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kind of foreshadowing this carnage that he was about to inflict. he then goes to his grandmother's house where he was living with his grandparents, and that is less than a quarter mile from where we are here at robb elementary. authorities today say that that is where he shot his grandmother in the head and then from there went directly, got in her truck and started driving to robb elementary, crashing that car in a ditch before going inside. what we have learned today, more specifically, jake, on the timeline, is that ramos approached the school. he was engaged in the words of investigators, by a school campus officer just outside. we're told that no shots were fired at that moment, but that officer wasn't able to keep ramos from entering the school. ramos, the 18-year-old suspect, then went inside the school, barricaded himself in a classroom, and that is where he started firing on the students and the teachers inside. and that is the scene we're told
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by investigators today, jake, lasted 40 to 60 minutes, from the moment he was engaged with the officer outside the school to the moment that a border patrol agent shot and killed ramos inside the school building, that that took almost an hour. so you can imagine what a horrific scene that was inside that school for the dozens of children and teachers that were inside. >> yeah, there's a lot of questions about that timeline. but ed, we just heard from the shooter's grandfather, i understand. >> yes, we were out in the neighborhood where investigators and fbi agents have been combing the neighborhood around where ramos' grandparents live. the grandmother is still in a san antonio hospital. we understand she's 66 years old, still in critical condition. she was able to -- she was shot in the face, we're told, and was able to walk across the street and get a neighbor to call for help. that's how she was airlifted to a hospital in san antonio. but that woman is still hanging
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on to life. but her husband, grandfather, came out and spoke with reporters briefly. this is a little bit of what he told us this afternoon. >> regarding the boy, what can you tell us about your grandson? did you ever know he had firearms? no, i didn't know. if i had known, i would have reported him. >> so a great deal of confusion, especially in this suspect's family history. we spoke with one neighbor who knows the grandparents rather well, and he told us that ramos comes from a very difficult family situation. a lot of issues with relationships within his family. but investigators here after learning all of this information and piecing together parts of the timeline here, jake, still outstanding question we don't know much about is ultimately what was the motive in this case. >> ed lavlavendera, thank you. >> let's bring in texas state senator, democrat roland
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gutierrez, he represented the 19th district which blankets southwestern texas. you're joining us now from uvalde. what are you hearing from the residents there? >> jake, i mean, everybody is just heartbroken. i have no words to describe the feelings here. last night, when i was here watching the families as they were identified through dna match, you could imagine the necessity for that. the carnage was such that the bodies were just unidentifiable. as they came out one at a time, learning of their children's fate, a kind of pain and sorrow that i as a parent, i could never, ever want to imagine or feel. my heart goes out to the people of uvalde. it's so sad. >> i remember being in colorado right after columbine, and the feeling of despair and grief was almost palpable. it was like it was in the air. you could feel how sad people
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were and how devastated they were. it sounds like that's what's going on in uvalde right now. what does the community need? >> so, jake, i'm here to do exactly that, make sure that we're getting all of the state services at this community's behest. we're in rural texas. there are no psychiatrists here. there's very few psychologists, very few counsellors. i'm asking people from san antonio to come. the government, the state government is now bringing counselors through, health and human services department, and so we're hoping that we can make sure that we have the resources that people need, and mostly at this point, it's health care, mental health care. make sure that we have enough counselors for these kids. their parents, their survivors, and really the community at large. >> your fellow state senator, john whitmer, was briefed by police last night. he says that the shooter bought 375 rounds of ammunition.
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375. investigators say he dropped a backpack full of magazines near the back of the school, brought seven 30-round magazines into the school. i guess one question that people might have is why is it allowed that somebody could buy that much ammunition? >> those are the important questions, jake. you know, we have a governor that showed up earlier and kind of repeat of sutherland springs, a repeat of santa fe, of el paso. just evil and mental health. i get that those things are important, but we have to do something to where young men don't have access to these types of weapons we only see in a military context. that has to be what comes of this particular event. we say this all the time. i can't do this anymore. can't do more of the same. >> i hear you. i'm emotionally taxed from covering these things. i can't imagine what it's like to be on the ground as a sledge
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slach laegislator. there are reports that this man comes from a troubled situation. police have been to his house before. one friend of his, i read a description of him using a knife to carve his face. this might be an area where there could be movement on the red flag laws. it sounds like this is an individual who should not have been allowed to purchase a gun, even though he had no mental health or criminal record before he did this horrific act. >> in 2019, i filed a red flag bill. went nowhere in the house. in 2021, it made it to the senate. filed, the republicans filed their open carry bill. in a very foreboding speech i gave, i said because of this bill, children are going to die. and i can't believe that my words have come to pass, and i can't believe they have come to pass in my own community.
