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are you a christian author with a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! good evening. a week ago today, a gunman took 21 lives at rob elementary school in uvalde, texas, he murdered 21 people. starting today and the next two weeks, people in uvalde will be attending funerals for the 19 children and two teachers he murdered, two weeks of mourning following a lifetime of absence. tonight, for the first time, a
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phone message sent to parents by the school district while the shooter was still in the school. we've also just learned that this man, pedro pete arradondo, chief of police for the uvalde school district who was incident commander that day, meaning the person authorities said made the decision to not have officers immediately go into that classroom and stop the shooter even though he knew it was an active shooter situation, he, according to our reports, has not responded to state investigators for two days. so keep that in mind as you listen to this recording obtained by affiliate ksat. it went out at 12:20 local time, in other words, as the shooting was happening and as police were standing nearby in a texas town for a tactical team to arrive, assemble, gear up, and then go in. no one was confronting the shooter during that time. police were standing outside. adjoining classrooms where kids were wounded, possibly dying still and others were hiding,
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smearing themselves with blood in order to appear dead, as one girl did. or calling 911 for help. and those police officers were not going in. >> with uvalde ciac, uvalde ciac parents, there is an active shooter at robb elementary. law enforcement is on site. your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. as soon as more information is gathered, it will be shared. the rest of the school district is under a secure status of a precautionary measure to keep our students and staff safe. we appreciate your cooperation and understanding at this time and we will share more information as it becomes available. thank you. >> so that call goes at 12:20 local time, school district telling parents there's an active shooter situation at the school, yet the 19 officers at the scene were treating it as something other than that, mistakenly so, because when it comes to dealing with active shooters, the guidelines are clear.
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>> first of all, when it comes to an active shooter, you don't have to wait on tactical gear. plain and simple, you got an obligation -- >> he's saying you don't have to wait on tactical gear. in fact, i want to read you a couple items from the active shooter training manual for the state of texas. item one is the prime director. it reads, "stop the killing. officer's first priority is to move in and confront the attacker this may include bypassing the injured and not responding to cries for help from children." the key, they're saying, is to stop the shooter. in any way necessary. item two is this blunt advice -- a first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field. so that's what the police on scene should have done but did not do for one hour. yet listening to that same
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official, steven mccraw, at a briefing just a day after the shooting, before the reality of what police didn't do was clear to everybody, police knew, people who had been on the scene knew, but the rest of the world did not know. if you listen to mr. mcgraw, steve mcgraw at that point, the day after the shooting, may have been led to believe a delay never happened, that everybody on the scene acted as quickly as they should have. >> when the shooting began, we had uvalde police officers arrive on scene, along with the consolidated independent school district officers immediately breached, because we know as an officer, every second's a life. they breached it, engaged the active shooter and continued to keep him pinned down in that location, you know, afterwafrds until a tactical team could be put together, comprised of border patrol agents on the front end, some members of their unit, a s.w.a.t. team for border patrol. >> so, he's saying they breached
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it, they engaged with the shooter, and then waited for a tactical team. he mentioned nothing about when the children were killed. there were children still alive calling 911. when he said that, the day after the shootings, there were already questions, because the training on active shooters is clear -- you do not wait for a tactical team. you don't wait for backup. you just don't wait. statistics gathered by the fbi in the wake of sandy hook in a 2013 report where they looked at all active shooter situations going back to columbine note that the average active shooter situation lasts 12 minutes and 30% are over in less than five minutes. sorry sorry, 37%. that means that in less than five minutes, most of the people are killed 37% of the time. at robb elementary, according to a regional director for texas public safety department,
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majority of gunfire was at the beginning of the attack, which is what we just said, most, many times, most of all the people are killed right away. but crucially, the shooting did not end. we now know that at 12:21, after police had been outside the classroom for a half hour already, a minute after the phone call from the school went out to parents saying there was an active shooter situation going on, three more shots are fired and a third student inside the classroom calls 911. the third 911 call, meaning a child was still alive in there and calling for help. and yet, still, no police went in. and on friday, that texas public safety official you heard a moment ago gave the reason. >> the onscene commander considered a barricaded subject and there was time and there were no more children at risk. obviously -- obviously, you know, based upon the information we have -- and not a barricaded subject. >> the thing is, saying based on
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the information we have, implying we now know that wasn't the case, but the thing is, somebody in the police department certainly knew, i mean, they'd heard more shots. they knew the shooter was shooting at somebody, or something. and police had received 911 calls from -- the third one at 12:21. they knew there were still kids in the classroom with the shooter. they knew that then, it's not just we now have that information, as he was implying. their 911 dispatchers certainly knew some of those kids were alive and still in danger. does that information get sent down to the police who were standing in the hallway? contrast that to the response when a gunman opened fire at the washington, d.c. navy yard in 2013. you can see all the different agencies, military and civilian responding. the after-action report details all the confusion and mixed signals authorities in uvalde may have experienced. it also praises the cooperation of many agencies, 127 responders in all.
