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depressing. thanks so much. follow me on facebook, instagram, twitter. if you miss an episode, always listen to our podcast wherever you get your podcasts. our coverage continues now with one mr. wolf blitzer. he is right next door in a place i like to call the situation room. happening now, police reveal the texas school gunman was not confronted by anybody before he entered the building through an apparently unlocked door and remained inside for about an hour until he was killed. authorities facing growing questions and criticism over their response to the massacre. new video shows frantic parents being held back by police during the shooting pleading for action as they heard shots ring out. one victim's father says he and others wanted to storm the school to, quote, get our babies
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out. our correspondents are covering every angle of the story, including our cnn teams on the ground in texas. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in the situation room. >> without anyone initially trying to stop him. cnn national correspondent jason carroll is on the scene for us. jason, police revealed alarming new details as you well know as they face very serious questions right now about their response to the massacre. >> reporter: yes, wolf. as you know, a lot of details that authorities still have to clarify out here, especially after they gave out that bad information about who had initially responded to the shooting. all of this as parents out here
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in this community are still frustrated, very, very angry, and looking for answers as to why it took more than an hour to take counsel the shooter. tonight cnn has obtained video showing frantic parents gathered beyond the police line while the shooter was inside their children's school. >> they were breaking the windows to get the kids out of the windows. so at that point i knew the shooter was still alive. >> reporter: some parents ready to go into the building held back by loved ones and police. victor luna was one of those parents. his son, who was in the fourth grade, survived. >> i told one of the officers myself, if they didn't want to go in there, let me borrow a gun and vest and i will go in myself to handle it up. and they told me no. >> reporter: tonight officials raising more questions about the gunman's actions after shooting his grandmother and crashing a truck in a ditch. he jumped out the passenger side of the truck
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>> he walks around, sees two witnesses at the funeral home across the street where he wrecked. he engages and fires towards them. >> reporter: we spoke to two witnesses at the funeral home who say they were nearly caught in the gunfire. >> we were in the car and i got out to see what's going on. they just told us to get back in the car. >> then a bullet came through -- >> yeah, like hitting the dirt on the floor. >> reporter: chilling video shows the moment the gunman entered the elementary school through an unlocked back door, holding a rifle. >> 11:40 he walks into the west side of robb elementary school. multiple rounds, numerous rounds are discharged in the school. >> reporter: an official with the texas department of public safety revealing that there was no armed resource officer on site. contradicting previous information provided by the very
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same agency. the uvalde school district had a safety plan in place. listing 21 measures for ensuring school safety, including a police force and physical security measures like fencing and a buzz-in door system. >> the grandmother's house to the school into the school, he was not confronted by anybody. to clear the record on that. four minutes later law enforcement are coming in. coming in to solve the problem. >> reporter: authorities also investigating how the gunman was able to barricade himself inside the classroom for up to an hour before law enforcement gained access to the room by force, killing the shooter. >> the majority of the gunfire was in the beginning. approximately an hour later u.s. border patrol, tactical teams arrived. they make entry. shoot and kill the suspect. >> reporter: officials did not
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explain why more was not done in that crucial hour the shooter was in the school. >> could you have gone in before an hour? >> could. there is a lot of possibilities. >> we have been given a lot of bad information. why don't you clear this up now and explain to us how it is that your officers who were in there for an hour, yes, rescuing people, but yet no one was able to get inside that room? >> we will circle back with you. we want to answer all your questions. we want to give you wthe why. give us time. >> reporter: those we have spoken to, whether the two at the funeral home who experienced the gunfire in the shooting or victor luna who was trying to get his fourth grade son out of this building when it all went down, these people were already angry before that press conference where they were trying to clear up some of that misinformation that had gone out there at their own hand.
