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$100 million license fee, taken from homeless funds, too. these guys didn't write a plan for the homeless. they wrote it for themselves. i'm erica hill. >> and i'm jim sciutto. today once again the nation is mourning, parents with young children, who are lost are mourning as we learn more about the youngest victims killed and there are their faces there, at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas. most of them, 9 and 10-year-old children, some being hailed as heroes. >> i just want people to know that she just died trying to save her classmates. she just wanted to save
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everyone. >> this morning, there are now hard questions for authorities about the timeline of events and the police response, specifically why did they wait so long to go into the school? officials say the gunman was on school grounds for up to an hour before police were able to breach the classroom, stop the killing and neutralize, kill, the gunman. >> according to "the washington post," parents who rushed to the scene heard gunfire inside the school, they begged officers to charge into the building. >> there was families trying to get in here, they were getting in here, they were getting into the school. fathers breaking out windows, pulling kids out of the windows. >> this morning, we have new video that shows the gunman entering a door at the school. authorities say the suspect was confronted by an officer as he made his way into the building. they say he dropped a bag full of ammunition before he got
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inside. also cnn has exclusively obtained a series of chilling text messages from the gunman, appearing to detail his plans just moments before the assault. let's begin that with the very latest on this investigation, what we do and perhaps even more importantly what we don't know this morning. shimon prokupecz is live in uvalde, texas. so, you do have some of these new details, shimon. what are we learning and what is still a question at this point? >> reporter: so significant information that we learned this morning from the lieutenant for dps lieutenant who spoke to john berman on "new day" this morning, key thing here is we are learning that the door, the door in which the gunman entered, that door was unlocked. we have been asking how this gunman entered the school, the lieutenant this morning saying that door was unlocked, allowing him inside the school. the lieutenant also revealing that the gunman entered the school essentially he's using
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words describing it as unimpeded. he was able to get inside the school despite the confrontation that he had with that resource officer. all indications is that there was no gunfire outside of the school. meaning that the gunman and that officer did not exchange gunfire. the lieutenant also describing more of what was going on in those tense moments. >> right now we do not have an accurate or concrete timeline to provide to, say the gunman was in the school for this period, so we want to provide that factual information once we're able to obtain that. >> i do understand, but there was a period of time when the gunman was in the school and there were law enforcement officers on scene, and those law enforcement officers that were here during that period were not going in, correct? >> well, as i mentioned, there was two officers that did make
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entry when that shooter was making entry into that school. so there was an immediate response, and right after that we had a special response team that arrived as i mentioned earlier that was comprised of federal law enforcement officers, police officers and county deputy. they all made entry into the school. you had other officers trying to evacuate children and teachers by breaking windows around the school trying to pull children and teachers from those windows, trying to evacuate them to preserve any further loss of life, so there was immediate response, but, again, trying to establish exactly a timeline, we're still working on that right now. that's all part of the investigation. >> reporter: and so erica and jim, there are still questions as to that timeline, why it is taking officials so long to put this timeline together. the lieutenant saying they only first interviewed this resource officer last night. also big question of why it took those tactical officers so long
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to enter the school and breach that door and shoot the gunman. >> yeah, deliberately it seemed unclear answers there, right? because we do know some things already about the timeline and i know you're asking hard questions there. shimon prokupecz, thank you so much. as investigators work to pin down more details about that wait to go into the classroom, we're learning more about the final moments inside those classrooms. >> we know one of the students, 10-year-old amerie jo garza was trying to do everything she could to save her classmates. her father angel recounted his daughter's bravery in her final moments. and he shared that with anderson cooper last night. >> she was just trying to do the right thing. she was just trying to call the cops. she was so scared of just strangers and things like this, like she would lock the door
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when i would step out to put gas in the car. like, she -- this is literally, like, her worst fear and she was just trying to help everyone. >> she talked about something like this? >> so i -- i'm a med aid. when i arrived on the scene, i saw kids inside, they started bringing the kids out, and i was aiding assistance, one little girl was just covered in blood, head to toe, like, i thought she was injured, i asked her what was wrong, and she said she was okay, she was hysterical saying they killed her best friend, and she called the cops and she told me -- she said amerie. >> that's how you learned.
