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we'll talk to late-night expert bill carter about the big-star exits and this week's up front and so much more. first, an epic struggle over the future of talking and tweeting. right now all stories lead back to elon musk. he's everywhere. one minute he's like the head of state holding a key meeting with brazil's president, the next like a teenage troll tweeting cruel emojis and memes. musk continues to say his original agreement to buy twitter is on hold. the company is saying the oppo opposite, arguing there's no such thing as on hold, they will forge ahead with the agreement despite musk's belated concerns on the platform. is musk like a student who failed to do his homework and now lashing out, saying it's everyone else's fault? at this time the ramifications

for twitter and behind or global in nation. let's welcome in margaret sullivan, and from the post national correspondent philip bump disbunker checker khaya himm himmelman. good morning, everybody. is anybody believing elon musk he's concerned about twitter, wil will anybody buy it? >> yes, he has a group of supporters that believe it. he has groups that are very vocal. to exports believe it? no, not really. matt bloomberg wrote a story that his original complaint was there were too many boxes and now there are too many boxes so he doesn't want to buy it and these other machinations and so and so sforj. this huge war, how does that play out in a courtroom?

that's the definition. >> this will be a legal battle, can he wiggle his way out of the deal? margaret, why does this matter beyond hard-core twitter users? why does this matter to everybody, even if they don't use twitter? >> brian, i think the political platforms, particularly twitter, are very influential in our overall ecosystem, how everybody gets informed. you don't have to be on twitter to be affected by it. musk's ownership of twitter, if it comes to that, which is dubious, would be extremely influential and his talk about being a free speech absolutist while sounds kind of good in a way, i don't think would actually work out very well for the users of twitter because it would introduce even more horrible stuff than is there now and make it much more unusable, especially for women and marginalized groups who will suffer there anyway. >> even more harassment, even more chaos, even more poison.

this week twitter announced a new crisis misinformation policy. an interesting phrase, they're basically trying to take further action, khaya, in breaking news moments, in moments of crisis, to diminish liars on the platform. i have to wonder they're announcing this white musk is trying to buy the platform, or maybe trying to buy the platform, saying he wants to restore freedom of speech. this is like sticking it too musk. what do you make of this policy as well? >> this policy has been in the works since last year -- >> oh, okay. premusk. >> reportedly. and also we know the consequences of misinformation on the internet since january 6th, since ukraine. it seems like this is bigger than musk. and to say this is despite musk seems like a little shortsighted i would say. >> but it shows these tech companies are trying, their continuing to try to deal with the nonsense that pollutes the internet. you live in this world on this beat every day, how do you size up the disinformation landscape?

>> unfortunately, it is a huge issue and i think some content moderation, it is helpful. we're still working on it. you know, it's -- it's bigger than we know, and i think this is a good first step. we will see what happens if elon musk ends up buying twitter, if he keeps the policy in place or not, but it's a good first step, it's a huge issue. >> everybody stay with me, much more in the moment. but musk is in the news for other reasons as well. on thursday the webbite side insider published an allegation that he sexually harassed a spacex flight attendant in 2016. musk propositioned her for sex and spacex spade a $250,000 settlement for her silent. musk tweeted the incident that it never happened and bashed the website. tesla is building a hard-core litigation department adding, "there will be blood." here to respond is the global foreign correspondent for

insider, anybody davos. tell us why this did meet your standards for publishing? >> any time you have a powerful man and there are credible accusations he's done something wrong the way he was accused of doing in this story and when further there's a settlement that the company paid, i will note that neither the company nor musk denied the settlement. they denied the underlying allegations. that's absolutely newsworthy. >> because of a document showing a settlement, that makes it newsworthy in your mind. tell us about the timeline. when did your team first ask musk for comment? he was tweeting political attacks on me will escalate in the coming months and then he announced he's going to vote republican. did your request for comment come before or after these tweets? >> it came before all of those tweets. i would only be able to