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so you can imagine how they are feeling now. this just compounds the grief, the anger, their frustration that many people on the ground here have already been experiencing. wolf. >> jason carroll reporting from outside that elementary school. thank you. >> as this investigation unfolds, victims' families are beginning to plan for the unimaginable. burying their children. cnn's boris sanchez shares their stories. >> reporter: as the families of those killed at robb elementary school plan their final goodbyes -- >> our hearts are broken. we are devastated. >> reporter: cnn is learning about the victims lost. eliahana elie garcia in fourth grade, 9 years old. her grandparents telling "the l.a. times" she loved the movie "encanto," cheerleading and basketball. she dreamed of one day becoming a teacher. 10-year-old annabell guadalupe rodriguez was also killed. her family telling affiliate
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khou she shared a classroom with her cousin, jacklyn cazares, who was also murdered. her father says she touched a lot of people's lives and recently had her first communion. >> full of love and life. and to me she is a firecracker, man. comforts me a little bit to think she would be the one to help her friend in need. >> reporter: another 10-year-old, tess marie mata, the fourth grader loved tiktok and ar-15. her older sister faith says she was saving money to take the whole family to disney world. she posted on twitter, quote my precious angel, you are loved so deeply. in my eyes you are not a victim, but a survivor. i love you always and past forever, baby sister. may your wings soar higher than you could dream. 10-year-old and a half say a
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bravo, her family telling "the washington post" could put a smile on their faces. they are devastated by her passing. 10-year-old jail la nicole, she enj enjoyed dancing and making tiktok videos. and eliahana cruz torres, her aunt telling cnn, quote, our baby gained her wings. >> it was a difficult day for all of america. >> reporter: the medical experts working tirelessly to ensure that the 21 lost won't become more, grappling with the trauma of those they could not help. >> i think that's what hit us the most, not of the patients that we did receive and we are honored to treat them, but the patients that we did not receive. >> reporter: victims lost in another horrific shooting at an american school. >> i thought she was injured. she says she is okay. she was hysterical, saying they
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killed her best friend, she is not breathing, she was trying to call the cops. i asked the little girl the name and she told me, she said amerie. >> that's how you learned? >> reporter: daughters, sons, mothers, wives, names and faces this community will never forget. amerie jo garza uziyah garcia, xavier lopez, lexi rubio and two teachers hailed as heroes dying as they shielded their students from danger. eva mireles, irma garcia. >> you look at this girl. oh, my baby. my baby. >> and, wolf, in the last few
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minutes we confirmed the name of another victim. 10-year-old makenna elrod. her family says she was an athlete, did gymnastics and played softball. we confirmed the news, that the husband of one of those teachers, irma garcia, actually suffered a medical emergency today. he had to be rushed to the hospital. joe garcia apparently dying just a few hours ago. his family says they believe he died of a broken heart. wolf. >> so sad. so heartbreaking. those pictures of those kids, all those stories, boris, thank you very much. let's discuss what's going on. a spokesman for the texas department of public safety is joining us right now. let chris olivarez. lieutenant, thank you so much for joining us. as you well know, officers were on the scene within minutes of the gunman entering that elementary school but it was another hour or so before the
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gunman was neutralized. can you walk us through what exactly law enforcement was doing for 60 minutes or so while the shooter remained in that classroom killing those kids and teachers? >> good evening, wolf. of course, that's something we want to clarify. there is a lot of conflicting statements and reports that are being shared. also on social media. that's why we want to provide factual information by corroborating that information through physical evidence. this is still early stages in the investigation. that's one thing we need to understand. we are trying to have a concrete timeline in place. of course, you heard earlier today when we held our press conference we were able to provide some of that information. one thing i want to stress s though is that officers were in the building within minutes. they maintained their presence inside that school. we had multiple officers that responded on the scene within minutes. two of those officers were shot. they took cover because you have to understand this is an active situation. you have an active shooter shooting towards law enforcement
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as well as the children, the students, the teachers that are inside that school. but those officers maintained cover. they did not flee from that school. they were inside that school while they were being shot at. so that's one thing i need to stress and clarify to the viewers and to everyone else out there, that those officers were on scene. also in addition to that, other officers arrived and they were able to evacuate other children as well and teachers. we have to understand, too, there was multiple, numerous -- it was a full school. i mean, they were trying to evacuate as many people as possible because in an active shooter situation your focus is to stop the killing and preserve life. at that point they had the suspect contained inside the classroom. if those officers weren't there, if they didn't maintain their presence, there is a good chance that gunman could have made it to other classrooms and commit more killings. >> was it a mistake, do you believe,let, for the officers on the scene who were there, as you correctly point out, to wait for the tactical team to arrive
