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tv   At This Hour With Kate Bolduan  CNN  June 2, 2022 8:00am-9:00am PDT

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hello, everyone. here's what we're watching at this hour. another mass shooting. this time in tulsa. four people dead and another community in shock. officials are holding a press conference in minutes. unprepared for a crisis, president biden says that he didn't see the baby formula shortage as serious until april. now the white house is facing new questions. a high-profile verdict, actors amber herd and johnny depp awarded damages for defaming each other, but it is a big victory for johnny depp. amber heard's attorney joins us for her first cnn interview since the verdict. thank you all so much for being here. we are standing by right now for what could be a critical update
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from tulsa police after a deadly mass shooting there at a medical complex last night. police say a gunman carrying a rifle and a handgun killed four people and injured nearly a dozen others at an orthopedic clinic and officials are saying the attack was not random and the shooter died from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. once the news conference we will, of course, be bringing that to you live. the gun violence archive says this is 209sth mass shooting in america since the murders at robb elementary in uvalde, texas, just since then. this morning we are learning more details about the investigation into uvalde as well. let's get to all of it starting in tulsa, oklahoma, lucy is standing by. what are we expecting to hear from officials when they start this news conference? >> kate, we're expecting to hear from the mayor, the police chief and officials from st. francis hospital in a few minutes. here's what we know.
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we know an ar-style rifle was used in the buffalo supermarket shooting, it was used last week at the uvalde elementary school shooting. we now know an ar-style rifle was one of the two weapons used in yesterday's shooting in tulsa, oklahoma, according to three federal sources that spoke to cnn. they've been briefed on the investigation and they have confirmed the gunman actually purchased this ar-style weapon yesterday, same day as the shooting. he had another weapon on him, it was a pistol he purchased, according to one source, on may 29th. we understand he used that pistol to take his own life. police say both weapons were fired at one point or another during yesterday's rampage. now, it's unclear whether the four people killed, five in total, including the gunman who took his own life, but it's unclear whether those four were medical staff. we might find out in just a comminutes when the hospital officials speak no officers were injured. multiple people were injured,
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however none of those injuries life threatening. this is a multistory building medical facility with hundreds or dozens of rooms, dozens of patients and people inside. witnesses describing chaos. take a listen. >> it's sad. it's so sad. i was coming to the doctor and i got my grandkids with me and this terrible scene. it's awfully. it's sad. my daughter-in-law is from buffalo, so now it's so close to home. it's not even safe if you come outside anymore. >> this really does happen. you see it on tv, but you don't think it's going to happen right in front of your eyes. this is a wake-up call for my kids, this can really happen anywhere and it's very scary. you can't even go to a school, can't go to a store, now you can't go to the doctor. >> reporter: you see it on tv and in real life. my team and i left uvalde, texas, on tuesday, arrived here yesterday to cover yet another
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mass shooting, number 233 this year alone in america. kate? >> lucy, thank you very much. as we mentioned we're going to bring you that press conference live when it begins. also as we mentioned there are new details emerging from the investigation into the elementary school massacre in texas. the mayor of uvalde is saying a negotiator tried to call the killer while he was inside the school, but that he didn't pick up his phone. "the new york times" has some heart wrenching details about the final moments of one of the teacher's killed in the attack. nick valencia is live in uvalde with more on this. what are you learning about these developments? >> reporter: good morning, kate. one of two teachers shot and killed at the rob elementary school, according to the "new york times" she was on her phone with her husband as the shooting was happening. she was inside while her husband was outside of the school and according to the "times" in that phone call she said, that she
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was dying. it's unimaginable as a husband to think about getting that phone call from your wife and not being able to go inside. he had to be restrained according to reporting by at least four officers from trying to storm inside the school because officers just weren't going in. we know that her husband is also a school resource officer, but what's unclear is whether or not he was relaying that information to the school district police chief pete arrendondo, the controversial figure who made the decision to not allow police to go in, changing the incident command from an active shooting to a barricaded subject. we are, though, getting more details about what happened on that horrific day. in the first at length interview, the mayor of uvalde here, dan mclaughlin said he was present with a negotiator at a nearby church trying to get na gunman on the phone, but he was unsuccessful. >> the only person i had communication when the negotiator was trying to get the shooter on the phone and so forth, i was in the room.
