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again finding a way to do things. one thing they have not solved though that is crucial if ukraine's economy is to survive is fuel. gas station after gas station is empty. the ones that have fuel limit purposes to about 2 1/2 gallons a visit, and the lines we saw last week were hours long just for that much. many of the trucks waiting at the border, you see here, will refuel in poland. it was all trucks at the border waiting hours and days. when we got there this time, there were virtually no cars. everyone who has wanted to leave ukraine, who can leave ukraine, has gone. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. the evening rang especially hollow tonight. a little boy who just turned three this weekend is now two days into a lifetime without his dad. his father, andre mackneil, was shot and killed in a supermarket saturday picking up a surprise birthday cake for his son. he was murdered for the color of
his skin. on his son's 3rd birthday. ten people were killed saturday at tops friendly market in a racially motivated attack allegedly by an 18-year-old white man who is now in custody. wasn't even the only mass shooting this weekend. we have learned a lot about the alleged killer already. his background, prior red flags, the racist poison he apparently drew on and how widespread it sadly is, and we'll talk about all of it tonight, but we're not going to use his name or show his photo. he livestreamed the killings. he wants fame. we don't want to be part of giving him that. instead, we begin tonight by telling you what we know about those whose lives were stolen on saturday, like andre mackneil. by the way, he went everywhere, we're told, with his son. his fiancee said his little boy would follow his dad like a shadow. saturday she said today my baby was born, but today my soul mate was taken. how do i tell my son his daddy's not coming home? how do i as a mother make it
okay? someone please tell me because i really don't know. andre mackneil was 53. katherine massey was 72. she was known as kat. she was a community activist, a letter writer who cared a lot about her community and advocated for them and her city. a year ago, she wrote a letter to the editor of the buffalo news urging federal action to prevent shooting deaths. margus morrison was a school bus aide. he loved kids and they loved him back. he was a hero to his family and went out of his way to provide for his disabled mother. margus morrison died buying snacks for movie night with them. aaron salter jr., 55 years old, was a retired buffalo police lieutenant working as a store security guard. he died protecting shoppers, exchanging gunfire with the killer wearing body armor. geraldine talley's niece describes her aunt as the life of the party. an avid baker and the one who would always put family reunions
together. she was 62. ruth whitfield was 86 and the mother of a former buffalo fire commissioner. loved deeply by her family. pearl young was 77 and still serving as a substitute teacher in the buffalo public school system. she cared about kids that much. her family describes her as a drew pillar of the community. sell asteen cheney was a grandmother of six. she survived breast cancer and brain aneurysms before that. a fighter, says her grandson who tells us there was never a dull moment with her. she was always laughing, he said. spreading joy and love. roberta drury was only 32. her brother says she dedicated much of her time to helping him with his leukemia treatment and helping her family at the local restaurant they owned. she said she was a happy person who always tried to do the right thing. and 67-year-old heyward patterson was a taxi driver, a deacon at his church, his nephew says he took pride in helping people. someone who would give someone a free ride if they needed one. someone with a big heart. mr. patterson was shot can
killed helping a passenger outside the supermarket. joining us now, his close friend and a fellow church deacon, lenny lane. i appreciate you being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss and that we're talking under these circumstances. what do you want people to know about deacon heyward patterson? >> deacon heyward patterson was a giver. he was a lover of people. he loved his community. he loved his church. and he loved his family. and he was one of the ones who would go out of his way to make sure you were all right. he would go out of his way to make sure you was comfortcomfor. he would go out of the way to make sure you had a little more than he did. he was very diligent. he was very attentive. at the church, cleaning, mopping, sweeping, vacuuming,
very attentive to our pastor, pastor russell c. bell and first lady bell. he was one of the ones you would love to have around. you know, around you. he loved to sing. and one of the songs he always sung was one of the songs, he loved the old songs, troubled in my way. and that's one of the songs when you know, you think about it and how he sung it, he sung it with passion. he sung it with, you know what i mean, when you know that trouble's in the way, sometimes you have to, you know what i mean, you have to cry sometimes. you have to let god know, you know what i mean, you're feeling the pain, but at the same time, you know, he knows that god is yet still in control. at the same time, deacon heyward patterson is one that, you know, was a class act. you know what i mean? every time you see him, he was dressed very well. and when he did it, he made sure that he honored those people that he loved the most, and that was his family and those were the ones he carried around doing
transportation in front of the tops. >> i understand when the shooting happened, he was actually loading groceries into his car for someone he had driven to the market when it happened. so he was helping them get the groceries into the car. he regularly volunteered to drive people to and from tops market to pick up groceries for years. is that right? >> absolutely. and that's what he did. he loved, you know, doing that. he loves taking care of people. you know, to the supermarket and from the supermarket. you know, he would wait for them. he would sit in the car patiently, and he was the one that, you know what i mean, didn't make a difference how far he had to go, close or far, he wanted to make sure that they got home with their fwrgrocerie because being the only supermarket in the area, some of these families traveled three and four miles. and he -- they knew they could trust him. they loved his car. he kept a great car.
