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candidate. >> appreciate the reporting. you can also listen to the podcast. download "inside politics" wherever you get your podcasts. hope you have a peaceful weekend. hello, everyone. zelenskyy in an interview says he is ready to meet with vladimir putin one on one. however, he also said the starting point for any discussion should be a complete withdrawal of russian forces from ukraine. this comes as ukraine's military continues its counter offensive against russian fighters pushing them from the areas around kharkiv. ukraine's second largest city. russian forces appear to have blown up three bridges vital to ukraine's success as seen here on these new satellite images.
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pu put the kremlin is calling it a threat and warns of retaliation. this all comes the same day as u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin spoke to his russian counter part. it was their first call in almost three months since before the invasion. and also today, ukraine began its first war crimes trial. a 21-year-old russian soldier is accused of murdering an unarmed civilian. melissa bell is at the courthouse in kyiv. melissa, they say russia has committed more than 11,000 war crimes so far. how significant is this first trial? >> i think what's so significant about this is that it's taking place even while the war rages on. that's what's extraordinary. since war crimes have been prosecuted as an international level, teams are trying to
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gather evidence. the war crimes, both the ones that relate to russia's aggression to begin with, that will judge whether the war has been just under international law at the international criminal court, but also looking at the alleged war crimes against individual russian soldiers. the international trials are still to come, but they will take time. that's what the gathering of evidence is about. what ukraine's chief prosecutor said is the gathering of evidence by the international teams has been essential to allowing her to get ukrainian justices to begin looking at the war crimes in the context of a civilian court. and she says that she wants ukraine to show that the war, the way war is waged can change. because by prosecuting crimes as the war goes on, this means russian soldiers are going to think twice about how they prosecute the rest of the war. have a listen to what she told us earlier today. >> these now can save lives of all ukrainian civilians on the
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south and eastern part of ukraine. because these perpetrators who are now fighting will see that we will fight all of them. we will identify all of them. and we will start to prosecute all of them. >> now, she told us that she believes that ukrainian justice will be transparent. it's basing itself on the facts uncovered by investigative teams. we spoke also to the defense attorney for the young man, the 21-year-old whose preliminary hearing was today in kyiv. he said he has confidence in the ukrainian justice system. this matters. the point about the way the war is prosecuted matters. until now because international law has been slow, wars have taken place, then crimes prosecuted. this time she says with the fighting in the east, like in donetsk where civilians are carrying in basements as
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ukrainian is try to force out russian forces. it will affect them as they try to stick to what they believe they can defend. she thinks this can be a lesson to the world. and a return to the sense of humanity and the respecting of laws even in the middle of the war. >> yeah. really interesting this trial is taking place in realtime as the war progresses there. melissa bell, thank you. now to a notable development out of sweden. the government there today paving the way for the application to join nato. neighboring finland is expected to propose joining the alliance as soon as sunday. this morning president biden spoke to leaders of both countries. nic robertson is in helsinki. a surprise in the form of a potential holdup from erdogan. he indicated he's not in support of finland and sweden becoming nato members. how big a setback could this be since nato requires unanimous
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consent for expansion? >> it probably will be a wrinkle. i think when you're dealing with president erdogan and turkey, certainly nato has a lot of experience. he's a bit of a wild card. he was the one that went out and bought the russian surface to air missile systems that are with the bounds of how nato operates that you just don't buy equipment from russia for a start. and that stopped him getting the u.s.-made fighter jets. that's erdogan. that's what you're doling with. he said he's looked at what they're doing and he doesn't feel comfortable about it. what we've heard from the swedish foreign minister, she said i haven't heard this directly from the turkish officials myself, and she said we're going to be in berlin at the weekend. the nato foreign ministers are meeting in werlen at the weekend. the swedish and finish foreign ministers are both invited there, and they do expect to have a conversation with a turkish foreign minister while they're there. you know, how the secretary