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before fully pushing into that school and neutralizing the gunman? >> so, what we know, wolf, is that there was multiple officers that arrived on scene. there was three centers that arrived, made entry at one of the entrances where the gunman actually made entrance to. we had another four officers that made entry at the other entrance of the school. so there was officers inside that school. as they were taking gunfire, they were calling no for reinforcements, backup, tactical teams, snipers, any additional personnel that could arrive to assist to not only -- with the situation, but also to assist in evacuatek students and teachers. at that time that's when a u.s. border patrol tactical officer arrived. also with a county sheriffs deputy and two additional uvalde police department officers were able to go into that classroom with a ballistic shield as cover. of course, we know that one of those officers, an agent, actually, was shot, was grazed
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on the top of the head. but they were able to shoot and kill the suspect and preserve any other life. we know that there was other injured children inside that classroom that they were able to save as well and get them to cover. at that point it became a recovery process, a rescue operation, trying to rescue the injured and also any other potential children or teachers inside those classrooms. >> the current best practices, don't they call for officers to disable a shooter as quickly as possible regardless of how many officers are actually on site? >> correct. the active shooter situation you want to stop the killing, preserve life, but also one thing that -- of course, the american people need to understand that officers are making entry into this building. they do not know where the gunman is. they are hearing gunshots. they are receiving gunshots. at that point if they proceeded any further not knowing where the suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have
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been killed and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school. so they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings. >> your colleague at the department of public safety, lieutenant, said the majority of the gunfire was done at the beginning. does the evidence suggest the first few minutes are when all of those victims in that classroom lost their lives? >> well, that's what we are trying to corroborate right now by gathering evidence, also reviewing surveillance videos. that's going to be key to this investigation. also speaking to witnesses. that's one thing i got to stress, too. if there is anybody out there, any witnesses, neighbors, anybody that has information or has heard anything to contact the texas department of public safety because we are the lead investigating agency with the texas rangers division. they need to talk to the witnesses to corroborate any information that's being put out
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there so it's factual and we have physical evidence in place to provide accurate, concrete information. >> we are told, lieutenant, that the shooter actually got out of his vehicle and started shooting near the school before he actually entered the school. so was there any warning for the school to go into lockdown? >> well, that's another thing, too, we are trying to establish by working with the school staff, working with the school police officers as well to see what protocols were in place, what procedures were in place prior to the gunshots going off. again, it's early stages in this investigation. there is going to be constant updates. it's constantly evolving. with a mass shooting as this magnitude and also we have multiple crime scenes as well. again trying to gather as much etched as possible to fprovide that factual information and to have all those pieces in place so we can put -- establish actually how this took place, what took place and what we could have done differently. right now our focus is to establish this information and
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gather as much evidence as possible so we can provide that information to everyone that's out there because we know, we understand that people want answers, they want to know why this occurred. >> so important to learn lessons that law enforcement can use down the road. authorities now say, lieutenant, that the gunman wasn't -- was not confronted by anyone before he entered the elementary school after initial reports that a school resource officer had engaged the shooter. where is that initial inaccurate report come from because you told cnn earlier today that your department spoke to that officer last night. >> right. so that's information that we received early on in this investigation. that goes back to what i mentioned earlier by trying to corroborate all these information by getting factual statement from these witnesses. the texas rangers are now conducting interviews with the officers trying to establish exactly what was a role and that will help us establish a more factual concrete timeline as far as from the time the shooter
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arrived at the school when he crashed to the time that he was killed and what happened in between those hours -- or within that hour. so that's what we are trying to find out right now. we are conducting those investigations, speaking to witnesses and those officers are, obviously, key to the information. >> lieutenant chris olivarez, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> just ahead, we have exclusive new reporting from cnn on bipartisan gun reform negotiations amid serious questions over whether anything will actually get done after years of congressional inaction. they did it. did it while working day jobs and fitting in bedtime stories. ♪ they did it t with grit and determination. ♪ and so can you. ♪ start your journey at phoenix.edu.
