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i'm jim acosta in washington. the justice department will review the police response in uvalde, texas. this is significant as texas officials and law enforcement are under intense scrutiny for the way officers responded. a top texas official admitting the decision not to breach the classroom was wrong, period. right now president biden is in uvalde meeting privately with families who lost loved ones in this horrific attack. he and the first lady placed flowers at the memorial site and attended mass at a church that will host far too many funerals in the coming days. 19 children and two teachers gone. this small town of only 16,000 people forever changed. cnn's arlette saenz is in uvalde. arlette, the president is once again offering comfort after yet another mass shooting in this country. >> reporter: this is something we've seen president biden do time and time again. but today he is here in the community of uvalde, texas,
wanting to offer some type of solace, some type of comfort to the families who lost so many loved ones in that horrific massacre here at robb elementary school behind me earlier this week. now the president right now is privately meeting with survivors and the family members of victims. he's been meeting with them for almost two and a half hours. the white house really blocking off a significant amount of his time here on the ground in uvalde to hear directly from those family members who lost loved ones. but first president biden stopped here at the memorial site at robb elementary. he and first lady jill biden took about 20 minutes reading each of the names, seeing and taking in the life-sized photos of these 19 children and two teachers who were gunned down during the school day on tuesday. the president, while he's also been here in uvalde, has also been hearing really from the local community members issuing calls to action both here at the
elementary school and as he was departing mass at sacred heart catholic church. there were demonstrators urging the president to do more. take a look at that moment. >> president biden, we need help! we need help, president biden! >> do something! >> dr. biden and president biden. we need help. we need help. >> reporter: so you heard those chants from those demonstrators saying do something, and
president biden mouthing those words, we will. of course there are so many questions about what that action will be. the president has said in the past that there's little more he can do via executive action on gun control and the white house insisting that it is time for congress to act. there is that bipartisan group of lawmaker senators who are holding the early preliminary discussions to see if there's some type of gun safety reforms that can get passed in the wake of this shooting here in uvalde, but there are so many questions about whether the two sides will actually be able to come together to get anything passed. you talked to members of the community here and they simply say they want to see some type of action, dough don't want uvalde to be forgotten in six months or a year from now. and i'll just note there are incredibly long lines at the elementary school. people from the local community. i talked to one man four hours to come here today. one person told us they waited 90 minutes in the texas heat to
try to pay their respects as so many families are grieving at this time at the loss of those 19 children and two teachers. >> arlette saenz, just so much desperation there in uvalde. thank you very much for that coverage. we appreciate it. joining me now is someone who knows firsthand the pain of losing someone to a mass shooting, manuel oliver's son, joaquin, was killed in the 2018 parkland shooting. he has since co-founded a nonprofit hoping to end gun violence. manuel, it's good to talk to you again. i'm so sorry that it's again after another one of these mass shootings. and as we wait to see if congress will do anything on gun control, there's a picture that sums up the challenges that we're facing as a country. i have to ask you about this because it just is outrageous. the gun maker of the weapon used in the uvalde mass shooting, perhaps you've seen this, post this had online ad in the days before the massacre in uvalde. it shows a small child holding
an ar-15 style rifle and the ad says train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. what goes through your mind when you see something like that? >> my first thought is the green light to do whatever the they want. participate of a graphic of what i just told you you are not allowed to make an act with whiskey or beer brand and a kid holding the bottle or a can. or from philip morris using a kit. that will be a whole scandal when it comes to the advertising industry and their limits, but you can apparently do that anytime you want using kids and guns and put them together and
pretend that people will believe that's an honest advertising strategy. >> and last hour i spoke to an nra board member and i asked him why on earth teenagers should be ap allowed to purchase assault weapons. here is part of that exchange. >> why can an 18-year-old have one in the army? >> they have military training in the army. this 18-year-old in uvalde did not have military training. he turned 18 and went out and bought an ar-15. >> the fact is that these kinds of issues are far more complicated than whether we remove something from the public. now maybe we should start prosecuting convicted felons trying to buy guns because we get thousands of them every month. >> judge, we hear that all the time and you have 18-year-olds shooting up shopping centers and schools and everything. they're not felons.
