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blunt warning. the president saying the hate and fear that has been allowed to fester in the united states is now threatening america's democracy as he made an emotional visit to buffalo to meet with the families who lost loved ones in the racist massacre over the weekend. >> plus, the truth is out there. and lawmakers want to get to the bottom of it, today, holding their first public hearing on ufos in decades. why lawmakers warn ufos pose a potential national security threat. >> leading this hour, it is primary day. the first polls are about to close in what is one of the most consequential days of the year. we're learning the leading democratic senate candidate john fetterman is about to get a pacemaker installed after suffering a stroke last week. jessica dean is live in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, following fetterman's campaign. a lot of health questions for fetterman in the closing days of the race. how is the campaign dealing with it? >> well, i just spoke with his campaign spokesperson just within the last 15 minutes, jake. he says that lieutenant governor
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fetterman is still undergoing that procedure. they expect him to be out shortly. he said they feel very blessed they had an outpouring of support and they feel like a lot of people have their backs right now. we learned 3:30 this afternoon eastern time, just about 90 minutes ago, this was happening. i'll read you the statement from the campaign. they said john fetterman is about to undergo a standard procedure to implant a pacemaker with a defibrillator. it should be a short procedure to help protect his heart and address the underlying cause of his stroke. atrial fibrillation by regulating his heart rate and rhythm. we were in lancaster yesterday, where the lieutenant governor is currently at the hospital, about a four-hour drive from pittsburgh. i spoke with his wife. she said he was doing well but their priority now is his health and their family and making sure he got the treatment he needed. i did ask the campaign just a few minutes ago how they were feeling. they said they feel pretty good
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about tonight in terms of politically, how things will be moving forward, but the bottom line is, jake, fetterman will not be there in person, and likely not even virtually to greet supporters. instead, that will fall to his wife, gisele, who i'm told is still expected to be here in pittsburgh to talk to supporters later tonight. he is the front-runner, is expected to win this race, but again, polls don't close here for several hours. but keeping an eye on lieutenant governor as he comes out of this procedure. >> obviously our well wishing are with him. on the republican side, a lot of hand wringing over the surprise surge of senate candidate kathy barnette. she has a record of quite controversial comments, discrimination against gay people, bigotry against muslims. how is her campaign feeling tonight? >> well, certainly, they feel very good about the surge that they have seen over the last several days. the last several weeks. just to give you kind of the bird's eye view here, of course, dr. mehmet oz who is a well known television doctor who was endorsed by former president
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trump and then dave mccormick, a former hedge fund ceo, who has also -- they have both been spending millions of dollars, millions and millions of dollars over the airwaves over the last several months. we have seen them go at each other both over the airwaves and also in their campaign stops and stump speeches. and as that happened, kathy barnette really creeped up and now she is surging right at the right time, during this republican primary. so it will be interesting to see how that all plays out and who will ultimately emerge victorious here in pennsylvania. it's whoever wins the most votes. there's not a 50.1 rule. so we'll certainly see how that all plays out tonight. >> former pennsylvanian jessica dean, thanks so much. >> turning to another big story this election day, the fate of scandal prone congressman madison caw torn. we're live in henderson, north carolina. a lot of republicans in north
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carolina and on capitol hill would be happy to see cawthorn lose his primary tonight. but unlike in pennsylvania, all he needs tonight to avoid a runoff is 30% of the vote plus one. >> yeah, that's right. so it's not enough just to be the top vote getter. he does have to get that 30% plus one. but there are seven other republican candidates running against him, so experts say that it is possible that just because of the sheer number of candidates and that fractured base here in district 11, cawthorn could come out even amidst all of the scandals that he has left over the year and a half he has been in congress, that is sort of the factor here. i spoke with madison cawthorn not too long ago today, and he said that he's feeling very confident that he's going to be able to avoid a runoff. if he doesn't get the 30%, then it would go to a runoff in late july. he thinks it may all end tonight. but of course, there's a lot of other factors that go into this,
