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league yesterday, manchester city down 2-0 last in the second half, they had to win in order to claim the title. fans were distraught in the stadium until city scored three goals in a five-minute span. there was a great moment after the game, ukrainian mid fielder oleksandr zinchenko drapes his country's flag over the country and broke down in tears. he said in an interview later that he cannot wait to one day bring that trophy back to the ukraine. >> such a beautiful moment, andy. thank you so much for that. "new day" continues right now. i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman on this new day. president biden catching his own administration offguard with a tough message for china, how china just responded. and ukrainian president zelenskyy addressing davos just moments ago, what he told the world's top business leaders
about opportunity in ukraine. president biden shifting his warning about monkeypox as another possible case is being investigated in the united states. and a heart continue stopping rescue in california, a helicopter swoops in to save a man dangling from the side of a cliff. good morning to viewers here in the u.s. and around the world, it is monday, may 23rd. this morning president biden is making unexpected headlines in tokyo, even his top aides were caught offguard by what he said. the president was asked if the united states would, quote, get involved militarily if china were to invade taiwan, and this is the exchange. >> you didn't want to get involved in the ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons.
are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan if it comes to that? >> yes. >> you are? >> that's a commitment we made. we agree on a one china policy, we signed on to t and all the attendant agreements made from there. but the idea that it can be taken by force, just taken by force, is just not -- is just not appropriate. it will dislocate the entire region and be another action similar to what happened in -- in -- in ukraine. >> the united states already provides defensive weapons to taiwan and has previously maintained what is called strategic ambiguity about intervening militarily in the event of an attack by china. the comments this morning seemed a little less ambiguous as to whether they were strategic, china has learned the president's comments caught his top aides by surprise and are
already issuing some clarifications this morning. beijing issued a response a short time ago as well. >> cnn chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is traveling with the president, she joins us now live from tokyo. kaitlan, you know, no mistaking this at all, it was a clear question and a clear answer. >> reporter: no, and it was kind of this moment where in the room that was at the end of the press conference, we're seated next to the president's top national security aides, secretary of state blinken, his national security adviser jake sullivan, their trade adviser cathkatheri t tai, all of these advisers watching the president as he was unequivocal when he answered this question about, yes, the u.s. would get involved militarily should china invade taiwan. that is incredibly significant. as you saw, the president did not offer any caveats or clarifications as he was making those comments, saying very blently that that is what he believes the united states would do. that is what he would do. he said if that situation were to happen. of course, that is a situation that more and more world leaders
have been talking about as they watch this russian invasion of ukraine because it's been a long-standing concern that china would become more aggressive and try to use force against taiwan. the reason the president's comments are so significant is because in the past the united states has warned china against using force in taiwan but they have not gone as far as to say what exactly that would warrant when it comes to the united states' response. they have not said that it would include the u.s. military and instead they have been purposefully vague, they've used this thing called strategic ambiguity not saying exactly what they would do. now the president has gone kind of close to this before, he did so in a cnn town hall with anderson cooper last fall where he talked about the united states commitment to china, it's a statement that aides and leaders walked ba. you also saw aides inside the white house saying there have been no change in the president's position when it came to taiwan, but what he articulated is definitely a change. it is the clearest that you heard any united states
president be in quite some time when it comes to what they would do. he was very clear there. i think when you look at what the president says, you look at how some of his advisers sometimes try to walk it back, often when the president has said it ult preliminary times it's pretty clear what he means there. that is a statement that caught some of the president's advisers off guard when he said it, they did not exact him to be that blunt when talking about what the united states would do if that were to happen. the president should does say he doesn't ultimately think china will invade taiwan. he says he doesn't think that's something that's going to happen. >> probably the biggest news from the news conference no doubt was that statement. i am sure we will hear much more about it in the coming hours from the white house and no doubt from countries around the world. kaitlan, also, this is happening in the context of the russian invasion of ukraine which president biden is well aware of and president biden made some further comments about his views on what vladimir putin is trying to do there. >> reporter: yeah, and that's