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the moment he went in that classroom they started calling. i wasn't there at the initial but at the moment he went in that classroom they were trying to get numbers and call. >> reporter: we're heading into the second weekend since the shooting and this community doesn't know what fully happened and part of that is because they're not getting answers from the police. there are still major questions that are left to be answered and what's further frustrating, not just to us, but to the community here, the texas department of public safety saying they're not answering any more questions about this investigation, referring these questions that we have to the district attorney who is also not responding. kate? >> nick, thank you very much. let's go to buffalo, new york, right now because the teenage gunman accused of killing ten people and injuring three others in the racially motivated attack at a supermarket there, he will be arraigned in court this afternoon. he's 18 years old and now facing nearly two dozen charges including first-degree murder, domestic terrorism, and hate
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crimes. police say that he targeted the supermarket there because it was in the heart of a predominantly black community in buffalo. the victims ranged in age, you see them there, from 20 to 86 years old. joining me now, senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi and jonathan, a former secret service agent. andy, start with tulsa because we are standing by for this press conference from officials right now. what is your initial take on what happened here? >> well, kate, it seems that what we're seeing in tulsa is the very unfortunately common response to a mass shooting. this is what we kind of expected to see. very rapid response by police officers who entered the building. i think the numbers we heard, it's been reported they were there within three minutes, heard where the gunfire was coming from and ran to that location. by the time they got there the
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shooter had killed himself and we had unfortunately more deaths. that's what you expect from a response to an active shooter event. it stands out quite frankly because it's so different than what we saw in uvalde. >> sadly, that is definitely the case. you're right. the fact that the law enforcement, that law enforcement is saying that shooter went in to that building, went to this floor even in that building, with a purpose, what does that mean for this investigation and what we're likely to hear then? >> hopefully law enforcement will give us a little bit of greater insight into the motive here. they obviously have a piece of information to make those statements they believe this was a targeted act of violence, so hopefully that comes out during this investigation. that rapid response by the officers in tulsa was almost --
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today training by law enforcement is a basic tenant. it's almost second nature to every officer across the country and again, that's why we -- when we look at uvalde and look at the failures that we saw in the incident command and structure, that's why that incident stands out so much. we know what best practices are and we did not see best practices in uvalde. >> it is so sad that we have such a comparison and contrast here, you know, display of contrast in just talking about which is sadly so common the police response to an active shooter all happening within one week. it feels kind of gross, but that is the reality, right. andy, let's go to uvalde now because the newest details as nick was laying them out from the mayor, first and foremost, that they -- he says there was a negotiator that was across the street from the school who unsuccessfully was trying to get in touch with the shooter. does that make sense to you? >> no, kate.