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>> she was so sweet. she was the sweetest little girl who did nothing wrong. she listened to her mommy and dad, she always brushed her teeth, she was creative, she made things for us, she never got in trouble in school. like, i just want to know what she did to be a victim. >> she didn't do anything. right? >> no. >> to be a victim. she did nothing. and there is no answers for that poor father. >> it is heart breaking and that is putting it mildly. today we know the bodies of several victims are set to be released to funeral homes. overnight members of the community came together for a vigil to remember the lives taken. ♪
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♪ >> i cannot imagine how parens recover from something like this. cnn correspondent adrienne broaddus is outside the school. adrienne, tell us what more we know about these children. >> reporter: we're learning so much about them this morning, jim. and just listening to those strains play, that violinist from that vigil last night, it is a reminder sometimes when we don't have the words, when the words escape us, and music fills the silence, it's soothing. and that's something folks in this community desperately needed. we're learning at least nine of the deceased have been returned to their families. that means their bodies are now at the funeral home. the remaining bodies will be returned to the families today.
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at least four people are still in the hospital, including the 66-year-old grandmother of the 18-year-old shooter. for those of you who may not know or don't remember, investigators say that teen shot his grandmother in the face before she was able to escape to a neighbor's home and call 911. we're also learning about the surviving victims, some of them who were treated at the hospital, and released on the same day endured what was referred to as shrapnel wounds. meanwhile, earlier this morning we spoke with the university health medical director, she's over at the pediatric trauma unit, she described what she and her team have seen over the last few days. listen in. >> you know, i think it was a difficult day for all of
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america. from our standpoint we had the experience at our level one pediatric center. and that experience we learned and we prepared for this mass casualty event, and gathered teams of surgeons, anesthesiologists, pediatricians, very quickly and we waited. and also from the last experience we realized that when we're dealing with high velocity firearm injuries we may not get a whole lot of patients. and i think in that -- i think that's what hit us the most, not of the patients that we did receive and we are honored to treat them, but the patients that we did not receive.
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>> reporter: and sometimes experience is the best teacher, many on staff have seen this type of trauma before d. during her conversation, she talked about a previous shooting that happened here in texas in this small -- not far from this small town that rocked that community. at the end of the day, members who work in the medical field see death on a daily basis. but, erica and john, that doesn't mean it get he's in easier. >> certainly doesn't. adrienne broaddus, appreciate it, thank you. joining us now is the pastor of first baptist church in barakville, texas, pastor y.j. jimenez. you raced there in the moments after hearing about this massacre because two of your parishioners were directly impacted. they lost their 10-year-old grandson. i can only imagine the comfort
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that must have brought them in the moment, two days in now, as the reality is setting in, can you tell us how is the family holding up? >> we visited yesterday, and thank you for having us. we visited in the home yesterday, they have a tremendous family support. they were still grieving, of course, and the mother was doing better. the reason i was sent to the hospital, she went into trauma after the news of losing her child. and they -- the community is coming together in support of food and prayer, expressions of love, and so, yes, it is continuing on very slowly. >> i read recently you said you never had to deal with such grief in your 30 years of
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ministry. you're there to help other people, to walk with them, to hold their hand, to pray with them. but this is also, as you point out, this is difficult for you. how are you getting through that and who, in addition to your faith, who are you leaning on in these moments? >> well, you know, personal relationship with jesus christ, it helps me to be able to have my time in the morning with the scriptures and it is a time of encouraging to lay my stress and my anxiety before the lord. in order to kind of enable me and just take in instruction from what christ did, he would withdraw from people, and spend a little time in the mountain, so my mountain is sometimes my quiet time in the office here. >> you talked about how -- i'm sorry. >> go ahead, go ahead. >> i was going to say, you also
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mentioned how you've seen a community coming together. it is so important in these difficult moments when there are no real answers for these tragedies to see those moments, you mentioned the love you've seen in the community. do you worry about what happens when this is no longer in the headlines and whether that community can sustain this lasting trauma? >> you know, that's a good question. we're intertwined with the uvalde community. we're 40 miles away many bracketville, but in spite of that, because of agriculture, because of employment, because of family, we're all connected in this part of texas. and so last night we had a prayer vigil and here in bracketville, candlelight, and the community came together, the churches came together.
