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turkey will commit to our security. we take terrorism seriously. we condemn terrorism in all its forms, and we are actively engaged in combatting it. we are open to discussing all the concerns turkey may have concerning our membership in an open and constructive manner. these discussions have already taken place, and they will continue in the next days. 24th february, i said that the masks have fallen and we see only the cold faces of war. russia's war in ukraine has changed europe and our security
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environment. finland takes the step of nato membership in order to strengthen not only its own security, but also in order to strengthen wider transatlantic security. this is not away from anybody. like you, mr. president, said nato is protective, not a threat to anybody. at the same time we must not forget that, at this very moment, the proud people of ukraine are fighting not only for their own freedom and democracy, but for our common security. finland, together with the eu and the united states, stands firmly behind ukraine. so, mr. president, once again, i want to thank you for making
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history with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. president, thank you for welcoming president niinisto and me to the white house. the bonds between sweden and the united states, they are strong and long standing, and as you know, swedes first in your home state of delaware in 1638, and we were one of the first countries to recognize the united states as an independent nation in 1783. since then, our countries have developed a deep and long-standing friendship, through family tie, trade, and mutual interests, and i personally very much want part of this. but most of all, our shared
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values and beliefs in democracy and freedom, values and beliefs that are now being put to the test. and today, the situation in ukraine reminds us of the darkest days of european history. and i must say, that during dark times, it is great to be among close friends. and over these past months we have shown transatlantic unity and strength at its best. together, we have responded forcefully to russia's aggression and provided unprecedented support to ukraine. we have not flinched. mr. president, i want to thank you for the massive u.s. support to ukraine, and for your sustained engagement in european society. president niinisto and i have
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come here at a historic moment for our countries, and for sweden, after 200 years of military nonalignment, sweden has chosen a new path. yesterday, sweden and finland submitted our formal requests to join nato. and russia's full-scale aggression against a sovereign and democratic neighbor, that was a watershed moment for sweden, and my government has come to the conclusion that the security of the swedish people will be best protected within the nato alliance, and this is backed by very broad support in the swedish parliament. and with sweden and finland as members, nato will also be stronger. we are security providers with sophisticated defense
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capabilities, and we are champions of freedom, democracy, and human rights. we have a long tradition of extensive military cooperation with nato, including all missions, and we are right now ramping up our defense spending and reach 2% of gdp as soon as practically possible. mr. president, your support for our country's nato aspiration for our security are of fund fundamental importance and we look forward for a swift ratification process by nato members and we're having a dialog with all nato mesmber countries, including turkey, to sort out any issues at hand. in the united states, the senate is crucial in this regard and last sunday i hosted a delegation headed by senate republican leader mcconnell in
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sweden and later today, president niinisto and i will meet senate majority leader schumer and other leading members of congress, and we greatly appreciate the broad and strong support expressed by both parties in congress. but mr. president, our countries also work closer together impacting global challenges, and sweden, like other nordic countries, has shown that emissions reductions can go hand in hand with economic growth. in sweden, right now, the green transition creates thousands of jobs through investments in battery factory, green mining, and fossil free production. i actually brought the president a unique example of this, a candle holder made with world's
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first fossil free steel. what we see in sweden right now previously the neglected areas are no longer struggling with unemployment or depopulation but how to build housing, infrastructure and schools, quick enough to meet up with the expansion. here, i see fantastic opportunities to cooperate between the nordic countries and the united states. and i'm also proud that sweden contributes to the u.s. economy and the prosperity of the american people. swedish companies are active in every single state, creating more than 350,000 jobs in the united states. and we are the 15th largest investor. mr. president, i want to thank you for your leadership in our joint efforts to promote democracy throughout the world
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because democracy requires constant work and safeguarding. we have to win every new generation. let me conclude where i started, peace and stability in our part of the world is the common security interest for us, for you, and for the rest of europe. we stand here today more united than ever, and we are committed to strengthening our bonds even further. sweden is prepared to shoulder its responsibility as an ally in the north atlantic treaty organization. thank you. >> thank you. >> worried right now during this vulnerable transition -- >> mr. president -- >> do you plan on speaking to president erdogan? >> can you offer --
