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all around the world, it is thursday, may 26th. i'm john berman live in uvalde, texas. brianna keilar is in washington. behind me is the robb elementary school where 19 children and two teachers were killed. i want to show you what happened here overnight. behind me is this new memorial, you can see flowers, you can see balloons and now just over the last few hours you can see crosses, one for each of the victims killed here. each life taken. 19 of them, of course. just children in the fourth grade, two of them teachers who were in there trying to save their lives. there was a vigil last night where the community here came together, it's a small town just over 15,000 people, and so many people we talked to have connections to the victims.
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tesberi mata was hoping to go to bravo. nevaeh bravo also 10. these are the stories that you will hear this morning. a fourth grade teacher who sacrificed herself protecting the children, a grieving father who found out his daughter died trying to save her classmates. today the bodies of the victims who have not yet been released will be to the families, to funeral homes, for arrangements. >> we do have new details about how this mass shooting unfolded. the 18-year-old shooter was on school grounds for up to an hour before law enforcement shot and killed him. moments before his deadly attack he apparently sent a series of chilling text messages to a girl in germany that he had met online. an officer also confronted the shooter, but he still managed to get inside the building, dropping a bag full of ammunition before entering. we will have more on that
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investigation ahead. and president biden is expected to travel to uvalde here in the coming days to meet with victims' families. >> joining me now is adrienne broaddus. you have new details about these victims. >> yes, we're hearing more about the victims who survived and the deceased victims, of course. among the deceased, a 10-year-old, she turned 10 earlier this month, and her father says she wanted a cellphone. she was gifted a cellphone for her birthday and earlier this week she used that cellphone to call 911, trying to save her classmates. >> for those who lost little children, pray for them. >> reporter: a community grieving after 19 children and two adults were gunned down at robb elementary school tuesday. this is the scene at a vigil held last night for the victims as the community grapples with
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this senseless tragedy. the children who witnessed it trying to come to terms with what they saw, one-third grader describes the terror. >> everybody was scared. we were all panicking because we didn't know what was really happening and we were all hiding behind a stage in the cafeteria when it happened. >> reporter: this has 21 families grieving the loss of loved ones. 10-year-old lexi rubio had just celebrated making the honor roll earlier tuesday. her parents, felix and kimberly, were so proud and attended the ceremony to celebrate their daughter. they say lexi was kind, sweet and appreciated life. felix rubio is a uvalde county sheriff's deputy, he hopes change will come. >> all i can hope is that she's just not a number. hopefully something gets resolved, that's all we ask.
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hopefully something gets resolved. i'm a cop, a deputy here in uvalde county. this is enough. this is enough. no one else needs to go through this. we never needed to go through this, but we are. >> reporter: josé flores jr. also 10 years old was in the fourth grade and loved baseball and video games. his father tells cnn he was an amazing big brother who, quote, was always full of energy. uziyah garcia was 10 years old, his uncle described him as a great kid, full of life, loved anything with wheels and video games. 10-year-old xavier lopez has been identified as one of the victims. his grandmother spoke to abc news. >> you send your kids to school thinking that they will make it back home and they are not. >> reporter: 10-year-old tess marie mata also lost their life. her older sister wrote my precious angel, you are loved so
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deeply. navaeh bravo was also identified by her family as one of the victims. her cousin tells "the washington post" that navaeh put a smile on everyone's face. amerie jo garza was 10 years old. her father tells cnn she was trying to call 911 to protect her classmates. garza is a med aid who arrived on the scene to later learn his daughter was one of the de deceased. >> two of the students in her classroom said that she was just trying to call authorities and i guess he just shot her. how do you look at this girl and shoot her? oh, my baby. my baby. >> reporter: and two teachers were also killed. fourth grade teachers eva
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mireles and irma garcia. garcia was a wife of four, a gofundme page set up to raise funds for her funeral expenses and the needs of the family. writes, she sacrificed herself protecting the kids in her classroom. she was a hero. she was loved by many and will truly be missed. and eva's daughter paid tribute to her mother on social media writing, mom, you are a hero. i keep telling myself that this isn't real. i just want to hear your voice. i want to thank you, mom, for being such an inspiration to me. i will forever be so proud to be your daughter. >> a proud daughter and students who were also honored to have her as their teacher. think about it, teachers have such a profound impact on a child's life and, john, i'm just reminded of this quote that says to teach is to touch a life forever and one of those
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teachers, 17 years as an educator, so think about all of the fourth graders and all of the students who came through her classroom and are remembering her and how she shaped their lives. we've also recently just received the names of symptom of the other victims. we know this community is also mourning the loss of ten other children, 9-year-old eliana who they called ellie garcia had four sisters and she loved cheerleading. 10-year-old annabelle guadalupe rodriguez was in the third grade and her cousin was in the same classroom and was also killed. then there's 10-year-old eliana elijah cruz torres. her aunt told cnn our baby girl gained her wings. >> these names, these faces, stories, lives, so much loss here in this community and it