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it makes no sense whatsoever. it's a continuation of the long line of public statements that don't make any sense from uvalde. let's just break this down a little bit. if, and there was no reason to have a negotiation here, this was an active shooter event and they should have sent the tactical units in immediately, but say they wanted to establish some sort of negotiations, you have your negotiator work at the incident command location. a negotiator has to be able to talk to leadership, they have to be close to the tactical teams, they need to be where the intelligence from what's happening in that room is coming in, the 911 calls, the victims, calls to police, so why you would have some unnamed negotiator operating out of the funeral parlor across the street with the mayor, no indication that that was actually the incident command location, we don't know what law enforcement organization this supposed negotiator was even affiliated with, so it just clouds an already muddled issue even
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further. i have to say, it is suspicious that all of a sudden we're finding out about this negotiator in the aftermath of the revelation that police chief was trying to work this as a barricaded subject situation. so whether or not this was -- this is yet another piece of misinformation deliberately intended to support that narrative, i guess we'll have to see. it's misleading and, quite frankly, suspicious. >> jonathan, "the new york times," the new reporting that top county official says one of the teachers who was killed was on the phone with her husband from the classroom speaking to him in her final moments, and from this county official he says her husband, we though her husband is a school district police officer. nick valencia was laying out some of these details about what may have happened, how he may have tried to -- he had to be restrained by other officers as nick was saying, this new detail
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also, though, means i don't know what for this as andy is laying out the shifting picture of what law enforcement at the school knew in real time? >> well, kate, what we're witnessing, you know, all of these shifting narratives reinforced that there was a complete breakdown of incident response protocols from the very beginning. every decision that we see in terms of responding to a critical incident, just didn't come to fruition the way it should be. because of that apparent vacuum of leadership, of the incident commander in uvalde, the response was really predicated on individual heroic acts. we're seeing and hearing different stories of a border patrol agent who, you know, off-duty went in to go aid the evacuation of students. we're seeing that the border patrol tactical team, which eventually took the threat out, acted in really -- on their own
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because they understood that those children were at risk. all of this just shows, again, the complete breakdown of leadership and incident command to a critical incident. you know, we know that these decisions that were made by the incident commander have consequences and those consequences is the loss of life. >> jonathan, thank you. good to see you, andy. thank you very much. we have this just in to cnn, the january 6th committee is beginning to reach tout witnesses ahead of the first public hearings that are going to be scheduled into their investigation into the insurrection. cnn has learned three people close to former vice president mike pence will be among the first witnesses when hearings begin one week from today. cnn's evan perez has more live in washington. what more are you learning? >> reporter: kate, this is an important step for the committee. they have formally at least reached out to some of the witnesses that we expect. they are going to present to the public when the hearings begin next week, and this is key,
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these are key witnesses who are very close to former vice president mike pence and they played a very big role in helping him push back and frankly stand up to the former president in his efforts to overturn the election results. greg jacob is his -- was his general counsel. mark short, very close aide to the former vice president. and judge michael luttig is a giant in conservative legal -- in the legal world. he played a big role as an outside adviser essentially, helping the former vice president come up with legal arguments essentially to push back on these sort of insane memos that we know about existed behind the scenes from john eastman and the other people advising former president trump on various ways he could try to remain in office. we also know, kate, that the -- that at least informally the committee has outlined that they
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want to do a panel with former justice department officials who, similarly, stood in the way of the former president, jeffrey rosen, the acting attorney general at the time, rich donahue, who was his deputy, and richard engel, another top justice official, all people who essentially threatened to quit, to resign in mass when the president was trying to outline his efforts to use the justice department to try to support his lie that there was great fraud in this election. that panel it appears is going to be a justice department panel that is going to be some time perhaps in the middle of june. again, these hearings, what committee wants to do is tell the public, show the public some of its findings from the words, from the mouth of some of these top trump officials who stood up to the former president. kate? >> much more to come for sure. it's good to see you. thank you for bringing us that. >> you too. thanks. coming up for us, officials
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in tulsa, live pictures from tulsa, they will be holding a press conference shortly on that deadly mass shooting there overnight. we're going to bring it to you live as soon as it begins. they're moments away. also ahead, the white house is facing new questions after president biden said he did not know how serious the baby formula shortage was until april. why is that? we're going to the white house next. ( ♪ ) ♪ walking on ♪ ♪ walkiking on the moon ♪ ♪ some ♪ ♪ may say ♪ ♪ i'm wishing my days away ♪ ♪ no way ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ we got the house! you did! pods handles the driving. pack at your pace. store your things until you're ready. then we deliver to your new home - across town or across the coury.
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podsyour personal moving and storage team. let's listen in. >> we will start on this end and move this way. we will have the opportunity to ask plenty of questions. we want to have some sort of fluid questions starting from here and span this way. when we have all the speakers, we'll give their remarks. when you ask your question address it to a speaker behind me, they will come to the podium, repeat the question and reply. with that we'll get started. chief franklin is here. >> good morning. i'm chief franklin with the tulsa police department. i want to start out by saying that first off, the most accurate information, the most proper information, is going to come from one source and that's the tulsa police department.