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>> mr. president -- >> president biden clearly not going to be taking questions after these remarks. you have been watching president biden offering, in his words, the full, total and complete backing of the united states to the leaders of sweden and finland in their bid to join nato. the two nordic countries have long been neutral players on the world stage, and this is a major shift. biden called this a momentous day. now three months into russia's war in ukraine, sweden and finland are abandoning that neutral status in order to join the defensive alliance. let's start back at the white house, cnn's john harwood is there. he's been watching this. all the leaders noting this as a historic moment. >> it is. it's one of the unexpected k consequences of vladimir putin's unexpected aggression into ukraine. it has brought nato together. vladimir putin was hoping to split nato apart and it's pulled these nations that have stood outside nato membership for
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years, finland and sweden, to try to join. now you heard the president's remarks emphasizing this does not threaten any other country, that nato is a defensive alliance that's committed to the mutual defense of each of its members. that accession of finland and sweden depends on all 30 nato members. each has leverage. turkey has been using that leverage to try to get some concessions from finland and sweden and the finnish president addressed that. he said that we take terrorism seriously, the turks complain that the relationship between finland and the kurdish community, which it calls a terrorist, is a threat to them. they complain about the arms embargo that was imposed upon turkey by finland and sweden as a result of their conflict in syria with kurds, so the finnish president addressed it, said that we are going to try to get over those humps. the swedish prime minister
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indicated that we're working not just with turkey, but all nato members to resolve any concerns they have. from the tone of the remarks, they didn't take questions as you said, from the tone of the remarks it sounds as if they are highly confident they're going to get past that objection from turkey and see this ascent of both nations into nato. >> it's good to see you john. thank you so much for that. let's talk about this opposition from turkey. turkey's president vowing once again to oppose the membership of sweden and finland into the nato alliance. his vote, as has been noted is key, because the defensive alliance gives each of the 30 member countries the power to veto any new membership bid. nina de santos is live in stockholm, sweden, and has more on this. talk about turkey's opposition, what president erdogan has said. >> yeah. this is a really complicated issue that centers largely on sweden more than finland, actually, because sweden has
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spent many years had a policy of welcoming people from the kurdish community. this is a minority in the middle east distributed between iran, iraq, syria, and also parts of turkey, and president erdogan has had a long-standing rift with this community. they're persecuted in some parts of these countries including in turkey, according to human rights experts, and he says that sweden has been giving asylum to members of this community, that he wants to see extradited back to sweden because he says they have close ties to organizations like the kurdistan workers party, pshgts kk, the ypg, syrian kurds over there, organizations that turkey deems to be terrorist organizations. he's not likely to get much traction on this particular issue, but it is something that he wants brought to the floor. also, there's another issue with sweden and that is that sweden pushed for and implemented an arms embargo on turkish weaponry in 2019 when turkey entered parts of northeastern syria with
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operations aimed at some of these kurdish groups there. so those are two issues that he's also trying to bring to the floor, but diplomats also say, diplomatic experts, say that this is part of having some say around the negotiating table and also trying to get the united states more involved as well. kate? >> nina, thank you so much for that. i appreciate it. joining me with more is the former prime minister of finland, now the director of the school of transnational governance at the european university institute. thank you so much for being here, prime minister. first, just your reaction, what you heard, what your takeaway was, from what we heard from the leaders just now? >> well, i think it was a portrayal of strong support and an alliance which has existed there, in all but name, and i must say as an avid advocate of finnish nato membership for the past 30 years it was heartwarming to see the president of finland, the prime minister of sweden, standing
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next to the president of the united states talking about our nato membership. go four months back, i never believed this would happen. >> and i think that's important to not be missed because it's truly months ago, just a few months ago, you would not have thought this was in the offing, especially so quickly? it's truly, it is, it is historic on how quickly this has come about. >> yeah. i mean, if you unravel the process, you could say that the decision of finnish nato membership was takenon the 24th of february when putin attacked ukraine. that's when public opinion changed. it used to be 50 against 20 in favor, now the latest opinion poll that we have is roughly 80% in favor of nato membership, with a vote in parliament, 188 to 8. i mean, it sounds like north korea, but it probably shows you a little bit more about finnish security policy consensus. this was a long time coming, and i'm glad it's happening.