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strikes me in such a small town there is a connection. everyone does have a connection to what happened here. thank you so much for that report. thank you for remembering those lives. so this morning here in uvalde we are learning more about how the massacre unfolded. joining me now with more details on this is cnn's shimon prokupecz. si we do know a lot more, a lot more of the holes have been filled in as to what happened here, still there are remaining questions. >> right. we learned yesterday from the authorities here in their press conference that the gunman was inside the school up to an hour, anywhere from 40 to 60 minutes, and we still don't have enough clarity on what was going on here inside the school during that time and also the beginning, how all of this unfolded. we learned yesterday that the gunman after he crashes his car
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there is some what they call an engagement, they are engaged, there is an officer on scene, the school resource officer who is engaged with the gunman. what happens in those moments? yesterday authorities said there were no gunshots, there was no exchange of gunfire. so, okay, so what happens? what does that entail, the fact that they were engaged? and then he gets into the room, into the school through the back door and then obviously the shooting unfolds. the big question is why did it take so long for police to assemble this team to go inside and kill the gunman? and those are still questions that we don't have answers to. they needed the tactical team from the customs and border patrol, that's who ultimately the team that -- that's the team that ultimately went in. why weren't other officers who were already on scene, why weren't they forming a team to go in? all of those kinds of questions that we still really don't have
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any answers to, john. >> what about the messages or what about things written by this killer in the hours, if not days prior to the massacre? >> right. we're also getting these private messages that the gunman exchanged with a girl, a girl in germany where he tells her what he's going to do. this transpires on the day of the shooting, the morning of the shooting, 30 minutes before the shooting he begins these series of text messages and then he tells her that he shot his grandmother and then he follows up with a message just 15 minutes before he's here and unleashes this horrific attack, he says to her, i am going to go and shoot an elementary school right now. these are the text messages that the police are reviewing along with the fbi. she is talking to investigators. these are just some of the social media text messages that authorities are reviewing. >> the distinction is important. these were private messages.
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>> correct. >> it's not like it was a public statement. >> correct. >> that was out there on one of these platforms that the world could have seen. >> or that anyone could have been alerted to. there was some confusion yesterday, the governor said it was on facebook, facebook said, no, that this wasn't something that was publicly -- someone can view publicly, these are private messages. this is not something that someone out who was on social media would have been able to see. >> private messaging which would have required the person receiving it to understand what was happening. >> right. >> and say something in time. >> right. and this was a completely kind of random kind of -- he's had these random communications with women, with girls that authorities have found, there have been other ones. it's not really clear what was going on here. >> all right. shimon prokupecz, again, thank you for this update. do appreciate everything you're learning. we will talk to you again very soon. all right. again, this was the site of the shooting just two days ago, 21
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people killed, 19 of them children, two of them teachers and this was very much an active crime scene for some time. joining me now is someone who was here in the early moments, i want to i didn't think in uvalde county justice of the peace judge diaz. thank you for being with us. i want to give people a sense of this community. you went to this school. >> that's correct. >> your kids went to this school. >> that's correct. >> this school is part of you, part of life here. >> that's correct. i attended fifth grade here, my children both attended school here. and it's a pillar of the community, it's been here since before i was born. >> which makes it all the more tragic what you had to do here on tuesday. explain what your role here was. >> okay. so mine all started -- i was at my office when the shooting started and there was a report that an active shooter on facebook was taking place and so my job -- i'm not a first
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responder, i'm normally called after something has been assessed, so i stayed in my office hearing the sirens going back and forth, we could see sirens and emergency vehicles headed to the hospital and back and forth. i mean, you heard that for about two hours. then eventually about 2:30 i was called out to the scene by the district attorney and i got to the scene with the impression that it was only two to three people. that those were kind of the rumors that were going around town, two or three people might have been injured, we don't know -- i don't know what kind of injury yet because i'm not hearing -- i don't have access to the radio or anything limping to what's going on. when i got here the district attorney and the rangers informed me there was 16 to 17 people inside, children. like i said, at that moment my heart dropped knowing that i was going to go in and be -- and have to assess a scene so horrific.