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not least of which is the candidate's own behavior. that is why republicans across the state of north carolina, including u.s. nsenator thom tillis have sunk six figures and also their reputations on trying to unseat him. polls close at 7:30 in north carolina, jake. and at that point, we'll see if madison cawthorn will have awkward encounters if he in fact is still the republican nominee. >> all right, dianne gallagher, thank you. let's discuss this with david irvin. a cnn political commentator and he's supporting dave mccormick. we also have with us keisha lance bottoms, a former mayor of atlanta and cnn political comme commentator. david, you have worked on elections since 1997. republicans could very well nominate gubernatorial and senate nominees who you fear might be too risky to win in the general election. how concerned are you? >> jake, so you and i discussed this. pennsylvania is a purple state generally. when donald trump won in 2016,
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we won by about 50,000 votes and he lost by about 75,000 votes in the 2020 election. even in these big races the margins are razor thin. so i'm just concerned that the republican nominees will be too hot and too conservative for the general electorate. look, i'm for the most conservative person that can win in the general election, and i think that's dave mccormick. i think republicans across the state are nervous going into this election tonight. >> mayor bottoms, let's talk about the democratic front-runner, lieutenant governor john fetterman. he's right now undergoing what his campaign calls a standard procedure to install a pacemaker in his chest. that's a device that will help control his heartbeat following the stroke that he suffered last week. do you think this is going to have an impact on the election, on voters turning out for him? >> no, i don't think it will have an impact at all. he is going into this election day with 53%, i believe, is
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where he is with the polling. the closest person behind him, i believe, was at around 14%. so i do think that he will win. and i think that americans understand that pacemakers are very common. it's not common for a 52-year-old man to have a stroke, but now that we know what the issue is, and he is getting a pacemaker, i think that will give comfort to people. and i think it is great that he has been very open about what his health challenges have been. so the people of pennsylvania don't have to speculate about that. >> david, let's talk about david mccormick because as a fellow pennsylvanian, i have to say, like, he to me fits in generally speaking, into the mode of other republicans that have won state-wide election. and yet he's involved in a race with two candidates who are very unusual for pennsylvania.
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kathy barnette and dr. oz. neither of whom are traditional pennsylvania republicans. what's going on here? why is this such a race? >> jake, look, i think it's no surprise, donald trump is incredibly popular in the state of pennsylvania. his message resonates across the commonwealth, from beaver county to blare county to tiahogua county. >> among republicans. >> among republicans. so the party has shifted in that direction. i think, you know, dave espouse same traditional trump values, he's just a different messenger. i think you'll see here, i think the mccormick campaign is counting on all these undecided -- there was a huge amount of undecided vote, 20% undecided. the mccormick campaign is counting on all of the undecided votes to break in their favor. you have a lot of people going to the polls in the next few
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hours. when they go in there and have to pull the lever, they're going to gravitate back towards where they are normally, kind of in the middle of the road in pennsylvania. i think mccormick will pull it out at the end. >> we'll see. mayor bottoms, when fetterman's opponent, congressman conor lamb won the special election in 2018 in the pittsburgh area house seat, democrats thought they had a star in the ranks, but it looks as though pennsylvania democrats today are going to go with the more progressive campaign in fetterman. is this a sign of the direction the democratic party is going? >> well, fetterman is a tested candidate. he has served as lieutenant governor. he served as a mayor. and people, i think, really appreciate that he seems to be an authentic candidate. i was looking at his website. i saw one picture of him in a suit, and i think that gr grittiness really appeals to voters and what we know is that people are often moving away
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quite often from traditional candidates. they want someone more relatable, more authentic, and that seems to be what he's offering. >> yeah, he was in gym shorts a lot, even in the winter. dave and keisha lance bottoms, thank you so much. >> coming up next, troubling new details emerging of how the alleged gunman in the supermarket massacre spent months plotting his racist attack. >> plus, russia says hundreds of ukrainian fighters have surrendered to putin's forces at the sprawling steel plant in mariupol. what is russia saying about their future? power your business to do more. find the perfect solution for your business. wet dishes? spots? cloudy glasses? when detergent alone isn't enough... ...add finish jet dry 3 in 1. to dry, prevent spots, and protect glasses against cloudiness. the dishes aren't done without finish jet dry 3 in 1. if you wake up thinking about the market