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and yeah, they went in. the first officers who went in, if you look at the surveillance footage -- it's a member of the navy. it's a bicycle police officer. they went in and they killed the gunman. certainly different place with different resources, yet it's hard to say the team that went into robb elementary was unders undermanned. there were 19 armed officers there and more nearby. and a far more confined location than many with urgent need to act which they didn't do. and also chief aradondo no longer seems to be cooperating with the investigation. we'll be joined in a moment by two law enforcement professionals, one who trains first responders on what to do in active shooter situations. first, more from cnn's ed lavandera. >> reporter: a chilling account from inside robb elmentry. >> we got shot! >> where, where? >> a kid got shot?
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>> reporter: that audio was taken by a man who spoke to cnn but didn't want to be publicly identified. a facebook live video includes what he says is audio from the radio in a customs and border protection vehicle outside the school. it is not clear at what point during the shooting this video was taken. we're also hearing from a customs and border protection officer whose wife is a teacher at the school, where his daughter is also a second grader. he was off-duty at a barbershop when he got this text message from his wife. >> there's an active shooter. help, i love you, from my wife. >> reporter: that's when he raced over to what he describes as a chaotic scene at the school. >> everyone was trying to get to the school. people were trying to get everything situated. i was trying to get toward my wife's room and daughter's room. as i was going in, i could see kids coming out of the windows and coming my way, so i'm helping all the kids out. >> reporter: both his wife and daughter got out safely.
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one teacher describes the tense moments in her school room after spotting the gunman outside her class window. >> i just kept hearing shots fired and i kept praying, god, please don't let him come in my room. please don't let him come in this room. and for some reason, he didn't. >> reporter: abc news obtained a portion of video that appears to be audio from a 911 operator relaying information from a child inside the classroom. >> we have a child on the line, he is in the room full of victims. >> reporter: questions remain focused tonight on the police response. the texas department of public safety director says it was the school district police chief, pete arradondo, who made the decision not to breach the classrooms earlier. arradondo, who hasn't been seen publicly since the shooting, is facing harsh criticism and a department of justice review for what officers didn't do. as kids inside the school repeatedly called 911, pleading for help. >> you cry and you mourn harder here because they didn't have a chance. >> reporter: the first funerals
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for the victims in the mass school shooting in uvalde were held today. >> when that casket lowers, for me, it's the realization that you won't be able to touch them again. one more hug, one more kiss, one more good-bye. >> reporter: the funeral expenses for every family are being covered at no cost thanks to anonymous donor, according to texas governor greg abbott. >> off the top of my head, i couldn't tell you how many, but i think one every day. >> reporter: father moralez says he will preside at 12 funeral services for victims over the next two weeks. today, visitations or funerals were held for at least four students and one teacher. >> nobody should ever have to go through this hardship, you know? and something that could have very well been avoided. >> ed lavandera joins us now. authorities gave update on the back door the shooter reportedly used to enter the school, reports it was left open, maybe a rock in place to leave it open. what did they say?