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>> and your job, your official duty here is to process the deceased. >> that's correct. so in the state of texas they have -- we're called coroners, our county is less than 50,000 people so we don't have a medical examiner so the justice of the peace in the state of texas assumes that responsibility. so we -- once there is a deceased person anywhere in town that is not being attended by a hospital or not part of hospice or not part of a nursing home, then they belong to the justice of the peace. >> when you walked into that room -- >> well, right before i walked in the thing is that because -- because of the situation we spoke to the rangers and i met with them real quickly, that's within ever we suggested that we go ahead and call chief medical examiner dr. molina out of bexar county to assist. i got on the phone with her, sent her an email giving her
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permission and allowing her to come to uvalde to assist us. it took about two hours. i went into the location it was probably -- well, the location to assess the bodies was probably around 5:30, 6:00 by the time i went in. we went in initially to set the time of death, but we didn't go in to assess everything. so once she got here, i allowed her to go into the facility with myself and the rangers, and at that point we went in to try to see what the situation -- the deceased were in and what we needed to do to make sure that we identified and that we processed and had a plan in order to move them to the medical examiner's office. >> i know that you are a professional and you have a job to do, but what was it like to see that? >> it was like something i never want to see again. when you walk into a room and, you know -- the rooms had been moved by first responders. the initial rooms where the casualties had taken place, whenever, i think, everything
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stopped first responders went in there and they had to move some of the bodies around a little bit in order to get to the -- to the injured people that could still go to the hospital, that needed medical attention. so when we went in we assessed children in different rooms and it was just -- you know, it was just like something i didn't want to see again. it was unbelievable. i have children, i have an eighth grader and a senior in high school and i know how precious life is, right? and these are our children in our community. of course, you know, because of the situation, you know, you quickly can't recognize everybody, but when you walk into the main room and i see irma garcia, she was a classmate of mine, i was a year above her in high school, she was a year below me but i knew her through high school, i know her husband joe, he worked with me at hgb in the 2000s and we see each other regularly in town. when you see something like that happening it's reality that this
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has just become a tragic loss. >> irma garcia, one of the teachers who was killed, you saw in there? you saw the body of irma garcia? >> i saw all the bodies, sir. that was myself and the rangers and dr. molina were the ones that had to assess everybody. >> did you know at the time it was irma garcia? >> not immediately but soon after i did because we kind of -- i kind of looked around the room, see what was there, i saw some pictures and we put two and two together and i figured where we were at. right off the bat you don't realize -- you don't go in thinking this is so-and-so's room and i haven't been in the school in four years since my son has been here, five years, so i didn't know what room she was in. i knew she taught here, but i didn't know what room she was in or where it was at. >> what an awful feeling. >> terrible. >> at this point what's the status of the bodies? some have been released to the families? >> well, last night i know that nine bodies -- nine of the deceased victims were released
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to the funeral homes here in uvalde. now, if the families -- i don't know if the families have seen them yet, they are going to make arrangements with each respective funeral home. we have two funeral homes in town, they have a choice to go with whichever one they like. as of right now one of the funeral homes has coordinated the transport to uvalde to keep everything smooth. nine were released yesterday evening, the remaining will be released this morning. the remaining of the children. i think by noon we should have everybody here, all the deceased victims. >> again, you know -- >> and, of course, at that time a different process starts because now they will be here with their loved ones and that's -- you know, that was what i felt was more important for me is to -- i understand that as a parent you just lost a child or as a husband you just lost a spouse and you can't spend immediate time with them. grieving starts immediately and for them to have to wait, i know it's been very hard for me to