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my own district. it is just disheartening where we are. i need people to understand that these are weapons that are military style weapons. this isn't -- look, i'm a hunter. i own guns. i own rifles. but nothing like what this young man and others like him have used in this country. when are we going to stop this madness? and when are republicans going to stand up to the nra and do what needs to be done on militarized weaponry? >> i don't have an answer for you. state senator from texas, democrat roland gutierrez, thank you so much. and best wishes to you. >> thank you, jake. >> how does the law in texas work? when an 18-year-old goes to buy an ar-15? we'll take look at that next. >> and we're learning more about the lives the gunman took. a fourth grader who wanted to grow up and go to law school, just like her mom. a 10-year-old who loved baseball
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more on our national lead. texas has seen eight mass shootings over the last 13 years. eight including the ft. hood shooting in 2019, 13 people were killed. the shooting at the sutherland springs baptist church in 2017, 26 people were killed. santa fe high school in 2018, 10 were killed. in 2019, the shooting at the walmart in el paso, 23 people killed.
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cnn's nick watt examines the laws in texas now and around the country that allow an 18-year-old to purchase an ar-15. >> 19 small children slaughtered by a gunman not much older than they were. he was the legal owner of two ar-15 style rifles. >> they are assault rifles. the first thing he did when he turned 18. >> a week ago, a day after his 18th birthday, he bought a rifle, according to the local state senator. next day, 375 rounds of ammunition. two days after that, a second rifle. four days later, shot 19 kids and 2 adults dead. this killer couldn't legally buy a beer, too immature, but could legally buy weapons of war. >> maybe we could at least agree we should raise the age for purposing these weapons. >> unlikely. just last year, lawmakers
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lowered to 18 the age some texans can get a handgun license. for rifles, texas law mirrors federal. 18 and up, you can buy one of these after just a basic background check. but from an unlicensed dealer or at a gun show, no check required. here, in liberal leaning california, the legal age to buy assault style rifles was upped to 21 in 2019. struck down two weeks ago, back to 18. why? america would not exist without the heroism of the young adults who fought and died in our revolutionary army, wrote judge ryan nelson today. we reaffirm that our constitution still protects the right that enabled their sacrifice. the right of young adults to keep and bear arms. so 18-year-olds in california can buy semiautomatic weapons today, in part because teenage soldiers died carrying single-shot muskets in a war
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more than 200 years ago. >> stronger gun laws save lives. weaker gun laws cause crime and violence. the data is in. we need our lawmakers to act. >> this latest tragedy in texas is very far from an isolated instance of a legally armed teenage attacker. just 11 days ago, an 18-year-old white supremacist gunned down 13 people in a predominantly black neighborhood of buffalo, new york. also armed with a semiautomatic weapon that he was also legally allowed to buy and own. and of course, jake, what just happened in uvalde brings back memories for all of us of what happened in sandy hook, connecticut, nearly ten years ago now. 20 kids and 6 adults killed there. also by a teen-aged gunman, also armed with an ar-15 that was bought legally. in the aftermath of sandy hook, connecticut changed some laws,
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maly around magazines for these type of rifles. will texas make any changes now? unlikely. last summer, when governor abbott was making it basically easier for texans to carry, he said this. texas will always be the leader in defending the second amendment. and that press conference earlier today, seemed in no mood for any change. jake. >> nick watt, thanks so much. >> coming up next, 24 hours after the massacre in uvalde, texas, and what we're learning about the victims. stay with us.
