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then a gunman brought a semiautomatic rifle and shot and killed four people at a tulsa, oklahoma medical complex according to police. the uvalde school shooting was just nine days ago. buffalo, 19 days. tulsa is the 233rd mass shooting this year. i just want to let that number sink in for a moment. 233 mass shootings as defined as four our more victims. 233. june 2nd, that's today. it's only the 153rd day of the year. cnn's correspondent is at the white house with a preview of the president's surprise address on this uniquely american crisis. >> good evening, fellow americans. >> reporter: joe biden preparing a major address to the nation on gun violence. his second speech on the national epidemic in ten days. >> why are we willing to live with this carnage? why do we keep let thing happen? >> reporter: the nation still
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reeling from the mass shooting in uvalde, texas, that killed 19 children and two adults, shaken by another mass shooting at a hospital complex in tulsa, oklahoma yesterday that left four people dead. >> they found the first victim, then the next victim. >> reporter: biden plans to call on congress to take action, as lawmakers try to hammer out gun reforms. so far, biden wary of giving too much optimism. >> are you confident congress will take action on gun legislation, sir? >> i served in congress for 36 years. i'm never confident, totally. it depends. and i don't know, yi don't know about the negotiations going on. >> reporter: during his visit to uvalde, the president hearing pleas for change in washington.
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earlier in the month, he had traveled to buffalo, new york, the site of another mass shooting that left ten dead at a local supermarket. the shooter targeting the black community. >> i promise you, hate will not prevail and white supremacy will not have the last word. but evil did come to buffalo. it's come to all too many places, man vest in gunman who massacred innocent people. >> reporter: the white house saying additional executive actions are possible, but the urgency now lies with congress. >> the president has directed his staff to continue to explore additional actions we can take, but we can't do this alone and it's time for congress to act. >> reporter: jake, the president himself has been clear that he has not gotten involved yet in these congressional discussions on what to do about gun reform. we don't know whether he's going to have some must haves, or
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whether they're going to be red lines in this package, if one comes together. but the white house press secretary said some of these things, like banning assault weapons, that they are popular ideas, and that they should be easy. i'm willing to bet many lawmakers don't see these issues as anything but easy. >> m.j. lee at the white house, thank you so much. things didn't seem so easy on the other end of pennsylvania avenue. cnn's manu raju joins us live. where do these bipartisan talks on gun reform in the senate stand? >> reporter: they're still ongoing. there's still some optimism that there could be a deal reached, but also a reality about how difficult it will be to cut a deal with republicans. democrats are already signaling they're not going to go as far as they would like. the democrats in the senate are
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not planning to push forward with an assault weapons ban, to get rid of the ar-15s. they're discussing narrowing an expansion of background checks. they have initially exposed background checks on commercial sales, a discussion about possibly in this bipartisan negotiation, not including raising the age and purchasing those semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21 amid republican opposition. i talked to one of the leaders in the negotiations, chris murphy. he's not willing to concede that last point, that they can't raise the age, but said i'm prepared for failure. this is a negotiation that is fraught with problems, political problems. but he did express some optimism, but said that next week will be the critical week, as senators come back and discuss what they can do and see if they can get the 60 votes needed to joef come a filibuster in the senate. >> house democrats are pursuing wide ranging gun legislation
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that probably has no chance of getting the 60 votes necessary in order to bring legislation up for a vote. what are they saying about why they're doing that? >> this bill about to be approved tonight would deal with the banning high capacity magazines and raise that age from 18 to 21 of those semiautomatic rifles. but they say they are not going to wait for the senate, even as they passed two bills last year to expand background checks in the house that have not gotten action in the senate. the democrats are saying they're still moving ahead. >> why do something like this that has no chance of becoming a law? >> i dispute that. >> how do you dispute that. >> people are demanding that congress take action, and if the measure was, we're only going to put forward bills that we have confidence on, we would go home.