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i think it will increase security in the baltic sea region in europe and for the alliance. >> let's talk about the opposition coming from turkey. the leaders today, they seemed as john hardwood noted, they seemed confident these memberships will be granted and this will go through. you also think that this will get ironed out, the concerns raised by turkey. why are you confident of this? >> well, i've worked with our turkish friends over the years. i remember being a young civil servant of the european council in helsinki in december 1999 when we actually opened doors for the turkish eu negotiations. i also remember establishing friends of peace mediation with foreign minister at the time ahmed davtolo in the u.n., and i've always had trust in the relationship that we've had. now these things happen, they're domestic issues here. you know, one of the things that wasn't mentioned in your piece was that there's also an issue with f-35s coming from the u.s.
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or actually as the case might be, not coming from the u.s. i'm sure these are the types of negotiations and discussions that both the americans, the finns and swedes and turks are having. we finns are cool, calm and collected and believe in dialog and sorting things out. >> are you saying to an american by way of comparison, we are less cool, calm, and collected? i'm joking. absolutely joking. on this opposition, can you take us behind the scenes, is it more -- is there more going on behind the scenes of why erdogan is speaking up like this, speaking up like this now, and what he really does want, if you're so confident that this is going to go away in the end? >> well, i think there are a few avenues you have to look at there. one is the pkk and the kurdish issue. one is actually the arms embargo from both finland and sweden to turkey. the third one is the issue of not getting the f-35s.
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you know, if you're looking for a balanced compromise, you would probably find some wording and some action and activity on that. you know, i'm trying to read between the diplomatic lines, and i'm sensing confidence on both sides. then there's, of course, also domestic issues in turkey. remember, they have elections in about a year's time, and the turkish economy, because of the global situation, is not doing that well at the moment. of course we've seen this before as well, if you recall, president erdogan was blocking the nomination of secretary general from denmark early in the day because of the caricature publications. so it's a tough situation, but i believe in diplomacy. >> one big question is also the reaction of russia to this. vladimir putin is very clear, nato expansion is the last thing that he wants. he sees that as a threat.
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this week vladimir putin says he has no problem with finland and sweden joining nato, but that is also different from what we've heard from russian officials even also this week. just on monday the deputy foreign minister of russia said this move towards nato was a great mistake and would have far-reaching consequences. what do you think of this shift from russia? >> well, two answers on this. the first one is to understand that, for russia, finnish and swedish nato membership is a different kettle of fish. it's already sort of accounted for, and that's why you've heard both actually putin and lavrov say it's not a security threat to russia. but the second point is that we have to be prepared for this type of oscillation of information and disinformation coming from russia, as we saw with the spokeswoman sackrowva saying it will be a surprise coming from the defense ministry. we have to stay steadfast and understand there might be tough
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language, we might see cyber attacks, but other than that this is a done deal in the eyes of the kremlin. putin knows this. this is putin's nato enlargement. they will be there because of his attack. otherwise they wouldn't have gone in. >> the exact opposite of what vladimir putin wants to see happening. it is happening as a result of his war in ukraine. prime minister, thank you very much for coming in. coming up for us, the biden administration announcing new moves now to try to fix the baby formula shortage hitting families nationwide. new measures that they say will help boost supply. how soon, though, is that going to hit store shelves? that's next. period pains. and disruptive muscle aches. you can count on f fast, effective relief with motrin. for me, being in nature and putting my hands in the ground, it's almost a spiritual experience. i nted to use our garden as a way to share food and love
