to, who knows, maybe agree to a lower offer by spooking markets a little bit. it is really hard to say. but we have seen the price fall in premarket trading so far. probably when that bell rings, pretty soon we might see some more of a bloodbath, we just don't know at this point. >> intrigue. elon musk style. catherine rampell, thank you very much. >> always. >> "new day" continues right now. i'm john berman with chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins on this "new day." ukraine takes down a russian helicopter in the black sea. and a new russian warship is in flames. plus, is the biden administration's response to the baby formula shortage falling short? we'll be joined by a key white house official. >> and pence versus trump, the former vice president set to campaign for the current georgia

governor while the former president is backing his opponent and, john, what is a really extraordinary pushback from pence on trump for first time we have seen really since they both left office. this morning we're also going inside the cockpit of a plane that a passenger with no flight experience was forced to land, when his pilot passed out. good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is friday, the 13th, may 13th. i'm john berman, our chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is in for brianna this morning. we have new details about a notable russian retreat. you'll remember that russia made a big play for kyiv, the capital of ukraine, its largest city. it failed. now the russians also pulling

back from the second largest city, kharkiv right there, the russians in retreat. we do have some new satellite imagery and the analysis tells an interesting story. these pictures you're looking at right here, these are of bridges, destroyed, believed to be blown up by the russians as they pulled back from kharkiv, in retreat, to try to keep ukrainians from the pursuit that they have been. and the ukrainians had been on their tail, the russians blowing these bridges up as they're leaving the region. again, i can show you where this is on the map here. kharkiv, here. it is a different story elsewhere in the country. especially in the eastern part, in the donbas region right there. ukrainians are now reporting that they have lost a key foot hold in the city of rubizhne. this is about 100,000 people. they now say after fierce fightings on the outskirts of this area, including the key industrial areas, the russians do now appear to be in control there.

>> and on snake island, which you'll remember for that defiant stance that they took by the ukrainian forces at the start of the invasion, there is new video of a russian helicopter being destroyed by a ukrainian missile strike. ukraine says its forces have destroyed multiple russian assets on the island in recent weeks and russian support ship that is named for a famous soviet athlete is on fire being towed away from the island, a climb we should note cnn has not been able to verify. cnn is reporting this morning that the intelligence community has now launched an internal review of how it assesses the fighting power of foreign militaries. this comes amid criticism that officials failed to make accurate assessments in afghanistan and in ukraine. >> i'm joined now by cnn military analyst and retired army general james "spider" marks. general, always a pleasure to see you. let's talk about kharkiv right now. this is the second major city that the russians have retreated from. let's push in here. how have ukrainians managed to push them back and what is the

strategic significance? >> what's really important to understand here is that the success that the ukrainians are having around kharkiv is important on a number of levels. number one, it validates what the ukrainians have been doing and we have been reporting on in terms of their ability to very creatively go after the russians and the russians are -- they're too hierarchical, they look like a bunch of fools, but they do have numbers. what we see here is i think the russians have realized as you've indicated with some success down here, lack of success here, what the ukrainians are doing are now going to protect this flank, i don't want to get too detailed here, but protect this flank, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to see these forces now moving in this direction, making this as we have discussed all along, this is a priority, this is where the mass needs to be achieved. this now, all this portion of ukraine becomes an economy of

force. what you've just reported on, cut the bridges here, ukrainians have a hard time pursuing them, russians can move forces down in that direction. >> do you see evidence of success here? we're talking about rubizhne now, which the ukrainians themselves say that the russians now more or less have in control, what is the significance if the russians are able to gain more ground there? >> yeah, and, again, going back to how the military filter through which i'm going to view this, if the russians are achieving success here, they want to reinforce success. you don't want to put good money after bad. don't want to reinforce failure. they're having a tough go up here, right. let's take this, let's reinforce this and let's make this the priority. >> and what about the black sea? because we keep seeing images of battles taking place around snake island here. as major mike williams told us before, the ukrainians are trying to fight a naval battle here without a navy. >> yeah, they are. they are. what's happening, bear in mind a couple of things. when you look at the black sea,