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victims in uvalde were when the gunman entered their fourth grade classroom and shot them and killed them. fourth graders. kids that age, they're still losing their baby teeth. they're just starting to learn long division and fractions. they still like hugs from their parents. hugs that will only be memories for the parents of 19 children in uvalde now. last night, those parents had to give investigators dna swabs so their children could be identified. families openly sobbed, attempted to comfort one another. trying to make sense of it all, figure out what to do next. cnn's lucy kafanov reports on the lives lost in yesterday's shooting. >> they are the faces of the future lost to a nation's violent present. a fourth grader full of energy, his father said, ready to play till the night. a 10-year-old who loved football and video games. a little girl who wanted to go
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to law school, just like her mother. >> my baby. >> lexi rubio's family overcome as they recall her sweetness, and to plea that her life has impact. >> all we can hope is she's just not a number. >> lexi is one of 19 children whose parents held on to help that they would hold their little girl once again. amerie jo garza's father angel wrote on facebook, it's been seven hours and i still haven't heard anything on my love. please, help me find my daughter. this morning, the heartbreaking update. she's been found. my little love is now flying high with the angels above, garza wrote. please don't take a second for granted. hug your family. tell them you love them. i love you, amerie jo. 10-year-old xavier lopez had a smile, his mother says she'll never forget. he was among the honor roll students who attended an awards ceremony the morning of the shooting. >> as i look at their pictures you can tell by their angelic
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smile that they were loved. that they loved coming to school. and they were just precious individuals. >> the community also mourning two teachers. eva mireles loved running, biking, and being with her family. undoubtedly, her family says she died protecting others. >> she was a vivacious soul. she spread laughter and joy everywhere she went. >> these two teachers, i would say, are the cornerstone of that campus to some great degree. they were two beautiful souls. >> mireles' daughter writing an open letter to her mother. i am so happy that people know your name and that they know what a hero looks like. i want to thank you, mom, for being such an inspiration to me. i will forever be proud to be your daughter. my sweet mommy, i will see you again. tomorrow was supposed to be the last day of school, jake. the families in our story were
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supposed to be planning summer vacations. now they are planning funerals. others are anxiously awaiting word about their injured loved ones. we are outside of the university hospital here in san antonio. four patients arriving yesterday evening. three little girls and one 66-year-old woman believed to be the shooter's grandmother. a 9-year-old and a 10-year-old are listed in good condition. the 66-year-old and another 10-year-old arrived in critical condition yesterday. they were downgraded to serious condition today but still fighting for their lives. jake. >> lucy kafanov, thank you for that report. >> may all those victims' memories be a blessing. we'll be right back. build a complete financial p plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfpfp® profession. ♪
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. in our national lead, it is a uniquely american problem. it is a uniquely american shame. tuesday's shooting at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas, marks at least the 30th shooting at a k-12 school just
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this year. that's according to a cnn analysis. we're joined now by somebody who regrettably knows what a mass shooting at school is like all too well. cameron caseky you first met after the shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland in 2018. that's of course when an armed gunman murdered 17 students and faculty. he's now an advocate against gun violence among many other pursuits. cameron, really good to see you again. you know first-hand what the families and kids at robb elementary are going through today. what's it like for you to continually see more people forced to experience this type of situation, knowing that so little has changed since parkland? >> this shooting is certainly unique because so many of the family members and so many of the people in the community are undocumented and border patrol,
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i. i.c.e., are very often at the scene of these kinds of crimes and i fear for undocumented individuals in texas who are going to have to pay another uniquely american price on top of questioning whether or not their children are still breathing. unfortunately, when something like this happens in a state like texas, of course, the first thing we can point to is the tact that texas basically markets itself as a state that proudly has gun laws that are so -- that proudly doesn't have many gun laws at all. but undocumented individuals are going to suffer. people are going to continue to suffer. and you know, things have changed since parkland. the parkland shooting, people knew the names of the victims, and the selfish part of me says thank god. people knew the names of the victims. they knew the names of the survivors and activists. now, i can't remember every shooting that's happened in the past 48 hours. so it's a catch-22. you tell people to vote every time there's a shooting and voting for democrats will make
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things better and the shootings continue. oe on the other hand, when i see texas, the other thing in my mind is they better elect beto. just telling people just vote your way out of this, it's kind of bogus, but on the other hand, greg abbott winning is really, really bad, and o'rourke would at least make some sorment of attempt to make substantial change. >> cameron, you were critical of president biden's address to the nation last night. you said you wanted to hear the words, executive order, but instead you heard what you called essentially thoughts and prayers. what executive action would you like to see president biden take to try to address the gun violence crisis in the u.s.? >> well, the natural response that everybody has to that, which is correct, is what deal can he pass, what executive order can he pass without it getting knocked down by these trump judges? and my perspective is that we need to be setting a presiceden
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where the president of the united states is strongly advocating for these things. where the president of the united states is using the bully pulpit in a way to help people. joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who are so rarely called out by name are kneecapping an administration's agenda that was set out in 2020. it was going to help a lot of people. it may not have been the agenda who young people who tend to lean more aggressive would have voted for, but there was plenty in it that we would have wanted to see, and now it's 2022, the democrats have a midterm election coming up, things are not looking good for anyone, and president biden's statement is about how sad this all is. i don't want to diminish the unbelievable emotional pain that not only these people are going through, but also joe biden has endured on his own, but this is a political matter about the president of the united states establishing a precedent where we tackle these issues in a substantial way. and in my personal opinion, which is my personal opinion, we
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didn't hear enough about action in that speech. we only heard about how sad this is. >> "washington post" has been tracking how many children have been exposed to gun violence in school hours since the 1999 columbine high massacre, which i guess took place before you were born. they count more than 311,000 kids and 311 schools have gone through what you went through at parkland to one degree or another. 311,000 kids. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is the republicans during campaign season this year are going to be talking a lot about police deaths and they're going to be pinning police deaths on peaceful protesters around the country, when more children have now died, i'm almost certain, i believe i read this last night when i was preparing to speak with anderson, more children have died now this year in schools than police have died in the line of duty.