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>> reporter: well, anderson, you're right. if you remember last week, texas department of public safety investigators were saying an unidentified teacher had left that back door dropped hope and that's how the gunman got inside the school. well, now, that story has changed. texas department of public safety officials are now saying that that teacher once she realized that there was a gunman on the campus went back to the door and closed it, but it did not lock. anderson? >> ed, appreciate it. thank you. more now on chief arradondo and why he hasn't responded to texas rangers for two days who are investigating what went on. cnn's shimon prokupecz has more on that. do authorities know why the uvalde school district police chief is not responding? >> reporter: i think part of it is now he knows there's this scrutiny on, he perhaps has concerns legally for himself, and that's why he's not responding to their questions.
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but for all intents and purposes, he's not cooperating at this point with the texas rangers. they've asked him for information, for followup interviews and so far, that has not happened. we have been making every effort to try and get in touch with him. we've been to his home. we've been trying other ways to reach him, and anderson, we've just not been able to get to him. he was not at that friday press conference. the dps said they didn't know why he wasn't there. just a lot of questions and need some answers but no one really knows where he is right now. >> shimon, i want to play a question that you asked to police, i think this was -- this was last week, it was thursday, and i just think it's really important, because, you know, there are a lot of -- there were a lot of questions from the moment, you and i spoke on the phone the day after this when i was going down there and you've been on the scene, and i asked you about the statement that the police had made and it was clearly written, the way the
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statement, the police -- it was strange the way it was worded, it clearly was avoiding some very glaring topics like why were they waiting for a tactical team. you finally confronted one of the police officials about it and i think it was an important moment and i just want to play that. >> reporter: you guys have said he was barricaded. can you explain to us how he was barricaded and why you guys cannot breach that door? >> so i have taken all your questions into consideration. we will be doing updates -- > >> reporter: you should be able to answer that question now, sir. >> seems it was after that press conference and i might have the timing wrong, but that they realized people were aware -- reporters were asking questions, you were asking really important questions that they frankly had been dancing around for days and avoiding talking about. >> reporter: right. and anderson, in the beginning, there was information about, well, maybe he was inside that
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classroom for 30 minutes. then we started getting indications that, well, no, it may have been up to an hour. that's when you started seeing that there were holes in this story. having covered other active shooters, sadly, you know, i was just in buffalo two weeks ago. you know, in terms of when you cover these stories, you always hear from the police that they move in quickly, they neutralize the gunman. we did not hear that in this case. the timeline kept changing and kept moving further and further away, which showed that perhaps the police didn't do exactly everything they were supposed to do. and you sort of just got the sense that the public here, the families, the parents of these kids, were not getting the full story, because it's almost as if the police officers were trying to protect themselves and, sure enough, after days and days of asking, anderson, we get the truth and we see that these officers were simply standing in a hallway, protecting themselves
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while the gunman was inside with kids, children, as you said, who were still alive. >> and it's also clearly other officers knew that this was a problem, because in their public statements early on, what they kept pointing out was all the, you know, the officers who went and broke windows to help other kids get out in other parts of the school, which is very important and a great thing and obviously important, but the number one priority if you have a gunman cornered in a room and there are children in that room and even if you think that all the children have been killed, you don't know, and even then you're getting 911 calls from a child in the room and there are three 911 calls. it just was interesting to me that that's the story they were selling in the first couple days about getting the broken windows and getting all the kids out of the school and avoiding the most important question. and it took days and a press conference like the one where you asked questions. was there anything new we learned about the investigation
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today? >> reporter: well, other than the fact that we have this new information about aradondo, not the chief of the school, the school police, that he's not cooperating. obviously they changed the story now on the door, initially saying this teacher left the door open. and really, anderson, even that piece of information only started trickling out because her lawyer came forward to the local newspaper and revealed that information. so, the police are not even being proactive with discrepancies in their own story and putting them out there. it takes other people to come forward and then they finally come out with the new information. look, the bottom line, anderson, is that now, more than ever, we need to see those surveillance video tapes that are from the holdways of that school. and we need to listen to the radio transmissions that the police were having between each other on that day. who was giving the orders not to go in, not to storm the door? yes, they're blaming the chief of the school police. however, you talk to officials