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yes, that is a -- the follow-up of each of these families going to be very vital and very important in the steps ahead. you know, the -- as a person who walks through this -- the loss of a loved one is difficult. but then as tragedy as big as this, this is enormous. i believe that uvalde is a place of faith. they're going to keep looking up. they're strong individuals. this part of texas, we're -- they're raised to be strong, but their strength comes from the lord and i believe that as we come together there will be a time that uvalde will have moments that will continually keep these children in the forefront. >> reverend yj jimenez, thank you for taking the time to join us this morning. >> thank you.
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i appreciate that. thank you. we have this news just in to cnn. the donna independent school district in donna, texas, east of mcallen near the mexican border canceled classes throughout the district after receiving a, quote, credible threat of violence, this is currently under investigation. in a letter officials say in light of recent events and in an abundance of caution, we will be canceling school district wide and staff will work from home. the safety and security of our students and staff is our first priority. they say classes are expected to resume tuesday morning. but an alarming warning there given what we saw earlier this week in uvalde. still to come this hour, in the wake of deadly shootings like this one at robb elementary, mental illness often takes the blame. why this is often misleading and inaccurate. we have the facts coming up. and pushing for change. will there be any reforms, any changes to the gun laws in this
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lawmakers opposed to enacting gun control measures often blame mental health as the cause of deadly shootings like the one in uvalde. experts say attributing sh shootings to mental ill nness i not only inaccurate but sta stigmatizing. it is estimated that less than 5% of shootings are committed by people with a diagnosable mental illness. representatives from the american psychological
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association have called it, quote, unfounded to blame mass shootings on mental illness, saying, quote, research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with or in treatment for mental illness. mental health does, however, play a role in shootings. just not mass shootings. cdc numbers show that within the total number of deaths, 53% of all suicides in the year 2020 involved firearms. joining me now to discuss the gun issue, what congress may do, congressman mike thompson, democrat from california, he's also the chairman of the house gun violence prevention task force. congressman, thank you for taking the time this morning. >> good morning, jim. good to be with you. >> my first question to you is one i know you're familiar with and the folks at home might be asking themselves right now. and that is we have seen
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shootings like this before, sadly. all too often, often involving children. will this time be different? is there any evidence that there will be action on capitol hill in a way that there has not been following similar shootings? >> jim, i wish i could tell you and your viewers yes. but i can't. we have been through this so many times, we have had school shootings after school shootings, mass shootings after mass shootings, every day 30 people are killed by someone using a gun. if you factor in accidental deaths and suicides, the number goes up to 100. there is action on capitol hill. it is just not enough. we passed out of the house an important bill that would require background checks before anyone can buy a gun. that is a way to check to make sure people who are dangerous -- a danger to themselves or others
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can't get a gun. but sadly that bipartisan piece of legislation supported by over 90% of the american people languishes over incentive because they don't have not the 51 votes to pass it, they don't have the 60 votes necessary to bring it up for a vote. so critical problem over in the senate, and those 50 republican senators can't ratchet up enough courage to pass a bill that will help protect kids in our communities. >> we understand that the senate majority leader chuck schumer is giving some time to senator chris murphy to speak with republicans, and we learned this morning that murphy will speak with texas senator john cornyn on this topic. they have attempted this before, months ago, specifically on finding some common ground on background checks. there are some republicans who support some form of something that romney among them. i know of course that's the other side of capitol hill.