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. the white house just announced president biden and first lady jill biden will
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travel to uvalde, texas, this sunday. also, exclusive new cnn reporting on bipartisan gun reform negotiations that are underway. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says he has directed texas republican senator john cornyn to reach out to top democrats on a possible deal. let's discuss with democratic congresswoman joaquin castro of texas. how much stock do you put into those words from the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell? >> well, i hope it's real. i hope it's more than just talk, that there will be some action. republicans in the past have hardly ever come forward and said this is affirmatively what we want to do to improve the situation, to make it harder for people to get a gun and go kill and mow down a lot of people very quickly. >> we have heard republicans here in washington and congress as well as in texas where you are say their focused on mental health, not guns right now, despite in gunman having no
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documented mental health issues. so what does a compromise response actually look like? >> well, you're right. i think that oftentimes we get in this debate about whether it's only a mental health issue or only a gun issue, and the fact is we can work on all of those things. we can work on mental health issues. w we can work on anti-bullying campaigns. it also involves making sure we limit the kind of guns that people can get and also who can get them. so that means red flag laws and things like universal background checks. and, wolf, i think there have been so many attempts by democrats to get legislation passed that i would say, okay, republicans, why don't we start with things like red flag laws, which have overwhelming support of the american people. universal background checks, which have 90% support of the american people. if they can't agree to those things that are overwhelmingly popular and really not directly
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regulating guns, if they can't agree to that, it's a ruse and they are not going to agree to anything >> the democratic senator from west virginia, senator joe manchin, said the atmosphere in his words feels different now than after the sandy hook massacre. if congress couldn't act after those first graders were killed, why would anything be different now? >> well, that's a fair question. and you do have a lot of americans who feel defeated on this, who feel like nothing is going to change. but in congress i have to remain optimistic because i think if you are part of congress and you give up, then you really shouldn't be there any longer. >> i know you are calling on the fbi now to investigate the timeline of this attack at the elementary school and the police response. how concerned are you, congressman, when you hear so many conflicting reports and so many unanswered questions? >> wolf, i have been disturbed
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by the press conferences that law enforcement has given and the conflicting public accounts that they have given, at least two, probably three conflicting accounts now, and i can't recall another situation like this, a shooting where you had so many f fog of war and a bit of chaos in a situation like this, but law enforcement now has had 48 hours to all come together, collect and gather accounts of what happened, and present that to the public, and it started the first day where for the first two primary election they refused to take any questions, which was odd by itself. now as you pointed out earlier, they first said that there was a law enforcement officer who immediately engaged in the shooter as he entered the school. they stayed that as early as this morning or as late as this morning, and then later today have said that's not true at all. well, i mean, wolf, that's bizarre. i mean, that's bizarre. and so i have asked the fbi to
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maximize its authority and investigate this because the american people, most of all those families in uvalde, deserve a clear and accurate account of what happened to their relatives. >> they certainly do. congressman joaquin castro, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks. coming up, so what went on inside the robb elementary school for roughly an hour before an armed mass killer was finally stopped? we'll be right back. lutions, and shows me how to get the most out of my workplace benefits. voya helps me feel like i got it all under c control. voya. well planned. well invested. well p protected.
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we are following disturbing revelations about the police response to the texas elementary school shooting. authorities now confirming that the gunman was killed about a full hour after he entered the elementary school and that initially he wasn't confronted by anybody. we're joined by don lemon who is reporting from uvalde, texas, tonight. don, i understand you just spoke to a woman who actually witnessed the aftermath of this brutal massacre. what did she tell you? >> reporter: i did speak with her, wolf. good evening to you. i spoke with her actually just a couple of hours after it happened live on my show on cnn and then when i got here one of the first things i wanted to do is meet her to find out her story. and also to speak with the families as well. look, when you are sitting at home or you are sitting in a, you know, anchor desk in the studio you don't get the full perspective. when she said she lived nearby, i didn't realize how close.
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this is basically in her front yard. she said she is an iraq war vet, she heard the gunshots. that started to trigger her experience in iraq as a veteran. then she heard the helicopter overhead, which also brought back memories. and then all of a sudden, wolf, she has in her front and backyards, she basically has another war zone in her yard. and what she has been doing here, wolf, is basically what many of the people have been doing. they have been getting out to meet their neighbors under the most extraordinary and horrific circumstances. we stood in her front yard, in her driveway for a moment, and as people were bringing in flowers and candles and balloons to put in this makeshift memorial in front of the school here, just started talking to people and saying it's nice to meet you, sorry it's under these circumstances, are you from the community. that's what she has been doing. she went to give blood the other day, she said. and yesterday she said it was too early.
