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you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm jessica dean in for jim acosta. today, a stunning show of global support for ukraine. snoent stand by me, oh, stand by me ♪ >> bono and the edge from u 2 performing today in a kyiv metro station. the irish rocker is not the only one who showed up in solidarity in ukraine today. first lady jill biden making a
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surprise visit to a ukrainian school and meeting with ukraine's first lady. at around the same time, canadian prime minister officially reopened canada's embassy in the capital. the two leaders also took part in a crucial call with joe biden and g-7 counterparts who vowed to phase out russian imports. on the other side, we just learned a russian deputy visited mariupol, a city russia has been trying to take over for two months. he's now the highest ranking russian to set foot there since the war began. that visit coming hours before the victory paid in russia. they will commemorate the soviet defeat of the nazis in world war ii. it's a stark contrast to the war being waived by russia today.
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russian forces bombed a school in eastern ukraine. dozens of civilians were sheltering at that school. cnn's sam kiley spoke to survives. >> reporter: to to putin is what a modern victory looks like. dozens dead or missing from a russian air strike on a russian-speak village as part of a russian campaign that putin says is to protect his kin folk in ukraine. the rescuers are saying the heat is overwhelming. local authorities fear about 60 people died here. this is a school in eastern ukraine. villages were sheltering in its basement. some had been there for weeks. survivors were left with little but grief. his family had been with him. his mother didn't survive.
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it is not lost on anybody here that on the eve of vladimir putin's celebration of the soviet victory in the second world war over nazi germany, it is civilians who are suffering the most in the name of putin's denounce if ication of ukraine. i got slammed down by a slab, bent into a bull, then another explosion sprinkled darkness. then i looked, and the dust settled and a ray of light appeared. sergey dug out and dug me out, dug my aunt and uncle out. we crawled all in a fog, he said. ukraine has stalled russia's plant for conquest, so the kremlin adds strategic sites to it list and steps up strikes in eastern ukraine, this week
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hitting a strategic city. ukrainian politicians refer to putin ideology as a fascist creed. speaking soon after the latest air strike, he said, they shoot prisoners with, they torture women and children, they go step by step towards naziism. such explanations for what's happening here don't really answer the painful question, why. sam kiley, cnn. >> sam, thank you. i'm joined now by cnn national security analyst, former cia chief of russian operations. thanks for making time. i want to start with russia's victory day celebration, which sam was talking about a little in that piece. they are reporting russia will have a flyover that would
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protect putin in the event of a nuclear war. is this more about a show of strength domestically for putin or maybe a little bit of both? >> i think this particular celebration, which is important to putin and russians at large, is more focused internally in terms of are a propaganda tool. what we're seeing is this general mythology solely defeating hitler and nazi germany. if you talk to much russians, they say we appreciate the americans and europeans' little help on that, but it's mostly viewed as a russian defeat of nazi germany. then, of course, that ties so naturally into the propaganda that putin has already laid down like the first layer of concrete, which is what we're fighting in ukraine is not much different than what we were fighting in world war ii and defeated other nazis.