speculate what he was attempting to do. but we asked him for comments. he then reached out and said i would like more time. we waited nine, ten hours before asking for more time. we said okay, you can have more time. i reached out to him personally a few times. talk to us. we want to hear from you. as is often the case in these sorts of circumstances, declined to use the more time we granted him. but, yes, all of the requests were in before he was going on the sort of rant about whatever political party he's joining at the moment. >> a lot of folks he tweeted those comments because of the request for a comment but we don't know for sure. it's been several days now. has musk tweeted any legal action against your website? >> we have not received legal threats yet. we're prepared to deefd the

story vigorously. it's based on documents and interviews and speaks for itself, it really does. >> what about the unnamed accuser, have your reporters been in touch with her and does she have further comments? >> what we're going to do is stay in touch with our sources, we're going to look for more documents, we're going to pursue any leads that avail themselves to us. when there's more to say, we'll say it. it will be thoroughly vetted and rock solid as the last report we made on this. >> i wonder what it's like, you run a big newsroom and backed by a big company and here you are reporting news about the richest man in the world, is there ever moment where you hesitate, where you fear publishing? >> well, you know, this is an important story. if you're going to be in the journalism business, when you have a story that is a credible, documented accusation in which the company pays a settlement a couple of years after the incident and it's corroborated in the sense that a friend put a

document together to say that contemporaneously she heard this, it's obviously newsworthy. it's a little trepidatious given his enormous influence and health, as you mentioned. he can put all of the lawyers on retainer for the rest of his life and not even notice. so, you know, we had to be sure. we had to be rock solid on this and we had great support in our corporate ownership and grateful for it. and it's really what we're here to do, bring this kind of truth to the world. >> nich carlson, thank you so much for coming on the program. back with the panel now. philip bump, this decision by musk to say, hey, by the way, i'm a republican now just a few hours after being asked for comment, who knows if it's connected, but musk does represent something bigger in our politics right now. this -- he says he was a democrat, he supported democrats and now he can't stand the left and he's heading to the right. there's a lot of people like him, and he's actually a symbol

of something bigger happening in the culture right now. >> no, that's exactly right. this is a huge issue, even outside of elon musk, as you point out. the idea -- first of all, the idea he's trying to leverage partisanship to defend himself through this accusation as appears to be the case. it's very hard to believe, as you pointed out, he started making noise about partisanship immediately before this report came out, that by itself, of course, is a very big problem we have these days. everybody is encouraged to see news reporting through a larger lens. and then the broader question about the meme he tweeted out he stayed in the middle and left moved to the left, spurring analysis, including from myself, this is part of the conversation he's spurring about twitter, right? he's having 2 conversation about twitter that it is itself looped around partisanship. he is saying he needs to rise to twitter's defense because the right is being excluded from the conversation, which has been percolating well before donald trump left office.

that is a fundamental question. this is the issue of the partisan tension in the united states that manifests in all of these unexpected ways. >> bush bashing democrats. he's not the only one who went after biden. jeff bezos, who used to be the ceo of amazon, one of the richest people in the world and owner of wauk, he called out the biden administration, posting tweets about inflation, other policy proposals. something feels a little elon musky in bezos' tweets. i wonder, margaret sullivan, does this make your job more difficult when your billionaire owner is tweeting how great he is and the pro mowsals? >> i can say it does not make my job more difficult. having worked at two papers owned by bill on-ears, and jeff bezos at "the washington post," it does not mean i will agree

with everything they've done or be or say on platforms and various places, but what i will say they have both done the two most important things, which is to provide financial stability -- buffett no longer owns "the buffalo news" but when he did, that was the case. and they kept their hands off the paper's journalism and its editorial policies. so, no, it hasn't made my job more difficult. >> there are different kinds of billionaire ownership. >> yes, there are. >> khaya, another big headline broken by "the washington post" this week was about the disinformation governance board. this department of homeland security board that was going to try to bring together different parts of the country and stop people from getting tricked by lies on the internet. sounded logical but filled to fail. it became a conservative meme called the ministry of truth, relentlessly mocked it and especially the leader of the board who had a history online of posting a lot of liberal

opinions and misinformation. just break it down for us, what the heck happened here with the disinformation governance board? >> i think the first issue is the name. disinformation is highly politicalized. i think we learned that during the 2020 election. i think disinformation, fact-checking what i do, is a super politicized storm. i think we are seeing that played out. i think that's the number one issue. i think we saw the takedown of that board through a disinformation campaign. one thing we learned is how powerful these disinformation campaigns are. we also learned that we are still very reactive to disinformation. we haven't yet learned how to be proactive unfortunately. i don't think we reached that point. i think we're very far from that point. i think we're still struggling from january 6th, which came a tremendous surprise to us. i think we're still reeling from that. and, you know, this was a bad outcome but hopefully a learning experience for all of us.