another thing that's so important to consider here when officials say nothing has changed when it comes to biden's position. actually, a lot has changed because the invasion of ukraine has happened since the president was last talking about this in the fall, during that town hall. now this has become a lot more real for so many nations because i think the big question and the reason you've seen such a united response is that nations want to make sure that they are showing china what would happen if china does to taiwan what russia is doing to ukraine. and the president was talking about setting an example for china when it comes to president pu putin. >> showing bombings of schools, no military purpose, schools, hospitals, day care centers. all the things -- museums, blowing up all the museums. i believe what putin is attempting to do is eliminate the identity of ukraine. the identity. he can't occupy it, but he can try to destroy its identity and
the reason i bother to mention that is he has to pay and russia has to pay a long-term price for that. >> reporter: now, russia's invasion has been something that has been brought up in almost every conversation the president has had while here on his first trip to asia. he's got the big quad summit coming up on his final day in tokyo, that's meeting with the brand-new leader of australia, the indian prime minister as well in these meetings they are going to be having in addition of course to the japanese prime minister. this is still something that is looming over every single dynamic that they are talking about when it comes to japan's defense and all of these matters are being seen through a very different light, including taiwan, given this invasion. john? >> i think you bring up a great point. what you're seeing in realtime here is diplomacy in a post-ukraine world, even as that war continues there. kaitlan collins for us in tokyo, terrific reporting. thank you. just minutes from now i will speak with republican
congressman mike mccaul on taiwan and the statements from the president and what he saw from china during ukrainian president zelenskyy's address in davos just moments ago. president biden was also asked about the state of the u.s. economy. >> in your view, is a recession in the united states inevitable? >> no. our gdp is going to grow faster than china's for the first time in 40 years. does that mean we don't have problems? we do. we have problems that the rest of the world has. but less consequential than the rest of the world has because of our internal growth and strength. >> cnn's richard quest is joining us now from davos, switzerland, where the world economic forum is taking place. richard, i know that your ears perked up when president biden said that he would consider lifting those trump era china tariffs. tell us how that would impact the economy. >> reporter: it would give it a boost.
it would keep things moving. it would be an extra, if you like, oomph at a time when everything is slowing down and will continue to slow down as interest rates go higher. but his big problem, of course, is whether china opens up. whether china opens the economy and the supply chains to start moving again. this question, brianna, of whether or not they can avoid a recession is really parsing words. everybody will tell you, yes, they can avoid a recession, the fed, but will they avoid a recession? and there everybody becomes a lot more skittish in answering it because the truth is interest rates are going up and the fed's integrity is on the line. when i talk to people here they say to me, when the going gets tough, will the fed continue to push rates higher? will they inflict the necessary pain in their view to bring inflation down? so, yes, this is a test of the
fed, it is a test of markets and ultimately they can avoid a recession, but will they? no one knows. >> richard, i know president zelenskyy just addressed the forum where you are moments ago. what did he say? >> reporter: president zelenskyy reminded everybody at davos of 1938 and the fundamental point that the price of a dictator eventually goes higher and in '38, '39 had to be dealt with and every since has had to be dealt with eventually. he also asked for the toughest sanctions to be implemented and he wanted more. he wanted oil and gas, he wanted the west to give them more sophisticated armaments. this was basically saying to a place where russia had been fated in previous years -- look, i promise you, you go down the promenade as you used to see add verts for russia, spur bank, they were all here, now there is not a russian in sight. and the reason ultimately that
they are having to now deal with this, zelenskyy says, is because they didn't deal with it soon enough. if they had stood up to russia with sanctions earlier, if the crimea sanctions had been properly enforced we wouldn't be in the situation that they are. i can tell you one thing, brianna, i've done 20 davoss at least this is by far the most serious, the noise and froth and all the parties rubbish that goes on, there will be a bit of it, but there are serious people in the congress hall saying they don't know what to do and it's the most difficult times that they can remember. >> will it be consequential? we will see. richard quest, thank you, live for us from switzerland. >> the description of the changes at davos, fascinating. this just in, the white house is looking at potentially tapping an emergency diesel reserve to help ease the skyrocketing prices of fuel. cnn's matt egan joins us live. this is different from the strategic petroleum reserve that a lot of us know about.