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our job is to respond to the urgency of this crisis. >> reporter: jake, the differing approaches will continue next week when house democrats plan to move forward with a bill to set a national law dealing with the so-called red flags. that would allow authorities to take away gun from individuals deemed as a risk. and on the senate side, they're looking at incentsentivizing st to go that route. >> manu, thank you. congressman, good to see you. so your committee is attempting to advance gun restrictions today. some of that includes raising the age to purchase a center fire rifle from 18 to 21, restricting the manufacturing of large capacity magazines, creating new federal offenses for gun trafficking and banning the sale of new bump stocks for civilian use. how will these prevent the mass
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shootings taking place across the country? >> jake, we will pass that legislation tonight. and this is broadly supported by the american people. there's no reason -- there's no good reason why we haven't done it already, other than the obstruction from my republican colleagues, and it's something that we have to move forward with. we've got to make sure that we are doing our job here in the house of representatives, even as sometimes the senate appears to not understand what its responsibility is to the american people. >> florida republican congressman greg stuby used his time during the committee to display hand guns he says would be banned by this legislation. let's take a look. >> right here in front of me, i have a sig sauer, this would be banned. this magazine would be banned. here's a gun i carry every
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single day to protect myself, my family, my wife, my home. this gun would be banned. >> is he right? would all of those hand guns and magazines be banned and if your view, should they be? >> look, we are buying high capacity magazines according to the legislation we are passing today. he appears to not have read the legislation that he was opining on. that is not a new kind of behavior from my republican colleagues. they cast any number of aspersions and make false claims to defeat in furtherance of the nra's agenda comments that would end gun violence in this country. of course, we need to go further, jake. we need to make sure we're passing legislation to ban assault weapons. there's no good reason for civilians to have weapons of war. >> when you say high capacity magazines, how many magazines is that? >> magazines to the tune of the kind that have caused so much carnage in such a short period
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of time. there is legislation underway that would do nothing to ban individuals from owning firearms, hand guns in the way that the supreme court has interpreted the second amendment to allow in a decision called d.c. v.hellor in 2008. so he's just wrong on the facting. and the other thing is, if they have a question about the constitutionality of some of this legislation, which i don't believe they do, they can litigate it in front of the supreme court. but our responsibility here in the united states house of representatives is to pass common sense legislation that we know will end gun violence in this country. jake, i was 11 years old when columbine happened. i never imagined that somehow, some day, mass shootings in this country, including at schools, would become the norm. that is unconscionable. as you mentioned earlier, it is a uniquely american problem. no other country has this problem. and we have got to solve it. i'm never going to stop fighting for new yorkers and for
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americans at large, because we do not have to live this way. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell says the actual problem causing mass shootings is mental illness and school safety. texas senator john cornyn, who is one of the leading senate negotiators in these bipartisan talks, said when it comes to making gun laws more restrike save, it's not going to happen. would you be satisfied with legislation that does not restrict gun access in any way? >> i would not be satisfied, but i would vote for anything that would have the effect of reducing gun violence in this country, even as i push to have up or down votes on everything we are considering today and more. including a ban on assault weapons. and the imposition of liability on distributors, manufacturers, and retailers that are negligently marketing their products to people who have no business possessing firearms in this country. >> congressman, thank you so much. it was one of the key lessons of columbine, police
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that was texas republican senator ted cruz at last week's nra meeting in houston. armed good guys. that isn't what happened in uvalde, texas. 19 armed police officers instead of confronting one single gunman at robb elementary school, stood outside the classroom as he killed 19 children and two teachers. even more good guys with guns stood outside the school and did not go in. law enforcement experts have called that decision a failure with catastrophic consequences, and it was hardly the first time. a parent's worst nightmare playing out in realtime. children being killed. calling 911, crying for help with the gunman just feet away. their moms and dads prevented from running in, desperately turning to the police, begging them to do something, anything. officers waiting an hour before going in. listening to the gunshots, but