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she was too late because there were so many people coming to help out. beto o'rourke, a lot of folks. that's what she has been doing. it's been really horrific. look, wolf, 21 crosses there. people are coming in now at a school that looks like any school in america. could be my elementary school, your elementary school. and now we have this very terrible situation. >> yeah, heartbreaking. 19 kids, two teachers gunned down, murdered. awful. what is the mood like there on the ground tonight, don? and how does it line up with what the nation is feel ring rit now? >> reporter: sadly, wolf, as we know, we have covered too many of these. we know, obviously, the mood is sadness. the shock is wearing off and right now people are, you know, it is sinking in, the tragedy of what happened. but besides wanting help, they are happy people are reaching out. the biggest concern is that they are concerned about the attention span of the american
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public, that they tune into these things on the news, help comes in immediately, the cameras are here. but we used to worry about when the cameras go away, that the attention with would go away. now the folks are concerned that even before the cameras go away that the attention span of the american public, they would have, you know, mass shooting fatigue and that they even in the moment, while they are still grieving and it's very raw, that people will become disinterested in this story and they said that cannot happen because this happens far too often in america and something has to change. this one time should be din. that's what they are conveying to me. >> we can only help. don lemon on the scene, thank you very much. to our viewers, join don later tonight for more live coverage. "don lemon tonight" 10:00 p.m. eastern. we will all be watching. thanks once again. >> i want to bring in our senior law enforcement analyst, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and former philadelphia
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police commissioner and d.c. police chief charles ramsey. after today's briefing from authorities it feels like there are more questions than answers right now. what questions do you have about that hour-long window before the gunman was actually neutralized? >> yeah. boy, wolf, there were certainly a lot of questions and concerns left hanging after that press conference. i know that we were told that there was, no fact, no school resource officer that interacted with the subject as he was approaching the school. that was excontradictory to wha we heard. then a lot of things came up out of the blue. there was a reference that the three officers who entered the building shortly after the suspect did, i think at 11:44, and who tried to approach the classroom but were rappelled by hostile fire from the suspect and then who remained in that
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position according to the interview you did just earlier. the question i have is did they actually hear shots continuing to take place in that room while they maintained a position of cover for what we now know was about an hour before tactical entry was made? that's a really impactful decision. there may be reasons they had for not going into the room. that would be good to hear from the command staff. but that seems to be at the heart of how and why they made that decision. that's something i'm sure that many, many parents want to know the answer to as we -- and i hope they address that directly in the days forward. the press conference also, they made reference to the fact that negotiations might have been going on. i am not sure that was just a misnomer or if they were actually making contact with the subject at that time. that's something we don't know
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either. there is a lot of questions. >> a a lot of questions. we want answers. everybody deserves answers, especially the families of those 19 kids and two teachers gunned down. chief ramsey, the first law enforcement officials on the scene we are told within a few minutes. is there anything in your mind that would justify that extended standoff? >> well, that's why we have to have answers. one hour is a very, very long period of time. we are talking about an active shooter here. we are not talking about a hostage barricade why no one is injured yet and negotiations are taking place. we are talking about an actual active shooter scenario. now, one thing i don't know, at least i haven't heard, is how much training uvalde or the sheriff's office, the front line people, not s.w.a.t., but the front line people have received in actual active shooter training. what kind of equipment do they have? many jurisdictions, and you can see it when the officers that were holding the crowd back, they have long guns, obviously.
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but they were waiting on a ballistic shield, for example. many jurisdictions, some of that equipment is in designated vehicles so it can get to the scene very, very quickly. i don't know their level of training because to wait an hour, i mean, that is a very long period of time, and to say things like the majority of shooting took place when the officers first arrived, that's not all of the shooting. there was still sol shots being fired. so you know you have injuries. you know you have people bleeding. you know, there are a lot of things that need to be covered that have not been covered yet. >> yeah, it's hard breaking just to even think about it. chief ramsey, thanks so much. andrew mccabe, thanks to you as well. more news ahead. i will speak with a texas official who had the agonizing responsibility of identifying the victims of the elementary school massacre. be conniption-f, thanks to the e cartridge-free epson ecotank k printer. a ridiculous amount of ink!