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devastated by that racist massacre in buffalo over the weekend. >> white supremacy is a poison. it's been allowed to fester and grow right in front of our eyes. no more. i mean, no more. we need to say as clearly a forcefully as we can that the ideology of white supremacy has no place in america. none. >> this comes as we learn the al alleged gunman spent months planning for this attack and detailed all of his plans online. shimon, what are investigators learning from these online posts? >> well, as the president said, in talking about this poison, what they have found is that the hundreds of pages of documents and posts made by the alleged shooter, that he was consuming this poison that the president talked about. months and months and perhaps as long as a year, maybe even longer than a year, studying
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masshootings, studying white supremacists, and then he wrote about a lot of it. what they recently found was a social media post where he came here in march, police say, and where he drew maps of the supermarket, where he noted different exits were, and the people that were inside the supermarket. in the post on march 9th -- he encountered who was questioning him about what he was doing inside the supermarket. he also then the next day was back here and wrote on march 10th that he was going to have to kill the security guard. i hope he doesn't kill me or even hurt me instantly. of course, we know that the alleged shooter wore body armor, that the security guard tried to stop him. that he fired at him. he fired his weapon at him, but it had no effect because he was wearing the body armor.
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the mayor here and police officials calling that security guard a hero. but overall, jake, what investigators have been finding is certainly so disturbing and so troubling because of what the alleged shooter spent so much time reading about, that ultimately led him to become radicalized, they say, and then ultimately led to this shooting, jake. >> shimon prokupecz in buffalo for us. >> joining us, anthony barksdale, former acting baltimore police commissioner. also with us, phil mudd, cnn counterterrorism analyst and former fbi senior intelligence adviser. you heard shimon laying out new details about the suspected shooter's online posts. he wrote about visiting the grocery store in march. he said he thought about attacking a church or an elementary school instead. he documented all of this online. the secretary of homeland security says it's, quote, virtually impossible to monitor all of the threats on social media. what do you think?
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>> i think that when you have an individual who is committed to taking action like this, and they're self-documenting, they're not hiding. they're putting it out there, i completely disagree that something like this could not have been detected earlier. if not by the social media platform, then perhaps law enforcement, or maybe his parents. where are the parents at? so i disagree with that, and if you tell yourself it can't be done, then it won't be done. so i disagree. we could have done better here. in my opinion. >> phil, president biden forcefully calling out individuals on the right who have been pushing the so-called replacement -- white replacement theory, conspiracy theory, this nonsense that white americans, there's a conspiracy to replace whites with immigrants and minorities. take a listen to the president. >> the internet has radicalized angry, alienated, lost and isolated individuals into
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falsely believing that they will be replaced. that's the word, replaced. i condemn those who spread the lie for power, political gain, and for profit. >> how concerned are you about these racist conspiracy theories moving from the fringe to the mainstream? >> i think i would step back for a moment, jake, and think not just about white supremacy but think generally about human beings and validation. 25 years ago before the internet, if you want to be a white supremacist, you have got to physically interact with someone who validates you, by validation, that's a term we used to use at the fbi, by validation, that is interacting physically with somebody who says the views you have on black people are appropriate. let me step further back. if you want to abuse a child 25 years ago, you can't interact with somebody on the internet. you have to have somebody who physically says the abuse of a child is okay. what the president is talking
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about is appropriate because in the internet age, whether you're abusing a child or believing killing a black person is appropriate, on the internet, you can get somebody three counties away, three states away, in europe, in asia to say what you think is appropriate. validation is really important because psychologically, somebody like this needs to say it's okay for me to act, jake. >> commissioner barksdale, police say the suspected shooter was investigated last year for using the words murder-suicide on a school project. he wrote about this on social media, saying, quote, i got out of it because i stuck with the story that i was getting out of class and just stupidly wrote that down. that's the reason i believe i am still able to purchase guns. it was not a joke. i wrote that down because that's what i was planning to do. it's interesting that you have him there, this killer, recognizing that he was able to evade the state's red flag law just by simply lying. i mean, isn't this exactly who the red flag laws are for?