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understand that they have to wait, but there's a process that has to take place and my job is to try to get them back home as quickly as possible. >> you feel like every little thing you can do that might make someone's life easier in this awful moment i know you absolutely want to do it. again, given that you went here, given that your kids went here, given that you've lived here for so long and know this community, could you have ever imagined that you would have been in that situation? >> never. never. not with this community. i would have never imagined. we don't really have -- we are a community of hunters, we see guns regularly, we see people loading up to go dove hunting or deer hunting but never like this. never to this caliber that you say we're going to have multiple homicide or whatever. normally it happens in a case-by-case basis and it's rare. never would i have imagined in my wildest dreams that i would
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have had to have gone and assess a site in that condition. >> i think we can agree no one should ever have to assess a site in that condition. >> correct. >> no one should ever have to see anything like this. i appreciate you being with us. i know the community is so grateful for the work that you've done and are doing, trying to do anything you can do to help. judge, thank you very much for being with us. so just nine days ago president biden was in buffalo after a mass shooting at a supermarket, now the white house is making plans for him to travel here to uvalde, texas, to console the survivors of another mass shooting. cupcake never stood a chance. until, energizer ultimatete lithium. who wants a cucupcake? the number one longegest-lastg aa battery. yay! case c closed. a monster was s attacking but the team remained calm. bebecause with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose.
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soon president biden will be visiting uvalde, texas, to meet with the families of the 19 children and the two teachers who were killed in this horrific attack. as many americans demand action to curb the uniquely relentless gun violence here in the u.s.,
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biden says it's time for a change. let's bring in cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond. jeremy, is he calling for a specific policy change? >> reporter: well, listen, brianna, we know that president biden has talked in the past about a series of steps that he would like to see, universal background checks a ban on assault weapons, but yesterday as he addressed this shooting briefly the only specific step that he called for was confirming his atf director, he called it a modest step and certainly it is a modest step and yet one that the senate has already struggled to address. part of that seems to come from the fact that president biden is so scarred from the past experiences that he has had in terms of trying to address gun violence. this shooting in which we saw 19 children die comes less than a decade after president biden was put in charge of that gun reform effort under president obama after 20 children were killed in that sandy hook shooting. we know that that has had an emotional impact on president
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biden but it's also had an impact in terms of what he thinks can actually be done with republicans having 50 seats in the senate. we know that republicans blocked those efforts previously that president biden led to try to get significant gun safety reform done and so all of that seems to be informing the thinking here at the white house. they certainly want to push forward to try and get some of these steps done, we know that president biden has already taken some steps via executive action and they would like to see legislation done, but they are also tempering that desire with the reality that they know of the math that exists currently in congress. and that is why we have heard president biden more than anything else in the last several days talk about his desire to comfort these victims as he is set to visit texas in the coming days and also talk about the shear frustration that he has had with the lack of action, with the inaction in congress, talk being what will it take to stand up to the gun lobby? certainly that is informing the way that he is approaching this
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issue, how he thinks about it and he is going to push for more action but he is also mindful of those numbers in congress, brianna. >> jeremy diamond live from the white house, thank you. the nra says their convention in texas this weekend will go on as we learn that talks about under way in congress on gun reform. and we will be speaking with the doctor who is caring for those children who did survive the shooting.