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here and law enforcement from all across the country, they'll tell you, there were many other senior level people there, like the chief of the local police, the sheriff was on-scene, why weren't those people standing up, saying, wait, we may be making a bad decision here, we need to storm into that classroom. so, there are still a lot of questions that the police need to answer. the local state senator, anderson, here, for the district here, says that he expects to get a report from the texas officials that are conducting this investigation, on friday. so, maybe then, anderson, we'll learn more. >> shimon, thank you. joining us now, 17-year new york police emergency service unit veteran andy brashad and thomas ramsey. andy, thank you for joining us. chief ramsey, as well. the decision that well all the people in the room are probably dead and therefore we don't need to go in until a tactical unit arrives, if that was their
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thinking, does that make any sense to you? >> thank you for having me, anderson. no, no, of course not. from the reports we're getting, the broken pieces of reports, you had communication with the 911 operators that there were children or seriously injured victims inside and there needed to be a clear decision, whatever you want to term it, active shooter, barricade, there's potential loss of life, whether it be a child, an adult, there's human life at risk and a decision needs to be made to aggressively approach the sub subject. >> chief ramsey, we received information of dispatch call to 911 from a child inside the school, letting them know what was happening. how does something like that come through -- would that -- i mean, would that go to the officers who were on the scene? >> well, i mean, it should. someone should be receiving that kind of information. but that's why the doj investigation is going to be so critically important. until we have that independent investigation, where we get
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actual timelines, verified facts, and hopefully they've already notified all agencies to save all audio tapes, video tapes, written reports, everything that has to do with this investigation, or this case, so that they can investigate it thoroughly, because right now you're getting bits and pieces and they're putting information out without even verifying it and that's why it keeps changing all the time. so, we really do need this independent investigation. >> andy, for a "60 minutes" report i was able to take a couple of training exercises with the new york police department in their active shooter training. they have every officer go through active shooter training because any officer could be a first responder, depending where they are, when a shooting like this happens. and one of the things that surprised me is instructors are saying, even if there are injured people in the hallway also you approach a room where there's a shooter, you don't -- you don't stop for the injured
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people, the priority number one is stop the shooter. can you just explain why that is so important? >> certainly. bleeding control is absolutely essential, so is neutralizing the threat, whether it be taking him into custody, neutralizing usually deadly force. the more the active shooter has to continue, more deaths or serious injury can be accumulated. so, we train them to bypass it. previous situations, i don't want to name specifically, where children were reaching out, you know, grabbing responders as they were advancing through and we drill that into our officers and students that you need to go by and locate, isolate and neutralize the threat by whatever means necessary. >> that has to be the toughest job for a police officer, you know, to do that, knowing that it's going to potentially save more lives. chief ramsey, what happens here next? i mean, you have this police officer who is not responding to
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authoritiyies who are investigating that. does that, you know, does that hamper the investigation? >> well, it slows it down. but i would not be surprised if he has an attorney by now telling him not to make any public statements. obviously, he's exposed, perhaps criminally, but certainly civilly. and i think both the school district and the chief have a lot to face on the civil side of things, so, he may be told not to cooperate. in the meantime, they're going to continue the investigation as best they can, but once doj gets involved, maybe that will change in terms of him actually cooperating. you don't want to see this thing get to a grand jury or anything like that. you want to be able to do the investigation, do a thorough investigation. you can't really do that without him. he was the incident commander at the time, so it's going to be important that they be able to speak with him, as well as others. and you raised something very important, anderson, that i don't want to overlook. there were other top officials there on the scene.
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i've handled a lot of those things and andy probably has too and you got something as significant as a school shooting? guess what, you're on the phone notifying a whole bunch of folks. elected officials, everyone else, letting them know what's going on. and so, this thing could go a lot higher than the chief, once the investigation of this really gets going. >> and andy, just briefly, i mean, you agree, time is the most -- is the critical factor here. that's why everything has to be done so quickly, that's why -- a tactical team in most, you know, not in new york, but in a lot of cities or small towns, it would take a long time for a tactical team to gather, right? >> no, absolutely. i'm blessed with being in the city of new york. we have a tactical team i was involved with for 20 years at hand. we train even our own officers in manhattan, as condensed as it is, it might be the boots on the ground patrol guys going in. but we find statistically that the perpetrator, the active shooter are said to be cowards.
