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howitzers sent. our guys know the price of our artillery. this is a high precision, effective weapons together to victory. u.s. defense official said that ukrainian artillery frustrating efforts to advance in the donbas. almost 20,000 soldiers are now dead. a number cnn can't confirm. he said six more settlements liberated in the past, 24 hours, more than a thousand since the war began. we have james clapper on the special phone call of 84 days in the making.
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top u.s. military leader talking finally again discussing the hour's long call of the state of the war. how ukrainian using official recognition technology on the battlefield and plus two russian journalists were able to defy the sensors, they were still alive to do it. we start with the preliminary hearing that could become a first in this war. a prosecution of an alleged russian war criminal even as the war goes on around it. melissa bell has the story. she warns you some of the images you are seeing are graphic. >> reporter: ukraine opens its first war crime trial. the 21-year-old vadim shishimarin accused of shooting an unarmed man. they include the massacre of 300
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unarmed civilians in bucha and the killings of many sicivilian of men and children in the two months long of kharkiv. >> we have commanders give orders of shots. from other side, we understand that ordinary soldiers have their own responsibility for these atrocities. >> reporter: that's a message that needs to be sent now so russian soldiers understand there will be no impunity even as the fighting in regions continue. evidence that will also be used by the international criminal court as it investigates both russia's overall aggression in ukraine and individual war crimes allegedly committed by russian soldiers which russia denies. >> they have to understand they
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can't use their army to invade another country and they can't use their army against sif civilians. >> for now in a small courthouse in kyiv that ukrainian justice will have a say. >> reporter: ukrainian lawyer said he had faith in the partiality of the country's judiciary and the court can be trusted to make a reason decision, he has yet to enter a plea. the kremlin spokesperson says he had no information of the case. the size of the media spoke to the interests and emotion v involved on all side. she felt no anger towards the 21 years old who could face life in jail. the tears of russian mothers are salty, too. >> from kyiv, melissa bell, you noted the prosecutor wanted to
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send a message so russian soldiers understand there will be no impunity. how unusual to have that kind of trial at this point during the war? >> reporter: it is difficult to find a single example because often war crimes are tried in another country and off the event. that's the point about international justice which is usually where it takes place and takes time to collect evidence. it happened many years after the war ended. ins war crimes prosecuted at the end of the second world war is that there is sense of impunity on the ground. during war, terrible things happen and teerrible things are done to other men. what she's saying, the prosecutor here in ukraine is saying if we can go through the ukrainian center and no one just a few weeks ago could have
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imagined the system the country would still be standing to such an extent that judiciary could function in a normal way. the reasons she wants to get through quickly and using all evidence collected by the foreign forensic teams gathering evidence here is that it sends an important message. we talked about all the settlements now being liberated and we find evidence of war crimes. she's saying the the russian soldiers, look, you will be brought to justice, that could change the nature of the war being prosecuted here all together. >> melissa bell, thank you. the u.s. intelligence is under going an intelligence review. how long ukraine i caians would able to fend off forces. the other failure, an
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overestimation is how long it would take the taliban to take over afghanistan. we are joined by a former director, retired lieutenant james clapper. i wonder what your reaction is to this internal intelligence, should there be a reassessment and how the u.s. goes about assessing the strengths of foreign military and perhaps the world t will to fight. ukrainians have the will to fight and afghan forces did not. >> you are exactly right. this what this war is down to is will to fight. and, we have never, to my knowledge done it very well. i say, we, as the government. going back to my war, '60s, we
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under estimated the viet congs and the vietnamese. again, in afghanistan and overestimated of the will to fight and under estimated the taliban. so we have done it again. the point is that, it is particular -- especially when your vision 20/20. this is the one lesson that the intel intelligence community, if you are going to make a prediction like this. i suggest it is extremely difficult. so, the assessment but caveat by saying once combat is joined, all bets are off.
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>> it is a hard thing to estimate because many people say that they want to fight in a particular country, you know, in iraq, there were plenty of people who would have said i am going to fight and die for sudan hassan. >> it is differ cicult to do th for one soldier and how one soldier is going to fight and led alone a soldier is apart of a unit. the intelligence community, if it had been easy, they would have figured it out a long time ago. it is not easy. i am not suggesting don't do the critique. i am interested in what led the
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state stdepartment, the bureau intelligence, would thought the ukrainians would put stiff resistance, it turns out they are right. i would look at that and say what led the state department to come to that conclusion. there could be some useful things coming. i am pointing out the difficulty of assessing the will to fight ahead of time. >> yeah, i read the "times" reporting on this, the outlier of the ukrainians' will to fight. a apparently, in iraq, they have been an outlier on that. what is that unit? is that in the world of intelligence, i imagine that's a relatively small one. >> you are exact ly right about your history and my fingerprints were on that is weapons of mass destruction of october of 2002.