this is a big bathtub. it is completely bordered, when you get in there and the united states navy does not like to get into the black sea because there is no place to hide. what the russians have is they have forces here, they have taken out of crimea, moving them in different locations, so that they can affect with fire on to the shore. because of the proximity, and because of some intelligence collection capabilities, the ukrainians now are going after these naval forces that the russians are deployed, they are vulnerable, ukrainians are being very creative, in terms of how they're going after them. they don't have a navy. but they got some capabilities to gather intelligence and reach further out, which is the key to the ukrainian success, get as deep as you can, force the russians to make decisions that they wouldn't want to make so that they endpgage far differently. >> a lot going on this morning. thank you for helping us understand it. >> thank you, john. a lot going on here at home

as well as a nationwide shortage of baby formula is putting a real strain on families. the stores are struggling to keep it in stock. the house oversight committee just launched an investigation into the shortages as the white house is under pressure to help parents in need while acknowledging that more does need to be done. >> we would certainly encourage any parent who has concerns about their child's health or well-being to call their doctor or pediatrician. >> joining us now is brian deas, director of the white house economic council, which has been working on this issue. good morning, brian. i want to start with how much do you expect these steps that the white house announced yesterday, which were pretty modest, to really alleviate this shortage? >> well, we're looking at every possible angle that we can to try to address this issue. and these actions will matter. the president was on the phone yesterday with some of the nation's largest retailers and largest manufacturers of baby formula and the thing that they said across the board is that

the most important step that we can take right now is to give retailers more flexibility on the types of formula that they can sell and consumers more flexibility on the types they can buy, particularly through the wick program. we are moving out. we gave states guidance on using flexibility the day after this recall happened in february. we're going to move out again today with guidance urging states to take action. many have. some haven't. we need all states to move on that as quickly as today. >> and following these conversations that the president had yesterday, with retailers and manufacturers, does the white house now have an assessment even a rough one of how long this shortage could last? >> well, the key here is to produce more formula, but also to make more formula available and easier for consumers to buy. already we're seeing the impact of the steps that we have taken to produce more formula. so the manufacturers that we spoke to yesterday, gerber increasing production 50%.

rickits increasing production by 40%. there has been more production of formula than there was in the weeks preceding the recall. we have to also then make it easier for that formula to get on to shelves and for consumers to buy. that's why we need states to help us in cutting this red tape. all of these steps together will make progress. it is not going to solve itself in a day or a week. but we hope that these steps will contribute to making it a little bit easier for families. >> should parents be prepared for it to last weeks or do you think it is going to be more like months? >> well, i think that we have got to see how this progresses in real time. and we can say that for parents that have, you know, acute concerns now, they should be reaching out to their healthcare providers. there are emergency measures in place that your healthcare provider can help connect you to if you need a specialty formula and more broadly if you're looking for formula for your child, the stores are -- have

formula in stock, you can -- you can go, it is going to be tough, it may mean you're not able to get the brand you are used to or otherwise, but we are hope that increase in production that we're seeing from these private companies will start to have an impact here relatively shortly. >> and, of course, it is a big change for parents to have to switch to a different brand and get their babies used to that. republicans are saying the white house didn't act soon enough here to sound the alarm on this. what is your response to that? >> look, the administration has been on this from the get-go. a lot of this emanated from a plant in michigan that was producing formula that didn't meet safety standards. i'm a parent of small kids. safety is paramount in this place. we need to have safe -- high standards for safety. that plant was shut down because of those safety concerns. and the day that that recall happened, this administration sent out guidance to every state to update their regulations.

we have been working with the manufacturers since that happened and part of the reason why production has already increased is because of that work. but we're not resting, the president made clear yesterday to the manufacturers and the retailers that we are going to use every lever at the federal government we can to support this supply chain moving more quickly. >> when did you first become aware of the shortage? >> as a parent and friends and colleagues, it was -- we were aware people were starting to have trouble in stores, but we were aware of this from when the fda had to take its action back in february, with abbott and with the steps in the michigan facility. and we have had a team on this from the fda and interagency process since then. and the steps i mentioned are steps that have been taken over the course of multiple weeks, and we are ramping those up. >> and i believe the first complaints about this facility happened last fall.