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we at the tulsa police department, we grieve with the families after this senseless tragedy. we grieve with the coworkers, and we pray. we pray because we all need prayer. i cannot begin to thank the men and women of the tulsa police department for the immediate response that they had to the incident yesterday. our training led us to take immediate action without hesitation. that's exactly what officers do, and that's what they did in this instance. they had the right mindset framed and went in to action and did a tremendous job.
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the other first responders that came to the scene, the tulsa fire department, oklahoma highway patrol, tulsa county sheriff's office, the st. francis security team, the federal bureau of investigation, alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, united states marshal service, tribal police, and other federal and local agencies all responded and descended upon 61st and yale yesterday. this was not done -- this was a coordinated effort. it was not done haphazardly. i also have to thank the dispatchers and call takers at our 911 center that reacted as they were trained. law enforcement across the nation is dealing with increased violence among people. this is, yet, another act of
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violence upon an american city. i will say that as a tulsa police officer, we train, we train, and we train, and we train for instances such as this. i'm overwhelmed and proud of the men and women, all those that responded yesterday. now i wants to take some time and go over the timeline with you as we know it today. this information is fluid and can still change, but it is the most accurate information that we have at this point. before i do that, let me go ahead and provide the names of the victims and i will allow st. francis to elaborate more on those victims.
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we have dr. preston phillips, dr. stephanie husin, amanda green, william love, and our suspect michael lewis. on may 19th, michael lewis went into the hospital for a back surgery. the performing physician was dr. preston phillips. mr. lewis was released on 5/24, may the 24th. after release, lewis called several times over several days complaining of pain, and want
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aed additional treatment. on may 31st, dr. phillips saw mr. lewis again for additional treatment. yesterday, june the 1st, lewis called dr. phillips' office again complaining of back pain and wanting additional assistance. now we know through the help of our atf and their gun tracing that at 2:00 p.m., on june 1st, mr. lewis purchased a semiautomatic rifle from a local gun store. that semiautomatic rifle was an ar-15 style rifle. we know that mr. lewis purchased
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a semiautomatic handgun a .40 caliber smith & wesson pistol on may the 29th from a local pawn shop. i now want to go into the shooting timeline. at 4:52 p.m. on june 1st, a third party who was on a video chat, off location, with an on location doctor called 911 saying the doctor told her to call 911 saying there has been a shooting. at 4:53 p.m. we received a 911 call about a shooter in a building. we then continued to receive multiple calls that were more
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specific on a shooter being on the second floor of the natalie building on the campus of st. francis hospital. at 4:55 p.m., a person called and clarified the natalie building as the scene of the shooting. the first tulsa police officers arrived one minute later at 4:56 p.m. i want to give some context on the natalie building, the natalie building is a five-story medical office building with numerous offices, rooms, hallways, and so forth. it is an exceedingly complex environment. a tactical situation for an officer to deal with is pretty complex. officers entered the building on the first floor and made their way to the second floor based on the information they received. while on the second floor of the
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building, officers began yelling, tulsa police. this is something that we train to do. as officers were calling out tulsa police, and advancing towards a suspect location, they heard a gunshot. we believe that was the final gunshot with the suspect taking his own life. the gunshot was at 4:58 p.m., approximately 39 seconds after the first officers entered the building. as officers started clearing the building, they came across a victim that was down in the exam room. officers requested to the floor and continued searching for the suspect. this victim later died at the hospital. we found the suspect and we
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rescued a female who was hiding under a desk at the suspect's foot. she was there when the suspect took his life. she did not appear to be injured. officers rescued that victim who was hiding under a desk, but officers also located another deceased victim next to the shooting suspect. officers continued to search the building for victims or additional suspects and came across another victim that was down in an open area near a nurse's station. at this point officers began directing first responders, emsa and fire to those victims to render first aid. again this is something we work cooperatively with and we can go into what we call a hot environment with medical personnel and fire personnel and start rendering aid. in that same room, there was --
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the victim was at, officers also rescued an elderly female that was in the room. as officers continued to clear the building, they located dr. phillips, deceased, in an exam room. as officers continued to clear the building, they removed multiple witnesses and victims and escorted them from the building. as more officers arrived on scene, we began a methodical search of each floor of the five-story structure, looking for witnesses and/or victims. thus far, we have recovered 30 223 casings from the crime scene. we have also recovered seven .40 caliber casings from the crime scene. we have also found a letter on the suspect which made it clear