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the white house taking new steps now to try and fix the baby formula shortage that is so far not getting better. president biden announcing that he's invoking the defense production act to increase supply. the administration is establishing operation fly formula which will move formula in faster from overseas. overnight the house passed a pair of bills, one of which provides $28 million in emergency funding for the fda in the face of this crisis. cnn's elizabeth cohen has the latest and is tracking all of this. how are these measures expected to help? >> kate, let's look at some of the details and how soon it will help parents who are really suffering. so you mentioned the defense production act, so that's the president saying look, ingredients that could be -- could go to a bunch of things including formula, we're going to prioritize formula. also, the fda making it easier to import formula to the u.s., something that really hasn't been done before. also, operation fly formula, the
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department of defense helping to fly formula in from overseas, and also the fda and abbott, they've agreed on steps that need to be taken to reopen that shuttered michigan plant. kate, you will notice in the wording here, these are things like trying to ease or making plans, most of this is not going to happen right this minute. it's going to take a while for these things to kick in. parents are still going to be suffering for weeks to come, possibly even longer. kate? >> and you talk about the suffering, elizabeth. the nightmare scenario that was feared is playing out for some families. there are children ending up in the hospital because they cannot find the formula that their child can tolerate. what are you hearing from some of these families? >> so what we're hearing from families and doctors are that these are children that have specific feeding issues. these are not sort of your typical child. for example, i want to introduce you to 3-month-old clover wheatley. she is right now in a pediatric
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intensive care unit in south carolina. she's allergic to dairy, to soy. there isn't much she can drink. she had one formula that was working out fabulously for her but her parents couldn't find it. she ended up getting quite sick. the diagnosis is failure to thrive. she has a feeding tube in her stomach so she can be fed directly that way. it's really an issue. i would like to introduce you also to 3-year-old alexis tyler, she is in massachusettss. she has autism and she has a lot of feeding issues and will only take one formula. her parents can't find it. she is getting a feeding tube at a hospital right now. these are parents who have really faced difficult issues. they are ending up in the hospital. we don't think this is happening -- that it's hugely widespread, but we are hearing more and more stories of children who have particular feeding issues, not being able to get what they need and then they end up in the hospital. kate? >> that's why the timeline here is part of -- is critical to
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this crisis. >> right. >> how quickly they can get back on the shelves. >> exactly. >> really does matter. it's good to see you. thank you for that update. let's turn now to inflation fears. they are driving down stocks at this hour. a big sell-off is continuing with markets on the decline. the s&p is now kind of nearing bear market territory. shares of target and walmart plunged this week following their disappointing quarterly earnings. add all this together, bring in matt egan who is tracking and following what this is meaning. what's driving these weak earnings? let's start there and what this means. >> kate, it's the same force that is angering voters and unnerving investors, high inflation. both target and walmart sounding the alarm about how these price spikes are impacting their bottom lines. both of these companies suffered their worst one-day percentage decline since 1987. >> wow. >> think about that for a minute. worse than at any point during the covid meltdown, worse than during the 2008 financial
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crisis. they both said basically high inflation is chipping away at their bottom lines. target, one example, said that fuel and freight costs are going to add an extra billion dollars to their expenses. not only that, but high inflation has forced consumers to sort of shift what they're spending on. they're not spending as much on nonessentials. that left target with too much inventory of outdoor furniture and kitchen appliances and tvs. target said they're having a hard time passing along these costs to consumers. all of this has alarmed investors. one market strategist told me that target and walmart has given investors, quote, a freak out moment, which is a technical term, about what all this means to profitability. >> maybe very big canaries in the coal mine of where we're headed for industries. gas prices, talk about this. it's impacting these retailers, impacting their bottom line. they continue to climb higher. where are they today? >> every day feels like there's another record high. $4.59 nationally, up another 2 cents overnight.