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general of nato wrangles this isn't clear. when you're look agent this as well, when you watch what erdogan says, he's playing to domestic constituency to nato for leverage for what he may want to get. he says the sweets have homes for terror organizers. he's talking about the kurdish separatists. you know, who won a chunk of turkey. some of them live in sweden. that's what he's talking about. is there a quid pro quo? and on top of that, when erdogan speaks, he's also speaking to russia. he's signaling to putin that he's not happy with this move. and he also wants this to be the mediator between russia and ukraine at the moment. so i think with erdogan, there's a bunch of stuff going on. it's a wrinkle, at this moment it seems it can be worked out. >> a wild card. he's also been providing ukraine with those really effective drones that they've been using against russian forces throughout this war as well. nic robertson, thank you as
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always. well, american basketball player brittney griner will stay in russian custody for another month. russian state news agency says the arrest has been extended since june 18th. she was arrested in february and accused of smuggling hashish oil. what more are we hearing from russian officials and why are they prolonging this until next month? >> it's an interesting development. the wwnba said they saw this coming. will we get to a trial or will we see her potentially be returned to the united states before that happens? that's one of the key questions. as you said, that russian state media reporting that extension of her detention there. we understand based on information from the spokesperson at the state department that a consular officer had an opportunity to even speak with the player earlier today during the court
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hearing. it was very sidelined conversation that the officer had with brittney griner. during the time, one of the key points or key take away is she seemed to be doing as well as can be expected. obviously given the exceedingly difficult circumstances, she has been in custody for three months. let's look back at how we got to this point. you recall greiner was initially arrested february 17th. cannabis oil was found in her luggage after landing in moscow. she was charged with smuggling narcotics. faces up to ten years if convicted. one of the significant developments last week when the biden administration escalated their response, stating the 31-year-old basketball player was, quote, wrongfully detained. and that, then, resulted in the case being forwarded to the special envoy for hostage affairs. and these were -- this was the same interagency that was largely responsible for the safe return of trevor reed not too long ago.
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they're hopeful that will be following a similar direction here when it comes to this case. as for russia's foreign ministry, they maintain this is based on objective facts and evidence, and they say she broke the law. it will be interesting to see how this plays out. and then when you hear from her support system including her family, obviously the wnba, they have been concerned she would be used as a political pawn as the tensions continue between the united states and russia. >> her family and friends just desperate to get her home as soon as possible. polo continues to cover the story. thank you. in washington two major intelligence failures have prompted a sweeping internal review. there's a self-audit after crucial miscalculations in the past year. in afghanistan severely overestimating the government's ability to fight off the taliban and now in ukraine, underestimating the ukrainian's ability to fight off a russian invasion. we are tracking this all. natasha, let's isolate ukraine.
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i think there's no denying the u.s. assessment of afghan fighters was wrong. but just this week, the head of the defense intelligence agency testified that he believed that intel agencies have done a great job in ukraine. so was he speaking off message there? >> well, we have to separate this into two separate assessments. the intelligence community was actually pretty spot on in their assessments that russia was planning an attack against ukraine. that was something they had been predicting for months and months leading up to the invasion. they believe that russia was massing troops at the border because they intended to launch an invasion of ukraine. they got that right and that's what largely the lieutenant general was referring to. there's another aspect of this which is important as well. how long can ukrainians hold out against the russians given this attack? and what they predicted largely broadly been the ic is that they would not last very long.