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so he's clearly referring to the nazi forces that have somehow taken over ukraine with a german -- excuse me, with a jewish president. so this all needs and knits together quite nicely for internal propaganda con sums. >> and speaking of propaganda, in the recent days, we have seen evidence of soef jet imagery. we know they're changing signs that are in ukraine. ukrainian to russian. we also know the most senior russian official yet just visited that key city. how are you interpreting those actions? it sounds like they're hand in glove in what you were talking about. >> there's another piece to that as well. that is the long successfully executed strategy on the part of the russians, which is you have these sort of lump parts of the country that russia sends its
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troops into to start some sort of uprising. this is fwhapd donetsk referred to as the donbass region. what happens is the russian supporters there hold some sort of voting process, some sort of referendum that says, yes, we want to leave ukraine and become part of russia. then they say, we have russian speerks who are being beat upon and we are going to better protect them. this is what happened when other parts of ukraine were annexed, crimea, and also the russians have done this in frozen conflicts in several other low cases. so that's what i think is probably going to happen next if putin decides it's going to be really difficult for him to get much past, militarily i mean, much past the eastern and southern portions of ukraine. >> sources told cnn that the
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united states provided assistance to help sink that russian ship. we know the u.s. is sharing intel about russian movements and low cases. do you think putin was expects as much, or do you think he'll see this level of cooperation as provocative? >> you know, he'll see it probably as provocative or sort of on the same par i would guess as to the united states and our western allies sending the weapons that we're sending into ukraine. it is true, having seen this in the past, it is true that we provide intelligence, not just the united states, but also the other nato allies and the western countries provide intelligence to ukraine, but what they do with it is entirely up to themselves. so if they choose to use it to target a particular unit or particular set of tanks or even individuals that are high targets, that's a ukrainian
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decision, and the west understands that when it starts collaborating and cooperating with ukraine on an intelligence level. >> and the white house announced new sanctions against kremlin-controlled media companies today in the cold war and the soef jet union had propaganda that reached past its borders. does that make it harder for the west to break through and counter it to get into russia? we hear from russians who are believing all of this internal propaganda. >> it's the right question to ask because there is a balance there. you do want to try to break through to the russian population. it's extremely difficult now with the measures putin has taken over the past weeks and months to clam down on any form of open communication inside of russia. so it's very difficult, and you do want to try to break through. on the other hand, you want the sanctions to be as hard-hitting
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as possible. and i think the balance that was probably struck was you have a lot of russians who are very tech savvy. it's just risen dramatically in russia. so i think what we're counting on is russians will be able to figure out how to access this information as things continue on down the road. >> i want to get your reaction to what the director of the cia said about putin's calculus to the war. >> he's in a frame of mind in which he doesn't believe he can afford to lose. i think he's convinced that doubling down still will enable him to make progress. >> so if putin sees this as a must win scenario, what kind of tame frame is he dealing with before he needs to start worrying about his hold on power and how this affects him?
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>> i think the director is flight his assessment. the question simply boils down to what does putin mean when he says when, and how has he adjusted to what he considers to be a victory. what would have been a big win for him would be to take the entire country of ukraine, lob off the head of the leadership and then install a putin pickup truck government in ukraine. so that's not worked out very well. he's now listen limited by the ukrainian military to the east and south. so will that be enough -- if he just takes back the donbass and says this is russian territory, it's a great victory, will that be enough for him and the russian people. will he figure that no, i have to push further to reach some other kind of goal? very difficult to tell right now, but it is asking the right question as to what's a win for vladimir putin at this point?
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you're looking now at video of protestors marching to the homes of chief justice jon roberts and chief justice cavanaugh in response to that leaked report showing the supreme court is expected to overturn roe v. wade. while many democrats are furious and blaming their own party for not fighting back harder in the culture wars. >> where the hell is my party? where's the democratic party? are you guys paying attention? why aren't we calling this out? this is a coordinates effort, and yes, they're winning. they are. they have been. we need to stand up.
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where's the counteroffensive? >> former bill clinton strategist says he thinks he knows what part of the problem is. >> to date, they have no fear of democrats. that's why they do this. democrats, you got to understand just what a huge event this is in american politicians. roe is over two to one in approval. and they said, we don't care. we're not fair, and we don't care, and all the democrats are going to do is sit around and talk about veganism and to some extent, that's the view they have. >> joining us now the april ryan and a senior fellow at the enterprise institute. great to see both of you. chris, veganism and pronouns. do you believe democrats are
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losing this fight? >> i tell you, he as a constitutional scholar makes a pretty good politicalagest. the point of the institution of the supreme court is that it is not reflective of the democratic will of the people. i find it so just propostrous that these protestors go to the justices homes. these justices who have been pretty clear about how things are going. and when democrats talk about how this has been a 50-year project. the people ho that's opposed roe v. wade have been open and sincere about it. it's strange to me that the democrats feel like making more noise is going to make a difference here. >> april, i'm curious your take on this as well. >> chris is absolutely right. the people who are for abolishing roe v. wade are very passionate about it.
