds of people
around the worl. >> it is a fascinating article, simon. thank you for sharing us with the reading public. i mean, just all of that detail from the creases in his face, the fatigue, and but at the same time how he battles that fatigue with an awareness of where he is on the global stage and the leadership of his country and how he no longer looks in the rooms for his advisers but how he has grown floor this position. simon schuster, thank you so much. and i encourage everyone to read it. "time magazine." >> thank you. coming up, emotional testimony from actress amber heard. she took the stand and recounted explosive allegations of abuse by her ex-husband johnny depp. we'll discuss next. that was quick. and rewarding. i earn 3% cash back at drugstores
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all right, this week taking the witness stand, amber heard in the defamation lawsuit brought by johnny depp. the actor is suing his ex-wife for $50 million over a 2018 washington post op-ed in which she described herself as a public figure representing domestic abuse. depp was not mentioned in the piece. though, he maintains it cost him lucrative acting gigs. heard fired her own $100 million counter suit against depp in 2020 which is ongoing. we report on week four of this trial. >> reporter: amber heard took to the witness stand in her defense for the first time during week four of johnny depp's defamation trial against her. >> this is horrible. for me to sit here, for weeks
and relive everything. >> >> reporter: it was start of two days of emotional testimony from the 36-year-old actress, during her first two days on the stand, heard offered the jury a glimpse of what she alleged was constant physical and sexual violence suffered at the hands of her then husband. allegations depp denies. >> i was trying to get through to johnny. i couldn't see him. i couldn't see him at all. and my head was bashing against the back of the bar and i couldn't breathe. and i remember trying to get up and i was slipping on the glass. my feet were slipping, my arms were slip ping on the counter tp and i wanted to get up and so i could breathe and tell him that he was hurting me. i don't think he knew what he was doing. >> nothing i did made him stop hitting me.
nothing. so, you know, i tried for over a year, maybe two of just not responding physically, not responding verbally. just staring at him. i tried to freeze. i tried to go to a different place. i even threatened to leave him. and tried to leave him and nothing was working. >> reporter: dep testified that he was the one that endured physical abuse from heard but heard could recall only one instance in which she struck depp saying it was in response to her sister who was present for an argument with the couple. >> for the first time i actually hit him. square in the face. he didn't push my sister down the stairs. >> reporter: then they concluded with some of the most graphic testimony that the jury has heard so far. during an explosive fight in 2014, at a rental home in australia, heard claimed dep used a liquor battle to sexually assault her.
during that testimony depp seemed to look away from the witness stand. >> do you recall what mr. depp was saying to you when he had the bottle and was forcing it against your pubic bone? >> he said that he was [ bleep ] kill me. >> reporter: heard testified that she left australia feeling destroyed and heartbroken. >> the discomfort i was feeling afterwards just pailed in k comparison to how scared, shocked i was. i'm scared. i just married this man. >> reporter: outside of the proceedings they called her testimony convoluted an the performance of her life writing the upcoming cross-examination will be most telling and certainly highlight the many fallacies miss heard has now attempted to pass off as fact. heard's team responded calling
depp's behavior during the trial as pitful as it was in their marriage. heard picked up on may 16th with expose closing arguments expected after that. >> want to bring in sella azary, joining me live from los angeles. so good to see you. >> good to see you, too, fred. >> so amber heard's testimony this week, it was quite striking. how do you interpret what was said on the stand? >> so, you know, fred, domestic violence is a deadly epidemic, obviously. it is horrific, what she's described in graphic detail is awful. but in a court of law, we look for the truth. we look for credibility. we look for corroboration. and her testimony has been largely implausible. >> why? >> i don't impose -- well, look i'm not saying that victims of domestic violence need to gather proof and take photographs of
their of their injuries but this is a person well documenting and photographs the chaos, the broken objects, the videoing johnny depp in his kitchen slamming cabinets but she does not take any photos of some very, very serious injuries. not just little marks on her face, but cuts, things that -- the broken nose, the broken ribs and she is some, fred, who is surrounded by nurses and zrr doctors and witnesses that testified they saw no marks of abuse on her following the incidents that she's alleging. and when you look at the facts, they become por detailed, that shows fabrication on some level. and last but not least, she has very selective memory. the facts that are bad for her, she doesn't know or recall. and yet she recalls the type of flooring that she was dragged across after being sexually assaulted. it is really a credibility call for this jury. but i would say that between her and depp, depp is the one that
is more credible and likeable and in a court of law, as you know, fred, if the jury likes you, they will believe you. you they don't like you, better have some strong corroboration. >> in her defense, can't sometimes trauma interrupt your memory of things? >> yes. absolutely. and we had experts testifying to that, or her expert, hired gun, dr. hughes testified before she testified and you look at totality. you give her that. you say okay fine, you don't remember but then why do you remember other things that are irrelevant. but you don't remember -- and then you look at the lack of photographs, some of these injuries, fred, she absolutely would have landed in the hospital for. none option. it is not whether i don't want to go to the hospital like some victims do say, she would have been bleeding. she wot no have a choice but to be taken to the hospital. so again, there is an implausibility here that i just