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that kyiv, the capital city could fall within three to four days. that's what one assessment found. they did not believe that the ukrainians really stood a fighting chance against the russians who had a bigger army who has a lot more man power, more sophisticated weaponry, and that, of course, according to some critics and particularly senator angus king, was really catastrophic for the united states' ability to respond effectively to the russian onslaught and to arm and prepare the ukrainians earlier for the russian attack. he says that had they known that the ukrainians actually stood a fighting chance here, that they could repel the russians as effectively as they did. then maybe things would have been done differently. >> and to be fair, other european intel agencies also were of the mind that this would have been a few days at most in terms of russia being able to conquer kyiv. they were proven wrong. we've learned there was one office in the u.s. intelligence
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that accurately predicted how effective ukraine's resistance would be. tell us about that office. >> this is interesting. this is the state department's bureau of intelligence and research. it's a small intelligence arm of the state department, and they were actually a lot more optimistic about the ukrainian's ability to resist a russian invasion. they predicted that ukraine would not fall in a matter of three or four days and the ukrainian will to fight would be stronger than other agencies or assessing at the time. they also were more confident that the russians would launch a whole scale invasion on other agencies. the department focuses on different things. they focus less on the pure data driven hard numbers on paper kind of assessment like, for example, the defense department does and the cia does. and more on kind of historical and cultural context and making these assessments. that's really important when you're assessing something like will to fight. because, of course, that is an art we're told and not the
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science. >> yeah. well, we'll be playing much closer attention to the agency going forward. natasha, thank you as always. a scramble to get baby formula back on store shelves. the prices keep getting worse. in congress, they are investigating. we'll have more on what the white house might be up nec. plus deal or no deal. elon musk's twitter takeover is on hold for now at least. why the billionaire is hitting the pause button. [bacon sizzles] ♪ [electronic music plays] ♪ [bacon sizzles] ♪ [electronic music plays] ] ♪ woo! you see, son, with a little elbow grease, you can do just about anything. thanks, dad. that's right, robert.
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nationwide and congress is getting involved. pressure is mounting inspect. people want to know how did it end up getting to this point of near crisis, and what is the fastest way to fix it? >> so this shortage started about six months ago. we didn't hear much. but there were shortages because of supply chain issues. in the beginning it was maybe 17% of the product was off the shelf. it wasn't as big of a deal. but then it got worse and worse. and then there was the recall that happened in january of similac products. these are just some of the similac products that have been recalled. and there were just lots of these that were recalled. not necessarily all of it. there were even more products than what we're see showing you here. that's caused huge shortages. 43% nationwide. let's look in these eight metropolitan areas according to data assembly, they have more than 50% out of stock rates.
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what that means is that more than 50% of the stock is missing. you can see that some parts out u.s. are really being especially hard hit. as far as what can be done to fix this, abbott says they have air shipped millions of cans of formula from a plant in ireland. and they also say they've taken a plant in the u.s. that is still up and operating, taken some of the lines away from other products and dedicated them to infant formula. the white house says they're working with abbott and other manufacturers who increase supply and also, they're working to try to open up the plant in michigan that's been closed, but that's not going to happen any time soon, even if that were to happen, let's say two weeks from now which is an optimistic date, it would still take six to eight weeks for that to get up and running and get products on shelves. >> six to eight weeks is not nearly enough time now to get this problem resolved for so many parents. let's break down the dos and
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don'ts for parents right now. dr. elizabeth murray is a pediatric emergency medicine physician. thank you for joining us. this important story, parents are anxious. first, you are the parent of an infant right now. if you're a parent of an infant, you're struggling to find formula. what are some safe options you have out there? >> yeah. it is a tough time for parents. and we certainly understand that. parenting is the hardest, most scary job any of us are going to ever have. first and foremost, if you have questions or concerns, reach out to your child's physician. we know there are regions of the country harder hit than other regions. so pediatricians really have a good finger on the pulse of what's happening in their community, and so many doctors have created cheat sheets for families meaning if you normally use this formula, these are safe exchanges. your pediatrician is going to have a lot of information for you and guide you through safe switches. there are a lot of options for most families? >> but not that many companies are actually manufacturing baby
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food and baby formula, and switching formulas, as you know, and brands, is easier for some babies than others. what about infants who need a specialty formula like ones with allergies or rejecting the formula they're trying? >> yes. there are two major manufacturers, and this situation one manufacturer has been harder hit, the abbott line. more so than the other. there's a handful of smaller manufacturers out there. the good news is since there's two major companies that make formula, they've always been competing with each other, meaning if one company produces a new type of formula, that other company is going to catch up and produce the same thing just with a different name. so there are element um equivalents made by the other manufacturers that are perfectly safe to switch and use. any time your child is needing a highly specialized formula due to a medical condition or followed by a special itself, states they need a special formula, talk to the doctor about your switch. but there are options available.