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i remember october 1 of last year when i was reporting on the first day of that session of the supreme court, and those who were for the abolishment of roe v. wade were praying. it was a large crowd. now look where we are. it's passion on both sides. the issue is can the democrats get the message out before the final opinion is made so that people can rally and make a difference to possibly change the final opinion if they will. the message has not been clear from the democrats as to what's on the table, what's at stake. a a lot of people hear roe v. wade, but do they understand it was set to set federal guidelines as to how long women can go before they have abortion. those kinds of things need to be put on the table so people can understand what they are fighting for. the broader community needs to
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understand the -- not the kreeb ral speak, but in regular laymens terms so they can get the message across even before midterms. >> and democratic senator joe manchin has said he believes inflation, not abortion is going to be the driving factor in the midterms. we have some cnn pollings on this. 66% said they did not support the supreme court overturning roe v. wade and look at the economy, also a majority, 5% actually believe biden's policies have made the economy worse. chris, let's start with you. which issue do you believe wins out in the fall? >> so abortion is an issue that if you have a strong attachment to that issue, if it's an important issue to you as a voter, you're already a decide partisan, right? you're not making your mind up on the basis of this question. the reason -- and certainly, we should say for democratic
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intensity and keeping party discretion behind some moderate candidates, to keep progressive and far-left democrats on board, this will be helpful. but you're talking about people who are concerned about the economy and inflation. so that drives votes because is abortion issue has already put people in their political corners. >> april, what do you think? which issue is going to drive more voters do you think? >> as we have talked about before, politics is personal. and what hits you, what affects you, that impacts you from any abortion is big, but also the issue of inflation is huge. from water at the grocery store to bread, the prices of wheat and bread to homes, wood, the price of wood has skyrocketed, to even grooming your dogs. and let's go to the gas pump. how much a gallon of gas costs the country and also in
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california, what 5 and $6? politics is personal, and whatever issue impacts you the most at the moment is what you're really going to go to the polls on. so that's it. >> and april, first lady jill biden making that unannounced prip to ukraine today meeting with refugees as well. she also spent time with the first lady of ukraine. we know pelosi and cabinet secretaries have gone as well. do you believe at this point it's time for president biden to go as well? i have talked to some people who say the security concerns are too much, but do you think it's worth taking those to make that message to putin? >> security concerns are the overriding issue at this point. the first lady traveled under stealth security, trust and belief they scoped every pin point of where she was going to go from the beginning to the end of the trip. and you have to remember, she's visiting the first lady of
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ukraine who has a target on her head from putin, and if the president of the united states goes, security will have to be tithe and will have to be a stealth trip because once again, there is disinterred cord at the very least between the president and putin. putin has already threatened he would do things to the west if we get involved. so there has to be a clear, strategic plan that is flawless for the president to go. but at this point, we have to wait and see. >> and chris, i'll just let you have a quick final thought on that as well. what's your thought on that? >> well, once you can take care of the security question, we've seen it can be securely done, there's also a political question. the wrap on ukraine is that it is a u.s. puppet. if biden is there, it might not
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be good for combatting russian narrative. the other thing you have to think about is you have a leader in zelenskyy who is enormously popular in the united states. i don't know if that's a contrast that would be beneficial to the president this year. so there's probably other layers of thinking underneath just the security stuff. >> all right, april, ryan, i appreciate you both so much. coming up, authorities offering up to a $25,000 reward in the hunt for an inmate and the krebs officer who allegedly helped him escape. plus an analyst from a former senior fbi profiler.
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right now, the man hunt the intensifying for an escaped alabama inmate. sk. corrections officer who helped him flee. former jail officer vickie white have been on the run for ten days now. an attorney who represented casey white in the past says he's worried what he will do if cornered by law enforcement. >> he was trying to get the officers to shoot him, and that is kind of my fear how this situation is going to end, that except for this time, i'm afraid casey may try to shoot one of them to get them to shoot him. after his arrest and in my conversations with him, he was wanting to die that day. >> nadia, what's the latest there in alabama?
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we lost nadia. we're going to try to get to her in just a moment to get that update. let's talk with former fbi profiler and special agent. she's join me now. mary, i want to start with the orange car that vickie white purchased using an alias. it was later found they dumped this car. did it strike you as a surprise that she bought that con pick use color car? and what does that say to you? >> i thought it was surprising the car was so bright because it would stand out, but there may have been reasons for it because that's what second afford or thought second afford or it was easy to buy right at the moment. but i thought that that was weird. and it was also a car that looks like it wasn't in that great of
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shape because it looks like there were mechanical issues that caused them to leave it on the side of the road. >> right. right. and the sheriff has said they drove roughly two hours north tennessee after disappearing. investigators do think that suv broke down. we have also seen they tried to use green spray paint or something on the vehicle trying to paint over the orange. does that give you any indication about what may have happened once they ran into that mechanical trouble? >> well, if in fact they thought enough ahead to try to paint it over, they brought the paint with them or if they left it there and went back and tried to paint it over, that would certainly go into the planning that went into it. i would think, though, once that broke down on the side of the road, their efforts at that point were to get the heck out of there and find new transportation.