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>> it is who it's for, the red flag laws. but if the laws can be defeated, there's work to be done. this is the second time, there was the kid in michigan, where he is drawing on the desk, saying he's going to shoot people. teacher catches him and he says i'm just playing around here. yesterday, you started the show with an amazing quote by maya angelou. and there's another quote that she used that oprah winfrey says was one of the greatest that she learned from. when people show you who they are, believe them. they're telling us who they are. right now, and then even with contact with law enforcement, they're going right on ahead and killing people. and we have got a lot of victims because of not enough being done. so if we need to tighten up these red flag laws, then politicians, police, get to work. law enforcement, please get to work, because this can't continue. >> yeah, and i know, phil, you
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echo what commissioner barksdale said earlier about where are the parents? >> i agree. i would have a different view on red flag laws. look, i think they have been powerful tools for law enforcement. i think criti iical tools. if you're expecting state and local police or silicon valley 25 years ago to figure out what's in a kid's head and friends and family don't speak up, this kid bought weapons. he altered weapons. he bought and spent money as an 18-year-old on a vest. he checked websites and had a radicalization change over the course of months and years. and you expect someone in state and local police to find it. it's family and it's friends. see something, say something, jake. >> absolutely. thanks to both of you. >> coming up next, what russia is now saying they're going to do to the hundreds of ukrainians say they surrendered at the mariupol steel plant. stay with us. if anyone objects to this marriage...
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tank being salvaged by ukrainian troops. a few days ago, this was the scene on the edge of these woods. russian pontoon bridges under ukrainian artillery attack. the ukrainian commander with us casts an eye to the sky looking for russian drones. this is no place for complacency. ukraine and nato have claimed that russia suffered badly here. they estimate 70 to 80 vehicles destroyed and a whole russian battle group of 1,000 men mauled. >> we're at the edge of the area where the russian army was caught after it had crossed the pontoon river. there's a destroyed tank. next to it, an armored personnel carrier. if you look down the road here, got another armored personnel carrier. and another and another. the ukrainians were able, they say, due to their superior reconnaissance and intelligence, to work out where the russians were going to cross and then
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bring in devastating levels of artillery. and this is the result. this is only the edge of it. >> russia has now shifted its attacks elsewhere. at least for now. >> when you see this, how do you feel? >> super. great, i understand that our artillery is working and our troops are working too. because there was both artillery and ground fighting. the units in cooperation with other troops were pushing the enemy across the river on foot. >> shattered russian armor is scattered along this path through the woodland. on the ground, we can't move forward. the track is mined. a real disaster for the russians, but something that the ukrainians now are saying here that means that the pressure is off this particular front for now and that they believe that the russians are focusing more of their efforts elsewhere. ukrainian soldiers pick over the debris of this victory. but the chilling truth is that many of their comrades have ended up like this.
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and while this is a success in the grinding war for ukraine, russia remains an immediate threat. and they have asked us to get out of here with the military commander because they're worried our cars are going to attract attention and therefore attract incoming. this is an extremely active area. and one as it was for the russians that's a considerable relief to leave. now, jake, we mentioned there that the ukrainians believe there was extra pressure being brought to bear by the russians elsewhere. about ten miles to the east, that's exactly what happened. there was a pretty ferocious tank battle on the outskirts of that city. at least one person was killed in some kind of missile strike in the central part of the city, and a factory was set ablaze. that is because the russians have been trying to punch through these ukrainian defensive lines now for weeks. so far, without success, jake.