what's going on here? >> this is different and it's smaller than that strategic petroleum reserve. clearly the white house is very concerned about this supply crunch in diesel, as they should be, because this is piling further pressure on the worst inflation that anyone has seen in 40 years. diesel is what's used to power trucks and trains and boats and tractors, pretty much anything that hauls stuff around the economy. alarmed by soaring prices biden officials have begun consultations internally and externally what's going on. they are considering potentially tapping the northeast home heating oil reserve which despite its name holds an emergency stockpile of diesel. it's only been used in 2012 in the aftermath of hurricane superstorm sandy but the situation today like then is serious. the national average is at $5.55 a gallon, up 75% from a year ago. demand is strong, the war in ukraine has scrambled the supply of energy and also there has
been a lot of retirements of refineries so the system doesn't have as much firepower as it used to. the situation is worst than the northeast, the average in new york is a dollar higher than the national average, up more than 100% year over year. a senior white house official tells me, quote, the system is definitely at strain. >> the shipping costs ultimately get passed on to the consumer. matt egan, thank you for being with us. more than 100 confirmed or suspected cases of monkeypox have been reported in 12 countries including the u.s. yesterday president biden said, quote, everybody should be concerned about it. today while on his trip to asia he dialed that back. >> thus far there doesn't seem to be a need for any kind of extra -- extra effort beyond what's going on. and so i just don't think it rises to the level of the kind
of concern that existed with covid-19 or -- and the smallpox vaccine works for it. but i think people should be careful. >> let's talk about this now with dr. william schaffner, infectious disease professor at vanderbilt university. okay, doctor, i wonder, the president's shift here in concern, does that track with how you view this disease? >> yes, brianna, it does. i think this is a matter of interest but not concern. you see this exotic virus that came out of central and west africa is spread slowly, it requires close contact, unlike covid which can spread very, very readily. so the public health authorities in europe and canada and now in the united states are going out and finding all the contacts of people who are currently infected, putting them under surveillance. i think we will have this under control in the next week or so. there will be a few more cases
before we lock it all up, but i think we've got this under control pretty much. >> so what are the symptoms? obviously there are the pox, the blisters, but what else should people be on the lookout for? >> well, it usually starts with high fever and then people get very -- a sense of feeling ill, they can be nauseated, they can develop swollen lymph glands and within a day or two the rash, this unsightful rash begins on the pace and extremities, it can involve the palms. it's a very distinctive disease and, as i say, it requires close contact, often skin to skin contact, some of these cases have been transmitted sexually. so it doesn't travel widely and rapidly the way covid does. >> okay. that is good news. separately speaking of covid i do want to ask you about pfizer just announcing that its vaccine
shows a, quote, strong immune response, high efficacy and favorable safety in children 6 months to under 5 years of age following the third dose. so the third dose, just to be clear here. how significant is this? >> well, it's very important. you and i and many other folks out there have been waiting for this because we have children, grandchildren out there who are eligible. this is a reduced dose, 1/10 the amount that older children and adults receive and it's three doses, right? so we're thinking of this as a three-dose vaccine, and the preliminary data acquired during the omicron era say it's actually 80% effective. we will want to look at that very carefully, but so far that's good news. >> i find it interesting, dr. scha schaffner, that this is a one tenth dose compared to the next
age group or compared to -- is it the adult version? you correct me if i'm wrong there. you could have, for instance n my family by the time my second child has this that will be 4 years old compared to what my other child who when he was 5 had, they are having a fraction, just a fraction of what the other dose was. do you think that's going to change in the future so that this is a little more normalized for age? >> well, i think the companies, the vaccine scientists, have been very careful to try by age to adjust the dose so you get a good effect with a minimum of side effects and they've done it very carefully age by age. so i think your pediatrician once it's available, and it will take some time yet, will know exactly which vaccine to give to which child depending on their age. >> all right. okay. still waiting. still waiting, dr. schaffner.
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news channel have been pictured wearing face coverings in solidarity with their female colleagues. their show of support comes after the taliban sent notice ordering female presenters to cover their faces starting sunday. according to the network the taliban's ministry of vice and virtue said the order was final and not open for discussion. it's a decision the channel's director has described as sad and marks yet another way in which women's freedoms in afghanistan are being rolled back by the taliban. i'm clare sebastian in london. u.s. president biden repeated calls monday for opec to pump more oiling, piling pressure on the cartel as oil prices remain near 11-year highs. in an interview saudi arabia's energy minister said it would continue to work with russia which is part of opec plus to coordinate any production increases. so far the group has resisted demands to pump more and russian production has actually decreased in year because of western sanctions. while of course higher prices have propped up revenues.
i'm isa soares in london. in a show of public anti-war sentiment concertgoers in russia chapted and anti-war slogan at a punk rock show. at a kiss kiss concert in st. petersburg they were seen chanting eff the war. kiss kiss is a russian punk rock band which in the past has shared anti-war views on their social media. earlier this year the band postponed all concerts in march due to, quote, moral principles. the major news this morning speaking in tokyo president biden caught his advisers on guard when asked whether the united states would get involved militarily if china invaded taiwan. this is what he said. >> you didn't want to get involved in the ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan if it comes to that? >> yes.