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i would think they would not have gone back to that car because they knew it was a matter of time before that car was found. i think they would have cut their losses and got out of there. >> we heard from a former attorney for casey white, and he was talking about the state of his mind, the attorney was afraid casey white would try to get police to shoot him or engage in some sort of gun fight with them. as a former fbi profiler, what kind of suspects are law enforcement dealing with right now between casey white and if he's still with vickie white who was in law enforcement herself? >> i think what i heard the former attorney say about him was really quite insightful. based on the two personalities, here's what i think is going on, vickie is in over her head. she does not really know casey
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nearly as well as she thinks she does. she has not lived with him. at some point, his penalty is going to come out. he's impulsive and volatile. without medication, he can be very dangerous. that's going to create stress between the two of them. if they are cornered and his personality continues to manifest, i think he could be dangerous to himself and to others. i think vickie is not aware of any of this. she didn't factor any of this into what her plans were. so at that point, i think suicide by cop is a possibility. i think suicide/homicide is also a possibility. >> i want you to stay with us. i want to bring in our correspondent nadia. i understand you spoke to a victim of casey white's. can you tell us more about that? >> reporter: yeah. so remember, he was facing
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capital murder charges. that's what brought him to the detention center where the sheriff believe he met vickie white. during that time, he was already serving 75 years in prison for a crime spree he went on back in 2015. he was convicted of a long list of charges, including breaking and entering a vehicle and burglary. during that time, he stole a firearm from a man. we interviewed him. we spoke with him not long ago. he is a husband, he is a father, and he has been impacted by casey white for the past seven or so years since that happened. he said his gun was used to commit all the other crimes, the carjacking, the attempted murder. he has had such guilt from his own firearm being used in those crimes. he said he testified against casey white and saw him being convicted. he said he thought that nightmare he had to live would
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finally did b done. so i asked him about this idea that the sheriff said that he and vickie white had this relationship and she helped him escape. this was his response. >> i could not believe that an actual law enforcement offer helped him reenter society. i was absolutely befuddled. i could not believe that. >> reporter: he says he just couldn't believe it because when he was in the courtroom for that trial and testified against casey, he says he didn't see any humanity in him, that he was cold, that he showed no remorse for any of his crimes. >> nadia, thank you so much. i want to bring you back in, mary b, and get your reaction. it kind of goes back to what you were telling me. there's so much more to this person that's been in prison on
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capital murder charges. >> well, there's so much more, and it will be exacerbated during this period of time where they're being investigated or looked for by the united states marshall service. i think people need to understand that when you are the target of a national man hunt, that's very stressful. and people handle stress in different ways. vickie will handle it one way, casey will handle it another way. the way they handle it, they will collide with one another. there's no question about it that the stress will create problems in that relationship. casey has been described as someone that lacks empathy, that has no remorse for what they do. those are very concerning words for me because that suggests when things do start to go sideways, it will be all about him and how he's doing and how he's responding and what's best for him, and it will not be
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about vickie. she's about to recognize that in the upcoming day or week. >> to escape, he obviously needed vickie's help and her money. we know she sold her house under market value, she even made up a mental elgt evaluation she said she would receive the day they escaped. now that they are out, what does he need her for, and does that put her in danger? >> in my opinion, she is absolutely in danger. she completely underestimated this man. she does not know him the way she thinks she knows him. she underestimated the -- the danger that he presents to her. so i think that she is in a lot of trouble. and i think as he escalates and that escalation could be brought about by if he has access to drugs, if his mental health
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continues to deteriorate. if she disagrees with him, they are going to slash. as the u.s. marshalls and law enforcement get close to them, they are going to start fighting with one another. because of his size, his temp purrment and ill pulsivety, he really poses a danger to her. i don't know if she sees it yet. she's probably living in an idealistic relationship, but eventually, she will see his identity come out. >> a former representative of casey white says he does suffer from mental illness but he's, quote, a decent person when he's under medication and in the right environment. white's former attorney also says when he gets out, he self medicates with illegal substances and that's when he becomes a real danger. do you think it's possible because he was medicated, being
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treated behind bars in a more stable environment, it was easier for vickie white to believe him and believe in him? >> i think that's certainly true. i think he may have groomed her. we know there are some offenders that can be very charming. they can convince people that they're not dangerous or threatening. there's probably some grooming behavior that took place with this relationship as it grew, and she was very susceptible to it. it doesn't excuse her. it just probably explains how this relationship evolved to the point where she threw her whole life away. i think it's going to take a little time for her to realize what she threw away, that she was wrong in her assessment of him. but eventually, that will happen. i think the stress of knowing you are the most hunted couple in the united states creates enormous stress on these two.