and he was one of the ones that you could count on when they had bags of groceries to take home. and he loved his family. >> he also had a 12-year-old son, two adult daughters. i mean, for a 12-year-old son who now faces life without their dad, it's just unthinkable. >> it's horrible. it's just unimaginable that something like this can happen, that someone can come here from, you know, three hours, four hours away and come back and snatch those that we love. and it hurts. and this community is broken, you know, for all the victims who lost their lives. and you know, to say that we want to make sure that we stand with this family. we want to stand with his son, with the ones he loved, and let them know that your father, i look at your father, even in doing that, he was a hero. he was one of the ones that would stand in the way of whomever, you know, trying to
get in anyone's way. he was a protector. he was a provider. not only for his family but for the community. and he would be sorely missed, you know, in the community and at our church where he generously loved working for the pastor and first lady and made sure that they was taken care of. at our church. >> i know you have been serving food to people in the community today and helping people out. lenny lane, i really appreciate you taking the time to speak with us, and again, our condolences and i wish you the best. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> more now on what we have bun learning about the man who took the life of heyward patterson and nine others. brian todd has the latest. >> this was a straight-up hate crime, pure evil. >> tonight, police revealing details about the meticulous planning that went into the massacre of ten people at a
buffalo store. and how it could have been worse. >> he had plans had he gotten out of here to continue his rampage and continue shooting people. he had even spoken about possibly going to another store. >> the 18-year-old accused of murdering several people in the parking lot. he exchanged gunfire with a security guard and shot more people in the store before surrendering to police. >> he was very heavily armed. he had tactical gear, a tactical helmet on. he had a camera that he was livestreaming what he was doing. >> cnn obtained a 180-page statement attributed to the suspect, which was posted online just before the attack. the document's author says he was inspired after seeing a clip of another racially motivated attack in new zealand in 2019. where a gunman livestreamed his murder of 51 people at two mosques. the document details how the shooter has been radicalized by online message boards, describing the great replacement theory, which suggests the false belief that the white race is dying out. >> the n-word, which
unfortunately was carved into one of his weapons. clearly, he was bent on hate. >> cnn has obtained a photo of two other rifles the gunman brought to the scene that have writing on them, including the phrase, white lives matter. the shooting allegedly wrote he had chosen the buffalo store based on the racial makeup of its zip code and he had been serious about carrying out the attack since january. >> the individual was here a few months ago back in early march. >> he had been buying ammo, surplus military gear, and shooting irregularly and had mapped out the store intending to shoot all black people. the main gun, a bushmaster xm-15, was bought from this gun store before he illegally modified it. but according to "the new york times," he had no problem purchasing the weapon even after an incident at the susquehanna valley high school last june when he was a student there, on the honor roll, school documents show. >> the gun dealer was able to sell the weapons to this individual because there were no red flags that came up. >> a spokesperson for the school
district tells cnn the suspect was interviewed by police after he made an ominous reference to murder-suicide in a school project, although there was no threat. >> he stated a facility, i'm not sure if it was a hospital or a mental health facility for a day and a half. >> the gunman's neighbors didn't want to give their names. they're frustrated. >> something got missed. if he was flagged in high school, why didn't he get the mental health care he needed then? the system failed him that caused this tragedy to occur. >> they say the shooter was quiet and seemed like a normal teenager. >> then when they found out, they say i sure as hell hope he isn't from conklin, and then it turned out he was. and then turns out he's living on my street. so we were all totally shocked about this whole thing. >> the suspect is currently in custody and on suicide watch. >> he's in a segregated unit aside from the rest of the general population, and that's
for his safety. >> brian joins me now from the alleged gunman's neighborhood in conklin, new york. there's new information about the firearms this person had. >> that's right, anderson. the online diatribe that this gunman posted online has some detail, we're also getting detail from authorities. the authorities say he was able to purchase at least one of the firearms legally, the ar-15 that he actually used to kill people inside that store. but according to his own document, he also had a rifle and a shotgun in his car. the shotgun he claims he bought at a store in pennsylvania. the rifle was given to him by his father for christmas in 2020, and according to his own document, he planned to shoot other black people on the street with those two weapons in his car as he drove away from the supermarket after that attack. and all of this, anderson, he was able to procure these weapons despite what we mentioned in the mees, this