and i think the biggest takeaway here is there's a lot of work to be done and disinformation is rampant and we do not really know how to handle it. >> i think you can learn a lot by who's defensive and who's offensive these days. >> totally. >> the biden administration announcing this board completely defensive and doomed. to the pam, thank you, everybody. stick around. up next -- what the crime scene in buffalo has in common with an authoritarian's leader's remarks in central europe. margaret will rejoin us from buffalo with her observations. but, first, you saw those pictures in the corner of the screen a few moments ago. the first military flight carrying an emergency supply of baby formula has just landed near indianapolis, indiana. baby formula flown in on a military plane. this is part of the biden administration's "operation fly formula" as americans are coping with a nationwide shortage. the palettes of baby formula flown here from germany.

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taking over and influencing the control of the media in hungary. he also said make sure tucker carlson-type shows are on the air night and day, 24/7, he said. many non-hungarian reporters wanted to cover this conference but countless outlets like vox and "rolling stone" were turned away. some were like cnn, but there was a blockade of the injury at cpac huck hungry. let's bring back our panel. philip bump, was the importance of orban giving this advice to u.s. conservatives at the same conference where tucker carlson appeared and other far right figures as well? >> i think it's important to note cpac chose to go to hungary. the american right has long been obsessive about patriotism and american supremacy and exceptionalism in the united states. now go to hungary, where they're basically paying homage to a leader taking hardline stands against what the american right

sees as progressive values. i think that is by itself extremely symbolic. we, of course, have orban comes forward saying this is the media you ought to have. if an oughtautocrat is telling this is how your media should look, that's not what you do. the fact the right see orban and policies of orban are concerning. >> i see a connection between hungary and budapest and buffalo, and here's what it is. there was quite a bit of replacement talk. not always with the words replacement theory but in the idea immigrants replacing white people. as we know, margaret sullivan, the suspect in buffalo subscribed to this racist white replacement theory, he wrote all about it in his racist creed before entering the store last weekend. you work in buffalo, like you have for years. you have been there all week long. what are your observations from that community given this racist

talk is what drove the suspect into that mostly black supermarket? >> there's no question in my mind, at least, brian, and we always have to use words like alleged, but i think we do know that the gunman was motivated by the same kind of fraud and growing ideology that we're seeing in these other places that you're talking about, this idea that white people are being replaced by jews, by black people, by the other. and it is a very ugly and clearly a very destructive and a very disturbing tendency. and you cannot really separate the strands of tucker carlson on fox news and 4chan and all of the other ways this ideology is making its way into our society in very, very disturbing and very, very destructive ways. and it's just been a devastating

event here in buffalo. and, you know, one that is -- you know, you can't even get your mind around. and we know why it happened. >> one of your columns was titled, it's time for local journalists to recon with the racism we overlooked. as a former editor of "the buffalo news" there, what do you mean by that? >> i think this is true not just of local journalists but journalism everywhere. but there have been policies, and this is true of buffalo, that created or aided the segregation of a community and racism of a community that brought this shooter here. i mean, he didn't go just anywhere. he was from binghamton and he looked around to see where is the place that -- where is the zip code he could drive to easily that had the highest concentration of black people, and he came up with this neighborhood on the east side of buffalo. so, you know, what are these

thing that's have created and sustained that atmosphere? and, you know, it is not -- it is not just about buffalo but it included buffalo. and it is something that in terms of coverage, policy, overall approach, we need to do much, much, much, much better on. >> now there's talk about regulation of social media, those are big cans of worms that could go in very bad directions. khaya, we saw senator chuck schumer writering a letter to fox, reporting they halt this racist rhetoric. i worry there's not enough examination of the internet as a role, as margaret mentioned, 4chans of the world, and is disinformation even the proper word for the kind of racist rabbit holes people can fall down? i guess disinformation is part of it. >> yes, disinformation is such a broad term. it included so much. >> yeah. >> it's something that -- something that i have been thinking a lot about.