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couple both pronounced dead by authorities. investigators say they had visited a local medical facility complaining about nausea and vomiting. they were treated and able to return back to their lodging. they also showed sign of con as a rule -- it was infact isolated, which it seems to be the case, according to authorities. when it comes to sandals reports, they released a statement saying they followed protocols and are now in contact with investigators assisting them. even though they have been able to rule out foul play, it's still a bigamistry as we try to find out what led to the three death and the injury of this woman p. >> thank you so much for that update. we appreciate it. we'll be right back after a quick brbreak.
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now we add the grana padana. >> this is completely changing everything i thought about risotto. >> my risotto does not look like that. be sure to tune in it airs tonight right here on cnn. it is a destination city for many americans. but in 2020 amid the pandemic, san francisco saw a dramatic drop in its population. those working from home decided to make home elsewhere. the exodus as created new opportunities for some longtime residents. >> reporter: in spite of tony jung's big tech salary in san francisco -- >> i felt like i was below middle class, and i had no real financial future in san francisco. >> reporter: he shared a house with two roommates where his portion of rent was $2,600 a
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month. but then remote work suddenly allowed him to move to austin, texas, where he bought a house with a yard. the monthly mortgage is $1,000 less than his san francisco rent. >> i don't see myself ever going back. >> reporter: in 2019, top earners in the bay area made 11 1/2 times as much as those at the bottom, the biggest income gap of any region in the state, according to a nonprofit and a nonpartisan public policy thinktank. and while san francisco's growth had already slowed in the decade before the pandemic, 2020 was the first year san francisco saw a population loss. some like jung gave up on the city's seemingly worsening problems on top of the pandemic. >> i was walking over leftover needles and drug paraphernalia. >> reporter: tents filled certain streets and wildfire smoke sometimes filled the air. >> there was a time period in 2020 when it was like holy moly, like what is going on? >> reporter: this business owner
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watched some of her friends and staff leave, too. but she's invested here, even saving the historic toy boat ice cream shop in the richmond district that was about to close. despite the shop being the target of vandalism and petty theft during the pandemic, she's seeing positive change among remaining residents. >> merchant tomcorridors like t, neighborhoods where there's a real sense of community. that community during all of this was really solidified. >> reporter: the population loss may not be permanent. to them that pandemic exodus feels more like one moment in the city's many ups and downs. in fact, by the end of 2021, the trend of more people moving away with fewer people moving in appears to be slowing. and because thousands of people had left, some found better rental deals like the booksmith, a shop that moved to a new location still along the street where it's been for more than 45 years. >> what keeps me here is sort of
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a continual sense of possibility and openness. >> reporter: to camden, the buyer and manager of the booksmith, the departure of people who were only tied to the city for work leaves more rooms for artists and marginalized people who find a safe harbor in san francisco's culture. >> to be themselves. >> if they can afford it. >> if they can afford it. >> you go through different themes. the next theme will be different and there will probably be good and bad things about it. there's nowhere else i'd want to be. >> reporter: natasha chen, cnn, san francisco. >> i'm jessica dean in for jim acosta. pamela brown takes over the "cnn newsroom" live after a quick break. have a great night. offers investorsrs a broader vi. ♪ we see companies protecting ththe bottom line by putting people first.
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