they're just kids. >> over 40,000 felons -- >> there's an ocean of guns in this country. it's an ocean -- we're swimming in guns. >> there were over -- well, we do have per capita a high number of firearms in this country. >> yeah. i guess it was remarkable, manuel, that he athletes acknowledged that, that we have a lot of guns in this country floating around. he was really at a loss for really any reasonable answers to any of our questions. >> well, i think they're running out of answers that make any sense. after what happened here, i've been in so many debates and how some are climate change narrative and just blame it on the delay from law enforcement which is, of course, a big part of the problem. we all know there's a higher delay on our politicians and members of the senate to make final decisions on more gun
restrictions. so these guys are at some point going to run out of answers and eventually we will have society that reacts. >> and last time we spoke you were holding these daily protests outside the white house in order to get a meeting with president biden to talk about gun control. i know you were invited to the white house last month when the president discussed a crackdown on ghost guns, and you went to the event wearing the shoes your son joaquin would have worn to prom. i know that was very emotional for you. how much progress have you seen under this administration? the white house, as arlette was saying a few moments ago, our white house correspondent, there's only so much they can do from an executive action standpoint. the filibuster stands in the way of the senate. but what would you like to see done? >> i totally disagree with a white house that that's the message they have. they throw out the fact they
can't do more. this is no time for baby steps, okay? i know that the big issue we have to look at the picture as it is and this is an 18-year-old that legally was able to purchase an ar-15. by the way, raising the age, which is also something that i've heard today from the white house, is also a baby step. explain that to the victims from vegas, the country music concert. so don't give me baby steps. we need real solutions. by the way, it's not even time for us to be tolerant anymore. so you either fix this or you're going to be forced to fix this. we have a mid-term election around the corner, and we're going to do everything that we
have from our side to change whoever is not letting things happen and move forward and save lives must be thrown out of their position. >> manuel, you helped create a sculpture called the last lockdown to show the gruesome reality of school shootings. do you remain hopeful after so many failed attempts to get gun violence reform passed? do you think that something could happen? i've heard others say maybe this is the tipping point. what do you think? >> i think it's up to us. i don't think this is a tipping point unless we do something. i am sick of waiting for people for things to be solved by themselves. it's not going to happen. this might be the tipping point because we had enough of saying enough is enough. we had enough of voting for the
wrong people and we have to make disruptive reaction. i'm going to give you a perfect example. when i see a politician like beta o'rourke doing what he did, getting to the middle of the room and calling out things by their name and you see more people doing that, that works in society. that's what i'm expecting from president biden, by the way. so don't tell me that the white house, their hands are tied. no, they're not. you are the president of the united states and kamala harris, you are the vice president. it requires more than just saying we have to wait for the congress and senate. don't blame it on me as a voter. so do your thing. do your job and raise your voice. >> manuel, unfortunately, you are now an expert in this area of grief after a mass shooting. as a father who deals with the grief of losing your son every
day, what advice do you give to the parents down in uvalde? >> i wouldn't be able to give advice to anyone. there's no -- there's no magic formula here. it's a process. i can tell you what i felt. i felt five years ago there was no reason for me to continue living. i thought about killing myself. that's what most of us think about because the reason, the main reason why you are living in this war, this planet, is to raise your kids, enjoy them, get to meet your grandkids. that is our retirement plan. that's the ideal thing. in america, in the united states, we are going through something that limits that option. so it's a process. it's going to take time. i was able to find reasons to keep from being here. i think i'm more useful for joaquin being alive than dead.
i think that patricia enjoys being a mother of joaquin and representing him in every single event that we go. it takes time. the pain stays. but it will make you do good things and become part of a solution eventually. >> manuel oliver, thank you very much. we're showing pictures of joaquin and we'll do it every time you come on. keep his memory alive. thank you for what you do. we appreciate it. >> thank you, jim. it was a pleasure. all right. coming up a cnn exclusive with doctors and nurses in the texas trauma unit that treated young victims of this week's shooting. >> after a while you start realizing more aren't coming and you start realizing why and then the weight of that sets in and it stays with you for the rest of the day and all the days after. that's why we build technology that helps everyone come to the tatable and do more incredible thingng.
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the delay may have cost lives, a little girl who may have been saved if police had reached her sooner. >> her mom told me her child had been shot by one bullet through the back, through the kidney area. the first spooneder that they eventually talked to said their child likely bled out. in that span of 30 or 40 minutes extra, that little girl might have lived. that little girl might have lived. >> gutierrez says it is not just the police who failed those children. he says everyone, including lawmakers, failed them. lucy, you spoke to pediatric trauma doctors and nurses in san antonio. i can't imagine the stories that they have to tell. what did they tell you? >> reporter: well, jim, a lot of them described a sickening sense of deja vu. many of those doctors and nurses were also working in 2017 when a gunman burst into the souther land springs first baptist
church, killing 26 people. and, you know, i can't help but think about these concentric circles of trauma that happened when the shootings take place for the families of the victims, for the community at-large, many of whom have been lining up here to pay their respects but also for the unsung heroes, the first responders, the doctors and the nurses who are responsible, tasked with keeping the survivors alive. we got to spend time inside a trauma unit at san antonio's university health hospital and even though these doctors and nurses are very well trained to respond to humanity at its worst moments for a lot of them the personal toll as parents and as humans is adding up. >> get the scope in there. >> reporter: at san antonio's university health hospital -- >> all of us would be in a level one if one came in. anesthesia is on their way. blood bank is on their way. >> reporter: doctors and nurses prepared to receive the most critically wounded.