>> you are? >> that's a commitment we made. we agree with the one china policy. we signed on to it, and all the attendant agreements made from there. but the idea that -- that it can be taken by force, just taken by force, is just not -- is just not appropriate. it will dislocate the entire region and be another action similar to what happened in -- in -- in ukraine. >> the white house has since said that its policy has not changed. joining me now is republican congressman michael mccaul of texas. he is the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee and he is in davos where president zelenskyy of ukraine just gave the keynote address at the world economic forum. congressman, i will ask you about that address because frankly this is all connected. but first i want your reaction to president biden's comments this morning. yes, he says, the u.s. would get involved militarily if china invades taiwan. >> well, i do think that's a
premature comment, off the cuff and everybody listens to the commander in chief, however, i think deterrence is important here, john. china needs to know if it invades taiwan, just like when putin invaded ukraine, there will be a response. i think that's why it's important we have a pacific command fleet there, also important we send our weapons to taiwan to defend itself. remember, taiwan controls about 90% of our advanced semi-conductor chip global capacity. it would be a disaster if president xi invaded taiwan. >> you said it's a premature comment and off the cuff, but the president of the united states just said yes, at some level the united states would get involved militarily, we don't know what that is. do you approve of that policy? >> i don't think the intelligence community would appreciate this remark. having said that, john, i personally kind of like it
because it does provide a deterrent message that we will defend taiwan. coming from the president it's very, very strong. i think china needs to understand that. that they can't take this lightly and that we're not going to sit back idly and watch them invade taiwan and the south china sea. just like with putin it's not a question of if but when he decides to do it. >> richard haass called what the president said this morning strategic clarity rather than strategic ambiguity, do you think that's fair? >> well, it's a very clear message. again, i think he got out in front of jake sullivan, his national security team and certainly the national security council, but, you know, i think sometimes speaking frank and straightforward is a good foreign diplomacy, foreign policy. china needs to understand what's at stake and that there will be consequences, right? he needs to hear this. >> so it's interesting, given where you are right now, you are
in davos for the world economic forum where president zelenskyy just addressed the forum there. and you served as our photographer, our man on the scene there. after president zelenskyy spoke he received a standing ovation from everyone but according to this picture you took the chinese delegation. explain to us what you saw. >> they were sitting right behind me, you know, zelenskyy gave as always a very powerful speech talking about brute force and time is of the essence and pulling the international community together to rally behind him. standing ovation after his speech with the exception of the chinese delegation who sat down through the entire standing o and then they proceeded to walk out after that picture that was taken by me actually, sending a clear message they do not support ukraine, they do not support zelenskyy and we know that president xi made this
unholy alliance in beijing at the olympics with mr. putin. they have blood on their hands and i don't think we can sit back idly and somehow, you know, let them off the hook for this. i think that picture, john, speaks -- you know, it speaks 1,000 words, that picture speaks volumes. >> i was going to say what do you think it tells you about china, their policy not just toward ukraine, but maybe chinese ideas on the rest of the world? >> well, it shows as their unholy alliance with putin showed a demonstrable aggression against the west, against nato. that putin will support china if they invade taiwan, just as china has supported russia in their invasion of ukraine. this is not world war ii anymore. that was my father's war. this is not supposed to be happening at this time, this decade. history -- the world is watching, history will judge us by our actions and i do think
these dictators will go down in history, certainly putin, as a war criminal and anybody associated with him as contributing to war crimes. >> congressman, i do want to ask you you've been very supportive of the effort to get ukraine all the help that they want and can use in their battle against russia. by some accounts the ukrainian efforts have gone very well, they forced the russians from kyiv, looks like they're forcing them from kharkiv now, but if you look at the map it is clear the russians do occupy a fair amount of territory, particularly in eastern ukraine at this point. what do you think it would take? is it realistic at this point to expects that the ukrainians will be able to get the russians out? >> well, you know, general mckenzie commander told me the will of the ukrainian people is far stronger than the will of the russian soldier. the morale is terrible in the russian army and, you know, we were told this would all be over, john, in four days, and
that's what putin thought as well. that didn't happen because the ukrainian people fight. we were giving them right as i speak the most high tech weaponry that we have to fight this asymmetric war. really russia fights a world war ii style with large tanks, we're giving them equipment like these lethal drones with a payload on them that can blow up tanks and armored personnel that they can't stop. so the more we can give to them -- and that's what zelenskyy asked for once again. he said i wish i had had these weapons sooner. and i called for these to be put in country before the invasion, not after, but now we are where we are and we need to give them everything we can to help them win. their goal, though, is to take donbas, mariupol, crimea all the way to odesa and choke off the black sea from ukraine and starve the ukrainian people just like -- not unlike what stalin did many decades ago to the ukrainian people. >> congressman michael mccaul
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until such time as you publicly repudiate your advocacy for the legitimacy of abortion and confess and receivables pollution of this grave sin in the sacrament of penance. joining us now to discuss is the host of the catholic channel on sirius xm katie mcgrady. i'm so glad to have you on to talk about this today. i wonder what you think about this, especially considering that catholic congregants themselves are very split on the issue of legalized abortion. >> yeah, it is definitely -- i will call it what i think a lot of catholics think at this moment, it's a little awkward to see some of this play out, even if the archbishop is certainly justified in his perspective and in what he has done. you know, as usual, there is a lot of nuance to these things and context. i think the archbishop has every right and, in fact, it's his duty to guide and to lead catholics in the living of their faith.