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now gas prices are 30% more expensive than they were the day before russia invaded ukraine. six states already at at least $5 a gallon. washington state and nevada, california, well above $6 a gallon. illinois, arizona, new york, approaching $5 a gallon. jp morgan put out a report warning $6 a gallon is possible by the end of august, which would obviously be a huge thing. >> all over the country. >> exactly. just to tell you what this means for families. households spent an average of $2800 a year on gasoline according to research. at today's prices the annual rate would be $5,000 of spending. this is a big deal for household budgets an we know that gas prices holds a special place in consumer psychology because every day we drive by and see those prices and we really feel it when we fill up, especially lately. >> absolutely. good perspective. thank you. really appreciate it. coming up for us we're going
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to show you live pictures of -- there's air force one. president biden will be leaving for his first trip to asia since taking office. the list of challenges as he heads over is long. the issues he's facing are great. what is he hoping to accomplish? what message does he want to send kleichina and how the war ukraine factors into all of this. thatat's coming up.
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departing soon from the white house for his first trip to asia since taking office. the president is going to be visiting south korea and japan for a series of meetings with top leaders. cnn's arlet signs is live at the white house with a preview for us. what's ahead for the president on this trip? >> kate, any minute behind me, president biden will be leaving the white house, making his first journey to asia as president. a region that is central to the president's foreign policy goals, the president will be traveling to both south korea and japan. officials have said he hoped to get to the region much earlier in his presidency but was constrained due to covid and other crises like the war in
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ukraine. this trip will offer the president a chance to, once again, bolster the relationship with these countries. the president first will be in seoul meeting with the country's new leader yook suk-yeol, as well as then make his way to tokyo where he will meet with the prime minister kishida of japan. additionally, while in japan, the president will be meeting with the so-called quad leaders, that includes japan, australia, and india. as the president has really sought to reinvigorate that alliance since taking office. now this trip to the region comes as there have been some provocations from north korea. it appears that the country may be trying to test an underground nuclear weapon or intercontinental ballistic missile, the white house saying they're preparing for all contingencies at this moment. president biden trying to make clear that this region is a key focus for him, even as he has been pulled away to other foreign policy matters like ukraine. >> absolutely. arlet, thank you so much. the white house is making
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contingency plans in case north korea conducts a nuclear or long-range missile test while president biden is overseas in asia. a u.s. official telling cnn it appears pyongyang is preparing to test an icbm possibly within the next 48 hours. let's get over to barbara starr live at the pentagon for us. what are you picking up on this? >> kate, the u.s. intelligence community watching around the clock as president biden makes his way to the region. the concern, as you have said, that preparations appear they are seeing signs of preparations for a long-range intercontinental ballistic test, a missile that could potentially f it all works some day, possibly reach the united states. that is a threat that the u.s. has long said they would not let stand. the national security adviser, jake sullivan, openly talking about this just yesterday. >> we are preparing for all contingencies, including the possibility that such a provocation would occur while we are in korea or in japan. we are coordinating closely with
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our allies in both korea and japan on this. we have spoken with counterparts in china. >> reporter: now, since earlier this year, the u.s. intelligence community, the u.s. military, has stepped up intelligence collection over north korea and in the waters around the peninsula, trying to get as much information, as much intelligence as it can about north korean weapons plans so they will be ready if north korea decides to move ahead. kate? >> barbara, great to see you. thank you. joining me with more, is senior international correspondent will ripley and global affairs analyst kim dozier a "time" magazine contributor. will, we hear from the white house how important this overall trip is for them, for the president, shift back to the focus of where he wanted it to be for so long. how is this trip being viewed from over there where you are? >> well, i think certainly here in taiwan they're encouraged to see president biden coming to
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the region to show that united states can handle two major hot spots at once, that would be russia, ukraine and china and taiwan. president biden entered office viewing china as the number one foreign policy challenge. that was a similar viewpoint shared by the trump administration when i had conversations with their diplomats several years ago. this is also a time that north korea is stepping up provocations again. you have, obviously, increasing tensions between taiwan and mainland china. there's a lot -- plus trade and the economy and all these other things. there's a lot that president biden can get done here in this very important part of the world. >> that's a good point. kim, the conventional, i guess, thought would be that the war in ukraine has distracted biden from his focus, his desired focus on china, but you also see that kind of -- that the alliance that has come together because of the war, sends a very powerful message to china at the very same time. what is that message? >> well, absolutely.