there's this parody website i have been fact checking a lot called real ron news. it's literally parody news but conspiratorial, super dangerous. they have headlines about fake executions and about the covid vaccines containing all sorts of dangerous ingredients, it's dangerous and pernicious. i don't know if you can even characterize that as disinformation. it seems like -- >> almost worse. i'm looking at it now. thinking all of these lies, this is a website full of lies that it could pass as "the buffalo news." what do we do by that? do we really want the house and senate to come up with a law to figure out to do with websites full of lies? >> i guess that's kind of the question. i guess you continue to fact check the work that i do, that i will continue to do, fact check -- even though people say why do you fact check such

ridiculous things? people believe it. people really believe it. it's not just ridiculous stuff on the internet. >> many think they're on to hidden knowledge that no one else tells them and they can form communities and that is the worry. to your point, this is so broad, i hate to sound hopeless. >> when you spoke with qanon people, that's what they said, i did my own research, this is what i found. the research they were doing, that garbage. >> that's what the suspect sounds like to me, unfortunately. thank you very much. for more of our daily dispatches, sign up for our "reliable sources" newsletter @reliablesources.com. did sean hannity make a difference for dr. mehmet oz in pennsylvania. look at all of those interviews? one of oz's rivals is including hannity of lying about her. and you're going to hear abobou her next. driver we got amam i there? no keep going how's that? i'll say when now? is that good? lots of cars have backup cameras now you know

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when dr. mehmet oz stepped on stage tuesday night to celebrate his potential win in the gop senate primary in pennsylvania, he quickly thanked donald trump and then sean hannity. yes, oz benefited from the so-called fox primary. hannity featuring oz in primetime 21 times. oz said hannity also helped him behind the scenes. >> sean is like a brother to m he understands exactly how to make a difference and he's been doing that his entire campaign, much of it behind the scenes. >> oz and david mccormick are now heading towards a recount in a too close to call risk. the third place finisher is kathy barnette and she is blaming hannity, among others, for her loss. kathy barnette joins us now for her first interview here on cnn. thank you for coming on. just a housekeeping estion

first, are you officially conceding the race in pennsylvania? >> yeah, you know, i am. i believe pennsylvanians have made their voice clear. i, like so many others here in pennsylvania, we're watching to see what happens over the next couple days and i would certainly stand by what the voters of pennsylvania would do. >> that means you will endorse the nominee in your state. >> whoever should prevail, i will certainly be in support of them. i want to see the republican party win. >> now this is basically a deadlock between oz and mccormick. do you think it was sean hannity that oz potentially over the top? was hannity's influence so important in the race? >> i think what we saw with my race is a broader issue, right? so the spotlight was shining on me. but i think it's a much broader story here, and that is partisan journalism we see across both sides of the aisle. because there are so many people, there are people coming

to -- coming at me from the left and from the right. and on friday evening, five days ago, i was -- the american people were being told i'm a member of black lives matter and three days later the same american people are being told i'm marching with white supremacists, right? what that did is created an echo chamber and it made it very difficult for the voters of pennsylvania to know what to do. i was listening to your previous block. there's a reason so many people feel they cannot trust mainstream media and have to go out and do their own research because there's so much partisan journalism going on that is creating a very challenging environment for americans to know what's true, what's not true. >> i was in war minister last weekend when you shut the media out of a campaign rally with the gubernatorial candidate there. do you regret shutting out the media from events? >> no, that's not true, brian. i did not shut the media out of