in the private life that we live and of course in the public perspective, nancy pelosi is a very public person, she is the speaker of the house and in a very public catholic, she has said her devout catholic faith leads and sad surprises her. she gave a speech where she justified her first of abortion with her catholic understanding of free will. in context of what she has said about her faith and the perspective she has taken politically on abortion the archbishop's hands were tied, he had to say something. as he said has publicly his conscience has been formed to the point where he felt it was necessary to past orally reach out to her, this is not a punishment, this is a reach tout say until these things have happened i don't know that you are in a state of grace to receive communion. >> doesn't this put the archbishop at odds at least thematically with pope francis who has said communion is not the reward of saints but the bread of sinners. and the pope has called joe biden who has largely the same
position on abortion as nancy pelosi a good catholic. >> that's a great question. you know, pope francis has said that he has never denied anyone communion. he also has said that abortion is the gravest evil of our time and this is not an issue we can mince words on. the communion that we believe, the eucharist, the source and summit of our faith, the most important thing as catholics that we can receive it's not a prize but the confessional is also not a courtroom. at archbishop has invited nancy pelosi to come to confession and to talk to him so that he can understand where she's coming from, so she can understand where he was coming from. this is actually an invitation i think to dialogue not just a condemnation of perspective and belief. it is an opportunity and chance for continued discussion on why do you believe what you believe, how can we reconcile that with the very clear cut catholic teaching but also a human issue. it's not just a religious thing to believe that abortion is a grave evil. i do think that the archbishop
has gone maybe one step further than we would have seen other bishops or the pope do, but we know that pope francis has been very clear about the grave evil of abortion and i do wonder if there was a politician in rome who was actively saying i'm going to codify abortion into federal law, the pope would probably have to step in in a different way. that's of course a situational hypothetical, but i don't think that their perspectives are at odds, no. >> is he an outlier in a way as a messenger? when you think of this archbishop this is someone who despite the pope saying getting a vaccine, a covid vaccine is an act of love, this is an archbishop who has not gotten the covid vaccine despite the fact that a huge percentage of catholics have gone ahead and gotten the vaccine. i mean, what does that say to you about maybe the kind of messenger he is and the kind of arguments that he weighs into? >> you know, i think that truth
is truth regardless of who is saying it and, sure, there have been some perspectives that the archbishop we would not agree on, the covid vaccine being one of them but i think a lot of catholics do agree and are from the perspective of abortion is a whole different thing. it's the taking of an innocent life. regardless of what he has said on other issues or other perspectives that he has there have been a lot of bishops that have spoken up in the past weekend just over the 72 hours since this happened that have expressed his support for what he has said, that have also said they will take a look at perhaps some of the legislatures that they are under their particular purview and whether or not those politicians have said things as extreme. i think he is an outlier in the sense that he's very outspoken and a lot of times in our church our bishops are not as outspoken as i think some catholics would like them to be, but i don't think he is alone in this opinion and in this understanding of, again, a pastoral reach out.
nancy pelosi presenting herself for communion is a scandal in what she has said. >> that's always a fascinating conversation with you, katie. i will note according to pelosi's office she did receive the sacrament, i believe, this weekend in georgetown at the holy trinity catholic church there. >> i didn't know that. >> it seems like perhaps this is a rule in a way that will be enforced in some places but not others. obviously not all catholics and not all catholic leaders in agreement on this. katie mcgrady, always great to have you, thank you so much. >> thao. appreciate it. so how far did the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas go to push baseless election fraud claims? we have new reporting this morning. and later, the primary proxy war in georgia. mike pence set to rally for governor brian kemp, one of trump's top republican targets this midterm election season. cnn is live in georgia ahead of the primary.