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i was director of what was in the mapping intelligence agency. i participated in that meeting and again, the state department along with the department of energy, the senate, while the majority view. problem then was and it makes me wonder what happens here, that dissent was not prominently displayed in the text of the nie as a footnote. intelligence resources of the state department long been known as a group and i paid a lot attention as dni when they descend it. it is a small group but they assembled a capable group of analysts and they have a long standing reputation for that. >> really fascinating. retired lieutenant general james clapper, appreciate it.
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>> cnn sarah sidner has the details, we warn you some of what you are about to see is di t turning. >> reporter: inside this train is a gruesome sight. the bodies are stacked. every soldier who are stored here has committed a crime against ukraine he says. storing the bodies with the enemies lined by the rules of law set up by the geneva convention. >> reporter: the party must exchange the bodies of dead military, but, they have to try to identify the dead men, first. this is where the ministry of dig digital transformation comes in. >> we have identified about 300 cases, he said. they do it by using a myriad of
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t techniques. the most is facial recognition t technology. once they have a match, they go one step further, we send messages to their friends and relatives. >> these are gruesome photos of dead soldiers. why do you send them to the families in russia? >> there are two goals, one is to show the russians that there is a real war going on here, to show them they're not as strong as they are shown on tv and russians are really are dying here. the second goal is to give them the opportunity to pick up the bodies in ukraine. they do get responses from russian families. >> they're responding basically saying i will come and also take part in this war. >> reporter: 80% of the families' answers are, we'll come to ukraine and you deserve
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what's happening to you. what about that 20%? >> some of them say they are grateful and know about the situation and some would like to come and pick up the bodies. the technology is not being used on the dead, it is being used to identify russian soldiers who are alive. some of whom are being accused of war crimes. >> we have established the identity of one military man. we have a lot of materials, evidence this prosecutor says, this is a footage of the russian military man he's talking about. he says he was caught on video in belarus trying to sell items he had looted from ukrainian homes, but his alleged crimes go far beyond that. the soldiers is accused of taking part in the execution of four ukrainian men with their hands bound behind their backs. cnn obtained new video of the scenes before shots were fired. you can see what appeared to be soldiers standing around and a
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man on his knees on the ground to the right of them. prosecutors say the soldiers was identified by the technology and then by ukrainian citizens who said the soldiers tortured him after entering his home. we show these photos to the witnesses, they identified the specific person who was among the personnel who killed four people in this particular place. the end results of all their investigations they hoped will be a full record of what happened in ukraine, and the proof they need to prosecute those who committed crimes against its people. >> sarah, did any ukrainian officials you spoke with expressed guilts or concerns of sending dead bodies back to the families of russia. >> reporter: i am glad you asked me that. i did ask that question to the head of the ministry that's been sending these photos. the responses are pretty dark. the response is no.
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basically, look, they came here to fight with us and they came here to kill us. they made their choice and it is our duty to try to figure out who they are and this is one of the ways to do that. they are using this as a two-prong approach. one to try and identify these men and to try to alert the families of what happened to their loved ones and give them a chance to bury them at a later date and two, they're trying to use it to fight against propaganda. they are using the two-prong approach for every single person they are identifying. >> do they have concerns that the photos may galvanize people in russia further against ukraine? >> reporter: look, they're hearing that. he said 80% of the time, the people they talked to are angry, they say things like we are going to come over and kill you ourselves and we are happy this is happening to you and my son
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or father or husband is as hero. and so, theyre are certainly tht response from russia. from their sperspective in ukraine, this is what they had to do to identify the bodies and it is just one more prong of their approach so they're not going to stop doing it. they identified 300. as you know, there are thousands dead soldiers and some soldiers who is are still alive that they are looking through with this process. >> sarah sidner, i appreciate it. thank you. still to come, conversations with the two journalists who published antiwar articles on what supposed to be the biggest day of the year for vladimir putin. they were still alive to do it. we'll talk to both of them. a hotly contested senate contest in pennsylvania. the front runner in the democratic contest.
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i understand you both decided to do this around the same time, how did you come to that decision and why did you do this? >> because of the people who are dying right now in ukraine. because, you know, there is no good decisions for russians now.
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for the future of russia. >> you knew the risks you were taking, why did you decide to take this step? >> because i can not live like this anymore. i had another choice. i know about the consequences and the risk and everyone is suffering in ukraine. i suppose that's why. >> and did you know she was thinking about this as well. somehow did you guys connect about it? >> i didn't know, i had a plan.