any event that i was in charge of. i was a guest at someone else's rally. as their guest, they got to make the rules but the next day i held a press conference. there were well over 30 different media outlets. i have leaned forward the entire time to share my story. i have lived an extraordinary american first life. >> that is true, it was mastriano in bucks county. why not answer the basic questions people asked you during the campaign? last weekend on fox sunday you were asked where were you an adjunct professor and you did not answer that base question? >> it is not true, brian. >> it is, i have the transcript here. where did you teach? >> no, no. i don't know if it's laziness as journalists or something more insidious. but it's a dereliction of duty. it's all right there. i have been running 13 months

and 5 days ago the media finally paid attention there was someone else other than mehmet oz and dave mccormack running. i worked at justin university, you can go to my website now, barnette 4 senate.com -- >> i did do that. >> if it was true vetting, you would be vetting why john fetterman chased down a black man with a shotgun and that particular person is the democratic nominee for the senate -- for the senate. so that would be very good vetting that needs to be done. i embellish nothing. my life has been out there as an open book for many years. again, whether laziness or something more insidious, the media refused to do their job and prevented just the facts to the american people and allow the american people to make the decision. instead what we saw with my race is that people from both sides of the aisle come up with a narrative and then go look for facts to try to back up their

agenda. and that has created an environment that is very dangerous for our form of government. >> my sense is when they asked you about the university you didn't give the name, but you're right, it is now listed on your website, justin university. but there were specific bio questions you didn't answer when reporters asked them and that was one of the critiques of you, you were not willing to be vetted. you're saying a lot of other folks are not vetted either. >> no, what i'm saying is a lot of people were not vetted but what i'm also saying is i have been running for 13 months. i was in a statistical tie for first place for over four weeks. now, the media only paid attention in the last five days of the race but -- >> do you feel like you were ignored? >> i was ignored because the media had their picks. >> there was a lot of scrutiny towards the end. cnn's k-file found a long history of bigoted statements in your past, many of them on your twitter feed. do you have any response to the folks that say you hate gays and

muslims? >> yeah, you know what, again, i ran this race -- i did a brilliant job in running this race. again, i don't know if it's laziness as journalists or just something more insidious, but none of those statements were full statements or full thought. and, again, we have a man who is running for u.s. senate who chased down a black man who was simply outside jogging, minding his own business, held him up until police came and -- >> i understand the need to answer -- fetterman needs to answer that. >> and they're not vetting that person. >> fetterman needs to answer that of the but your history of anti-gay comments -- >> there's no history of anti-gay -- >> quote, two men sleeping together, you said that's not normal in 2015. >> that does not mean i'm homophobic. like i said, none of those tweets were full thoughts or sentences. it was whatever you can copy and

paste in a twitter. you don't know the context. it was ten years ago. i, like most people in america, you grow or stay static. i don't know what the context is but i've been very clear what the context of some of those islamic tweets were. in that particular time when we were living. but i don't believe the media cares. and as a result rewe created an echo chamber where the american people are highly uninformed or unsure what is true or not true and that makes it very dangerous. we're dealing with very real issues. i was watching the previous segment, again, talking about inflation. last year i talked to a farmer. he was paying $40,000 just to fertilize 600 acres of corn. this year it's $120,000. who do you think are going to eat that? it's going to be the american people. so what we're experiencing now without families with no formula for their babies or this

inflation that is going to continue to ramp up, this administration having no answers for the gas prices or anything, those are the very real issues people are contending with. that is the reason why i was surging. that is the reason why people were coming to -- over to my campaign, because i kept the main thing the main thing and that's pennsylvanians. whereas the media had to go back ten years. >> you couldn't persuade sean hannity, is that the crux of the problem? >> whether or not i could persuade him? i -- over 320,000 pennsylvanians voted for me. i have lived an [ expletive ] flo ex-lem larry life. if the media was truly interested in what was going on they would wonder how a girl who grew up on the low rung on a pig farm lived an ex-particulary life and embellished absolutely

nothing on my resume was able to compete against those particular -- compete against two very wealthy people who spent well over $60 million. i spent less than $2 million and i was on the verge of winning. i think that's the story, what is it about the american people that caused them to piv olt very hard and start coming over to my side? if there was honest journalism, people would be asking that question because i think i tapped into something, and i ran a far more brilliant campaign than my two opponents. >> i think we are interested for the record. and that's why i'm glad you came on the program today. >> thank you, brian. >> thank you. trevor reed's message for the media now that he's freed from a russian prison. plus, we'll find something positive to say about all of the bad news lately. i promise. (man) [whispering] whwhat's going on?