i don't think the fda started interviewing whistle-blowers until maybe december or so. as you noted the recall started earlier this year. and so i'm wondering if the sense inside the white house is that the fda moved quickly enough on this issue. >> well, those are independent scientific judgments will leave to the fda. what i can tell you is that they took action to put in place that recall. and we have been working closely on this issue, in the wake of that recall, to try to address the attending impacts of that. >> if the president does use the defense production act, which we have seen some lawmakers including democrats say he should here, do you think that's something that could have a real impact? >> well, all options are on the table. the real focus here is how can we actually get more production of formula and how can we get it to move more quickly and easily to retailers. so a lot of that is about working with manufacturers so that they can run, they can work on overtime. that was some of the conversation yesterday. we're also looking at where we can import more formula from

other countries, where they have safety protocols in place, that would also help increase the amount of formula. but then it is also important to get rid of the red tape that keeps that formula from being sold on shelves. and that's what the retailers told us yesterday. the wic program is incredibly important. normally it has very strict protocols what types of formula are sold and in which context. right now we need to relax all of those in every state to make it easier for those retailers that when that formula comes into stockpiles, they can put it on to shelves. so that's the key step we need to take here, and we need states' help. >> it is very important message for a lot of families out there who want to know how long this shortage is going to last. brian deese, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. meantime, does senator rick scott's economic plan actually raise taxes like president biden has insisted? we have daniel dale with a brand-new fact check next. and new this morning, former

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president biden and senator rick scott of florida are in a face-off over scott's 11-point plan to rescue america. senator scott insists he would never support a tax increase, but the president says the plan would raise taxes by about $1500 per family. joining us now is fact checker daniel dale. daniel, what are the facts here? >> kaitlan, this is almost an embarrassingly easy fact check. senator scott imposed a tax increase, he says he would never support raising taxes, he proposed raising taxes and the proof is in his own plan. this is not complicated. a two-sentence item. i'll read it. all americans should pay some income tax to have skin in the game, even if a small amount currently over half americans pay no income tax. kaitlan if you're proposing people who pay no income tax pay some income tax, you're proposing a tax increase. and this is not a small group of people. currently more than 40% of american households were talking about 75 million households pay

no federal income tax for a variety of reasons. some of them are disabled. some of them are retired. some of them are working employed people who don't make enough to hit the minimum threshold to even have to file a tax return. senator scott has been criticized for this. not only by president biden, but even people like mitch mcconnell from his own party. he's back tracked. his office pointed me to an op-ed he issued more than a month after the plan came out, he said, no, no, if you're retired or working person, nothing will change for you. only people i'm going after are wealthy people who are gaming the system, and able bodied working age people who are not working, who are living on government handouts. first of all, that's still a proposal to raise taxes for able-bodied people and that's much narrower than the plan he still has not revised. he hasn't changed the original plan. howard glekman of the tax policy center think tank told me something that i think is entirely true, he said that senator scott has his plan and then he has his tweets and

op-eds where he says something that the plan doesn't include. he said all i know is that in his own words in his rescue american fplan, he would impose taxes on people who do not now pay taxes and that's the definition of a tax increase. >> that's what president biden has been using, really sharpening his language lately, using all his attacks on the gop by basing it off senator rick scott proposed here. he said he believes this is going to raise an average family's taxes by $1500. >> a member of the republican leadership laid it all out in a plan, it is the ultra maga agenda. their plan is to raise taxes on 75 million american families, over 95% of whom make less than $100,000 a year, total income. the average tax increase would be about $1,500 per family. >> based on what you have looked into, is the president describing it accurately? >> couple of things here.