can't overlook and she's just not as relate able as depp was his testimony. >> as a defense attorney how would you prepare your client for a moment like this? >> well, you know, i think when you are telling the truth, your lawyer will prepare you and you are prepared for anything that comes at you on cross-examination. if you are putting together facts in a story, then it is tough because there might be questions asked of you on cross and her cross is going to be brutal, i imagine. but you just cannot prepare for. and ultimately, fred, i want to bring this back to the swrer asity of the 2018 op-ed, because that is why we're here. we know that let's say this jury believes her, they must have absolutely also believed depp. because he definitely had the more credible case. so now you have two perpetrators. her op-ed is written as a first
person me-too victim point of view. so is it truthful to say that you're a victim of domestic violence when on some occasions you've been the perpetrator. to me, that is deceptive, it is a half truth and a half truth is a lie which makes it defamatory. >> you mentioned the cross-examination just might be brutal. we know that a spokesperson for johnny depp has said that when they cross-examine, it will highlight the many fallacies that she has testified to at the same time might it potentially backfire if cross-examination is too tough? >> yes. i mean, you know, sometimes when lawyers get snarky and they get personal and they get really sort of hostile, it doesn't look good before a jury. but sometimes the witnesses is the one that gets hostile in response because she or he is not prepared for that question. and so i -- i keep saying first
year law student could do this cross-examination and unravel this testimony. there is just so much that she could be impeached with. and so much we've heard in the last three weeks that is contrary to what she's saying and i'm also curious about the other witnesses that she's going to put up. are they going to change the trajectory of this case for her in some way. >> we'll be watching. sarah, good to see you. so glad you could join us today. >> thank you, fred, for having me, finally. >> thank you. thanks for saying yes. we'll be right back. neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more b brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigigger. see him? he's not checkin' the stats. he's finding some investment ideas with merrill. eyes on the ball baby.
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♪ lysol. what it takes to protect.® all right, the fallout from a leaked draft report sewing the u.s. supreme court could overturn abortion rights in the u.s. continues to grow. take a look right now. live pictures of centennial olympic park in downtown atlanta where a crowd is gathering at an abortion rights rally. it is one of several planned rallies across the u.s. today. if roe v. wade is repealed, at least 20 state could move to ban abortions. other states would move to protect abortion rights. and as cnn's jessica schneider reports, the patch work of old and new state laws could lead to confusion. >> we want to outlaw abortion in the state of oklahoma. >> reporter: nearly two dozen states are on the brink of banning abortion. and it will happen almost immediately if the supreme court
overturns roe v. wade. 13 states have trigger laws. abortion bans that will go into effect once roe is off the books. nine states have so-called zombie laws, abortion laws that were never repeal and they would go back into effect if the conservatives on the court eliminate that constitutional right to abortion. >> that very moment prosecutors around the state could begin prosecuting doctors and i would arga potentially women as well. >> reporter: michigan's law makes no exception for rape or incest but it would allow abortions to save the mother's life. but the republican running for attorney general in michigan said he would prosecute even if abortion was performed in an effort to save the mother. >> well what about the life of the mother? okay. you have an exception for it? i said i do not. because there is literally no medical diagnosis that says that
if the mother's life is in danger, abort the baby. >> that is one example of how encertain the actual enforcement could be. in wisconsin, the attorney general is already saying he'll refuse to prosecute and will instead leave it to local district attorneys. >> it is my view that we have problems that we -- our law enforcement need to be dealing with like violent crime and drug trav trafficking and we don't need to shift to go after people for allegedly violating a ban that nobody had understood to be enforceable for almost 50 years. chant clant. >> reporter: the wide-ranging approach reflecting how uncertain and uneven the legal landscape would be in a post roe world. >> whether states could reach out of their own borders to prosecute people or whether
states will prosecute patients for having abortions as louisiana seems to be doing. >> they passed a bill this week that would classify abortions as homicides leaving the door open for patients to be prosecuted. and then there is the question about how officials would even find out about illegal abortions. privacy advocates are raising the alarm that people's google searches could be used against them or even their own cell phones. alan butler leads the electronic privacy information center and points out that third parties could buy information from google and provide reverse searches and track who was at an abortion clinic and when. >> if a prosecutor gets a court order to get this type of data or they try to buy this data on the open market which is another thing that happens, then they would know information about the devices that were there, the i.d. of your device. >> reporter: legal experts are scrambling to understand all of the implications of a post-roe america and rather that the
likely decision being the final word, it could spur a flurry of state by state legal fights in the years ahead. >> thank you jessica. with me to talk more about this is franita tollson vice dean from the university of southern california law school. so good to see you. >> good to see you, too, fred, thank you for having me. >> so this is a draft but what wheels do you see have already been set in motion as a result of its leaking? >> well, we know that abortion is on the chopping block. until five justices sipe on this opinion, roe and casey are still the law of the land but at end of the day the draft tells us we should expect the worst. things could change between now and the end of term. but it is unlikely. and so i think it is best to prepare for a world after abortion. after abortion rights, after reproductive freedom. what does that world look like