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it's scarier for the families but we can find solutions for them. >> so important. the doctor should be your first call. when it comes to people trying to make homemade formulas, you say no. why is this so dangerous? >> yeah. the babies, especially the younger newborn infants, their bodies are not designed to tolerate a lot of variability, and they are also at greater risk for infections from germs that don't bother older kids and adults. the sterilizing and production of the formula is critically important, and the ratios of the fats and proteins and sugars in that formula is also incredibly important. there are a lot of social media posts saying oh, no big deal. make it at home. but that really is just not a safe option. we do have abilities to get formula to most families. again, it's going to be a little bit of work for some families, but the make at home option is really not safe. >> such an important point there. as you heard, the shortage could go on for six to eight weeks.
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is it safe to use overseas options? >> if they are being manufactured by the same company and brought into the country under established protocols, then yes, it should be. i think it's great that there are strides being made by the government to improver it. but this is not going to be fixed overnight. this is not a time to stockpile formula, because that will just make it worse for all of the families out there. there is a slow trickle of supply coming in. it's not that the supply has been completely shut off. so while it's tempting to go out and buy two months of formula. if you can really just not do that, and buy what you need a week at a time, it's going to make it better for everybody. the improvements are coming. we will get out of this. it will take some time, but improvements are coming. >> and i'm just hearing our producers telling us the fda
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under a lot of pressure, will announce new plans starting next week to streamline the distribution of formula out there. clearly hearing the concern from parents across the country. doctor, thank you so much. we appreciate it. they say breaking up is hard to do. but in this case, it could be really, really pricey. elon musk says his twitter deal is on hold for now. but is there really a chance that he calls it all off? hey businesses! you all deserve something epic! so we're giving every business, our best deals on every iphone - including the hone 13 pro with 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserv it... like o's that re-opened! hi, we have an appointment. and every w business that just opened! like aromatherapy rugs! i'll take one in blue please! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing business customers
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as one analyst told me this morning, that would be like saying the dog ate your homework. this is not a ton of support in the market for this sort of reasoning. impossible to know musk's motivation. not a ton of support. it has people wondering is this really just a ploy to renegotiate the price of twitter? his offer was 54.20. it's trading closer to $40 this year. was this a play to renegotiate or to completely just walk away from the deal, but it has been an interesting morning to say the least. one lawyer i got off the phone with saying he's been doing this for 40 years and what does on hold mean? it's been a head scratcher not just for folks like you and me, people watching this play out, but people who do this day in and day out. >> he's playing by elon's rules. and we've seen a selloff since the initial offer in the markets. but he would be penalized if he walked away? >> right. the price tag is 1 billion.