first of all, it is not clear how broad the support is, even among republicans for this plan. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell rejected it. second of all, the nearly 1500 figure is real, kaitlan, but the way the president is describing it is misleading. he suggests it is directly from scott's plan, and it is not. here's what it actually is. the tax policy center, a think tank, saw the proposal and said, what kind of plan could possibly satisfy the idea that everyone pay some taxes? and it came up with a hypothetical plan where every household had to pay a minimum of $100 in federal in tack no matter what their income. this hypothetical plan is based on assumptions, that's what they told me, about what a scott policy could look like and they found under this hypothetical policy that 42% of households that would have their taxes raised would see an average increase of 14.80. they're very transparent this is only a hypothetical, but i think president biden wasn't for obvious little reasons. i think president biden is free to cite this nearly 1500 figure, it is a real analysis, tax

policy center is a legit entity, but it would be more transparent if he clarified this was from one independent analysis that tested what scott's proposal could mean rather than a definitive analysis. >> not something people like. daniel dale, thank you for bringing us the facts. >> thank you. also new this morning, there is a proxy war growing in georgia. former vice president mike pence is set to rally for the governor, brian kemp, who is one of former president trump's top republican targets this election season. should president biden pass the torch in 2024? our own david axelrod weighs in. open talenti and raise the jar. to gelato made from scratch. raise the jar to all five layers. raise the jar to the besest gelato... you've e ever tasted. talenti. raise the j jar.

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big political news this morning, a heavyweight proxy battle shaping up, pence versus trump. the former vice president announced he will campaign for georgia governor brian kemp. donald trump is backing kemp's opponent, very publicly david perdue.

he made kemp one of his prime targets for the midterms. joining us now, patricia murphy. this news broke just this morning. what do you make of it? >> yeah, this is huge news. we have known for a long time that republicans would start to line up behind brian kemp as he heads toward his primary on may 24th. we did not expect for mike pence to be coming in and putting in such a big public show of support for brian kemp. we got the news today and broke the news today that pence will be coming in the day before the primary, he'll do get out the vote valley for brian kemp and that will be in his challenge from against rather daperdue. pence is coming down on the side of brian kemp. >> to remind people why donald trump is going after brian kemp. brian kemp, the republican governor of georgia, refused to

do anything special to overturn the results or try to overturn the results of the 2020 election, which donald trump lost in georgia, and trump has never forgiven him. now you have the former vice president picking sides with the guy that trump blames in part for losing georgia. >> yeah. and it wasn't just that donald trump never forgave brian kemp, he recruited david perdue to run a really unprecedented primary challenge against brian kemp and david perdue made claims about the 2020 election, the focal point of his campaign against kemp. it really has not caught on successfully. brian kemp is ahead in the polls, he's way ahead in the fund-raising and to be able to have mike pence come in at the end really is because of a huge show of support from other republicans. it is not necessarily in every case in georgia something against donald trump, brian kemp has never spoken badly against donald trump, he's just tried to focus on the election results and he's tried to keep his own brand, but he's not picked a

fight with trump, but trump has picked a fight with him. >> patricia murphy, thank you so much. joining us now to discuss all this is david axelrod, cnn senior political commentator and host of "the ax files." quite some news this morning that pence is going to be stumping on the trail for kemp, not that surprising given you've seen kemp as a comfortable lead here. it is when you look back at video from january 4th, 2021 and pence was on the trail for david perdue in georgia. >> yeah, well, as you point out, kaitlan, he's jumping on a fast moving train. it is a pretty smart move for pence, but pence, as you know, pence has staked out this territory. he's decided -- you know, trump may blame kemp for georgia, he blames pence for losing the election, he thinks pence should have intervened. pence has embraced that decision and he's doubling down by going in for kemp. and he sees an opportunity to inflict a loss on trump and he's

looking forward to 2024 as well. >> again, mike pence knows that everyone is noticing this, david. not like mike pence is sneakily walking into georgia for this announcement. he knows it is going to make waves. >> yes. absolutely. no, i think there is a message here, there is a statement here, and there is a chance to inflict a loss on someone who may be a rival in 2024 in seeking the presidency. so the political logic of pence going in is very, very clear. >> yeah, totally. you see the poll numbers it is not that surprising. some of pence's own former staffers are working for kemp. i have a question about what is going to happen next tuesday in pennsylvania, because there has been a very fascinating primary playing out there. there are now concerns in the former president's orbit about kathy barnette who has been this rising far right star in this race, who really has come out of nowhere when you talk to people who have been watching this, paying attention closely and not a lot known about her, but i