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doing nothing. 19 children and two teachers, killed. >> they forgot why they put on the badge and what they were trained to do. >> but this is not the first time. last week's shooting renewed scrutiny of law enforcement's response to these mass shootings. or sometimes lack of response. >> the school resource officer was behind the stairwell wall just stand thing, with his gun drawn. >> take the 2018 shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida that left 14 students and 3 adults dead. >> he was pointing his gun at nothing, just the building. and he was just talking on the radio and he never did anything for four minutes. >> reporter: the armed deputy and school resource officer scott peterson stood outside for four minutes after hearing gunshots in the school. he never went in. >> four minutes is a lot of time for someone armed with this type of weapon, and magazines to kill
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people. and to hold and do nothing for four minutes, absent an order from the chain of command to do so, is unthinkable. >> and he was not the only one to wait. a source for coral springs police department said when their officers showed up at the scene, three broward county sheriff's duties were outside the school while the shooting was underway. then there was the 2016 pulse night sclub massacre, with 49 people killed. a federal lawsuit alleges an orlando police officer was on the scene to provide security for the club but instead abandoned his post. there by allowing the shooter to not only enter the club to scout out the area and make sure nobody could stop him. but then to leave pulse, retrieve his firearms and return to execute his sinister man to kill people. that lawsuit names more than 30 orlando police officers,
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claiming they stayed outside during the shooting or held witnesses against their will after they ran away from the scene. experts say there's no good reason why these officers should not be doing more in these situations. >> there's a general agreement in law enforcement, and there has been since columbine, that we take immediate action. >> immediate action. that was the key takeaway from analysis of the 1999 columbine high school massacre that killed 20 and stunned the world. police departments nationwide were trained on how to respond to these mass shootings. and how to intervene quickly. >> we trained our officers who respond to these situations over and over and over again. >> another point some experts argue is the police hesitation we have seen to confront a gunman armed with ar-15 style semiautomatic weapons, as proof that police unions were right in the 1990s, when they supported banning these weapons so they would not be outgunned.
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that's a ban that expired in 2004. fortunately, there have been examples of strong responses by police. such as in the 2015 shooting in san bernardino. a federal review praised law enforcement's handling of that terrorist attack there, noting in spite of the first officers on the scene being underarmed and without body armor, they channeled their training to immediately run into danger to save lives. and that "many of the decisions made by organizational leaders and steps taken by responders to prepare for and recover can set an example for other organizations." that does not seem to be an example taken by officers in uvalde, texas, despite having been trained in this. and now that community mourns, left to wonder what if police had acted sooner. >> had they gone in sooner and somebody would have taken
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in our politics s lead, the white house struggling, the white house being hit by rising inflation, baby formula shortage, ongoing pandemic. edward isaac devere writing
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today, biden can't see a way to address that while also being the looser, happier, more sympathetic, lovingly inspiring aviator wearing vanilla chip cone licking guy. he has to speak to very serious things, and you can't do that getting ice cream. let's discuss with my panel. senator, do you buy this excuse that the problem is, he can't be this lovable uncle joe and also take on these serious issues? >> no. i actually think you can't combat people's lived experiences with messaging, especially from this white house. the fact is, i do focus groups all the time, opening question, how do you think things are going in the country? the answer, left, right, center, not well, bad, inflation, things don't work as well. my flights are canceled. i can't get the things i want, the supply chain is broken. when you are up against that,
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you can't give a speech and tell people their life isn't how they're experiencing it. covid is still rampant. that's the central problem. >> and paul, the white house like every white house before it, is insistent this is just a messaging problem. it's not just a messaging problem. i mean, joe biden can go out and talk about the low unemployment rate and it's true and accurate. but at the same time, i mean, every day i come on the show and talk about how gas prices are at a new record high today. >> so you go to the doc and say my shoulder is killing me but she says yeah, but your knees are great. that's not a good doctor. i think this week they pivoted off of that. i thought the op-ed he did in "the wall street journal" was quite good. it seems to me democrats need a three-part strategy on this, which is first i feel your pain. not things are better. but yeah, by god they are terrible and i'm with you. so empathy first. and then, i can heal your pain,