mental health episode he had in june of 2021, where he made an ominous reference to committing murder-suicide as part of a school project, and then he was given a mental health evaluation, was let go after about a day and a half. despite all of that, he was able to get these deadly weapons. >> what's so -- i mean, it's all so sickening, but that he was encouraged by the shooter in christchurch in new zealand several years ago who livestreamed his massacre. and that he wanted to essentially follow in that person's footsteps and chose to livestream this as well. i mean, he wanted to be famous in the community of sick individuals and racists who would praise what he had done. >> that's right, anderson. that makes it even more disturbing, and some of the video that he livestreamed we have been going through some of that, and he stopped at a
certain point and pointed his gun at one person in the video that we have gone through, and the person screams no, and he says, sorry, then he moves on. so you know, again, just the disturbing nature of all of this. the planning of it, the people he wanted to target, and maybe someone he came across that he didn't want to target. we're getting those details as we go. it's all horrifying. >> brian todd, appreciate it. >> next, the third ranking republican in the house answering allegations in the words of a fellow republican, she's tolerating or pushing the white replacement theory that inspired the shooter in buffalo. later, details of a mass shooting in a church in california that we're learning could have been far worse.
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and more controversial the question of whether that noegdz, white replacement theory, as it's called, is being tolerated or perpetuated by some on the political right. new york congresswoman and third ranking republican elise stefanik is accused of using replacement theory language in campaign ads. liz cheney, whose leadership job she took, tweeted today, the house gop leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy and anti-semitism. history taught us what starts with words ends in far worse. gop leaders. cheney says, must renounce and reject these views and those who hold them. republican congressman adam kin znger was more specific. we need to replace elise st stefanik @cawthornfornc, and others. the replacement theory they're pushing and tolerating is getting people killed. manu raju caught up with
congresswoman stefanik. what did she have to say? >> she rejected the criticism and defended her comments. this was in the aftermath of this week, focusing on ads in 2021 on her facebook page. she said radical democrats are planning their most aggressive move yet. their plan to grant amnesty to 11 million illegal immigrants who will overthrow our current electorate and create a permanent liberal majority in washington. that's gotten a lot of criticism including from the number two senate democrat today, dick durbin, who went to the senate floor and said she was oaechoin the likes of tucker carlson. when i asked stefanik about that, she pushed back. >> dick durbin today criticized your facebook ads, saying they were part of the fear, hate, and racism. >> i condemn racism.
on immigration, i support a secure border. i don't support allowing illegals to vote. >> you disavow this replacement theory? >> i never made a racist comment and i am known nationally as expanding the republican party by supporting black candidates and hispanic candidates. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> so yeah, the last exchange asking if she disavowed the replacement theory, she said she supports a broad tent republican party including with black members, hispanic members, but she has gotten criticism internally, including by don bacon, who said those comments put the party on thin ice, and he went on to say any time you suggest a whole group of people have a certain ideology, he said i don't think it's a good place to be, but anderson, some other members of the conference did defend elise stefanik, including one, jeff van drew, a republican from new jersey who had no issue
with what she said. >> appreciate it. more on the so-called replacement theory, its roots that go back generations and the new tendrils that seem to be espreading now. joining us is an assistant professor of american history at university of chicago and author of bring the war home, the white power movement and paramilitary in america. the shooter was focused on white replacement theory, which is a fringe conspiracy which has been a theme for tucker carlson and other prominent conservatives on television, on radio. how much responsibility do you put on public figures who traffic in these kind of ideas? >> the problem with replacement theory, anderson, is that it doesn't -- it becomes less important whether these mainstream politicians and pundits mean to be calling out the violent white power movement and the other activists on the militant right that will take this theory to its most violent conclusions. the problem is that whether or not that is their intention, that is what has happened.