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that he came in with the intent to kill dr. phillips and anyone who got in his way. he blamed dr. phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery. at 5:24 p.m., we received a call from the cherokee county sheriff's office and that dispatcher told us a woman on the line, whose name they did not have, called saying that her husband had killed several people at dr. phillips' office. this would have been a half hour after the event occurred. we received two follow-up phone calls from the cherokee county sheriff's office providing clarifying information. all of this information was after the fact. once the scene was secure, the tulsa police homicide and crime
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scene detectives began working the scene. they continued work until 3:00 a.m. this morning. we have now turned that scene back over to the hospital staff at st. francis. i cannot emphasize enough that we train rigorously, over and over and over again, for not if, but when, because we have seen the violence that is taking place throughout the united states. and we would be naive not to think that that would not happen in our jurisdiction. so again, to the men and women of the tulsa police department, oklahoma highway patrol, all of the surrounding jurisdictions that descended upon the scene yesterday, i offer a heartfelt thanks and i hope that each and
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every citizen that sees an officer today, thanks an officer today. because this job is hard. it is difficult. >> thank you, chief franklin. >> hi. i had an opportunity to walk through the clinic this morning, and i did that for two reasons, one of which so that i could see it for myself, more than just the lobby which is where i was last night, but also, so that i could do one thing, which is i represent over 10,000 people that make up the st. francis health system and i prayed over each of the areas where it was clear that someone had lay, including the perpetrator.
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i, last night, sent a message to our staff and i just asked them to do two things, one of which is to -- is to ask questions, because there are a thousand questions that we're going to need to try to answer over the next couple of days, the next couple weeks, probably next couple of months, but i also asked them to acknowledge that yesterday will change st. francis and it is up to us to not allow this horrible event, this situation, we can't allow that to make us want to turn our back on the reason that we're here. we were all called in to this profession, whether you're a physician or a caregiver or a support staff, we were all called in to this profession to
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care for others and to care for our community. while it's human nature to want to turn our backs right now and want to walk away, we can't do that and we won't do that. so all i ask is, for you to just continue to support this organization and this community with your prayers. know that st. francis will be -- will come out of this even stronger still. >> i'm struggling with the right things to say in this moment and maybe that's because there's truly not anything right thing to say. there's no words that can adequately describe the emotions that we have been feeling for the last 18 hours. i'm just going to speak from my
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heart this morning, so i hope you bear with me. first, to the families of our colleagues who were killed, our hearts break for you. in addition to my administrative role as the associate chief medical officer i am a practicing emergency physician and i had lunch with dr. phillips on tuesday. we worked closely with our orthopedic team in the emergency department and i know that all of my colleagues went into medicine to help people. this was their calling, like dr. robertson said. this wasn't just a career for them. we are supposed to be the ones that are caring for others during tragedies like this. to think that our caregivers were the victims, is just incomprehensible to me. they died while serving others. they died in the line of duty. to the family of mr. love, our
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hearts break for you. i was in our emergency department last night and i saw the trauma hall lined with our trauma team, our emergency department team, staff from the or, nurses, techs, respiratory therapists, they are trained just like our police departments are. he we so wanted to be able to utilize our skills and training to save these precious lives. to the family of mr. love, i'm so sorry we couldn't save you. we are grieving with you. when i swoewoke this morning, i wanted this to be a bad dream, but this is the reality of our world right now and today our world and our st. francis family are devastated. we were just starting to process the grief and emotions being on the front lines of a pandemic had left with us, and now this
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tragedy. but i will reiterate what cliff said, our job is to help and heal, and we are here to do our job, even if it's with broken hearts. on behalf of our medical staff, i would like to thank our security team and all of the first responders who, without hesitation or fear, were on scene to do what needed to be done. in the emergency department we have a special relationship with our first responders. he we work very closely with our police department, with emsa and our other ems agencies. they are a part of the team and we work with them on a daily basis, so thank you for being here for us in our time of need. thank you for being here when we needed you. thank you for all you do to serve our community. we have all asked for prayers, and i will reiterate that.