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but are you aware of any potential middle ground this time, specifically on background checks legislation? >> jim, i work closely with senator chris murphy, he is the senate author of my legislation on background checks. we have sent that bill to the senate twice now. the first time it got no traction. there was a big effort on chris' part to build a bipartisan effort to move it forward. it went nowhere. i'm hopeful that he will be successful this time. but, remember, he's up against an almost immoveable force of the republicans in the senate have refused, even on this wildly popular one step towards a safer community bill to help. i wish him the best of luck. i'll do all i can. in the meantime, in the house,
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we're going to take up an extreme risk bill, known as the red flag bill, on the week of june 66th and pass that over to the senate as well. so hopefully we'll get some momentum over in the senate, but the senate republicans and this isn't a partisan issue, anywhere except the -- in the united states senate. but they are holding this up and they should be held accountable for doing that. >> do you ever have private conversations with republican lawmakers who will tell you in private, listen, i hear you, i want to do something, but i can't politically. we often hear of those conversations regarding for instance public criticism of donald trump or dismissal of questions about the 2020 election. privately, they might say something that they wouldn't say publicly. do you hear that on gun control?
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>> jim as, as you know, i first ro wrote the background check bill after sandy hook and i did that in conjunction with a group of republican members in the house. i heard all the stories about how hard it is. i heard from some democratic members how hard it is. this has been made such a partisan issue that it is hard for a lot of folks, but, you know, we're beyond what is hard for us. if it is too hard for members of congress to do their job, to help make our kids and our communities safer, get another job. this is far more important than our political careers. any one of us. we need to come together, we need to find out what it is that we can do that will help prevent gun violence prevention and we need to enact it and we need to enact it quickly. >> congressman mike thompson,
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there are many unanswered questions about the law enforcement response to the shooting. one was did the officer who first confronted the shooter fire back at the shooter or not? we don't have an answer. why did it take so long to breach the room? also, what exactly did the gunman do to barricade himself inside that classroom? how much of a barrier was it? cnn's john berman pressed on that question with texas department of public safety spokesman lieutenant chris olivarez this morning. listen to his answer. >> when you say barricaded, it indicates that somehow he created a literal barrier to entry, a physical barrier either by locking or putting something in the way of the door. to what extent did that happen? >> that's correct. right, so, correct, you're right -- >> he actually put things up? >> well, what i mean by barricaded is what i'm trying to -- what i'm referring to is he barricaded himself in the classroom. that could have been locking the classroom from the inside where no one could make entry into the
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classroom. we're trying to establish if that classroom was locked and if it was locked was there some type of barricade, some type of locking mechanism that did not allow those officers to make entry. >> joining us now to discuss, former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. let's start on what we heard there, right. berman, again, as jim pointed out, pressing him for just a direct answer on what that barricade may have been. he says we're trying to establish that. whether it was locked from the inside. walk us through if this door, let's say the door was locked from the inside, typically how long would it take to break down a door to get into a classroom? >> well, that depends, erica, entirely on the sort of equipment that the responding officers have with them. if they have door breaching equipment in their vehicles, which by the time the tactical team arrives you would assume they have that kind of gear,
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then they can get past the lock pretty quickly. there is always the option of getting someone from the facility to give you a key to the lock. i find it very hard to believe that there is a classroom that can be locked from the inside that doesn't have some sort of external key access for the principal or for someone else who needs to get in, in a time of emergency. so, you know, getting someone from the school to answer the question do you have a key to get in that door, and then getting into the school to get that key, that could take obviously a few minutes, but, you know, we're talking about 40 minutes to an hour? very hard to understand. >> let's get to that issue then. that is key. clearly caused a lot of frustration among parents outside that school. 40 to 60 minutes before breaching the classroom. post columbine, the training is go immediately, go in the direction of the fire, go quickly. sandy hook, the shooting took place over the span of four minutes or so. are there any circumstances
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under which it would be the right decision to wait? >> that's a tough question, jim. like, you can always, you know, you can always kind of back seat driver come up with circumstances that might call for some sort of a delay. so in this case we have heard some theories that the responding officers who were there during that gap in time when the children were in the room, with the gunman, and any period from 30 to 60 minutes elapsed before those officers who were on scene went in, they may have thought that they had him kind of, quote, unquote pinned down to one location and that was better while they tried to evacuate the rest of the school. but -- >> pinned down in a room, though, with children. >> yeah. i'm just telling you, you know, some of the conflicting information i've heard so far. the bottom line is you have a guy who is shooting people in a