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by pressing them, cornering them, isolating them, it can make a tremendous difference. time is absolutely a factor that needs to be pressed, which is why we show, lock the doors, slow them down. they know they have a limited time of carnage to create before they're pressed to face law enforcement. >> andy, chief ramsey, thank you so much. coming up next, the four of one young girl who lost her life at robb elementary. we'll talk to him. and later, key developments in the fight for eastern ukraine, on and off the battlefield, including the announcement that rocket systems are being sent to ukraine. we'll talk to wesley clark ahead.
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to draw. she wanted to be an artist and she already was. i want to show you some of her art the work. this is her father's facebook page. the winning poster that she designed for her age group to help promote bullying prevention. the title, kindness takes courage. and it certainly does. her father, ryan ramirez, joins us now. ryan, thank you so much for being with us. i am so sorry for your loss. can you tell us a little bit about alithia? it's so lovely to see her art. >> alithia, she was very loveable and kind. she was just rely -- she was, she was just there for anybody that needed anything. and that was one thing that we all loved about her. and just with the drawing, she just loved drawing.
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loved drawing so much. every day, she always had a crayon in her hand just going to town. >> i understand that president biden, you met with him and he said he wanted to have some of alithia's work in the white house. >> yes. he had told me that he, just to pick one of the -- one of the drawings that she had did, that she wants it at the white house. >> there was -- there was a little girl named grace mcdonald who was killed at sandy hook and she -- she was also an artist and i remember president obama, his -- grace's family, lynn, her mom, gave president obama a drawing of an owl that she had done and he actually had that at the white house, so, there's a history for that. can you tell us about last tuesday, i mean, not only did you go through the worst thing imaginable, but just the waiting
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that you went through is horrific. >> i mean, we had 50/50. that's what our odds were. because i called hospitals. i got with whoever was in c charge helping get kids out of the school, so we had that thinking that, you know, she's out there somewhere hiding. and that's what we were going through, thinking that she was out there. >> and i knew you were at the civic center where they told you to go, then back to the school, then to go back there and how long was it until you actually
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learned what happened? >> all of this, i found out that -- this was around 12:00, and i had a buddy of mine helping us find her and i -- i would think -- i think we found out a little bit before midnight. so i mean, almost 12 hours until they told us that she was deceased. >> your daughter's funeral is this sunday. it's -- how are you getting through each hour? each -- each minute? >> just remembering all the good things, all the things she had told us. we're going through pictures and videos. and we have our ups and we have our downs and -- i believe that
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alithia would want us to be strong. and that she's in a better place. she's in a better place and she's safe. >> well, she's such a beautiful, beautiful little girl and ryan, i'm so sorry. >> i see her drawing. >> yeah. i love the idea that a drawing of hers will be in the white house. ryan, thank you so much for sharing a little of alithia with us. >> thank you. >> i wish you continued strength and peace in the days ahead. ryan ramirez, thank you. >> we'll have more from ewe is value dooe, as well as from the war in ukraine. we'll be right back.