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whatever faith you subscribe to, and even if you don't subscribe to a faith, i will tell you that a prayer is just a solemn request for help and i think we could all agree that our world needs a little bit of help right now. i want to leave you with the prayer that's been on my heart since last night. lord, i see a world that's dying. wounded by the master of deceit groped in the darkness, haunted by the years of past defeat. but then i see you standing near me, shining with compassion in your eyes. jesus shined down on us, let your love shine through us in the night. lord, we want to be your witness. you can take what's wrong and make it right. thank you.
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>> i'm j.t. bynum, the mayor of tulsa. i want to start, i think one of the really important takeaways from the very detailed that chief franklin provided us today is just how many agencies and entities have lent their expertise to this response and i want to thank a number of people who are here today to show their support for this team at st. francis. our congressman kevin hearn, thank you. sheriff vic, counselor lake and patrick and fowler, thank you. and contacted by the president's administration offering their
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support. spoken with the governor. the governor wanted me to let the team here at st. francis know he has directed that all flags in oklahoma are to be lowered to half staff for the next four nights in honor of each of these four victims. i wants to thank the first responders today. it is remarkable we can be here 17 hours after this happened and hear the breakdown from chief franklin in a detailed way of what happened. that's not just because the tulsa police department or the saint francis security team was here all by themselves. it's because there were so many law enforcement experts and first responders here, not just responding to the immediate threat, though i will never forget i spoke with an officer yesterday who was a seasoned
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veteran of the department, and he was one of the first people to get here, and he said, mayor, it was like the beaches of normandy out there. everywhere i looked to my left and right, there were officers running towards ta building, jumping over bushes. getting around anything in their way between them and that threat so that they could save people. that is the law enforcement community that we have here in tulsa. but i'm also so mindful, i went over to the family reunification center last night, and i saw experts there from the tulsa county sheriff's office and the tulsa police department and so many more, leadership from saint francis who were there bringing their expertise, assisting victims of trauma, to provide the best care that they could in the immediate aftermath of a great tragedy and i want to thank them as well.
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our focus right now is on grieving. the shooter is dead. the threat that he brought to this campus, that has been ended yesterday. but the days and weeks ahead of us, it is so important for this community to show the team here at saint francis how much we love you and i want to thank all of you for coming to work today. [ applause ] every day for years, including
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through the worst public health crisis we've ever faced as a city, you have put yourselves at risk to save the lives of people in this city, and i hope you know how much it is appreciated. how grateful this community is for you and your work and the risks that you take and never even appreciating that you could have to deal with this kind of risk and this kind of premeditated violence. and yet, you're still here ready to save more lives today. this is a remarkable group of people that work at the saint francis health system. and, so i want to ask my fellow tulsaens, in the days and weeks ahead, and that's the two things i've been asked the most in the last 17 hours, one, people
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wanting to know the details of what happened and why it happened. well, i think, thanks to the law enforcement collaborative effort, we have a very clear understanding of that at this point, but even more than that, people want to know what they can do to help. we now know who the victims are. there will be a time to memorialize them and to show our support for their families individually. but we also know that our community needs to rally around the heros who work at the saint francis health system. i speak on this as the ceo of another large organization that went through great tragedy in the last few years. i can tell you that individually, on an individual basis, when you say, we would
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really like people to donate to a fund or we want everybody in town on friday to wear pink, when there's a memorial service we want people there lined up outside, any one of those individual things can sound like it's not enough to compensate for the lost, and it's not, but i can also tell you, that when we went through the murder of sergeant johnson and the grievous injury to officer czarkashan the way this community rallied around the men and women of the tulsa police department, the way that people on this campus at saint francis health system rallied around the men and women of the police department, it meant so much to our officers and their families and everyone who loves them. the collective impact of this community, a community of such great love, that collective