wonder what your view of what we could see happen on tuesday night is. >> yeah, this is a fascinating story because for many, many weeks, david mccormick and dr. oz have been battling each other in pennsylvania. oz being the president's choice. mccormick, former financier, the choice of regular republicans, and they both made very convincing arguments and opened up a path for a third candidate. that often happens in politics and here comes kathy barnette, someone who steve bannon describes as ultra maga. and she's running up the middle, and right now if you were betting, she's got as good a chance as anyone to win this primary. i think she's taken everyone by surprise here. and there is very little time to stop this train. >> yeah, it is interesting the former president put out a statement yesterday. he's backing mehmet oz, saying we don't know a lot about kathy

barnette, but also hedged his bets and says, but if she win, you know, that's great, and i'll back her 100%. that was very interesting there. >> yes. >> david, i want to ask you about our friend david gergen, who has got a book out, about how he wants to see leadership passed to the next generation. both republicans and democrats. he says he doesn't think that either donald trump or president joe biden should run again in 2024. i want to focus on the part about president biden because that's interesting. you don't see incumbent presidents not run for re-election anymore. what do you think of david's assessment there? do you think that for the good of the party and the good of the country that the president shouldn't run? >> look, david served four presidents. i sat in the office next to a president for two years. and we both know how crushingly demanding that job is. and so it is -- age was an issue

in 2020. it certainly would be in 2024 if the president asks the country to allow him to serve until a period when he would be closer to his 90s than his 80s. this is going to be a question. but that's only a question that he can resolve. i think for the democratic party, the dilemma is when will he resolve it, because if the president follows his normal pattern and makes this decision late, perhaps as late as the fall of 2023, it really doesn't leave much time for other candidates to emerge and it will change the nature of any primary for 2024. so i think there are a lot of democrats who are going to feel tense as the year goes on and he reserves the option. so, there will be a lot of pressure on him to make a decision. >> and, david, this isn't just a conversation that critics of president biden have, it is one his own aides have, some of his most loyal allies, part of

reality. i wonder, you're saying if he's not going to run for re-election, which is pretty hard for a lot of people in the west wing right now to imagine happening, when do you think would be a good time, you're saying he shouldn't wait, when do you think that would be the best time for him to make that announcement? >> for the democratic party, and maybe for the country, early in 2023 would be optimal because that would allow candidates who aren't necessarily well known to put a campaign together, and make their case to the country. if he does it in the fall, it really reserves the race to the vice president and others who have run before or celebrities or billionaires and because there is not much time between september and when the voting begins in early 2024. so i think it would be important for him to make his intentions clear early. but, you know, he's always set, kaitlan, you reported this many times, if i feel like i can do it, then i will run. so that is -- that would be an

argument for going late. and i think he set up the predicate for going late. he's also said if trump runs, i'll run. and there are a lot of people saying you beat trump once, you can beat him again. i think there will be a lot of drama surrounding this decision well into 2023. >> lyndon johnson was the last president who could have run for re-election that didn't and he didn't decide until march of 1968. that would be very late in the cycle. david axelrod, great to see you. >> great to see you guys. thank you. all right, moments ago, the funeral for a slain journalist turns violent. as you can see, israeli police using batons to beat back the crowds that were carrying the coffin. we're live in jerusalem next. we're also live outside a courthouse in kyiv where the first trial for russian war crimes against ukrainian civilians is getting under way. for that man, right there. welcome to your world. your why.

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police using batons to beat crowds carrying the coffin of the al jazeera journalist shireen abu akleh as thousands gathered for her funeral procession. cnn's atika shubert is live in jerusalem. what can you tell us about what you're seeing on the ground there this morning. >> reporter: yeah, i'm actually at mount zion cemetery and the funeral procession has just arrived. i'll spin the camera over here a little bit so you can see the coffin now being carried of shireen abu akleh and you can see there, so many people have come here today to grieve for her, to mourn her, and to show their respects and solidarity for her and her work. it has been a very tense, very emotional day, thousands of people, thousands of palestinians have come out to show their support of her.