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by a tsunami of negative news. the only thing that's not happening are tsunamis. covid surging in some areas, markets plunging, crypto crashing, raising and baby food shortage, mass shootings, ongoing war in ukraine and monkeypox outbreak. it goes on and on. is the media supposed to look for silver linings here? are we just going to give viewers what they want? let's talk about it with bill carter, cnn analyst and "the new york times" veteran. bill, this felt like a uniquely grim week. >> it's bad and you left a whole lot out. >> i did? >> you left out corruption at the supreme court. you left out the threat against democracy. you left out the fact there was a coup -- >> we're still learning more about that. >> i have been around a long time. i don't remember a gigantic pileup as bad as this or really

a more dangerous period. i think it's more dangerous for the country. >> political talkers always try to focus what does it mean for democrats and biden in the midterms. forget about that for a minute, what does it mean for our psychology and health as a nation and a world why you're inundated by seemingly negative headlines all the time. >> it's like love covid. we can't get out of long covid. everything is bad and we can't get healthy again. it's a tremendous challenge, particularly for the media. what stories do you focus on? how do you not give short trips that are really big when other things happen like baby formula. if you're a mother who needs formula, that's the story you care about. you have to hear about that. >> the media swarms stories. we go from one story, baby formula story now and something else next week. what do you think gets underappreciated or undercovered now going from one to another? >> i think the overarching idea that we have a party that really

wants to go autocratic is really a threat, really dangerous. but the war in ukraine, that is enormous because that has geopolitical implications we can't foresee. we don't know what will happen if that gets resolved. you can't ignore that. but then we have race-based incidents now that are really scary. now we have seen it spilling into homophobia, i don't know if you saw it online this guy saying he's going after lgbtq people and will get them, going after them hard. i think that's another thing that will raise its ugly head as this goes on. it's really a very tough time out there. >> to make the counterargument, is it possible because we see this bad news in our social feeds because of on television, it makes the world to be uglier than it actually is? >> it affects your psyche, i think that's true, but i think the world is bad. it's legit for everyone to say, wow, i don't remember this much. i was around for vietnam.

i was around for civil rights movement. there was a lot of bad stuff going on. but the confluence right now feels quite overwhelming. >> ily your phrase feeling like long covid, more than just the pandemic, but psychologically long. >> yes, absolutely. people are saying it's like brain fog. that's like what we have, you can't think clearly. what are we really supposed to do? i think the media is important. >> what's the positive part, we should not watch, read so much or consume so much of this? >> the positive for me is we still have free media in this country. we have a way to direct people -- even though a lot of people don't want to listen to media anymore, you can't give up on that. you can't give up on telling the truth. there are two sides to homophobia. no, there isn't. there are not two sides to a lot of issues. but you have to be honest. they don't have that in hungary.

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live from new york, it's saturday night. >> so are you officially leaving? >> yeah, man. >> wrapped up 47th season last night and said farewell to a number of cast members including kate mckinnon and pete davidson. late night tv expert is here. is it just me or are these good-byes a bigger deal than they used to be? more emotional? >> for sure more emotional. partly that lauren has affection. when kristen wiig left, it was hugely emotional. kate mckinnon choked up and they gave her the opening to give her

that incredible platform and she was a major talent. she's at the top, i think, in the top stratosphere. davidson, i think, a remarkable story. the guy, no one knew if he'd survive. big trouble emotionally with drugs and everything, straightened out, quite good on the show. did a fantastic andrew cuomo, i don't know if you remember that. and i think he's going to have a very big career, i do. >> and he's going to be one in one of those up fronts in the new projects. >> a show about his life, yes. >> his life. so about the up fronts, this is traditionally the biggest week of the year in television. all the major networks and youtube now, a whole big event in new york city with the upcoming programs. they've really become corporate presentations about streaming platforms as well as broadcast networks. what did you learn this week? >> you really saw the broadcast networks are a minimal part of it. it used to be they were the focus of it. it's a pitch to advertisers. that's what the up fronts are. buy our product, buy our new shows. and those new shows, they're