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number of developments tonight in ukraine to tell you about, starting with a new editorial by president biden published just moments ago in "the new york times." it states the u.s. is providing ukraine more advanced rocket systems and munitions. also today, an oil embargo of russia by the european union, part of a larger parkage of sanctions that takes aim at two-thirds of russian oil imports. on the battlefield, ukrainians now say that russia controls mostsievierodonetsk, which is a key city in the earn donbas region. it's a big gain for russia. today, both sides blaming the other after the explosion what ukrainians said was a tank of
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nitric acid at a chemical plant in that city. separately, officials say all critical infrastructure in the city has been destroyed and more than 90% of homes are damaged. today, president zelenskyy said the ukrainian military has made progress in the north in kharkiv and the south in kherson. matthew chance is in kyiv with more. so, talk more about the gains that russian forces have made in donetsk and the luhansk regions in the east. >> reporter: yeah, anderson, they've made some significant gains in that city of severodonetsk, which is the last big remaining city to be captured by the russians in the luhansk region. luhansk region important because it's half of donbas. the russians say they want the whole of donbas as a military priority. so once they establish full control, it will be a big political win for moscow, because it can say, you know, look, we've achieved 50% of our
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aim. but the fight has been, you know, very dirty, literally. we've seen these images of a massive plume of orange smoke billowing over the battlefield, after a chemical plant came under attack. both sides blaming one another. it's also been a scene of fierce fighting, as well, with the ukrainians making sure that the russians pay as high a price as possible militarily to gain control over that city. so, a very nasty struggle for that town, indeed. there's been fighting elsewhere in the region as well, but particularly, the counteroffensive that's been taking place to the south of the country. as russia has been focusing much of its resources to achieve that political and military win in severodonetsk, the ukrainians have been taking advantage of possible vulnerabilities to the south and trying to reclaim territory with some success in that area, striking against
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territory that had already been conquered by the russians and bringing it back under ukrainian government control. so in the east, there is progress by the russians but also an ebb and flow on the battlefield and ukrainians are also making gains. ka. >> it's interesting to see this video from the ukrainian defense intelligence of, i assume that's a ukrainian helicopter being used by ukraine, we haven't seen that very often. this past weekend, president biden said he would not send rockets with the range to strike targets inside russia. we now learned he plans to send, quote, more advanced rocket systems and munitions. do we know what kind of weapons the ukrainian leaders say they need on the front lines? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, look, they want more weapons, is the kind they need. but particularly, they need weapons with a longer range, because they're coming under increasing attack from long range weapons from the russian side, and they've got nothing to answer that with. they're just having to sit there and take the punishment.
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and it's -- it means that the russians are being able to make these battlefield gains. to turn that tide, and to reverse those gains, they're going to need long-range weapons and they've been asking the americans and other allies for this for some time. and there are going to be weapons given to ukraine, of course, as part of the $40 billion worth of aid, including $20 billion in military aid that the biden administration's already agreed. but it's not the longest range weapons they could have provided. some of these mlrs, multiple launch rocket systems that the ukrainians have been asking for, they can reach 300 miles, in terms of range. the biden administration is giving weapons systems with a much shorter range of that. somewhere in the region of 50 miles or so is the figure i've heard, but it's still sort of more than doubles the capability in terms of range that the ukrainians would have, have at their fingertips.
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>> matthew chance, appreciate it. perspective now from retired general wesley clark, cnn military analyst. general clark, you heard matthew's report. do you believe the momentum of the war in the east has shifted in favor of russia? >> yes. it is shifting. it hasn't fully shifted but it is shifting, because what we never hear about anderson, these brave ukrainians who held it so long, they are taking losses in holding it. so, they're getting pounded, and the russians are an artillery-heavy army. they've always been that. they outnumber the ukrainian artillery two to, three to one. they match it. it's hard for them to stand up to that without taking casualties, so yeah, the momentum is shifting. can it be held? can we hold in donbas, are we going to get blown out of there? that remains to be seen. the president's remarks in his op-ed are really, really important, very significant at this moment, and very -- going to be very warmly welcomed, i'm
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sure, by ukraine. what he says is, we're going to provide longer ranged systems. and when you don't have a massive artillery, you've got to be able to have longer range and better warheads to be able to outgun the enemy and keep that artillery off your own troops. so these mrls when they get there i think will make a big difference. >> and i should know this, but their range is far greater than the howitzers that the u.s. has been providing? >> that's right, probably double. depends on the exact edition of the rocket that's sent there, but 70, 80, 90 kilometers is possible. so, that's the 50-mile that matthew was talking about. and the howitzers are shooting at best 24 miles. >> you know, it's interesting. now, the war is harder for people around the world to see. harder for reporters to get to the front lines, not like when they're bombing kyiv and people can see the horror on their television screens or, you know, wherever they watch these images come across. and so people stop paying
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attention. and then world leaders, also, you know, nato, president biden has cobbled together nato and had, you know, they're more united than they've probably been in a long, long time. how long can that unity stay, though, as the war, you know, leaves the front pages in some cases, and as it becomes more complicated as russia, you know, may make a play to just hold on to the land they've been able to take and say they won't go any farther -- seems like there's going to be more divisions and more calls for some sort of a settlement. >> yeah, there is, it's starting already. but you know, this -- these european leaders also play to their domestic politics. and that's what germany and france are doing today. as long as they've got poland or belarus between them, they feel relatively secure. if you are in poland, you don't feel secure, or the baltic states, because you could be next.