it's one of the busiest trauma centers in the nation. >> you have your blade? okay, perfect. >> reporter: and cnn got exclusive access inside as pediatric trauma medical director and her team demonstrated preparations for a mass casualty event. >> anesthesia is here. go ahead and get up there with kelly so we can back her up in case it becomes a difficult airway. >> reporter: today it's a drill. >> this is one of the teams we formed, and the day of the mass casualty event, we formed multiple teams such as this. >> reporter: but it wasn't a drill on tuesday when a teenaged gunman burst inside robb elementary school in uvalde, texas, murdering 19 children and two teachers, injuring at least 17 others, officials say. >> it's devastating. i think the same thing that every other person in this country is thinking, you know, how horrible their last moments were, right, and what that scene
looks like. >> reporter: the trauma unit prepared to receive dozens of uvalde's wounded. >> the blood has been checked. >> reporter: nurse colleen davis the agonizing wait for patients and a grim realization. >> after a while you start realizing more aren't coming and you start realizing why and then the weight of that just kind of sets in and it stays with you for the rest of the day and all the days after. >> reporter: four of the victims were brought right here to university hospital. three little girls and the shooter's grandmother. the doctors and nurses working here, it, unfortunately, wasn't their first mass shooting. >> reporter: less than five years ago a gunman slaughtered 26 people at the first baptist church in sutherland springs. >> none of us anticipated that we would be involved in yet another mass casualty event.
it's not something we imagined. >> reporter: trauma nurse crystal flores was working alongside dr. liao as patients began to flood in. she can't believe it's happened again. >> i immediately got, like, this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. deja vu basically because it was even in the same location where we got notified from sutherland springs. >> reporter: flores is haunted by the lives her team couldn't save. >> things in my brain, what if they would have gotten here 30 minutes after the first notification probably would have saved a lot of people. it's just very what ifs, what ifs and it doesn't change the outcome. >> reporter: like many of other colleagues, flores is also a parent. >> he just turned 6 and is in kindergarten, and today is his last day of school. and i have a 1-year-old. it is just hard.
>> reporter: dr. liao focuses on her team, her family and her little ones. >> that's what you want to amplify at a time like this. amplify being grateful and the kindness that the world shows rather than focusing on the negative because that can really put you in a wrong place moving forward. >> reporter: she breaks down when she talks about the invisible scars the surviving children will carry. >> i kind of thought back to when i was 10 years old. and so when i was 10 years old, my family immigrated to this country, and my biggest challenge was learning to speak
english, and you just can't imagine what these children are going through, and it's really unfair. it's really unfair. >> reporter: and, jim, that impact felt so far beyond uvalde. i have to add it didn't make it into our piece but when you walk into that hospital there's this huge banner there that was sent to the doctors after the sutherland springs massacre. it was sent by the trauma doctors and nurses in aurora, colorado who, of course, experienced their own mass shooting in 2012. the san antonio hospital sent its own banners to the doctors treating the pulse nightclub shooting victims in florida. the woman, the pr woman at the hospital actually broke down into tears when describing sending out these banners saying i don't know how many more of these i'm going to have to keep making. jim? >> lucy, that was an excellent report. nurses and doctors who work in trauma units are accustomed to dealing with so much heartbreak
and to see that woman you were speaking with breaking down, it just breaks my heart. lucy, thank you very much for that report. we appreciate it. and for more information on how you can help victims of recent mass shootings including the one in uvalde, texas, log system on to cnn.com/impact. est 5g network. but, they don't. they only cover select cities with 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered.