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here's my plan. and also the thing he hates doing is, the other guys are going to worsen your pain. he touched on that, he said rick scott has a plan to raise taxes on 75 million working americans and sunset social security. i can run on that. but when you tell people they're wrong about how they're living their lives, they get angry. >> listen to biden talking about the problems that he says he can't fix. >> the idea we're going to be able to, you know, click a switch, bring down the cost of gasoline is not likely in the near term, nor is it with regard to food. [ inaudible question ] >> they did, but i didn't. i can't outlaw a weapon. i can't do that. >> so that's the president talking about prices too high, the baby formula shortage, and
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how he can't outlaw a weapon. it's a lot of "i can't." >> and it's a lot of, you're president of the united states, and maybe you can't do everything, but as president, you don't want to tell the american public what you can't do. you want to tell the american public what you are trying to do, and maybe it's those republicans who are keeping you from doing it. and by the way, you need to have a united party behind you, coming out and saying, this is what we are trying to do. and guess who is stopping us from doing it? this is the reason we have x, y, and z. i think the president needs to clear up his message because he has real problems. and they need to have a party that can figure out what it wants to talk about heading into the election, and how they can convince the american public that they actually have done a pretty good job. look at unemployment numbers, for example. >> one aspect that makes this
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challenging is well beyond messaging is that some of the responses, some of the solutions to these issues are hard to digest and also take a while. a good example is, when it comes to inflation or supply chain shortages, i was just on the trip to south korea and japan with the president. and he visited a samsung factory and talks about this plant is building semi conductors. i have a bill in congress that will ramp that up and that will help these economic issues you're having now. it is hard to digest that you are going across the world when they're still struggling to get baby formula back in the country. so also, when you have the president saying look, some of these responses and solutions will take a while and asking people to be patient when there's a struggle to get basic necessities, that also going to be a challenge. >> sara, there's been a discussion how the republicans don't have any better ideas or even they have worse ideas. take a listen to the economic
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adviser of the white house, jared burnstein, talking today with jim sciutto. >> you just haven't heard any cogent ideas from the other side when it comes to helping with inflation. we've seen lots of complaining and almost no policy. >> it's not an inaccurate criticism, really. but does it matter? >> no. when you're the party in power, you're the party in power. that's all that t matters. republicans know how to run this game. they want to make biden run on this record, on the high gas prices and inflation, and that may be unfair, but it is politics. >> let's talk about guns, because democrats and republicans seem to have different focuses when they try to talk about passing gun reform or doing something to help with this spate of mass shootings. take a listen to mitch mcconnell and house judiciary committee jerry nadler, a republican and
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democrat. >> discussing how we might be able to come together to target the problem, which is mental illness and school safety. >> there'smental health issues, but there are mental health issues in every country. don't tell me americans are more mentally ill than people in other countries. >> do you think the parties can come together and -- it's not fair to have them as the ones, because you just need ten republicans in the senate. >> everyone can agree to a certain extent, you want to deal with the mental illness component. but let's not overstate it. you look at studies, and it will say it's 5% to 10% of people who do mass shootings have been diagnosed with mental illness issues before hand. so they have to get to the heart of the matter, and they have to figure out, are you going to do something with universal background checks, red flag laws, whatever, to what extent. i think that's really the issue
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here, which is to what extent are republicans willing to say, we're going to do universal background checks, but they're going to be stronger than the ones republicans have signed on to in the past. otherwise, there's not going to be anything. >> you have heard democrats, including senator murphy, who is in front of this, say that they are open to some more modest changes here, as well. what will be interesting is you have now the president that's going to give this speech later on tonight. will he now come out and support for something that's more modest, maybe something more incremental if it means showing the american people that the senate is capable of change? or will he say we need strong policy change here to prevent another one of these attacks happening? those two about mutually exclusive. >> thanks for being here. the hidden way the united states is helping ukraine defend itself from russia.