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so know the u.s. has to bridge this gap, takes leadership, the kind of leadership that shown in that op-ed that just came out in "the new york times", which means the u.s. will take the lead in supplying the weapons, means the u.s. will take the lead in supporting the sanctions, it means the european leaders can lean on the united states and say, well, we didn't really want to do this, but the americans, you know these tough americans, they always -- they always want to use weapons and stuff and they get political support when they say that -- it's the old game that's been played in nato for 70 years, anderson. and it's just a question of whether this administration can continue to hold it together, i hope we can. >> general clark, appreciate your time, thank you. coming up, a verdict this afternoon in the highly charged trial linked to the trump russia probe. this one centering on the clinton campaign layer accused of lying to the fbi. what the jury decided, next.
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between then candidate donald trump and russia. this was the first case brought to trial so far by the special prosecutor john durham since he was appointed to look into the origins of the russia probe by william barr three years ago. cnn's evan perez has more. so, what is sussmann accused of doing? >> reporter: he was accused of essentially lying to the fbi during the september 2016 meeting. prosecutors made the case that this was really a plot by the hillary clinton campaign to try to get and from what you saw in the jury, reaching this verdict about 6.5 hours or so. they clearly did not believe that he lied or that the lie was materials. that was a big problem for the prosecution. >> so is the not guilty verdict,
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does that affect the future of the investigation? >> it does. it raises important questions not only for durham but the justices that overseas durham. we have one more trial. there is some important questions that's being raised for the justice department, this case was a flimsy case. this case was very thin. the question form merrick garland, is how much longer are you going to let durham doing this? >> what's the reaction to the verdict on the right? >> on the right they feel that
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durham had given them what they needed. the former president wanted people in deep states and political enemy prosecuted before the 2020 election. that did not happen and it has not happened at all yet. today you saw on the right they were celebrating and they believe what this case did was expose this supposed conspiracy. so for them, this trial served to bring that the front. the judge kept warning people that the lawyers on this case that this was not to litigate the 2016 campaign, that what it ended up doing. >> thank you. how the white house is trying to roll out a month's long inflation plan to win back the economy. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash.
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(music throughout) this week president biden's team is rolling back a month's plan to win back the economy. kaitlan collins is joining us now. the president's pledge to his words respecting the fed's
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independence. he met with janet yellen and fed chair powell, what was that about? >> the white house congratulate powell for another term. it was clearly to design to have the president showing voters that he's paying the number one economic concern which is inflation. the numbers are not only getting better but worse. if you look at new polls, it shows voters are increasingly pessimistic of the state of the economy and despite the white house talk of wage gain and unemployment rate. this is still their number one concern. the state of the economy and biden's political prospect is going to rest on the federal reserve because jay powell got this enormous task in front of him trying to tame inflation but also not sending the u.s. economy into a recession as they are trying to tamp it down. the president says this is
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largely the responsibility of the federal reserve. he believes a lot of it is out of his hands and it is going to be up to the federal reserve. i think that's why you saw the white house going out of its way to make sure president biden was saying he does respect the independence of the federal reserve and does not want to get involved like his predecessor. >> the white house calling it transitory was a mistake. it is not just president biden's top economic adviser but also janet yellen, she told wolf blitzer, she was wrong to call it transitory. that's something you heard not just from experts but repeated lid from officials here at the white house. it poses questions to the white house whether or not they did not do enough to prepare voters of the inflation numbers they are seeing. higher prices on groceries and gas. we know the president's top
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economic adviser was in the white house today. he did not call the mistake but what was happening is unexpected. >> kaitlan collins. thanks. more news ahead, we'll be right back. on most bookings. it's a bit functional. but we'll gladly be functional. so you can be free. booking.yeah one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol.
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