so we're now in a moment of urgent need for condemnation of this from all corners of our mainstream civil society. this is a horrible act that belongs in a string of other horrible acts. we have to think about el paso and christchurch and charleston and the tree of life synagogue. all of these actions were carried out by the same white power movement. they're all idealogical. and the fact that there isn't a clear disavowel of these ideas is alarming to say the least. >> you talk about the mobilizing replacement theory. how do you mean? >> so replacement theory is the new sort of vogue phrase for -- by new, i mean since the 2010s for a set of ideas that has been in currency in the white power movement since the 1980s. and has been in and out of favor throughout our recent history as
a nation. the idea is much more focused on the thing that these activists would like to protect, which for extremists is the white birth rate and the reproductive capacity of white people in order to avoid racial extinction. and for people who are not on the fringe might hear something more like the violent defense of the idea that america is inherently a white nation, politically or culturally or otherwise. and sort of the defense of that against what they might think of as demographic threats like immigration. but the threat becomes less important than the active protection, especially when we get into the violent fringe, because this is the thing that escalates this idea set into a set of sort of apocalyptic emergencies. we see immigration rendered as a threat to these activists because they think it will overwhelm the white race with racial others. we see abortion rendered as a
threat to these activists because they think that reproductive freedom and women's rights will mean more white women out of the home and not having enough babies to maintain the birth rate. we see african american communities even distant ones in the case of buffalo, as a threat because they simply present a threat of interracial marriage and a threat to the white majority. and the white nation. so all of this together is a profoundly violent ideology. there should be no space for it anywhere in our mainstream discourse. >> it also seems like this one attack feeds on another attack. i mean, this -- excuse me, this shooter had 180-page incoherent rant, racist rant that clearly motivated by, as you mentioned, the christchurch shooter in new zealand who live streamed. one motivates the other. >> yeah, and in this case, it's not even just about motivates
the other. i ran part of it through a plagiarism detection software, i'm a cloej professor so i have one at my disposal, and large chunks of the buffalo document or the document attributed to the purported shooter in buffalo is lifted directly from the document attributed to the mass shooter in christchurch. >> really? >> yeah. >> you ran it through a plagiarism software program, and this guy basically lifted things from the christchurch shooter? >> yeah, absolutely. and so i mean, the next question to my mind is what is the purpose of a document like that? and in his discord, which i have not personally reviewed but other experts have been looking through, you know, there's talk about whether the document is a red herring meant to direct us away from his true intentions, but he does say that he believes in the racist sort of framing of that document. and the other part of that document that is very important
is the long section on tactics and target selection, gun selection, protective gear, assessing of the root, how the attack should be carried out. the hyperattention on details like that, which we also saw in christchurch and in el paso, shows that that document is meant to radicalize future violent actors and prepare them to carry out similar attacks. >> it's really -- i appreciates your expertise on this. thank you for joining us glrb up next, more on the buffalo attack. new details on the security guard at the supermarket who died trying to protect those in the store and likely saved others from losing their lives. skip the rinse with finish quantum. its activelift technology provides an unbeatable clean on 24 hour drieded-on stains. skip the rinse with finish to save our r water.
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to keeping the community safe. >> buffalo's mayor, byron brown, knew salter for years, back when salter was a buffalo police officer. >> i remember first meeting him through his parents, aaron and carol salter, very warm people. they had a business in the community. and i saw him as a loving son, always trying to take care of his parents. make sure his parents were okay. that's the kind of person that he was. he had a caring spirit and a desire to take care of other people. >> that desire helped salter rise through the ranks in the police department. he eventually became a lieutenant. his love of community and law enforcement was one of the reasons he went to work as a security guard at the tops supermarket after he retired from the force. saturday, armed only with a handgun, he engaged the shooter. >> he was shot at multiple times
by officer salter, a retired police officer, shot at him multiple times. and was on target with at least one of those rounds. he had heavy plated armor on. he had a tactical helmet on. >> law enforcement officials say it is clear he saved many lives. >> my daughter was crouched down in the front end for the entire shooting. >> his actions gave fragrance harris stanfield who works at the market with her daughter the time they needed to take cover. >> everyone started running at that point. i grabbed my daughter and kept running and kept running until i got all the way to the back door. >> those who knew salter say even though he retired from the force, he never stopped being a police officer. >> i think he would want to be remembered as someone who cared about his community, who cares about -- cared about his family, and someone that did his job and stood up when other people were in danger, trying to keep others
safe. >> salter was 55 years old. even though he was not a police officer at the time of his death, there is a movement in buffalo due to his actions to have him buried with a full formal funeral as if he was an active duty police officer. the mayor says he supports that. he simply is waiting to hear from the family to see what is best. anderson. >> jason carroll, appreciate it. joining me now is john flynn, the district attorney of erie county where buffalo is located. appreciate you being with us. this is still obviously an active investigation. can you tell us where things stand tonight, the kind of evidence your office is looking at? >> sure. we're looking at all the evidence that we have gathered so far, and we're looking at all the evidence that potentially is out there as well. as far as where things stand right now, we have a felony hearing that is scheduled for thursday. we had the arraignment on
saturday. and he is now going to be facing the murder in the first degree charge at that felony hearing on thursday at 9:30. >> how important is this 180-page racist rant that the shooter allegedly wrote? we just talked to a professor in our previous segment who ran it through a plagiarism software and found chunks tof were taken directly from the christchurch shooter in new zealand's racist rant. >> it's a very important piece of evidence, anderson. in the sense that it does two things. it provides us with information on his intent. one of the elements of the murder charge is the intent to kill multiple people. so the intent element that i have to prove now in my murder charge, you know, that manifesto is a potential source for that intent analysis.