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20% of the entire country of ukraine is under russian control. 20%, according to president volodymyr zelenskyy earlier today. zelenskyy says the area controlled by putin's forces is e quequivalent the area of sevel countries combined. ukrainian officials say they have no immediate plans of withdrawing troops from severodonetsk. does that mean ukraine is holding out hope of retaining control of that key city? >> reporter: i don't think it means they hope they can control it, but it certainly means that there are -- they're going to fight, street to street, to make it as painful as possible for the russians to declare a full, proper victory there. and in fact, over the past couple of minutes, president
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zelenskyy says there are ukrainian forces in severodonetsk that have had some success. that doesn't mean they're winning this, they're not. but they are really bleeding the russians in that town. it's an important town for the russians, because it's the last big city in the luhansk region. so when it finally falls, the russians can declare that as a big political win. but the more military equipment that moss tcow has to put into the less able it's able to defend other areas it's occupied in ukraine. and ukrainian forces are trying to take advantage of that. they have launched counteroffensives in the south of the country, bringing more and more villages and settlements back under ukrainian control. and pushing the russians away elsewhere. so, you know, because of this big battle that's taking place in severodonetsk, it's opened up the possibility of counteroffensives, counterattacks elsewhere. >> so russian state media
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reports more than 1.6 million people have crossed into russia from ukraine, and that includes more than 260,000 children. what do we know about these people? is that number accurate? are they going willingly? >> reporter: that's the question. look, if you speak to the russians about it, they say look, we have given sanctuary to 1.6 million people. we've saved them. we have evacuated them from this war zone and brought them to the safety of russia. and they're spinning it as a positive. of course, on the ukrainian side, it's the opposite. they're saying basically they are forcibly deporting these people to force these ukrainians to live in camps across russia, including more than 200,000 children, and president zelenskyy has been talking about this over the past couple of days how tragic it, is and awful
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it is that so many hundreds of thousand of people and children particularly are being taken out of their homeland, and resettled elsewhere in russia, as if ukraine didn't even exist. so they're trying to be made to forget about their country. and so it's one of the big tragedies of this conflict so far. enormous loss of people on the ukrainian side. you see 5 million people, some of them to russia, but 5 million people in total have left the down tr country and settled elsewhere. >> matthew chance, thank you so much. the military's hacking unit conducted cyber operations against russia in support of ukraine. that is a rare public acknowledgement. let's get right to our correspondent. alex, what exactly is offensive cyber operations? and does this cross the line in the u.s. directly engaging in
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war with russia? >> reporter: that line was very clearly lined down by president biden saying he did not want u.s. troops inside ukraine fighting russian force. are u.s. forces engaging with russian forces in cyberspace? yes, they are. the white house is arguing that does not cross the line, that does not break the pledge. but here we have a u.s. four-star jgeneral saying they have carried out offensive operations in defense of ukraine. he told sky news that these u.s. operations run the gamete. offensive, defensive, as well as information. now, we don't know what the targets are. the general almost never talks about these offensive operations, which is why we're taking note now. one major question, jake, is going to be whether these targets were inside russia, did they target russian infrastructure inside russia, which would be a very big deal, or were they going after say
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russian targets inside ukraine? communications that the russians are using, that the russian military is using? are they targeting russian soldiers with information campaigns? these are the questions that we have right now that we would likely not get very clear answers to. but it is very clear that u.s. cyber command is working hand in glove with the ukrainians both before and during this war. >> and the fbi is now warning that as this war goes on, russia could use cyber capabilities to attack the united states. >> there have been repeated warnings that russia could carry out significant cyber attacks against the united states. that for a large part has not happened. a senior u.s. defense official spoke with us and said that that could be, because they fear the repercussions and the response by the united states, that could target russia and their efforts in ukraine. but you're right, the fbi director chris wray did warn as
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this war progresses and as it goes badly for russia, that they could carry out more destructive attacks against the united states. >> alex, thanks so much. a popular podcast with past seasons on tupac, the l.a. riots, the iraq war, this time tackles the supreme court in its roe v. wade abortion rights case. i'll speak with the show's host. stay with us.
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v. wade could come at any time. so what would the united states look like if abortion was no longer considered a constitutionally protected right? well, the new season of the hit podcast "slow burn" wants to bring americans back to the days before roe. in fact, the first episode tells the story of shirley wheeler, the first woman in the u.s. to be convicted of manslaughter for receiving an abortion in 1971. >> during the time that she was in jail, the cops came into her cell, showed her pictures of a fetus, said how can you deny having an abortion? here is your baby, look at it. this is your baby. she was pretty near his tear call at that point. manslaughter in florida carries up to a 20-year penalty. >> i sat down with susan matthews earlier this week, the host of this season of the podcast "slow burn" and also the news director for slate.