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impact made a profound difference to people who are grieving and going through loss and so that's what i would ask of my fellow tullsans, if you want to help, participate in the days and weeks ahead where you can show the people at saint francis how much you love them and support them and this community is here for them. i just want to say lastly, on behalf of everyone in this community, it isn't enough to tell the team at saint francis how much we love you and how grateful we are for you, there is nothing that we can say that will make this pain go away, but
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we will be here with you to walk with you through that process every step of the way. have no doubt about that. thank you. [ inaudible ] your men and women and the other -- [ inaudible ] very reassuring after what happened at -- regarding the victims you talked about the physician the man was angry at, please tell us about the three people. sounds like another physician and perhaps two civilians [ inaudible ]. >> the question is, who the other victims were and why they were there. they were there for medical service. the doctor was there providing
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care. they stood in the way. they stood in the way and lewis gunned them down. >> so two patients and another physician [ inaudible ]. >> so there were two physicians, yes. there was a receptionist and there was a patient. >> yeah. can you tell first and last name of everyone? >> we'll send that out afterwards. >> chief, could you go through the police department's policy for dealing with an active shooter like this, you instruct your officer to go in no matter what? [ inaudible ]. >> when that call goes out, the first officers that arrive confirm that there is an active shooter in progress. we then have an activation that occurs through our 911 system
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that alerts every tulsa police department on duty and off duty. it alerts our special response team, our special operations team, it alerts all of our surrounding areas. everyone responds in mass. we know each other's tendencies through that work. so when we get that call, we are going to disregard any safety measures that we might have for ourselves and we are going to go in the building to deal with the threat. our philosophy is, we will stop the threat and we will do that by any means necessary. that's exactly what the mindset of these officers were that responded on the scene yesterday and they performed heroically in my opinion and i cannot thank enough the response not only
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from our locals, but also from the fbi, the united states marshal service, the atf, all of them responded in mass and if you were out at the scene, you saw every shoulder patch, every patch on the back of the vest from every different jurisdiction surrounding tulsa. that's how we train. we train together. we respond together. we work with saint francis security and have the director of security for saint francis is a retired tulsa police major, so we are always in constant contact and in sync with one another. this was a massive building, which is, again, what we train on. large buildings, large structures, create obstacles for our officers, between reinforced doors, between carve verness hallways, the shots echoed in
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the building, so we train to enter the building. if shots are being fired, we are to move rapidly towards those shots. if shots are not being fired, we are going to be more methodical in our approach as we look for signs and that's what these officers did. when they first entered the building, they saw broken glass. they saw shell casings. they were following those shell casings around and began yelling tulsa police, tulsa police. and it was then that they heard that final gunshot. they rapidly moved to the area where they heard the final gunshot, but again, it's a carveerness building and those shots echoed and they eventually found the shooter. >> right here. >> thank you. blayne alexander with nbc news. tell us more of what you're hearing from the witnesses.
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we're hearing reports the gunman said i'm not targeting you. i'm looking for a specific person. is that the case? you mentioned the other three in the way. is there any evidence to indicate they were standing intentionally trying to block or shield the doctor or were they or were they just in the shooter's way. >> i don't know what the witnesses are reporting as of right now. i cannot speak to that, but i do know that the suspect, when he came into the building, into that office complex, he began firing. he began firing at anyone that was in his way. there are reports that one of the victims held the door for someone who allow them to escape out of the back door and was shot and killed. >> next question. i want to ask just to clarify, amanda was the receptionist, i
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believe? >> yes. that is correct. >> reporter: the one who was taken to the hospital originally? >> yes. >> reporter: clarification on that? >> amanda was the victim, and she was the receptionist, and the other was a patient and was taken to the hospital and later died. >> reporter: and the building on that, just within more question, can you give us an update on any other victims what were wounded and may still be in care or give us information on that? >> the question is if there are any additional victims that are wounded or in care at this moment. and i don't believe that there is at this moment. so that should quash that rumor. >> reporter: can you talk about how the shooter got in the building own got to that floor? elevator, stairs? >> the question is how did the shooter get to the second floor.