secondly, it's important for looking at other crimes that he may have committed. so the way this is going to work is that i use that murder in the first degree charge kind of as my mechanism to get in the grand jury. and that will be the next step after thursday, will be the grand jury investigation. so i use that murder in the first degree charge to open the door for the grand jury for lack of a better phrase, and then when i get in the grand jury, i can then add on more charges potentially. again, i have to have the evidence obviously, but that manifesto and other pieces of evidence that we have gathered is important in the analysis that i'm going to go through to potentially add on more charges. >> the buffalo police commissioner said that the shooter had an additional target beyond the grocery store. was that the plan to shoot from the vehicle as he drove away or was that something else?
>> we're trying to determine that right now. we have that piece of evidence. i can confirm that, but you know, i can't specifically articulate to you right now what my analysis is of that. that would be unfair to my proceedings, but we are looking at that. and we are now using that to determine what may have been his next step. now, again, i obviously can't prosecute him on, you know, a crime that never occurred. again, assuming that the next step was a crime. but i can use that potentially in my intent analysis for the crime that i'm alleging that he did do. >> the livestream of this, that i assume is evidence as well. i mean, obviously. >> yeah, that's a very powerful piece of evidence, obviously.
you know, i have done hundreds of murder investigations and hundreds of homicide prosecutions as a d.a. and any time you have video, obviously, it's extremely helpful. so again, i don't want to comment specifically on like how it's helpful and what it shows, but i can kind of generally tell you that overall that's very helpful. >> john flynn, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> there's breaking news tied to another shooting this weekend, one at a church in california. what investigators are saying about the motivations of that suspected gunman next. how do you like learning at t home? i kind of don't like it. i kind of don't like it either.. i just want you to have everythihing. everything that you want in n life. ♪
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breaking news now in the investigation into another shooting that happened over the weekend. this one at a church in orange county, california, on sunday. investigators say the shooting that left at least one person dead and five others wounded was likely politically motivated. there are now details on how the suspected gunman carried out the attack. according to the orange county sheriff, he placed molotov cocktail like incendiary devices around the church and chained some doors closed and disabled some locks with super glue. stephanie elam has more details. >> i think we all feel a little less safe today. >> the shooting started after sunday church services had ended
for the irvine taiwanese presbyterian church in laguna woods, california. the suspect is a 68 year man who emigrated from china to the u.s. many years ago and was living in las vegas. the fbi opening of federal hate crimes investigation after officials discovered anti-taiwanese writings in his possession. >> within the vehicle, he left not a manifesto but some notes that supported what i shared with you earlier, that would be his really hatred of the taiwanese people. >> while it was unclear if he was at the earlier service, law enforcement says parishioners saw the suspect during the luncheon before he began shooting at the roughly 50 people gathered there. but officials say the gunman tried to prevent anyone from getting away. >> the suspect was able to secure the doors within the church with chains and tried to disable locks within the church with super glue. >> the sheriff said more ammunition along with explosive
devices were found at the scene. >> we located several bags within the facility. they contained magazines with additional ammo, four molotov cocktail like incendiary devices he had placed around the inside of the church. >> a local city council member with ties to the church spoke to one man who was in the church during the shooting. >> i heard from one of the congregant who told me that everyone was taking pictures with the pastor. it was a luncheon to welcome him back. and after the gunman started shooting, he was reloading his gun, and that was an opportunity for the pastor to strike him with a chair and everybody else tackled him. >> in all, six people were shot. one man was killed. 52-year-old physician john chiang. >> dr. chang is a hero in this incident. dr. cheng charged the suspect,
attempted to disarm him, which allowed other parishioners to then intercede, taking the suspect into custody. >> the sheriff says the bloodshed could have been far worse. >> without the actions of dr. cheng, it is no doubt that there would be numerous additional victims in this crime. >> but instead, those potential victims, mostly elderly taiwanese worshiper, fought back. >> we believe a group of churchgoers detained him and hog tied his legs with an extension cord and confiscated at least two weapons from him. >> they acted spontaneously, heroically, and if not for their quick action, the way this individual set up that environment to kill many more people, there would have been many, many more lives lost. >> stephanie elam joins me now. what more do we know about the charges the shooter is facing? >> right now, anderson, we know he's facing one felony count of murder and five felony counts of attempted murder.