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welcome back, i'm john berman live in uvalde, texas. behind me you can see the robb elementary school and this memorial that came up overnight. the crosses, one for each of the victims. one of the 19 children lost here, 10-year-old josé flores jr., the fourth grader described as an amazing kid, the kind of
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big brother anyone would want. cnn's gary tuchman sat down with his family. >> reporter: 10-year-old josé flores jr. had a huge smile on his face when he received this honor roll certificate at school on tuesday, just a few hours later the world changed. this is his mother, father and three siblings. jose flores sr. went to the hospital hoping his son was a patient there. he says a nurse took him into a hospital chapel. >> what did the nurse tell you? >> that he is -- i mean, as soon as they took me to the room i already knew what it was about. she didn't have to say much. it was the way she took me in there, the way she -- have a seat, i want to talk to you, we have to tell you some things. i mean, i already knew what was next. >> reporter: josé jr. a loving son, big brother, did not survive the gunman's rampage. josé sr. called his wife cynthia. >> he just said my baby didn't
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make it. >> reporter: it seemed like a might mare. josé sr. and cynthia just couldn't comprehend their eldest child was gone. jose sr. asked some texas rangers at the hospital if he could see his son. >> one of the rangers told me -- came to me, he was like, as a father, i wouldn't let you go back there and see him. because he was not recognizable. >> reporter: jose jr.'s 5-year-old brother took us into his bedroom that he shared with his big brother. on josé jr.'s bed all his favorite stuffed animals and the set of clothes that his parents say he will wear in his casket. >> i didn't get to hold him no more. i didn't -- i didn't get to see h him. just at the funeral and it might not be open casket for the same reason. >> reporter: josé jr. wanted to
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be a police officer when he grew up. he wanted to protect others, especially his baby brother jace. >> when it was just me and him, he is so good, so helpful, helped me here around the house. he would just be like my little shadow, he would just be helping me and stuff. with the baby -- he had a thing with babies, like my friends' babies, he is just very good with babies, he was always nice. >> reporter: when jace grows up, your little baby, what do you tell jace about his brother josé? >> he really loved his little brother. he loved him. he was a little helper. >> reporter: andrea is nine months younger than josé jr. >> what did you like most about your brother? >> that he would really support me and he would always play with me. >> reporter: andrea and josé jr. were both in fourth grade in the same school. she lived through the same
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horror, but was in a different fourth grade classroom. >> there was just a bunch of gunshots going through the windows and doors and a bunch of knocking and banging. >> reporter: the emotional challenges are many for this family. they have lost their son and brother, but their memories of a sweet boy who wanted to be a policeman because he wanted to protect others will live on forever. gary tuchman, cnn, uvalde, texas. lash sensational sky high from maybelline new york limitless length + volume flex brush over 10 million sold* ♪ ♪ anand try new sky high cosmic black intense black pigments only from maybelline newew york
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decade, since the sandy hook massacre in newtown, connecticut. joining me now is sandy hook survivor maggie leblanca, she was 8 years old in december of 2012. thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you. >> it's sad in a way to have to speak with you ten years later. you know what so many of the people here in this town are going through, so many of these kids. you were eight years old at the time. tell us some of the emotions that some of these kids might be feeling. >> yeah, i mean, i'm just -- i'm devastated for that community. it's been ten years for me and my friends since we've heard a gunshot, since we've experienced anything to that degree, but it stayed with us very clearly and i think that's the thing about trauma and the thing about shootings that people don't
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really understand is that all of those -- all of those memories, all of those audio noises, all of those quick visions that kind of relate to that day, they stay with you. i mean, i can't go outside when i hear fireworks, i shutter when there is a closed door, i'm always looking over my back. it's ten years later and i don't feel safe yet and i'm just -- i've broke down knowing that there is now a new group of kids that that's what it is and my life has been defined that i am a survivor of gun violence and that i wake each day to that reality. i mean, that's what it is. >> i'm so sorry. i mean, you don't deserve that. nobody deserves that. at this age -- at that age, at 8 years old for you, 10 years old for these kids, how much do you really understand? >> i think it took me a bit to understand, you know.