we were earlier at st. joseph's hospital where her body was being prepared and where her family was waiting. they had hoped to have the funeral from there, walking them to -- walking to the church and then here, but israeli police did not allow it. and when they tried to do that, israeli police moved in with tear gas and flash grenades to disperse the mourners, attacking at one point the paul bearers carrying the coffin and the coffin nearly fell. it was a tense situation. the family stepped in and took the decision not to do the funeral procession from there and there the israeli police backed out of the hospital grounds, did pin several people in, but the family was allowed to come out and have the funeral procession go on. you're seeing the thousands of people that have come to join in mourning shireen and so they're streaming in from the old city

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safely, so, yeah, big kudos to them. normally these situations have much worse outcomes. >> big kudos, understatement. let me play the audio, some of the first audio from where the air traffic controllers begin to guide this passenger. listen. >> what is the situation with the pilot? >> he is incoherent. he's out. >> 311 delta roger. trying to hold the wings level and see if you can start descending for me. push forward on the controls and descend at a very slow rate. >> all right. try to hold the wings level and descend at a slow rate. what does that look like? >> so for us in the aircraft here, this is the same display setup that that aircraft would have had, it is a garmin g 1,000. it paints a blue sky, and a brown ground. this is the horizon. where it is right now, that would be wings level.

if we were to bank, you see those shift over. and then we would be holding the yoke. it would be about here, while you're flying along. to descend, you would push forward gently on it and it would show a descent on the screen for you. >> holding the wings level means what? where you holding on it that wheel and how are you keeping it level if you've never flown a plane before? >> well, it is kind of like a car going down the interstate, if you will. once it is going down, you -- it is just light pressure on the wheel to make any major changes to it. so the pilot would have been flying, the aircraft would have been trimmed out and set up to fly and cruise. you really wouldn't need much pressure to move even this amount of pressure will keep it level or change your direction. >> and if you weren't flying level, if all of a sudden you weren't level, how would you know if you're a novice? >> if it is a beautiful day, you can look outside, you see you're descending rapidly. you could see the aircraft is

pitching down, you would see brown almost. these markings are degrees and pitch for up or down. the aircraft would start letting you know you're sinking too fast, it will tell you to start pulling up. it will let you know you need to start making some changes. >> so imagine, you know, you're sitting in a cockpit for the first time there, looking at all these instruments, looking out the windows for the first time, explain to us what you're seeing in front of you. >> so you would have your whole display set up here. you have your power and out in front of you, they're flying and seeing the coast of florida at that point. and then when it pitched over, you would be probably looking straight at the ground. that's a sharp descent it went into. >> how are you -- the most amazing thing we understand isn't so much the passenger aable to keep the plane in the air, the passenger was able to land it safely. so walk me through what this

passenger is seeing, and how he is taking the plane down to that runway. >> yeah, well, thankfully the -- i believe morgan was the controller was a certified flight instructor. that puts him in a good spot to coach somebody. your job is to take someone who have no flying experience and help them operate an aircraft. the more you push it forward, the faster you're going to go. as you pull it back, you'll slow the aircraft down. it is very similar to how a boat would operate in that sense or any other vehicle. so as you get down to the runway, he was coaching him through reducing the power, and applying more back pressure to the yoke. and basically you're trying to keep the nose gear up so you don't wheelbarrow it into the ground and he did a phenomenal job of coaching him through that. it was a very good landing. >> if you are the pilot/passenger/beginner, what are you looking at there? the ground?

the instruments? >> primarily you're looking outside. you're trying to get a feel using your peripheral vision of how much -- how rapidly you're sinking to the ground. if you -- you look out, you look out the wind screen, coming down too fast, you hit the ground an get picked back up into it. if you're notsinking at all, landing is done by looking outside the air crave. he would have been looking outside the aircraft as the air traffic controller talked him through everything. >> the biggest question was, he didn't know how to turn the plane off. where is the switch? >> right here. so this is your mixture -- sorry, not your mixture, but condition lever. it would be up here in high idle for flight, low idle on the ground and take this and pull up straight aft and that shuts the fuel off to the engine. >> you make it look so eaeasy. i know it is not. thank you for explaining it to us. appreciate it. >> yeah. >> thank you for having me.

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