basilly not going to be culturally impactful, the way a big hit on netflix gets to be. people don't live their lives around broadcast shows anymore. but the advertisers need them, they need to have a mass audience somehow because we are so diffused in the country, except for football maybe, then the prices on football advertising are enormous for that reason but we see commercials in streaming. that's one of the big developments. a lot of commercials. already some. netflix will give you an option. you don't want to pay $15 a month? for $10, you can get, with commercials and i think that opens the door and we'll see more of that. >> is this everything old is new again? >> it is. >> nothing new under the sun? television started with an ad-supporting model and now streaming is going that way. >> every medium that television, any video or sbmentertainment,

radio didn't think it would go away, cable would take over. now streaming is saying, maybe there's too much streaming. it just is a continuum. better be on your feet and notice the change happening and react to it. >> the other headline for me from the up fronts was the sheer number of reboots. old shows coming back. i know this is what happens every year, but i wonder -- >> is it? >> more than ever. how do you break through with the new show? they used to promote the heck. nobody is watching to be promoted to. you have to say, oh, it's a reboot of something you already know, folks. we don't have to tell you what it is. you know what it is. >> nobody's watch, you mean all in one place at the same time. there is more consumption than ever, more complicated. >> nobody watches together, no one exchanges. we aren't sitting at the same time watching the "breaking bad" finale and it makes a big difference. don't exchange information at the water cooler. didn't see it, i can't talk yet.

that changes the way the shows are received. >> a scoop to share with the viewers. "time" magazine coming out with the "time 100" khris. the most influential people of the year but a speak sneak at the names on the media list. the media influencers, get your reaction. joe rogan, david, demetri, the russian journalist, sevgil and emily and sally rooney. let's talk about a couple of these. the ceo of cnn's parent company warner discovery and his corporate presentation this week described a balance between streaming, linear tv like cnn, theatrical releases and wonder if that's the new new normal for these media companies, saying we have our hands in every pod. >> a worthy inclusion because he's now in the middle of what is going to be a massive transformation at warner and i think a fascinating character because he's basically built

this quiet thing and discover it. i don't think people thought this was the next thing to take over the world, but david is an ambitious and smart guy and he's maneuvered his way into a great position. >> fas kacinatifascinating. rogan, some people love him, some people hate him. no doubt, he has influence. >> absolutely influential. "time" said, they put the aye t tollah on the cover, and not saying joe rogan is that, but a cultural impact whether it's positive or negative. >> i like to see journalists in russia and ukraine and sally rooney. bill, thank you very much for being here. great to see you. before we go, jake tapper, exclusive interview with trevor reed. told tapper he thanks the media for helping him get out of the atrocious russian prison. if it wasn't for the constant coverage of his plight, he might still be behind bars.

>> i mean, it's just, there's countless people that i need to thank. i'm not going to be able to cover all of them, but another big one that i need to thank is u.s. news media for covering this. if they had not done that, if they would have said, that's not interesting. that's not really going to be profitable for us, this would have never happened and u.s. news media played a critical role in accomplishing all of that. so, you know, cnn, abc, fox news, everyone who covered that, i want to thank them for doing that anderson coo i want to say the good work with other hostages. that's something, unforfortunat our government needs to function and that's critical. >> you can watch all of the exclusive interview in a cnn

special report, "finally home: the trevor reed interview." quick plug for our weekly reliable sources podcast. this week, it's about twitter bots and elon musk claims with carnegie mellen about what's really going on with spam bots on twitter. i learned a lot. recommend it, follow it wherever you listen to your podcasts. we'll see you back here this time next week. economy on edge with high inflation, gas prices and a baby formula crisis, president biden tries to keep americans op opti optimistic. >> our economy is proving to be resilient. >> resilient enough to hold off a recession? i'll speak to the president's top economic adviser ryan deese ahead.