that because it is likely it will strike down come the end of the term. >> what are your concerns what the world will look like then? >> oh, i don't even know where to start. i think the package gives us a taste of how things will be. you know, it is entirely possible that many states will start defining life as starting at conception. so that means that you could have situations where a miscarriage becomes a potential murder investigation. where women who have unviable pregnancies, where they may suffer an atopic pregnancy or carry a fetus that is not viable, they have to see that through at risk of their own health. these laws could potentially ban contraceptives like the iud or plan b and also have implications for in-vitro fertilization. it could become a crime to destroy discarded embryos and that are produced as a part of that process. this has implications well
beyond abortion and that is something that we have to take seriously. >> do you have similar concerns that hillary clinton expressed about the what's next that if roe versus wade is overturned that it sets a precedent rather on right privacy and could open up a rolling back of other rights from interracial marriages to same-sex marriages to a continued chipping away of voting rights, the list goes on and on. >> absolutely. i think we have to be concerned about any right that is not expressly enshrined in the constitution. in the constitutional text. so there is always going to be some point in the court where they will interpret to protect aright. so the right of abortion is viewed by the court in roe and casey is the aspect of the right of privacy which was protected in the constitution. but because it is not expressly mentioned and there are many
rights that are not. so the same-sex marriage right, the right of sexual autonomy in a case called lawrence versus texas 20 years ago, things like that will be on the chopping block because essentially the draft opinion shows really no reverence for precedent at all. so those cases, which in normal circumstances would constraint the court's discretion and in fact if you look at casey opinion, that reaffirmed roe, that was all about recognizing the sanctity of precedent. we have a decision and we have to honor it regardless if we think it is rightly or wrongly decided. there is a a precedent. we don't have that any more. dobbs is overturned the precedent. so any case involving a right not expressly mentioned, we have to be concerned about that right. >> and at least two of the justices in recent memory actually made reference to precedent and the laws of the land and being respected as such. but of course, now we're seeing
something differently from this draft. i mean listen to justice alito who wrote this leaked draft during his confirmation hearing 16 years ago on precedent and how these decisions are made. listen. >> do you believe it is the settled law of the land? >> roe v. wade is an important precedent of the supreme court. it was decided in 1973. so it is been on the books for a long time. it has been challenged on a number of occasions and i think that when a decision is challenged and it is reaffirmed, that strangens its value as stair decisis. the more often a decision is reaffirmed, the more people tend to rely on it. and i think stare deseiss is reflected the view that there is wisdom embedded in decisions that have been made by prior
justices. >> do you listen to his answer any differently now, do you evaluate it differently now knowing that he authored the draft that has been leaked? >> i don't. and in part it is because it wasn't believable when he said it and it is not believable now. supreme court confirmations are political theater. so justices say what they think they need to say in order to get on the court. but you have to remember that these are life appointments. so absent egregious behavior, if you could get five justices behind any position, it doesn't matter what is said in a confirmation hearing. so, that is just performative. so i never believed it. >> oh, gosh. all right. vice dean franita tollson, appreciate your candor. >> thank you. >> thanks for being with us. >> all right. still ahead, as war rages on, it is nothing but peaceful aboard the international space station.
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greeted by russian cosmonauts. what is it like in a time of war back on earth? rachel crane joining me now. rachel, you interviewed two of the astronauts about how they remain committed to their mission right now. >> that's right, fred. these two astronauts i spoke to said they understand the magnitude of what they are doing up on the international space station. of course the international space station remains one of the last diplomatic links between the u.s. and russia. they depend on one another, the russian side controls the propulsion of the laboratory and the u.s. side controls the power. the russian who runs their aspects of the international
space station has threatened to pull the funding. but i spoke to astronauts about the mood on board station and their concerns. take a listen. do you worry that the russian government could order their cosmonauts to take aggressive actions on station like closing off access to russian modules or some sharing resources, and if not, why not? >> we do not worry about that. the reason is we have i think an instinctive understanding of the community we are part of. i think we all understand what we do here is valuable, that the space station is valuable, and that even in times of conflict, you have to preserve bridges, you have to preserve some areas of cooperation. and, you know, the best candidate for that is just the space station. >> we are a family up here. we have dinner with our
cosmonaut colleagues. and we understand the shared mission, the shared goal. and we'll all work together to do our best to accomplish that and do so successfully, safely, and efficiently. >> and fred, i just want to point out this is a milestone mission for jessica watkins. it's her first mission to space. she's also the first black woman to have an extended stay on station. she'll be there over six months. so really an historic mission here, fred. >> fantastic. congratulations to her. rachel crane, thank you. thanks for bringing it to us. still to come, a disturbing mystery in the bahamas. three american tourists were found dead at a beach resort. details about the investigation, straight ahead. but first, cnn's original series "nomad with carlton mccoy" continues with carlton's first trip to south korea. >> do you feel that the younger generation in korea values places like this?
[ speaking foreign language ] >> i didn't expect that answer. if there was one positive about how fast the world moves today, all the technology, social media, it's actually drawn people back to places like this. young people are leading the pack, starting to say we don't want this. i think it's really powerful. [ speaking foreign language ] >> now i see what's going on there. catch an all new episode of "nomad with carlton mccoy"
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