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when the ukraine war started, a senior u.s. official told me the biden administration took it like a gut punch. they were in all the stages of grief, including denial, until they sort of embraced the fight and in doing so, rounded up an important alliance, which is something that china is watching. i mean, right now where i am, i'm in stockholm, just came from finland and before that estonia, estonia is very happy to see finland and sweden joining nato, and a japanese official i met along the way said that watching what u.s. administration has done in service of protecting ukraine, makes them feel a lot more confident that the biden administration will show up if there's a threat to japan. >> and will, as barbara starr was reporting on the possibility and you mentioned of the north korean missile test happening during this trip, how would you
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describe just biden's overall approach to north korea so far and what would this test -- what would a test, a possible test, what would it do? >> well, president biden's approach is not exactly president obama's strategic patience, but it's pretty close. he has been very hands off from what i've been told, not engaging, you know, kind of letting his lower level diplomats try to handle this. from the north korean perspective, talking with sources who speak with the north koreans, they're not interested with lower level taux. after the summit with president trump, they want leader-to-leader communication. it was suggested if president biden would write a letter to kim jong-un. we have no idea if that would happen or not. kim and trump were exchanging love letters as the former president put it. the north koreans at this stage are not willing to engage with the united states even though the u.s. is offering talks about preconditions and force themselves into the conversation, get president
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biden talking about them, what better way, than to launch a big missile or potentially a nuclear test while he's in the region. i don't think they would go that far, although 2016 president obama left the region and they did a nuclear test shortly thereafter. anything is possible. >> it is. kim, you've noted missile tests are north korea's go to move to try to get any kind of talks started, if you will. do you think that it's going to work with president biden? >> well, the interesting thing is that north korea has also recently admitted it's got a covid crisis, so generally what it often does is, make a threat and then also hold its hand out for some sort of aid. this could present an opportunity. what biden administration now has to do is prove that it can turn some of its new european coalition building into a strength that perhaps gets china to lever pyongyang to be more
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in just hours the cdc's vaccine advisors are going to be voting to formally recommend pfizer's covid booster shots for kids age 5s to 11. if recommended kids would get that booster five months after their last shot. joining me for more on this is dr. paul offet, a member of the advisory committee and director of the vaccines education center at children's hospital of philadelphia. good to see you a again, doctor. where are you, you and i talked about boosters for a long time and for all ages, where are you on this age group, 5 to 11? >> what you know is the two doses of vaccines for the 5 to 11-year-old is protected against serious illness. what is true, it's not as protective against mild illness. i think what the third dose will do is offer better po text against mild illness for three to six months.
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that's what you get with the third dose. >> the question then becomes, what is the goal of these vaccines? what is the goal of the boosters? is that clear to you? >> i think that's the key question. i mean, when we first started with vaccines back in december of 2020, the goal was protection against serious illness, to keep people out of the hospital, out of the intensive care unit and to prevent them from dying. that's a reasonable goal. that's an achievable goal. that's the goal we have for the most part for all vaccines. i think what's happened, now we're trying to protect against all symptomatic illness. that's the way this seems to be playing out, which means, frequent booster dosing and i just don't, frankly, see that as a viable public health strategy. >> that's a good question. so the white house resumed their covid briefings yesterday, doctor, in response to the recent jump in cases. one message from the white house team is very clearly that they want congress to act, to approve more funding so they say they can be ready for the surge that
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they fear is coming in the fall. i want to play for you what the new white house coordinator dr. ashish jha said about this. >> i want to make sure we have enough >> i think it's critical. we don't have the resources to do that right now. without additional funding from congress, we will not be able to buy enough vaccines for every american that wants one once the vaccines come out in the fall and winter. >> what to you make of the warnings like this from the white house? >> so, again, what's the goal? what you have right now, you have a clear increase in cases. in many states in this country, you have an increase in cases in co-skrid. what happened in omicron and now the other sub variants, those variants are immune resistance. over phenomenon you've been vaccinated, you are at risk of mild or moderate but not severe ill illness. you don't see a dramatic increase at all in