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i can create sites like this. he gave me this job and i was grateful for this. so i came to him and i said that to him, i am going to do this plan and he said something l like -- i have something better. >> can you talk about the decision, the process that you went through. obviously, you know the risks and the danger to yourself and other colleagues and your family. can you talk about your decision
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making? >> what other choices do we have? it is just unbearable to see what's happening right now. >> and to you? >> the most difficult thing was to live with two lives in this period. when you are working as a difficult editor and thinking about ukraine, it is really difficult. it was a risk but still i agree with alesandra that there is no excuses.
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>> alesandra, how will you support yourself and what will you do now, do you know? >> i don't know. i do nothing right now and i don't know what to do in the future. i am just trying to wake up in the morning wait through the day, that's all i am doing right now. >> are you fearful? >> yes, of course. of course, i am fearful. i have many emotions in my life. >> yegor, do you have any regrets? >> no, no regrets. there is no excuses for doing nothing.
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there is no excuses for not to speak about this and for silence. there is no excuses just to live longer and think okay that's something that don't disturb me or something like that. i think people all over the world should do something and see what they can do and why they can't. >> aleksandra, what do you want to say to people? >> i think people inside russia can do something.
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>> many people were arrested. regular people don't have enough power or bravery to do such things, they can still do something. maybe donation to charity funds to your ukrainians or to help the ukrainian people who are now in russia but -- even small things are great. >> i really enjoy talking to you, very brave, thank you for talking with us. >> thank you. >> thanks. coming up, protesters outside supreme court justices'
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won't prosecute that. the chief justices and the united states have to continue to keep the courts functioning. paula reid on the challenge in the past that led him to this moment. >> we do not sit on opposite sides of an isle. we do not caucus in separate rooms. we do not serve one party or one interest. we serve one nation. >> reporter: chief justice john roberts appears to be the only route to a deal that preserves some nationwide right to abortion. roberts did not vote with fellow conservatives who signed onto a draft, opinion, reversing the 1973 roe v. wade decision. that draft and unprecedented league suggests that roberts lost control, a court he led for nearly 17 years.
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>> do you plan to investigate the league? >> reporter: the court is investigating the league and he calls the breach is appalling. he's worried that one bad apple tainted people's perception of the nation's highest court. on thursday, at a d.c. law school justice samuel alito authored the opinion did not address the draft but the students asked, how did the judges get along during these challenging times. alito dodged saying this is the subject i told myself i was not going to talk about today regarding, you know, given all the circumstances. we had a conference this morning and doing our work and heading towards the end of the term and also a frenetic time. we are getting our opinions out.
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roberts became and star and an advocate. president george bush nominated him to the supreme court. >> i believe democrats and republicans are alike. roberts laid out his view on the world of the judge. >> we make sure everybody plays bo by the rule. roberts led a 5-4 conservative lock. his first major clash with fellow conservative on the bench came 2012 when he cast the vote that saved obama's healthcare act and former president trump transformed the court with the appointment of justices gorsuch
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and amy kconey barrett. >> reporter: trump disparaged the judiciary and under cut roberts and his message of impartiality. >> this was an obama judge. >> reporter: prompting roberts of an unusual repute. we have a 6-3 super majority, roberts will have a tougher time convincing colleagues not to overturn roe v. wade, despite his argument about ignoring long standing precedents. >> we look at today's of perspective is going to be a long list of cases that we are going to say is wrongly decided. >> where does this go from here? >> reporter: this draft is not the final decision of the court.
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roberts could privately be writing alternative opinions and sharing it with some of the justices to see if they can possibly sign on. on monday, the court is expected to issue orders and opinions. it is highly unlikely they'll release this abortion opinion. all eyes will be on the justices the next month and a half as they finish out the term and the nation waits. >> thanks. ahead the fight for the control of the senate, the front runner in pennsylvania. the question is, will his politics help or hurt his chances? that's next. it's lawn season. and i need a lawn...quick. the fast way to bring it up to speed... scotts turf builder rapid grass. ♪ rad grass is a revolutionary mix of seed and fertilizer that will change the w you grow grass. it grows two times faster than seed alone for full, green grass in just weeks.