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mourning the loss of 21 wonderful people, including 19 children in an elementary school massacre is desperately searching for answers. for more i want to bring in lalo diaz, justice of the peace for the uvalde county. his job is the duties of the coroner, meaning he had the horrific task of actually identifying the victims. thank you for joining us. i understand you knew the victim irma garcia who was a teacher and we have now learned that her husband, joe garcia, he died today. his family says of a broken heart. the scale of this loss, all of these losses, is almost incomprehensible. first of all, how are you and the community coping? >> it's tough. like i said right now, we are just -- it's going to take some time for us to get through this, to get through this. like i said, it's going to be a
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long process. right now my focus has been throughout the lay for us to ensure that the medical examiner released all the victims to the funeral homes and that has happened already. so now the families can make arraignments with the funeral homes to see their loved ones. >> what was it like, lalo, to walk in and see these victims, have to identify them, these two teachers, these 19 little kids? what was that like? >> it was tough. i mean, i'm super glad -- i'm glad that i had good support. i had dr. molina from the medical examiner come down to uvalde and assist with this because, of course, she has more training in this aspect. but, you know, it's a scene like no other. so, of course, when you walk in
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you want to ensure that we do the -- do everything proper in order to identify them correctly. of course, you know, we were going to -- at that time we needed to bring in pictures, descriptions from the parents in order to match that up so that we could make proper id. the rangers, the bps, the chief of the uvalde independent school district all assisted in this to ensure that we identified everybody correctly prior to sending them to the medical examiner office. >> i know you say, l.a. alo, the first responders had to move bodies to get to injured survivors. it's so horrific to think about what he went through. i understand 111-year-old girl actually smeared blood on herself to pretend to be dead. how ex krewe krushcheviating was
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the wait for the victims and the families, the video of these parents outside the school as we've all seen is so heartbreaking. >> it's heartbreaking. again, as far as the first responders, i know that they had a job to do. they did an excellent job of going in there, assessing the needs, of course. i understand they had to move some bodies in order to continue to work with the first responders to get people to get medical attention, to the hospitals and so forth. but this was as horrific scene. again, i don't know all the details as far as survivors and what they had to do in order to be disguised. i don't know anything about that. by the time i got to the scene, all the survivors were out and we were just dealing with the victims. >> lalo diaz, thank you so much for joining us.
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thanks for all you are doing. we really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. coming up, so what can the united states learn from other countries that confronted deadly mass shootings? we'll take a closer look when we come back. riders! let your queries be known. i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...ireally cool. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa.
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making big promises to californians. what's the real math behind their ballot measure for online sports betting? 90% of profits go to the out of state corporations permanently. only eight and a half cents is left for the homeless. and in virginia, arizona, and other states, fanduel and draftkings use loopholes to pay far less than was promised. sound familiar? it should. it's another bad scheme for california. m as the united states reels from yet another mass shooting, many are wondering why this seems to be a uniquely american problem. cnn brian todd is taking a closer look at how other countries have tackled the issue. >> reporter: april, 1996, gunman
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killed 35 people in the australia resort of tasmania, 10 days later, australia prime minister john howard announced sweeping gun reforms, gun buy back program took a million guns out of circulation, ban on assault rifles and shot guns, 28 waiting period to buy a gun and national registry for would-be gun owners. how did the reforms work? >> their rates of gun violence declined substantially, both with respect to homicides and with suicides and virtually eliminated fatal mass shootings. >> reporter: since australia's gun control law went into effect in 1996, mass shootings went from nearly annual to almost never, with only one since that time. john pointed out, his government was able to get that done even though he's a political conservative. >> there was a lot of division within sections of my own
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political base that even the most cynical, sceptical person would acknowledge that we have made a big difference with that prohibition. >> reporter: hungerford england, 1977, man used two semi automatic rifles and handgun to kill 10 people, responding by banning those weapons. after killing teacher and children, announced a law banning all handguns, now one of the lowest rates of gun-related deaths. in new zealand, after massacres at two mosques that killed 50 people in 2019, government was praised immediately banning semi automatic military style weapons and a gun buy back problem. australia, britain, new zealand, all countries that had a culture of gun ownership before the mass shootings but analysts say they don't see the changes made there happening in america. >> the right to own a gun,
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second amendment is a huge part of american culture and i think that really affected the political dynamic and political will of getting anything done. >> it's the simple structure of our government in the united states that gives substantially undue power to low population, mostly rural states that are not too keen on gun control. >> reporter: the analyst we spoke to believe the best the u.s. can do at this point is expand background checks, expand red flag laws and more offever sight of gun dealers, wolf. >> excellent report, thank you very much, we'll be right back. the suncare brand used most by y dermatologists and d their families, neutrogena® for people with skin.
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finally tonight, our thoughts with the families of the shooting victims and everyone in pain after the senseless slaughter in texas. these are some of the 19 children and two teachers whose lives were cut short on what they thought was just another school day, we expect to learn more of their names in the days ahead. may they rest in peace and may their memories be a blessing. erin burnett, "outfront," starts right now. "outfront" next, more questions than answers. texas police facing intense scrutiny tonight over their response to the uvalde school massacre, as we learn the gunman entered the school without any resistance and it took over an hour for police to shoot and kill him. plus, more on one of the young lives lost in tuesday's tragedy, annabelle

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