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when i asked the lawyer could he simply walk away and pay the $1 billion, he is among the world's rimpest men. he said not so fast. he made a personal obligation, a legal obligation to commit his reasonable best efforts to get it done, saying you can't just blame it on the bots and walk away. it's not as simple as a the termination fee. >> and they've had management changes. two executives stepping down. great to meet you in person. welcome to cnn. thank you so much. misinformation on twitter and other social media sites played a major role in the response to the covid pandemic. there's 1 million deaths in the united states. questions linger about how many of the lives could have been saved by telling the truth. john avalon has a reality check. 1 million americans have officially died of covid. that number seems impossibly large. last try to put it in
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perspective. that's more americans than died during the civil war. that's more people that died than in the 1918 pandemic before the benefits of modern medicine let alone vaccines. "the new york times" pronounced it an incal cuable loss. now we've grown numb. there's a lot we don't know about the evolving virus. we know america's covid death toll did not need to be this high. we know that because dr. deborah birx told us. >> the first time we have an excuse, but there were about 10 0,000 deaths that came from that original surge. all of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially if we took the lessons we had learned
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from that moment and ensured we used them. >> instead, we politicized the pandemic, turning masks and vaccines into court culture war signifiers. trump shifted from denial to down playing the disease to hocking cures. he got covid and hid the fact he got the vaccine for months. his mouthpieces on right wing tv kept conveying the message. vaccines were a plot to take away freedom rather than save lives. >> what about the efficacy of the vaccine itself among adults in. >> there's almost as apartheid style open air hostage situation. >> the science shows the vaccine will not necessarily protect you. it's not protecting many people. >> there's nothing more antidemocratic, anti-freedom than pushing an experimental drug on americans against their will. >> now we can't deny that
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there's a real world cost to all those lives. covid demonstrated the disinformation and misinformation can be deadly. don't believe me? well, let's dig into the data. in the early days of the pandemic, deaths were concentrated in urban areas, primarily in blue states as this graph shows. there were no vaccines available. but by that fall, death rates in more rural red counties leapt ahead. you can see the sharp dropoff when vaccines became widely available in february and march of 2021. by that point some 500,000 people in america had already died of covid. but vaccine resistance was already dividing us along partisan lines. when the next wave hit in the next summer of 2021, you can see the majority of deaths came from counties that voted heavily for trump, because there were lower levels of vaccination. during the delta wave in the fall of '21, death rates and low vaccination counties were about
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six times as high compared to counties where 70% or more people were vaccinated. in february of this year, unvaccinated people 12 and up were 20 times more likely to die of covid than people who were both vaxed and boosted. and then there's this. through march at least 234,000 u.s. covid deaths could have been preventable just through primary vaccination. each of those is their own story. but many were victims of disinformation and misinformation at some level. swayed by fear-fuelled partisan lies about vaccination, and they paid for it with their own lives. that's a surreal tragedy. and it's not over yet, because even after a million dead, 37% of republicans still say they definitely won't get vaccinated compared to 15% of independents and 3% of democrats. and while the senate fights over whether to pay for a new roun of vaccines and boosters, we see a state like missouri try topaz a
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law that would stop pharmacists from telling their patients that quack cures do not work for covid. even when they've been clinically debunked. so the far on disinformation continues alongside the war on covid. they're interrelated. but with 1 million dead here at home, let's at least try to ensure that no more americans die because of a lie. and that's your reality check. >> powerful reality check at that. thank you, john avalon. did former president trump mishandle records?
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>> yeah. this will be all about state of mind and intent. now, in any federal crime, prosecutors have to prove what we call the elements. that's basically just the building blocks of that crime. you have to prove each one beyond a reasonable doubt. with this potential crime we're looking at four elements. first, the person was an official or employee of the united states. that one is easy and obvious. second of all, that the person removed documents without author authorization. obviously the documents were removed. they were in florida at m mar- mar-a-lago. third, that the documents contain classified information. all the reporting here is the documents did contain classified information, but then we get to the fourth one, the trickiest. knowledge. did the person act knowingly? did the a, know the documents had classified information, though they were acting without permission, without a legitimate basis to move the document. the actions are easy to prove, but the trick is getting inside