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classroom, and you have law enforcement officers with guns on scene, the training, since columbine, has been get in front of that gunman and try to kill him as soon as you can. because as we all know, the fatalities in mass shootings happen very quickly, and almost immediately. it is in the first few seconds, certainly the first few minutes that that gunman is on scene is when you sustain most of the death. it is almost incomprehensible for me to come up with a rational explanation as to why you would wait 30 minutes to an hour to get in there. again, the door breaching, it is just a locked door, that doesn't take 30 minutes to get into. >> i think that is also incomprehensible for a lot of people, 48 hours out, we don't have the answers. i understand it is an ongoing investigation, we know things are developing. but how surprising is it to you that we are at this point two days out and we cannot get an answer on whether there were --
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whether there was fire exchange with the resource officer, when exactly those teens went in, how long they were in the school, it seems that that should be fairly easy information to put out at this point. >> yeah, where were these two local officers who responded and both of whom supposedly exchanged gunfire with the subject and they were both shot in that exchange, did that exchange happen inside or outside, were both parties inside? there is all kinds of questions. i can tell you, erica, i have responded over the course of my career to many, many crisis events, whether from the boston marathon bombing to the pulse nightclub shooting, one of the first responsibilities you have, you don't want this responsibility, nobody wants to have to do this, but one of the first responsibilities is to share that sort of information because the worst thing you can do is leave the public in a position of not knowing and then speculating and theorizing and talking in the way we are now. it is not helpful to the victims. it is not helpful to the
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investigation. you have to get out there, and i don't mean politicians, like, hearing their thoughts and prayers, that's very nice. we want to hear from the law enforcement, from incident command, people who are on scene and have knowledge and have access to investigative information to give us the basics of what happened here. it is essential. >> just very quickly, andrew, if that school resource officer or any other officer had fired his or her weapon, in those early moments, would police already know that? >> yeah. there is forensic evidence, any responding officer, their guns should have been confiscated at the scene, you count the amount of ammunition that is in each one of those guns to determine if a round has been expended. you clearly have done forensics at the scene, you know where shots were, you know, where shots took place by the casings that are left on the ground, by the projectiles lodged in walls what have you. you would know that by now. it is hard to imagine gunman
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we often ask after shootings like this were there warning signs? and new this morning cnn obtained chilling text messages the gunman in texas sent minutes before he opened fire at robb elementary school, killing those 19 children and 2 teachers. >> the messages were sent to a teenage girl in germany. cnn's drew griffin has more details now on how the messages are helping investigators piece together the timeline of this attack. >> reporter: this is the text conversation captured just moments before the 18-year-old shooter would attempt to kill
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his grandmother, then in his words shoot up an elementary school. you know what i'm going to do right now, he writes, tell me is the response. i can't. since my grandpa hasn't left. i'm waiting for this dude to leave. shortly after 11:00 a.m., texas time, the suspect then complains about his grandmother and his phone bill. i'm waiting for this -- i'm going to do something to her right now. she's on with at&t about my phone. it's annoying. five minutes pass. then, i just shot my grandmother in her head. i'm going to go shoot up an elementary school right now. that last message sent at 6:21 p.m. german time, 11:21 a.m. in uvalde, texas. 11 minutes later police received the first call of a shooting at robb elementary school. the person on the receiving end of the text, a 15-year-old girl in germany. she had never met him in person. they connected through a live
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streaming app called yubo and facetimed, texted and he sent her videos of himself. she says the shooter told her he bought some ammo on monday, but she told cnn she had no idea what he was planning. she's not the only person he was communicating with. the shooter's instagram account showed a photo of two ar-style weapons and tagged another young woman, who he messaged the morning of the shooting who said i'm about to, but didn't finish his sentence and then said i got a little secret. the girl from germany said the only connection with the shooter had been through texting which was somewhat innocuous conversations but she did tell us about one conversation she had in which the shooter did alarm her when he said he liked to throw dead cats at people's houses. there was no explanation. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. up next, mounting burden on teachers.