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five states are holding primary elections tomorrow. idaho, kentucky, oregon, and a lot is at stake in pennsylvania and north carolina. nomination contests could play a big role in determining which party controls the senate next year. the leading state, john fedderman, just suffered a stroke days before the vote. and on the gop side, there's a late surge by candidate kathy barnett who pushed the big lie. chris wallace joins us with more. chris, it is great to have you on the program. what do you think is the most -- what race are you watching the most? >> oh, i think the pennsylvania senate race tomorrow. in fact, it's been generally regarded, the pennsylvania
senate race, as the democrats' best chance to flip a republican seat to their side, to the democratic side. pat toomey, the republican incumbent is retiring. it's an open seat in a state that joe biden won in 2020. and they're really a fascinating primary contest on both the republican and democratic side. >> fedderman, the stroke, we're told it's a mild stroke. he's still in the hospital. how is that going to affect it on the democratic side, do you think? >> well, it certainly doesn't help. he's not going to be able to -- h he wasn't able to campaign today. he's not going to be able to campaign tomorrow. on the other hand he's well in front of conor lamb, a congressman for the western part of the state. and to the degree you can believe political experts, fedderman is going to win despite the fact he's had this obvious health setback. he's an interesting candidate.
6'8", shaved head, walks around even in the middle of winter in basket bawl shorts, pretty liberal. if you're going to believe the political consultants, they have a better chance of flipping the seat with conor lamb, who's more moderate. fortunately, consultants don't choose candidates, the voters do. and they seem to be in favor of lieutenant governor john fedderman moving up to be their senate nominee in november. >> on the republican side, that race is fascinating. a lot of money thrown by oz and now he got the endorsement obviously of president trump. now you have this other candidate, barnett, who has not spent a lot of money as the other two, and is doing very well. >> that's right. everybody thought this was going to be a battle between two multimillionaires, dr. me met oz. he has the trump endorsement, the tv celebrity. david mccormick, a hedge fund
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it's going to be interesting to see. the consultants would say, in terms of trying to hold this republican seat, which is important if the republicans are going to take back the senate, that oz and mccormick would have a much better chance. but it's up to the voters. they may go for barnett. >> you also have madison cawthorn competing. he's also had a lot of issues, i guess you would say, lately, personal and political. the former president said today that cawthorn deserves a second chance. i guess he kind of stopped short of actually endorsing him. how do you see that race? >> well, it's cawthorn's to lose and he may just lose it. you've got the republican senator -- republican senator, his own party in north carolina, thom tillis, actively campaigning against cawthorn, saying that he's an embarrassment, he's a disaster. all kinds of things from getting in airports and being stopped by tsa with a loaded gun to claiming that he saw orgies with
cocaine and sex among senate house colleagues. it's his to lose, but he may lose it. >> also in pennsylvania, you have the candidate the former president has endorsed for governor, doug mastriano. the president is a late endorser on mastriano. >> yeah, this is in pennsylvania. he is very late. saturday. i guess he's trying to -- president trump to -- up his batting average. and it looks like mastriano is going to win. again, it's very interesting. if you were going to pick the political consultants, they would say former congressman lou bar let has a better chance of taking the seats from the democrats and hold the chair in pennsylvania. but it appears the voters like mastriano. mastriano was very involved in january 6th. he tried to do an audit of the pennsylvania vote. it's one of the reasons that trump likes him. but it's one of the reasons why some republicans are scared that he's too far to the right and might end up losing against the
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