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>> sam kiley reporting from kramatorsk, thank you so much. appreciate it. joining us live to discuss, ian bremmer, the president of the eurasia group and author of a new book called the power of crisis, how three threats and our response will change the world. ian, thanks for joining us. vladimir putin undoubtedly sees today's apparent surrender in mariupol as a huge victory for russia, but as our last report showed, there have also been major setbacks for russia. putin's forces are behind schedule, they're pushed back in the kharkiv region by ukrainians. finland and sweden are racing toward nato membership. do you think there's any part of putin that regrets what he's done? >> yes, i do. i know when he's spoken to european leaders recently he has said mistakes have been made on all sides including russia. that's the first time i have heard that, frankly. so look, he's getting the news. he certainly understands how many russians are getting killed in the field. lord knows he knows that this
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war is not going to way he intended the special military operation, as he calls it, to go. even president lukashenko, one of his very few allies on the global stage, admitted last week to his people that it's taken a lot longer and hasn't been great. it's true that mariupol is important in the sense it allows the russians not only to mop up that town of 400,000 and move, redeploy the troops elsewhere. it also gives them that land bridge between the donbas and crimea. the fear, of course, is they're going to start actually annexing territory that they didn't hold before february 24th. that, of course, makes the prospects of any frozen conflict or negotiations a very, very distant prospect indeed. >> let's talk about your book. you write about the threat of the next global pandemic, the covid pandemic is hitting north korea for the first time that we know of. here's how human rights watch explained it. quote, north koreans have had almost no access to the covid vaccine and many are chronically malnourished leaving them with
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compromised immune systems. medicines of any kind of scarce in the country. the health care infrastructure is fragile, lacking medical supplies such as oxygen and other covid therapeutics. how bad do you think it's going to get in north korea and do you think that kim jong-un ultimately will allow outside help? >> jake, it's like they have refused the chinese vaccine. they don't think it's any good. the chinese have refused to license the american vaccines. it's like turtles all the way down. this is a global virus. it's -- covid hits every country around the world. and it's very obvious that the absence of international cooperation as well as the absence of cooperation inside the united states has made it a lot more expensive, a lot more painful for the world to effectively respond to. it's really sort of debilitating to watch the governments around the world just absolutely refuse to get out of their own way to follow the science on this issue. in north korea, i mean, given
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the fact they literally have no vaccines available, i think they're the only country other than eritrea that that is true, and they don't have the health care capacity, this is going to be really ugly for them. what worries me is usually when they have that kind of problem, they distract. usually a distraction is another missile test, maybe a nuclear test. i would be more worried about that in the coming weeks than any point in the last year. >> you're right that one of the emerging global threats is disruptive technology. you're talking about artificial technology. as you know, billionaire elon musk is making an on again/off again bid to take over twitter. do you think it matters who runs twitter? can the ceo be more disruptive than the social media product? >> look, it's very clear that we have a lot of technologies that affect both the anxiety level of human beings, the disinformation, whether or not economies work and cyber
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weapons, and even sort of how our political system functions. in the case of twitter, the person that runs twitter, i mean, they decided not because of a regulatory authority, but they decided to remove the sitting president of the united states from that platform. elon musk has made very clear if he ends up owning it, if he buys it, it doesn't look likely at this point, he would replatform president trump. so simply for that reason, this is a much more important decision in response to january 6th than anything the united states congress or the supreme court has possibly done. i think that's a pretty big deal. >> eurasia group president and author of the new book, the power of crisis, ian bremmer. thanks so much for joining us. best of luck with your book. >> coming up next, as republican candidates continue to push lies about the 2020 election, there is growing concern that trump supporters will try to overturn future elections. but they might be able to pull it off next time. stay with us. r. skip the rinse with finish quantum. its activeliftft technology provides an unbeatable clean
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in our politics lead, the first polls closing on this election night in less than an hour. on the ballots in all five states are candidates who have embraced election lies. there is real concern that trump supporters will try to overturn future elections and next time they might be able to pull it off. >> it was the 2020 trump team plan spelled out in the open just weeks before the january 6th insurrection. >> as we speak, today, an ultimate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and send those results up to congress. >> but that failed plan defined alternate electors and challenged certifying biden's win could have a better shot of working in 2024. >> according to a point and ascertain electors. >> that's the warning from jay