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susan, thank you for joining us. i'm a huge fan of "slow burn" as you know. what made you want to start this season with the story of shirley wheeler? >> yeah, hi, thanks for having me, jake. so i heard about shirley wheeler's story very briefly. i had read about it on wikipedia in and so when i started looking into it, i learned so much more about her that made me want to start the season with her story. one of those things is that she had a really hard life leading up to what happened with this prosecution. she had a baby and she had health problems afterwards which is why she couldn't continue with the pregnancy, but the other thing i learned about shirley that made me compelled by her story is that even after all those things happened to her, she refused to tell. she didn't cooperate with the cops. wouldn't tell them who had given her the abortion and i thought that was strong and powerful. >> so the podcast take us back
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the pre roe v. wade america. to a time where you describe what women and girls went through in the 1960s to get an abortion in states where it was illegal. take a listen. >> pat had been referred to a nurse who performed the procedure in a dark apartment. as far as pat knew, the woman put a clamp on her uterus. she was then sent home to miscarry. >> i went to the bathroom, you know, bleeding and the embryo expelled some way. certainly hadn't told my father who i was living with and having to be really quiet about the pain i was experiencing. >> it's really quite riveting and horrifying, women going through this and having to keep quiet about their pain in their own home. >> yeah. i think one of the things that really struck me about this is that normally when you go to a hospital and get a medical
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procedure, you're told what to expect, to call if anything unusual happens. this is what happened with shirley, too. after they went through the procedure, they had abnormal amounts of bleeding. that's how so many women died, by bleeding out. it was up to them to decide when to risk going to the hospital and you have to think if you're going to get in trouble for doing that. which is really scary to think about. >> this is one of the arguments that abortion rights advocates make that banning abortion doesn't end abortion, it just drives women and girls to places that are less safe and conditions that are dangerous. and it wasn't just women who had to get abortions. secret abortion providers were terrified of getting caught. >> abortion providers took all kinds of precautions to protect themselves from arrest and prosecution. often, patients wouldn't know their names or even see them. women would be told to wait on a street corner to be picked up and then be blindfolded once they got in the car.
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>> so when you look at the laws that are being passed in oklahoma, in mississippi, in texas, and elsewhere, do you think that the past is prologued? that this is what is going to happen? >> i think there are some important differences we need to acknowledge and one of those is medication abortion, which women didn't have access to in this time. but i also think there are a lot of similarities. when you think about medication abortion, you have to have the knowledge to know how to find that. in so many of these stories we found, particularly with shirley, when women are young, alone, don't have income, even with the differences between then and now, you definitely see there are going to be a lot of similarities of women taking this into their own hands. trusting people they might not need to trust. i think there's a lot in this season we're going to learn from, but it's something that if
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what we expect is going to happen with the supreme court goes through, that's something we'll be talking about for months to come. >> you were working on the series before the document leaked. it was actually when amy coney barrett was confirmed and you just did the math, that you got to work, right? >> basically. i've been covering jurisprudence for a long time. we basically knew when that happened there were the votes to overturn roe so we started thinking about how we wanted to cover that. for a long time, we thought about the fact that when they did overturn roe, they weren't going to be so explicit about it. they were going to say, oh, well, we're just moving it back to 15 weeks or something like that. i think what happened with this leak, which happened in may, i mean, i wasn't expecting the leak at all. with the leak, what you really see is that they are being really explicit. in some ways, it's helped bring
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attention to this. they've talked about t it like, oh, don't worry, it will be fine. with that opinion from sam alito, he's really explicit about just how far back they want to go. so we're waiting to see what is going to happen in the final opinion. but when i saw that, i felt like, well, at least they're saying what they're doing now. i think that anyone knew votes were there to overturn roe. >> indeed. the podcast is slow burn. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. we'll be right back. how are we different? well, big wireless companies have thohousands of stores. so many stores. and those companies have to papy for them. which means you have to pay for them. but we don't have stores... this is our store. which means we can offer you a single line with unlimited data...for as low as $25 a month. sometimes a better choice is just...visible.
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