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the natalie building has a parking garage attached to it with a second floor entrance. the suspect parked on the second floor of the building and entered through that second floor entryway and worked his way into the building. >> reporter: around the same time this happened, we got information about a mob threat that was tipped off. is that connected at all? >> the question is about a bomb threat that came in through the police department. that did come in. we are still working to determine exactly how that came in. we do know that there was a response toward a bomb call. i believe it was at the suspect's residence, but we are still working through that portion to determine exactly what transpired there.
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>> reporter: when we talked before, you said that -- guns -- it's been a terrible season of gun violence in tulsa. do you support even a basic red flag law, any background check, anything like that? >> the question is on gun legislation and what i support. i will tell you this. i go out, and i execute the law. there are legislators that legislate the law that create the law. and i am very -- i am more than happy to work with legislators if they want to bend my ear from a law enforcement perspective and ask what we need. i am more than willing to sit down and provide that information to the legislators. >> the question is did police
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have any history with the gunman, lewis? we are still working through that as well. he is from muskogee, so we are still working through that to determine exactly what his contact with law enforcement may have been. >> reporter: do you know which -- >> the question is which one of the victims held the door open to allow people to escape. i don't know that i have that information. i do know that the patient victim held a door closed, i believe, is the information that i have, to allow someone to escape out of another door. >> reporter: you said that the shooter wanted additional help from the surgeon. are we talking about -- did he
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want drugs? was he trying to get more medication? was this an opioid situation or do you have that information? >> the question is whether or not the victim wanted additional help in the form of drugs from the medical doctor, and that is information that what we currently know is that lewis was in pain. l lewis expressed that he was in pain and was not getting relief, and that was the circumstance surrounding this entire incident, so we will continue to develop this investigation and release information regarding more intricate details such as that. >> reporter: last night us as on the scene told us there were additional gunshot injuries, and you're specific that nobody is being treated right now, but were other people injured by gunfire during the incident?
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>> the question is were other people injured by gunshots regarding this incident? >> all the additional victims were treated and released. >> reporter: so there were additional victims, just to be clear? >> there were additional -- >> i'm sorry. there were some additional wounded patients, but that is private information, obviously, and they were treated and released from the emergency department. >> reporter: can you say how many? >> i don't have that number right now. >> reporter: from the shots or from the chaos? >> i can't -- i can't have that information right now. >> reporter: they said -- does he know what was going to happen or did you hear what happened -- >> the question is that earlier i stated that the wife of the suspect called police and relayed information to police. the information that we
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currently have is that she did not know what was going to take place, but that he contacted her either before the shooting took place or during the shooting, and to let her know what he had done. >> reporter: if there's information, where do you want people to drop -- >> the question was about community support and where would we want donations and other things left. i would say two ways. first, st. francis is a family, and we will take care of our own, but we also recognize the need both locally and quite frankly nationally, to support the victims and the families of the victims and st. francis, and
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so the tulsa community foundation has a fund that was already in existence for us, an employee assistance fund. so we'll make that link available for folks that feel the need to contribute to these families and to the organization. and we just -- that's really the only i would say official place for folks that want to -- that want to do something to care for those that have been impacted by this situation. >> reporter: can we talk about the doctor's talents, tell us who this man was? >> dr. phillips was the consummate gentleman.
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he was -- he is a man that we should all strive to emulate, and of everybody, you know, the fact that some individual would go after dr. phillips is mind blowing. he -- he's one of those folks that, you know, tends to -- his clinic cannot always be on time because he will spend every minute with patients that they need. he is one of those doctors that was cut from the cloth of four decades ago in terms of how he felt about people and how he felt about his calling, and so not only is it a shock. it is the ultimate loss for st.
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francis and tulsa. >> any questions for dr. robertson while he's here? >> reporter: doctor phillips raise any concern assessment -- a possibility of safety? >> the question was, had dr. phillips alerted anyone about his concerns or did he have concerns about his safety of this patient? not that we're aware of as of today. >> reporter: is there a policy in place if there is a patient harassing a doctor? >> so the question was is there a policy in place around patients or to react or respond to patients harassing physicians? and i would answer that, the short way to answer that is we have multiple policies and practices in place that are de


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