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michaelluding who advised pence to ignore trump's overtures and follow the votes as they have been case. now he's once again trying to make sure that doesn't happen. >> the former predhas been telling this to the world for the last year and a half, and the legislatures in the states are populating themselves with trump supporters in order they can exploit the elector act. >> he said there's a blueprint for ow he says members of his own party plan to execute successfully in 2024 the very same plan they failed in executing in 2020 and to overturn the 2024 election if trump or his anointed successor loses again. the gop could have more favorable state governments. the majority of state legislatures are republican. the key battleground states of pennsylvania, georgia, michigan, wisconsin, north carolina, and arizona are have republican
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legislatures. >> if they're able to put forward alternate slates of electors they can actually get officials to sign off on that might give them more credibility, certainly they might have a little more success there, either in arizona or other states. >> in addition, the now conservative supermajority supreme court could support an obscure and not widely accepted legal theory where state legislatures have supreme power over elections without checks and balances. that theory stems from article 1 section 4 of the constitution, which says the times, places, and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives shall be prescribed by the legislature there of. >> those that are promoting the independent legislature doctrine are suggesting that that means just the legislature. strict reading, just says legislature. it means just the legislature. what they're failing to recognize is that every state has a constitution that defines
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what its legislature does and does not make the legislature predominant over other aspects of government, including the executive and judiciary. >> supreme court observers believe some justices hinted they would accept that theory in response to challenges of the 2020 election. at the same time, state legislatures across the country are passing laws to overhaul the election process. according to the left-leaning brennan center for justice, 19 states passed new restrictive voting laws last year alone. like florida, restricting ballot boxes and iowa proposing strict punishments for election workers who make errors. and over 250 more bills are being considered as of mid-january. >> we're getting legislation that is basically making non-partisan election offices, they're being politicized. and that is making it harder for us to do our jobs. >> many conservatives say the bills are not about voter suppression but rather just reflect policy differences between the parties.
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and in some cases make voting easier. >> essentially policy choices as to how many ballot boxes you are going to allow. i think the whole concern that there is a fundamental restriction in franchise are silly. >> in texas, new election rules passed in 2021 limit voting hours and makes it harder to vote by mail. the texas secretary of state says more than 24,000 voters had their ballots rejected in the march primary. a big jump over previous elections. republican texas lawmaker travis clardy talked to cnn just before the bill passed last year. >> 15 years since we had an overhaul of our election laws. i think it was very much time to do this. >> at the same time, many pro-trump republican candidates are top contenders to take control of election oversight as secretary of state. and they're all running on the same campaign message. the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >> we know it. and they know it.
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donald trump won. >> arizona's ballot by mail system works. >> democrat katie hobbs is arizona's secretary of state and is now running for governor. she worries what will happen in future elections. >> it is so concerning to see the number of election deniers running for not just secretaries of state across the country but attorneys general, governors, and even down to state legislatures. it is not an accident. we know part of why democracy prevailed in 2020 is that there is checks and balances on the system. >> and one key step election experts say would help protect the rightful winner of future elections is making changes to the electoral count act. that's a federal law from 1887 that is very convoluted, could be easily abused, and jake, republicans and democrats on capitol hill say they're looking at ways to amend it such as making it clearer states cannot
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send an alternate state of electors if it's different from the candidate with the most votes. >> they might want to hop to it on that bill. pamela brown, thanks so much. >> coming up, paging agent scully and molder. pondering a different kind of national security threat, the kind perhaps from another world. , topped on tender shaved steak. it's a real slam dunk. right, derek? wrong sport, chuck. just hold the sub, man! subway keeps refreshing and d refreshing and refreshi- what do you think healthier looks like? cvs can help you support your nutrition, sleep, imne system, energy ...even skin. so healthier can look a lot like...you. cv healthier happens together.