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optimism. senator ted cruz laid out his reasoning at friday's nra meeting. >> many would still tell us that the evil on display in uvalde or in buffalo derives from the presence of guns in the hands of ordinary american citizens. but it's never been about guns. >> and days before that speech democratic congressman blasted senator cruz for his stance on guns tweeting fu, tweet cruz. you care about a fetus but will let our children get slaughtered. get your ass to cancun. you are useless. they're not backing down. even in response to what happened in uvalde, the stands is no new gun restrictions what sofer coming from the gop. >> it doesn't surprise me. they care more about the gun and
the humans affected by it. they will continue to do it. maybe a little dance here and there. at the end of the day they're going to stay with what they know which is they're going to stall. they're going to say thoughts and prayers and at the end of the day more massacres until we really decide this is no longer feasible and pass real laws and real reforms. >> let me ask you about that. vice president harris called for a new assault weapons ban. we saw what happened in the mid-1990s, a ban was passed in 1994. it lasted for ten years. it ended in 2004. during that time there were just 400,000 ar-15 style guns in america. now it's estimated to be something like 20 million in this country. do you think a new ban is possible? >> i think at a minimum, 20 million weapons out there, but at minimum we should look at the logical conclusion. the last two shooters were 18, and they both bought weapons
that are ar-15 variants, the type of one i used in iraq. it is illegal for someone below the age of 21 to buy a handgun. it is dangerous for someone under 21 to own a handgun but why can they have a weapon designed to have mass killing, something that, unfortunately, is happening a lot in this country? >> there has been a lot of debate about raising the age to purchase an ar-15 style rifle. do you think there might be some room there to make something happen, potential? >> i would hope so. i know there's a bill i've signed on on the house side. i think there's some momentum. it's logical. it already meets with some of the standards we already understand. if you are too young to own a handgun you should be too young to own a weapon of this caliber and size. i'm not saying you can't have a hunting rifle. you should not have this type of weapon that is basically designed to kill as many people as fast as possible. >> and i just spoke with an nra
board member, philip a attending the event. his reaction to kids who will never be the same again, who don't want to go back to school, and this is what happened. i want to get your reaction to what the survivors of tuesday's school shooting told cnn. let's listen. >> do you ever want to go back to school? >> i don't want to, no, because i don't want anything to do with another shooting and me in the school. >> are you scared it might happen again? >> mm-hmm. i know it might happen again probably. >> i have the fear of guns now because i'm scared someone might shoot me. >> what do you say to these children who say they're afraid somebody is going to shoot them
if they go back to school? >> well, i say to the children that we all pray for you and we all want to lift you up in prayer, that we want to hope that you get through this without the consequences that we see so often in victims of domestic crime. i practiced law for 25 years and i've been a judge in criminal court for over 14 years. and now i'm doing family law. so i do think i understand what's in the best interests of children. i've been doing thousands of cases. >> best interests of children and essentially saying thoughts and prayers. >> this is america. we don't have -- it doesn't have to be this way. it was not always this way. we're accepting some standard that we would never want our children to have. we want our children to have a better life than we have and i honestly cannot say we're offering that to our children. i got to live in this probably the last period of time i could go to school without this threat. it's ridiculous our kids have to live that way and they don't. they just don't. >> and the other thing this nra
board member said, and you and i were chatting about this before the segment started, there are 18-year-olds in the military with ar-15s. >> they don't own the weapons. they're in an armory. every bullet is accounted for. you do a background check before you get that weapon. there's psychological tests, also, before you get that weapon. you have to, at least in the marine corps, 2 1/2 weeks of dry firing before you shoot is that one weapon. you have to requalify every year. if you want to have those standards, i'm up for those standards. for them to say that an 18-year-old grabbing a gun off the street or off some dealer is the same as an 18-year-old in the military, they're not even close to each other. >> they get training in the military. you got training in the military. >> and every day you lock away your weapon. unless you're in a war zone that weapon is in an armory, it's accounted for every day. >> some 18-year-old playing video games at his grandmother's house turns 18 can buy an ar-15, not the same as an 18-year-old in the military. >> correct.
>> you slammed kirsten sin ma on t twitter. people have been pushing you to challenge senator sinema. >> senator sinema and manchin, they could get a good compromised bill. maybe it is stopping 18-year-old -- people bloep the age of 21 from buying ar-15 weaponry. because these republicans know that there's a filibuster and they won't break the filibuster, they're going to buy their time and end up getting a symbolic vote and nothing will happen and, unfortunately, more kids will end up getting slaughtered. >> i suspect some of them may want to see that filibuster go away on this issue just so they can vote on something like this to show their constituents they're doing something about it. congressman gallego, thank you for your time.
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are alive. i am alive. this is irina. she is sleeping on the floor. some other people in the shelter woke up. it's already morning. it's like more than 7:00 in the morning. connor is sleeping here. it's very important that we survived this night. now the day has come. at night everything looks much more scary for people. so, as you can see, even many people left the bomb shelter right now because it's more than 7:00 in the morning. >> many in kyiv are leaving. long lines of cars clogged the roads heading west.
train stations around the country fill with families trying to get out. olena decides she and the kids will stay. >> i feel safe here. the chances for us to die here in kyiv are equal for the chances for us to die on the road. and another thing, i want my children to be alive, of course, but both physically and spiritually. i want them to be strong. i want them to be free. >> reporter: olena's husband brings supplies for her family. he's volunteered to fight despite having no military training. [ speaking foreign language ]
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. on this memorial day weekend, americans are gathering across the country to remember the armed services, men and women who gave their lives for this nation. over the nation, americans have traveled to quiet places of remembrance, like arlington memorial, to visit our parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, spouses and children. it cannot be said enough how grateful we are for their service. on this memorial day weekend, there is a different kind of grief welling up inside of all of us. in uvalde, texas, families are beginning to mourn the death of children and teachers who lost their lavs in the massacre at robb elementary school. in new york, the relatives the of that recent mass shooting. only two weeks ago are still
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