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i wasn't fully aware of the situation and i think when you're 8 you don't know what death is, you don't know the effects of a gun, you don't really know what that is. that day i lost my neighbor and my best friend daniel, he was 7. you know, that was someone i walked to the bus with, i walked home with, there is a trail between our houses, i spent every day with him. so it was just the fact of losing someone you see every day for no reason. for a preventable reason. not understanding why and just going through each day with that fear that i could lose someone el else. >> again, you know, daniel would be 17 now. you said you walked to the bus with him every day. i know you're headed off to college, and it's so interesting because you've been talking to prospective roommates in college, talk to him about those
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discussions. >> yeah, no, so i was thinking, you know -- usually when you are -- it's been difficult for me because usually when you are talking, you are talking to a roommate the first thing they will ask is where are you from? i will say i'm from newtown and, you know, some of them will say that sounds vaguely familiar to me, they will think is there a famous person or some event that i know? no, there was a mass shooting where 20 people were killed senselessly and that pauses the conversation for a bit. sometimes they will ask me what i like to do and, you know, i will kind of tell them my activities and i will say, you know, next friday instead of going to the beach with my friends i had to make the decision of running a rally in town and speaking for national gun violence awareness day, those are the decisions i make on a daily basis. then sometimes, you know, if you talk long enough with a roommate they ask about your sleeping
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habits and how late do you stay up and, you know, do you leave a light on. i have to tell them that i have to leave a light on, i have to sleep with some sort of light so there's no dark because i think i see a shooter in the shadows, i have to sleep with a pillow behind my back because i'm afraid that a shooter is going to get me where i can't see them. ten years later. ten years later i still feel that. sometimes i wake up abruptly in the middle of the night because i don't feel that pillow anymore or i have a flashback or something and it's all very real to me. it's re real to anyone who has gone through a shooting, it doesn't go away, and i don't think that's realized by a lot of people. >> i think you're right. i think you're right. i think people don't understand that this is something that you never forget. that never leaves you. on the other hand, maggie, i just want you to know that you are an inspiration and your life has made such a difference to so many and will continue to do so.
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i thank you for joining us. i thank you for being willing to share your experience with us and with the american people and i want you to have a great time in college. >> thank you. thank you. >> maggie leblanca. in the wake of the mass shooting here in uvalde, texas, the nra is still moving forward with its annual meeting in texas in houston this weekend. yet the organization says it does not want guns there. we will details next.
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the nra is moving ahead with its annual convention this weekend in texas, just days after a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers in an elementary school in the state. the decision echoing the lobby's
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move 23 years ago when right after the columbine massacre it still moved forward with its summit in denver, undeterred by the new era of gun violence. nra president and actor charleston heston delivered this famous speech the following year. >> so as we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, i want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed and especially for you, mr. gore, from my cold dead hands. >> let's bring in cnn's sunlen serfaty. important to note that former president trump is expected to speak at this event but also that we understand there is a no guns allowed policy.
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>> that's right, there is, because the former president will be there the secret service have banned guns from anyone attending this event over the weekend. now, trump will be headlining the conference tomorrow with a big speech and since the shooting he doubled down on what he thinks is the importance of still speaking. he says americans don't need politics at this moment. now, there are some other big republican names scheduled to attend and appear as well, texas senator ted cruz, texas governor greg abbott, and abbott asked yesterday if he was still speaking and he was somewhat noncommittal. he says he's living in the moment and his heart, his head, his body, he says, is in uvalde right now. democrats are saying now is not the time for an event like this, so close in proximity, so close in time to the shooting and they are calling for the nra to cancel. this is so similar to the 1999 columbine shooting when the nra also called to cancel its event days after the shooting but they did not. the nra, brianna, similarly
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right now they are recommitting in the wake of this shooting, they will say the event will go on as scheduled, go on as planned and notably only about 300 miles away from the shooting. >> yeah, it is not far. sunlen, thank you so much for that report. as he watched the capitol riot unfold on television then president donald trump is said to have reacted approvingly to th this. what the january 6 committee has learned about trump's reaction to that. we will talk to maggie haberman about her new reporting next. and it's natural. treat it that way. aveeno® daily moisture with prebiotic oat is proven to moisturize dry skin all day. you'll love our formula a for face, too. aveeno®. you can framebridge just about anything. and we have. spacemen. jojo. uncle murray's medals. 17 antique keys.