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the choice for attorney general is clear. democrat rob bonta has a passion for justice and standing up for our rights. bonta is laser focused on protecting the right to vote and defending obamacare. but what's republican eric early's passion? early wants to bring trump-style investigations on election fraud to california, and early says he'll end obamacare and guard against the growing socialist communist threat. eric early. too extreme, too conservative for california. fanduel and draftkings,
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too conservative two out of state corporations making big promises to californians. what's the real math behind their ballot measure for online sports betting? 90% of profits go to the out of state corporations permanently. only eight and a half cents is left for the homeless. and in virginia, arizona, and other states, fanduel and draftkings use loopholes to pay far less than was promised. sound familiar? it should. it's another bad scheme for california. in our out of this world lead, key lawmakers warning that unidentified aerial phenomena, poply known as ufos must be investigated as a threat to national security. today's hearing, the first on
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ufo's in decades, almost a year after an intelligence report provided few answers as to what military pilots have encountered in more than 140 incidents. joining us now to discuss, the former director of the advanced aerospace threat identification program, unpublicized u.s. government program started in 2007 committed to investigation of ufos. you had access to the ufo data, you interviewed military officials that encounter them on an almost daily basis. are they right to think of it as a threat to national security? >> yjake, great question. with all of the military eyewitness testimony in recent years along with videos, telemetry and radar data, optical data, it paints a convincing picture to members of congress that this is a national security issue. and what we saw today really is
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historic. not in the last 50 years has our congress been briefed by members of the government on the ufo topic. >> i want to show you declassified videos they shared today. this video, you see a small object that appears to zip past a military pilot. you can see some glowing triangles in the night sky. what do you think we're looking at there? >> well, jake, look, that video was taken after i left the department of defense, i can't comment on that specific video, but i think what the problem is here is that we have a bit of a schizo schizophrenic approach. on the one hand they're real, on the other they're called the air quad issues, and not break away technology. this history of videos and eyewitness testimony goes back decades. interestingly enough, they acknowledged of my program and
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the existence of the program called project blue book that closed in the '70s, but they're not discussing anything that happened in between. there's no plan to collect data from any government efforts that existed between the '70s and my program and that's problematic. >> ufos first appeared with the american public radar about 70 years ago. the stigma around discussing it kept many from taking it seriously. do you think today's hearing was a turning point? >> i do, jake. i think it is a step in the right direction. i think the american people and congress can expect more hearings. i think this was mostly proforma, to get, let's not forget, during blue book, we had the head of the air force did he have. now it is the head of the dod. now testifying with one of his colleagues. i think what congress is doing is smart. if you listen to the question
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specifically asked by members of congress, they know what's going on. they're no fools, they're asking the right questions, i think they'll keep asking until they get the answers. >> lou, we'll have you back to discuss more soon. always good to have you on. >> my pleasure. thank you. nationwide. so you can power your business to do more. find the perfect solution for your businesess. bogey's on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not gettingou a helicopter. only pay for what you ed. ♪liberty, lerty, liberty. liberty.♪ every year we try to exercise more, to be more social, to just relax. and eating healthy
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this sunday, it is my honor to tell you that i'm going to be anchoring a program that's very special, a cnn special report called finally home. it is our interview with former marine trevor reed, recently freed from russia. i sit down with trevor and his
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family for his first exclusive interview since returning to the united states after being held in a russian prison unfairly more than two years. i will talk to families and loved ones of other americans wrongfully detained around the world. trevor reed wants us to bring attention to their stories, too. this airs sunday, 8:00 p.m. eastern, only on cnn. i will see you back here for special election coverage in one hour. coverage continues with wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now. breaking news across the board. in buffalo, president biden visits a community in mourning and says the racist ideology that led to mass murder there cannot be tolerated anywhere. >> white supremacy is a poison, it is a poison. it really is.
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