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classroom. we have heard from parents that they believed they were doing everything in their power to protect their fourth grade students. my next guest had her own terrifying encounter in 2013 with the gunman. in the atlanta area elementary school. listen to her 9-1-1 call as she also engaged with the shooter. >> they said he should have just gone to the mental hospital instead of doing this. he is not on his medication. do you want me to try? i can help you. do you want to talk to them? do you want me to talk to them? let me talk to them. let's see if we can work it out so you do not have to go away for a long time. it is going to be okay sweetie. i want you to know that i love you. i am proud of you. it is a good thing that you are giving up. don't worry about it. we all go through something in life. >> the lives saved in that moment. internet talked down the gunman
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in 2013. it is good to have you with us now. obviously, these are never the circumstances we want to be speaking and. when we look at your experience, your calm, your empathy in that moment, it saved lives. i know that you are working to spread that. you talk about compassion, and confidence, and control in these situations. when you look at what happened in texas, what are your thoughts this morning? >> it is just beginning for them. no one knows the actual aftermath when you are not actually in it. and it did not affect you. we can all pray, we can all say words of encouragement, but until it is your name, and your child, and you are held hostage, you can never, ever understand the full effect that it causes you, years later. that was one of the things that i realized. how you go back, and how you
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are able to survive. you are right, i used tub tactics, compassion, and control, in the midst of an environment, making sure the gunman felt safe and heard, and how you create a safe environment. today, i go back to ensure that school districts, organizations, they all know what it looks like and how to make a safe environment for their educators, for their actual schools, and also, for organizations. students should feel safe. >> do you think there is enough focus on that aspect of feeling safe? beyond barricading the doors? being told to hide index or closets? >> no, it is not. we are not looking at the bullying that takes effect. we are not looking at teachers feeling like they are not getting home from their administrative team. do you have a diverse and inclusion all the way around? are you creating a psychologically safe environment? are you doing affective communications within your
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organizations? we do not look at all of those things. what we do is we say here is what you need to do. but, if you do not have effective communication, how does organization in school districts know how to function outside of saying that was a drill? we need affective communication in our organizations and schools, to be able to show teachers that we care for you, that we feel for you, and that we are here to support you. we have to show empathy in the midst of it all. >> you are leading the charge. you are doing that work. you are trying to bring other people over to see the importance of it. have you noticed a shift, especially, not since 2013 but in light of everything we have seen in the last several years? >> when i go and speak in front of organizations and school districts, we are going to speak in front of 4000 next month. have i seen a shift? yes, but it is not enough of a shift. we do not have enough people coming in to be able to say, what does this look like. we do not have enough people bringing in people like me to
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be able to have a conversation. if you are not having a conversation, you are still sitting there and allowing your employees and staff to feel like they are ineffective. you have to have the hard conversations of how do we create a safe environment and our workplaces, in our school districts, and how do we come back and allow are teachers and administrators to be able to feel like they are supported? this is not saying enough. we do not have enough conversation about. this >> and someone that tough, i appreciate you joining us this morning. new details this morning on how the gunman was able to get inside the school despite being confronted by an armed officer outside. cnn special live coverage continues next.
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