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cnn has learned that a former aide to trump white house chief of staff mark meadows told the house january 6th committee that then president donald trump suggested he approved of these chants that i'm sure you're familiar with now of "hang mike pence" that were coming from
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people on capitol, rioters there during the insurrection. "the new york times" is reporting that multiple witnesses told the committee that meadows told his colleagues that trump complained that pence was being whisked to safety. meadows then said that trump had said something to the effect of maybe pence should be hanged. joining me now is cnn political analyst and senior political correspondent for "the new york times" maggie haberman who broke this story. maggie, you do note in your story it's not clear what tone trump was said to have used, but nonetheless, i think it's important to put this reporting in the context of what we know about how trump felt about pence at the time. >> that's exactly right, brianna. look, we know that trump was furious with pence, you know, i'm not sure bluntly how much it matters what the tone was, but we just wanted to make that clear for readers. we know at the time that trump was venting to aides that pence was not doing what he wanted, which was, you know, exerting a power that pence had told trump he didn't have to interfere in
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the certification of the electoral college vote in congress that day and trump tweeted at 2:24 p.m. that day that he was angry at pence, that pence -- he was denouncing pence for not doing this. it's not hugely surprising, brianna, that trump said that and yet it is still pretty stunning. >> so a lawyer for mark meadows said he has every reason to believe that this account of what meadows said is untrue but there are multiple sources either telling the committee this or confirming it, right? >> yeah, the committee has developed information from multiple witnesses over the course of its work, you know, it has not said exactly who those witnesses r meadows' lawyer's statement i would also note is not a full throated denial, it's i have every reason to believe that's not true. it is something that is either true or not true and it's notable that that is not what's being said. >> maggie, you report the committee has also gathered
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testimony that mr. meadows used the fireplace in his office to burn documents. can you tell us more about this? >> yeah, so the committee has heard from, again, multiple witnesses that meadows would use the fireplace in the office to get rid of pieces of paper, exactly what he was getting rid of we don't know, but, brianna, this is a pattern in this white house of inappropriate handling of documents. i think the committee is trying to figure out what documents those were. you know, this apparently was not, you know -- this was -- i don't know that it was widely known but it was not something that was relegated to just a small group of people. i would note that mark meadows' lawyer did not respond to our questions about that reporting at all. >> what do these findings mean, maggie, for the committee's work? >> so i think two things. i think in terms of what trump's mindset was, the committee has been working very hard not just to reconstruct, you know, every minute that they can of that, i
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believe it was 186 minutes on january 6th, but to try to construct the lead up to it and what trump's mindset was. what trump was thinking. whether, you know, trump was making an effort to try to, you know, see the results that ended up happening, you know, with rioters storming the capitol. so that's one. and then in terms of the meadows piece of it, on the documents, there is this question of, a, you know, what the people in the white house were doing around, you know, possible planning to try to subvert the election results, what happened to documents in their possession, obviously fighting over documents and getting ahold of them has been a huge concern for this committee and they've been stymied at various points by various witnesses one of whom has been meadows, although meadows, i will say, turned over many, many hundreds of text messages that has also guided the committee's work before he then stopped cooperating and didn't give them anymore. >> maggie, thank you for sharing this new reporting with us. we do appreciate it. and "new day" continues
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right now. good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world, it is thursday, may 26th. i'm john berman live in uvalde, texas. brianna keilar is in washington this morning. 19 children and two teachers were killed behind me at the robb elementary school. i want to show you what's happened here overnight. you can see this new memorial has sprouted up, flowers all around the sign, balloons and now just in the last few hours these crosses, one for every one of the victims here. ♪ >> this was a vigil overnight where the community came together. so many pain. so many tears. this is a small town, it has a small town feel,


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