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an independent panel finds southern baptist convention leaders mishandled allegations of sexual abuse, intimidated victims and resisted any attempts at reform. attorney at law, laura jarrett joins me with this. this report went way further than a lot of people were expecting. >> yeah, the story in the report starts like this, resistance, stonewalling and even outright hostility. it's a disturbing pattern over a 20-year period, women and children came forward with their claims of abuse against male pastors or other church officials only to be shut down repeatedly. it's all outlined in this new report running nearly 300 pages about the southern baptist convention, the largest denomination here in the united states. among the more troubling findings in the reports, official church staff actually maintained a detailed list of the ministers that had been accused of abuse for more than a decade but no one took action to
make sure those people were no longer in positions of power. investigators have now found at least nine people remain connected to active ministry in the church. also, victims and their advocates who did come forward were cast aside as internal emails show church leadership called them, quote, opportunistic. part of the reason for all this resistance, concern over legal liability. executives not only fought initiatives that might actually help investigate all these claims, but when it came to another report on abuse within this same group, leaders suggested changes like removing the word crisis. in a statement the convention said in part, quote, we are grieved by the findings of this investigation. we are committed to doing all we can to prevent future instances of sexual abuse in churches, to improve our response and our care, and to remove reporting roadblocks. the report also outlines a bunch of recommendations you might expect, like background checks, improves reporting. also suggests limiting the use
of nondisclosure agreements. something you used to see to shut down victims who want to tell their story but, perhaps, of a settlement can't. >> southern baptist who welcomed this report said it went further and was even worse than they thought it would be. laura jarrett, thank you. "new day" continues right now. hello, i'm brianna keilar on this "new day." president biden throwing military support behind taiwan and comments that caught his own administration offguard. and the divide between former president biden and former president mike pence deepening. cnn exclusive reporting on why one russian officer says he risked it all to quit putin's war. and a dramatic race to rescue in california when a man is found clinging to the edge of a steep cliff. a crew member, as part of that incredible save, joins "new
day". good morning to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this morning, president biden is making unexpected headlines in tokyo. in a way it's even breaking news for his top aides. the president was asked if the united states would, quote, get involved militarily if china were to invade taiwan. this is the exchange. >> you didn't want to get involved in the ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan if it comes to that? >> yes. >> are you? >> that's the commitment we made. we agree with the one china policy. we signed onto it. and all the attendant agreements made from there. but the idea that it can be
taken by force, just taken by force, is just not appropriate. it will dislocate the entire region and be another action similar to what happened in ukraine. >> the united states already provides defensive weapons to taiwan and has previously maintained what it calls strategic ambiguity about intervening militarily in the event of a chinese attack. the comments this morning seemed a little less ambiguous, though, as to whether they were strategic, cnn has learned the president's comments caught his top aides by surprise. they're already issuing some clarifications this morning. beijing issued a response a short time ago as well. >> cnn chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins traveling with the president. she joins us live from tokyo with the president's statement, the white house response, and where we are exactly now, kaitlan. >> reporter: yeah, it's quite a statement from president biden. it came right at the end of that
press conference he was holding with the japanese prime minister. and he basically bluntly said that the u.s. is not going to stand by if china were to take action to try to invade taiwan. that is notable because the white house had been clear that that is not something they wanted to see happen. they urged china against using force in taiwan, but they have not explicitly laid out what would happen should china do so. i think the context is so important because, of course, this comes amid russia's invasion of ukraine and the questions about what implications there are for that on a global level, what that looks like and what that means. and i think that's what president biden was speaking to when he was talking about this. i think the distinction is important. we've seen time and time again, the president says the u.s. will not put boots on the ground in ukraine. he doesn't want it to become this direct fight between the united states and russia. and where he is drawing a difference here when it comes to taiwan is the president is saying he would respond militarily should china try to
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