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hospitalizations. you see virtually no increase in deaths. in many ways that's what you want. you have probably 95 % population immunity right now from vaccination or natural infection or both. so you're seeing what you hope to see which is cases which doesn't surprise you but not a consequent increase in hospitalizations and deaths. that's what you want. so i'm not sure how this is going to play out come winter. it's a winter virus. you would expect to see an increase in late fall and early winter. i suspect it will be true here. with the increase in cases, are you going to see an increase in hospitalizations and deaths? maybe not. we'll see. the thing that was upsetting about omicron is across the line. now you had an immune invasive strain, now we're seeing a lot of mild illness, but is that something we're trying to prevent. if so, it's going to require frequent booster dose. already i think at some level you have booster fatigue. >> do you see a scenario, then, where people are asked or expected to get boosters every
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five months? do you see a scenario like that? >> well, it's a scenario that's not going to be accomplished. i think people are not going to do that. you're already seeing that. at some level how many people have gotten a third dose? about a third of the country who got a third dose. already you're seeing sort of the fatigue. i don't see that playing out. at some level we're coming off zero tolerance. we don't accept mild infection. and if you have that, you're asked to sort of quarantine yourself for a certain number of days. even if everybody in the world were vaccinated, this virus is going to circulate. it's a short incubation period. like all short incubation period infections, it's going to continue to circulate even if everybody in the world is vaccinated or previously infected, and at some level, we're going to have to learn to live with that mild infection. right now, it doesn't seem we can. >> the cdc director is saying that about that a third of the people should consider masking
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indoors right now because of their covid risk, because they live in areas of medium or high covid risk as we've seen. covid cases are jumping up. mask requirements, we are seeing they're not being reinstated. do you think officials -- you talked about booster fatigue, that officials don't believe people are going to follow these rules anymore? or is it that they're less necessary now because of the other tools at hand? vaccines and anti-virals? >> i think that's right. i mean all three are valued. i'm asking vaccines and ooint virals. i think people are basically voting with their faces, if you will. what's the definition of a pandemic? a pandemic changes the way you live, work, or play. epidemic doesn't. and i can tell you in philadelphia or avalon, new jersey, when you see, for example, 19,500 people go to a 76ers game, virtually none of whom are wearing masks, they're telling you we think we've moved beyond the pandemic.
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two years before the pandemic hit the country, influenza caused 8 00,000 hospitalizations and 60,000 deaths. we lived with those numbers. we could have masked, social distanced, tested people, vaccinated twice during the season, that would have dramatically lowered the numbers, but beaccept that. at some level we're going to accept this with this virus, i don't know what the numbers are. >> i'm curious of your take. on kind of a new thing we're seeing with the airport virals. cnn is reporting the president is tracking symptoms rebounding after taking the anti-viral. the white house is looking into whether it should be providing guidance on this. are you seeing this? i mean, what do you think of -- are you surprised by this? >> well, it's in the package insert when the product was a licensed for use. with about 2 % rebound. it's not surprising in the sense that anti-virals aren't
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anti-biotics. anti-virals limit replication, and so it's not surprising that after five days of treatment, for example, there would be viral particles that are viable that could reproduce themselves, but again it's important if you're in a high risk group. certainly if you're not vaccinated to take the anti-viral to decrease your chance of going onto develop severe covid. >> do you recommend people still take the anti-viral if they can get it? >> yes. i mean, if they have -- are at increased risk because of age, a young healthy person doesn't, but those at high risk do. >> good to see you, doctor. thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you all so much for being here at this hour. i'm kate bolduan. "inside politics" with john king starts after this break.
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hello. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing your day with us today. a pair of big foreign policy tests for president biden. right now he's on his way to asia to assure japan and south korea that russia's war in ukraine won't distract him from the china challenge, and he welcomed the leaders of finland and sweden to the white house. >> they have the full backing of the united states of america. let me be clear. new members joining nato is not a threat to any nation. it never has been. >> plus they are still counting votes


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