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and the top reason -- the top cop killing thing this year has been covid. so more children in schools are being killed, excuse me, more children are being killed ed scl than officers in the line of duty, and republicans about to successfully sway a lot of american voters into believing the problems we need to deal with are cop deaths and things like that. meanwhile, the bodies continue to pile up in school hall ways and democrats and republicans alike are letting this cycle continue. so what is the inflection point? what is the boiling point? we were speaking in 2018 when everybody was dead convinced parkland was the one where we were going to be able to make this happen? am i going to be sending my children if there's any living beings that are unfortunate enough to have me as a father to school and not knowing if they're coming back? are we going to fix this? >> you'll be a great dad, cameron. thanks so much for joining us. today. appreciate it. >> coming up, he's come the
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but what's republican eric early's passion? early wants to bring trump-style investigations on election fraud to california, and early says he'll end obamacare and guard against the growing socialist communist threat. eric early. too extreme, too conservative for california. on capitol hill, democrats are pushing for gun reform. republicans generally speaking do not appear to be onboard. joining us now is senator pat toomey, republican from the great commonwealth of pennsylvania. senator, thanks for joining us. you senate colleague joe manchin called on the senate to pass bipartisan red flag laws or expanded background checks, as our viewers probably recall, you worked with manchin on legislation to expand background checks at gun shows a few years
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ago. is that the legislation that could come to the floor, and are there nine other republicans that could support it? >> well, that's the big question, jake. thanks for having me on. look, i still strongly believe that the idea that joe manchin and i had that requiring background checks on all commercial sales of firearms is a completely reasonable policy that does not infringe on second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. and we did have a bipartisan vote, but of course, we couldn't get to 60. there's a group of us who are going to get together and discuss this and see if we might be able to get to 60 with anything close to that. there has also been some discussion about red flag legislation, the concept is kind of broadly appealing, but the details are really, really tough. so that's a discussion, both of those are discussions that are
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effectively under way. >> neither -- well, it's unclear about red flag laws, obviously, the specifics. but certainly the gun show loophole closure would not have affected this particular tragedy in texas. he bought the guns legally, after he turned 18. there are some people out there, democrats mainly, who say an 18-year-old is not considered responsible enough to buy a beer. why are we allowing them to purchase an ar-15? what do you make of that argument? >> i hear that argument. on the other hand, an 18-year-old is considered responsible enough to lose his or her life in the defense of this country. responsible enough to cast a vote that decides the future of the country. can hold office, many offices in this country. so it's a hard thing to say. but sorry, you don't have the right to defend yourself, you don't have the second amendment right. and by the way, the ninth circuit court has recently ruled
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in a california case that that constitutional right does begin at age 18. so i think that's very problematic. can i just say, this goes to the heart of the difficulty, and i think it was missing frankly in the arguments made by the previous guest that you had, and that is there's no easy solution to this, jake. there's not. i still strongly support expanding background checks because i think on the margins it will be helpful to make it more difficult for someone who is dangerously mentally ill or a dangerous criminal to purchase a firearm. but as you pointed out, had manchin/toomey been the law of the land, this guy still would have be able to buy the guns. so there's no easy solution here. we have got a huge mental health problem in this country. that's the common denominator in these cases. i'm in favor of doing what makes sense that still respects the rights of law-abiding citizens,
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but we shouldn't kid ourselves about there being some simple bill that solves this problem. >> the former senate majority leader republican senator bill frist, tweeted today, quote, firearms became the leading cause of death for american children and teenages in 2020. i cannot imagine this is what the founding fathers hoped for or intended. key can find ways to preserve the intent of the second amendment while also safeguarding the lives of our children. our kids have a right to feel safe going to school. the time to act is now. he seems to be suggesting there that the second amendment as enshrined in the constitution -- i don't want to put words in his mouth, but he seems to be saying this is not what the founding fathers hoped or intended, what do you say to that? >> look, the founding fathers certainly didn't intend for these completely deranged homicidal individuals to go into a school and start starting children.