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the person's head, getting to the intent. >> that would require a lot of interviews as well. we know the former president spokesperson says president trump handled the documents perfectly. are they right when they say that? a president does have the power to declassify information when they are in office, don't they? >> well, whether the president handled these documents perfectly will be the question for doj, but yes, a president does have very broad almost unilateral power to declassify documents. you have to do it while you're president. you can't do it after the fact as a former president, but if i'm doj look agent the case, that's a key question. did the president, the former president, donald trump, declassify the documents at the time? presumably if he did so, there would be some record. a document, a memo, somebody's notes, perhaps an eyewitness. that's something i'm sure donl is going to be looking for. >> this is not the first
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investigation into the former president we've discussed. how long would this investigation take? you would imagine the allies are going to try to drag it out as long as possible. >> well, it wouldn't surprise me to see donald trump and his lawyers try to drag this out. this is different. this is not a congressional investigation. it could be easier to drag your feet on those. we've seen people over the last several months sort of casualty shrug off subpoenas and drag things out in court. this is a criminal investigation. these subpoenas are different. these are from a criminal grand jury. judges are more likely to uphold subpoenas in this scenario. so by and large, you can try to delay, but when you're under investigation by federal prosecutors by the united states department of justice, you are on doj's timeline. so they really control the timing here. >> so it's friday. dare to make a prediction as to the window of how long this investigation will last? >> well, this doj has moved very
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l liath war, surveillance and weapons and collateral damage and would limit friendly fire accidents. chad capper is a retired marine and brand manager at red cat holdings which supplied ten drones to ukraine and he joins me now. chad, welcome to the program. so these are hobby drones. what exactly is their impact? >> well, they're quite effective for a few reasons because they're inexpensive, easily sourced parts. a lot of the more expensive drones are harder to source right now. but they're also very nimble, quick, and they can get eyes in the sky and see what's coming very rapidly. >> so what exactly are they capable of doing? >> so the first thing, i guess, the most effective, is getting
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forward observation, so they know if something is coming, someone is coming, they can get an idea of the scope and how serious it is. >> you personally delivered these drones to ukraine. i know you were there just a few weeks ago. what is your takeaway from your experience there, and are the ukrainians getting the help that they need right now? >> they are getting help, and the reason that i went was i wanted to make sure that in the future, in subsequent donations and product that we provide or other people can provide, is actually serving the need. because right now there's a lot of people that want to help and fund and donate money or they might even want to donate product, but they don't know exactly what they need. and at this point in the war, they know exactly what they need and it's finding that and finding the equivalence to serve those needs that's important. >> do you know of any specific details as to how your drones
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were used, what impact they may have had on the russian military? >> i'm still waiting to hear back. i did want to get some media, i'm hoping that they can send video footage of how they were used so people can see. but i do know that there have been a number of uses planned for them, but the primary is, like i said, forward observation. also adjusting for fire, so if they are firing on a target, they can use the drones to see if they're on target and how far. >> well, this long into the war, we know that on an industrial scale from governments, whether it's the united states or turkey, that the drones have been very effective in pushing back the russians militarily. but now three months into the war, i'm just wondering are russians now able to catch up? are they tracking your drones specifically? >> that's a good question. so initially in the war there were a lot of dgi drones being
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used and those are trackable. they could see where they were launched from with precise grid coordinates and they would send a missile into that location. the hobby drones aren't trackable, not easily, definitely not that easily. >> what was your biggest takeaway in meeting with ukrainians there? were you able to talk to soldiers on the ground? what stood out to you? >> overall i've been asked this question a lot and i think it's really amazing, the ukrainians are just so dedicated to their country and to each other. it's amazingly inspirational, and i just -- i can't say it enough, they don't talk a lot of trash. they just do it. and it's really amazing. >> do you have any plans on traveling there again? >> yes, over the next couple of weeks. i don't want to give an exact timeframe, but, yes, i'm heading back over. >> i would imagine you'll be traveling with some drones to deliver.
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least eight states and washington, d.c. today the house oversight committee launched an investigation into what's causing this shortage. one factor was a february recall and shutdown of a key michigan factory that then created a domino effect, made even worse by pandemic supply chain problems. >> white house chief of staff ron klain told members of congress that the administration is strongly considering having president biden invoke the defense production act to ramp up supply. the fda says it is working around the clock and will announce plans to streamline the imports of formula next week. but the urgency is palpable for parents, who feel there is no immediate answer to such a basic and crucial question, how will i feed my baby. >> we have been having to look pretty heavily for it, i would say for the last four, five months. but this last month it's just become impossible to find. >> because mckenzie is


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