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shows us how even if their front runner wins the nomination, it could create a challenge for its own on the left. >> reporter: standing 6'8" tall in gym short and a hoodie, you would never assume john fetterman. the lieutenant governor is the heavy favorite to win here in swing state pennsylvania. >> we have to flip the seat. >> re >> reporter: that'll be tough for any democrats. 33% of voters saying president biden is going a good job. republicans are prepared to pour in millions of dollars airing attack ads tougher than the ones he faced from his own party. >> reporter: fetterman supported
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bernie sanders for president. >> he did say in 2021, i run as a progressive before it was cool to do so. >> reporter: republicans see his lead and started their attacks on issues like abortion, immigration and crimes. >> he wants to reduce jail time for murders. john fetterman, too dangerous for pennsylvania. >> reporter: you worked really hard, are you concerned that your record is going to come back to bite you? >> if it is, they can bring it on. >> reporter: do you think our border is adequately secure right now? >> i have always been an advocate for secure border and compassionate and common sense and immigration reform. >> reporter: let's talk about abortion for a second, do you support any restrictions on abortion? >> i don't. >> reporter: even in the third trimester. >> i believe the choice is
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for more than a month, but the rules are only getting more extreme. before, only positive-covid cases and close contacts were sent to quarantine facilities, like these. thousands of beds crammed together. or just camping on the floor. but now, entire apartment blocks are being forced out of their homes over just one positive covid case. sent to prison-like facilities, like these. this video shows shanghai residents arguing with police officers, who showed up to take them to quarantine after someone on their floor tested positive. the office says while spraying disinfectant, quote, it's he not that you can do whatever you want unless you are in america. this is china. don't ask us why. residents who have tested negative and are vaccinated and boosted are terrified of being rounded up. >> our neighbors don't want to go. none of us want to go. >> why? >> because we don't want to get
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covid! you are putting us in danger! you are endangering us! >> your cdc does not know how to run a country. if you want us to [ bleep ] die in china, to get covid and die because think this is the right way to make this go with other sick people. >> reporter: cnn cannot identify the speakers or authenticity of this call that went viral on chinese-social media. police have even kicked people's doors to pieces to take them to quarantine. some buildings are banned from placing any online orders, even food. chaos and fighting outside of this shanghai apartment. residents claimed they weren't given enough food. some of the covid workers, beating the residents to the ground. as outrage grows over new restrictions that crushed the last bit of freedom people had left, china's supreme leader, xi jinping, has vowed to double down on its zero-covid strategy, and punish anyone who doubts it.
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>> when we talk about the zero, um, covid strategy, we don't think that it's sustainable. >> reporter: the world health organization's chief comments were quickly censored in china, along with the desperation people have shared online. in china, zero covid has turned into an ideological campaign to show loyalty to the communist party. at least 31 cities in china are under full or partial lockdown, impacting up to 214 million people. turn turning cities into virtual prisons, all in the name of zero covid. >> selina, what about you? i know you have been in mainland china. what's your experience been like? >> i recently flew in this country from abroad so i have been covid tested, temperature checked downless times since i have gotten here. i can't turn on the a/c because they are worried about covid going through the vents. i can't open the door except to
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pick the three meals they provide every day. these measures may sound extreme, anderson, but this is the reality of zero-covid china. and the country stands alone in these extreme policies, as the rest of the world is learning to move on and live with covid. but in china right now, anyone who criticizes this policy -- even health experts and scientists -- are then immediately censored. critics say here, it is more post about politics than science and in shanghai, so many are manufacturer fearful of the covid-19 cloels than the virus itself. people caged in, indefinitely, were forcibly sent to quarantine and the fear is that this deepening repression is here to stay, anderson. >> so, wait. if you are in your apartment, you can't turn on the air condition because the government's concerned about covid coming in through the -- the air condition? >> exactly, anderson. i am actually in a government-quarantine hotel. so immediately off the airplane, i depgot another covid test ande bus took me two hours away to this quarantine hotel.
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...on netflix... ...prime video... ...starz... ...and hbo max! just say “watchathon” into your voice remote to add a channel or streaming service. why is vladimir putin trying to destroy ukraine and can he be stopped? a new cnn special report looks to experts for answers and analyzes russian president putin's motivations for invading ukraine. fareed zakaria's documentary "inside the mind of vladimir putin" airs this sunday 8:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. the news continues with don, let's turn it over to don and "don lemon tonight." >> anderson, thank you very much. this is "don lemon tonight" and we have got news on stories here
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and around the world. in ukraine, president volodymyr zelenskyy tonight saying russia has lost almost 27,000 soldiers in its unprovoked war. >> today, we can report only 200 downed russian aircraft. russia has not lost so many aircraft in decades and russia has lost almost 27,000 soldiers. >> need to tell you cnn cannot ip dependently confirm that number but it would be a stunning blow for russia. and just look at this. ukraine says it blew up a russian helicopter on snake island. famous for that now-classic russian warship go eff yourself exchange. that, as vladimir putin may be getting exactly what he doesn't want, meaning finland and poe ten shlly sweden moving closer to joining nato, amid fears of russian aggression and in the face of that, a warning from lloyd austin to all of russia urgently calling for immediate cease-fire in ukraine.
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