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i'm quite certain they didn't intend that. but they did know that crime existed. crime existed at that time. they did know criminals like use weapons. that happened at that time as well. so this is a really challenging problem. again, i still fully support sensible reforms that senator manchin and i agreed on years ago, and we did get a bipartisan vote for. i'm just cautioning everyone to understand that there's a real serious mental health problem at the heart of this, and that's a heart one to solve. >> senator pat toomey of pennsylvania, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> could the tragedy in uvalde change the tone on guns at the nra's big conference in texas this week? we'll get to that next.
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. in our politics ls lead, th texas school massacre changed the conversation even before we started counting vote in yesterday's primaries but the results are significant, responsible for former president trump's goal to be the kingmaker. brian kemp beat david perdue. brad raffensperger beat joedy hice whom trump endorsed. jeff zeleny joins us from georgia. the devil went down to georgia but did not do that well. >> did not do that well at all. there's no question former president donald trump has been obsessed about georgia, as we have been saying here for weeks. and we have seen for more than a year, but it didn't respond --
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voters simply rejected the advice he was giving them, the orders he was giving them. it was that landslide victory for republican governor brian kemp over former senator david perdue that told the story. the margin of victory, surprised, i'm told, even many people inside the kemp campaign. won with 74%, more than 50 points difference separated the kemp campaign from david perdue. it was simply a trouncing. the biggest win that we have seen so far this year, but jake, perhaps the secretary of state race was even more important than that. brad raffensperger who famously was on the other end of that phone call when president trump at the time asked him to find more votes down in georgia. he also won last night and avoided a runoff. getting much stronger support across the state in urban areas and rural areas than jody hice, who trump urged to get in the race. the bottom line to all of this, while republicans still are fond for the policies of the trump administration, they're not following his lead on
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endorsements. and georgia was exhibit a of that. >> they don't seem to be as obsessed with 2020 as he is. in alabama -- >> looking forward. >> in alabama, the establishment candidate was forced into a runoff, but she ran well ahead of congressman mo brooks whom trump endorsed and then took it back. so what's going on there? >> well, look, there is going to be a second act to this race in alabama, but mo brooks, he received the endorsement, he was happy to do it. he was at trump's side during the days of january 6th. but then he also saw that trump is not necessarily as loyal as people are to him, so that endorsement was rescinded. he had a bounceback in recent weeks so he's going to go into a runoff election. katie britt almost got 50% but did not quite get that. she's a former aide to retiring senator richard shelby here. we'll keep our eye on that in the runoff race coming up next
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month. >> quickly if you could, pennsylvania's acting secretary of state this afternoon announced there's going to be a recount in the republican senate primary between mehmet oz whom trump endorsed and dave mccormick. >> right, and dr. oz is up 902 votes out of 2 million votes cast. that's why there's a recount. oz has been leading since election night. we'll see if the recount is going to overturn that, but 902 votes, a sliver of a sliver, jake. >> jeff, thanks so much. let's discuss the implications of this. do you think trump is going to endorse brian kemp? because he actually said at one point that between stacey abrams and brian kemp, stacey abrams the democrat running against him, he didn't know who was worse. >> i think it probably depends on which side of the bed he wakes up. he said his net worth depends on his mood, so making predictions is silly. i think at this point, the way
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to think about trump is that he's the leader of a faction within the republican party and not necessarily the leader of the entire republican party. he's had good endorsements, bad endorsements, but like the power of incincumbency has been important. so scoring even on good for trump, bad for trump, misses the dynamics going on in the republican party. >> what do you make of it? >> i think brian kemp, and i hope stacey abrams beats him, but i think brian kemp created a path for republican electeds across the country which is you don't really have to talk about donald trump to be a republican politician. and the ones who talk about him the most show the most fear, end up looking the weakest, and i think republicans, if they're smart, are going to try to move on from that and essentially take the fear out of separating themselves from his crazy. >> i don't want to dwell too much on it, because i think you're right.
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the georgia governor's race, abrams/kemp rematch is a huge, probably the most important race in the country, maybe one of the closest races. but david perdue was a sitting united states senator until january 2021. he lost by 52 points with the endorsement of -- i agree, but probably the most popular person still in the republican party f you had to name them. >> tallest skyscraper in topeka. >> fair enough. >> that's a remarkable -- >> he got clobbered. >> in a state that donald trump, if you had to list all of the states that donald trump talked the most about, the biggest problems, the elected officials were the worst in that state. it was georgia. he actually even gave money, gave a bunch of money to a super pac supporting david perdue.
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i guess i'm just surprised. i would never thought david perdue loses any race in georgia by 50 -- >> the reason they were fighting is because donald trump lost georgia. so i mean, that's -- >> yeah, but to lose by 52 points. >> he's a sitting u.s. senator who barely lost his race to yawn ossoff. >> and let's remind people, he was trailing in the polls by 30 points, and perdue said i'm not going to lose by 30 points. he was correct. he was correct. >> and to your point, one republican who is close to the former president of the united states told me is the worst campaign they may have ever seen in their entire life. with david pursue, so really casting the blame on the candidate rather than putting the blame on the former president of the united states, but i'm also told that, look, it was a pure grudge endorsement. he just did not want kemp to win. it was not about the strength he thought that david perdue could essentially have in this race. so when you look forward, about whether or not he would tendors
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kemp, no word on that yet, but when you look at the senate race, you have the herschel walker senate race. so no doubt, this is going to be closely watched. >> as long as democrats can repeat in 2024 a georgia win, i don't know, but you do have to look at states like ohio, where trump has made a difference in the primary. and pennsylvania, where trump has made a difference in the primary. and those states are real swing states, and both the midterms and in the presidential election. so you know, this guy is not going away, but i think the message is that he is not the entire party. you can win around him. >> you can make the argument his senate picks have been much better than his gubernatorial picks. herschel walker, he cleared the field, he won. >> he's also herschel walker. >> a heisman trophy winner, but that's going to be a tough race. dr. oz, at least as of now, is ahead in pennsylvania. that's also going to be a tough race against the lieutenant
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governor fetterman. >> part of the lesson there is if it's open fields where there isn't an incumbent, his endorsement matters more, particularly if it's a crowded field, if his endorsement gives you five points or six points or ten points like it did with vance, it matters more. incumbents have incredible power to hold on. kemp just locked up the state in a masterful way to the point where the power of his incumbency is greater than the power of endorsement. >> the senate has nationalized messaging and nationalized elections. when it's gubernatorial, it may be more about local politics. >> just to return to the point joe made about faction. donald trump is a faction, and john king made it on the air before, and it's important to keep remembering, what you're looking at generally speaking is when donald trump endorses just from net zero, you're in the mid to high 30s. >> yeah. you got a third of the republican party base locked up. that's him. >> that's it. that can be good enough. >> for j.d. vance it was.
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for dr. oz at least as of now. >> he's literally at 31.2%. the question is, in a situation like brian kemp, i would argue, david perdue underperformed even that sort of baseline 33% of donald trump. i don't know if it's a 1 v. 1 if he's capable of lifting you up to 50 plus 1, even in a republican primary. >> in the senate race in georgia, what's also unique about this -- >> warnock versus walker. >> you had mitch mcconnell who was on the same side as trump. the republican party had essentially united behind herschel walker who has extremely high name i.d. in that state, number one. number two, because that primary was not as competitive as it could have been, he's not particularly been tested ye yet as a candidate. neither has warnock because the general election in georgia was so short last time, he really
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only had to campaign for a few months. it will be interesting to see those two candidates go up against one another in the state of georgia. particularly in the conditions that we're seeing now, which are generally good for republicans, but again, warnock is the incumbent. >> it's also true that walker hasn't faced a challenge. >> there's going to be -- i mean, there's a lot there. we know there's a lot there. does it move people off, hey, that's herschel walker, uga, football star, heisman trophy winner? we don't know that, but there's certainly a lot there that if it was a traditional candidate, you would say, that's going to be -- the oppo research book is big. >> you think he can win, though? >> i think he can win. it's a republican year, and warnock is to the left of the electorate in a way that it would be good for the republicans, but the potential for self-destruction from walker is there. >> warnock is such a decent guy,
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